(07-04-2022 10:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 06:47 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  My assumption is that adding 3 more west coast teams only makes sense for them if Notre Dame joins too. Otherwise, just stand pat.

They've love to move down the east coast, but that doesn't seem possible right now.

If they go to 24: Add Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon and Washington. When it becomes workable financially, add Virginia, UNC, GT and Miami.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the Big Ten would get over Miami's non-AAU status to get a foothold into Florida. They could justify it by the fact that ND is already an exception and that private schools are just going to be treated differently.

They rather hsve florida State over Miami. Miami does not have the fan support when you see on tv that their stadium is half full.

Just stop. Really... Enough is enough with you.

(07-04-2022 05:37 PM)goofus Wrote:  https://thespun.com/big-ten/report-big-t...-wish-list

InsideMDSports.com's Jeff Ermann has compiled a reported "wish list" for the league.

1. Notre Dame
2. Oregon
3. Stanford
4. UNC

*Source not as confident in UNC as others.*

(07-04-2022 10:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 06:47 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  My assumption is that adding 3 more west coast teams only makes sense for them if Notre Dame joins too. Otherwise, just stand pat.

They've love to move down the east coast, but that doesn't seem possible right now.

If they go to 24: Add Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon and Washington. When it becomes workable financially, add Virginia, UNC, GT and Miami.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the Big Ten would get over Miami's non-AAU status to get a foothold into Florida. They could justify it by the fact that ND is already an exception and that private schools are just going to be treated differently.

They rather hsve florida State over Miami. Miami does not have the fan support when you see on tv that their stadium is half full.

Miami(FL) might lack in fan support, but they do not lack in donor support. That right there is the key. It's one of the few reasons why I am really bullish on the 'Canes.

My end game for the big 10 would be 32 teams. 8 team division of acc schools, 8 team division of pac 12 schools, the current 14 big 10 teams add 2 schools to the pot to create two divisions of 8. Each division would act as a league with their own tournaments for all sports but football. Football would have a 4 team playoff of division winners. The winner of that playoff would play against an sec school for a “title”

(07-04-2022 10:08 PM)superdeluxe Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 07:25 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 05:37 PM)goofus Wrote:  https://thespun.com/big-ten/report-big-t...-wish-list

InsideMDSports.com's Jeff Ermann has compiled a reported "wish list" for the league.

1. Notre Dame
2. Oregon
3. Stanford
4. UNC

The Big Ten has reportedly made a decision about further expansion as it relates to addition Pac-12 programs. No other Pac-12 members are expected to move to the Big Ten at this time. Oregon, Washington and Stanford are among the schools previously mentioned as possibilities.

Link

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo...-programs/

Not necessarily doubting they guy, but that was from four days ago..

...yeah, not to make light of it, but... here goes... I'm linked with the 'Saturday Down South' site, and they typically are a day or so behind on stuff, and usually just glomming onto rehashed stories - which I know 90% of the sites/'reporters' do anyway, but SDS seems to be in it for 'clickbait'... they always have the 'cryptic headlines'...

but I will note that the phrase "at this time" is a moving target, subject to change... at any time, mind you...

(07-05-2022 01:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 10:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 06:47 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  My assumption is that adding 3 more west coast teams only makes sense for them if Notre Dame joins too. Otherwise, just stand pat.

They've love to move down the east coast, but that doesn't seem possible right now.

If they go to 24: Add Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon and Washington. When it becomes workable financially, add Virginia, UNC, GT and Miami.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the Big Ten would get over Miami's non-AAU status to get a foothold into Florida. They could justify it by the fact that ND is already an exception and that private schools are just going to be treated differently.

They rather hsve florida State over Miami. Miami does not have the fan support when you see on tv that their stadium is half full.

Miami(FL) might lack in fan support, but they do not lack in donor support. That right there is the key. It's one of the few reasons why I am really bullish on the 'Canes.

...and Miami has that 'old Big East' vibe still, I suppose, thus is probably more of a 'fit' for the B1G than any other Florida program... FSU has only one desired landing spot, the $ec...

(07-05-2022 09:04 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 10:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 06:47 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  My assumption is that adding 3 more west coast teams only makes sense for them if Notre Dame joins too. Otherwise, just stand pat.

They've love to move down the east coast, but that doesn't seem possible right now.

If they go to 24: Add Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon and Washington. When it becomes workable financially, add Virginia, UNC, GT and Miami.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the Big Ten would get over Miami's non-AAU status to get a foothold into Florida. They could justify it by the fact that ND is already an exception and that private schools are just going to be treated differently.

They rather hsve florida State over Miami. Miami does not have the fan support when you see on tv that their stadium is half full.

Miami(FL) might lack in fan support, but they do not lack in donor support. That right there is the key. It's one of the few reasons why I am really bullish on the 'Canes.

...and Miami has that 'old Big East' vibe still, I suppose, thus is probably more of a 'fit' for the B1G than any other Florida program... FSU has only one desired landing spot, the $ec...

Having lived in Michigan for 25 years and Florida for 25 years...I do not remotely see the Canes as a good fit for the B1G (aside from the Rutgers/NJ connection). Miami is a small, private school with an off-campus stadium and the support isn't very good except when they're contending for a championship. I don't believe they've won an ACC title since joining the league...so it's been since the Big East days. Perhaps a different conference would change this, but I doubt it. It's a very good school...I just don't see the B1G being the right spot. In a perfect world for Miami...it would be part of a Northeast/New England conference. I'd bet >50% of their students and alumni are from up there or at most one generation removed. Anyway, I'd think the SEC is Miami's best option at this point, if the ACC implodes (likely). I do hope FSU and Miami land in the same league (I'm biased!).

FSU would absolutely listen closely to a B1G invite. Certainly a better fit than Miami...but still a much more natural SEC fit.

(07-05-2022 09:14 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 09:04 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 10:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 06:47 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  My assumption is that adding 3 more west coast teams only makes sense for them if Notre Dame joins too. Otherwise, just stand pat.

They've love to move down the east coast, but that doesn't seem possible right now.

If they go to 24: Add Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon and Washington. When it becomes workable financially, add Virginia, UNC, GT and Miami.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the Big Ten would get over Miami's non-AAU status to get a foothold into Florida. They could justify it by the fact that ND is already an exception and that private schools are just going to be treated differently.

They rather hsve florida State over Miami. Miami does not have the fan support when you see on tv that their stadium is half full.

Miami(FL) might lack in fan support, but they do not lack in donor support. That right there is the key. It's one of the few reasons why I am really bullish on the 'Canes.

...and Miami has that 'old Big East' vibe still, I suppose, thus is probably more of a 'fit' for the B1G than any other Florida program... FSU has only one desired landing spot, the $ec...

Having lived in Michigan for 25 years and Florida for 25 years...I do not remotely see the Canes as a good fit for the B1G (aside from the Rutgers/NJ connection). Miami is a small, private school with an off-campus stadium and the support isn't very good except when they're contending for a championship. I don't believe they've won an ACC title since joining the league...so it's been since the Big East days. Perhaps a different conference would change this, but I doubt it. It's a very good school...I just don't see the B1G being the right spot. In a perfect world for Miami...it would be part of a Northeast/New England conference. I'd bet >50% of their students and alumni are from up there or at most one generation removed. Anyway, I'd think the SEC is Miami's best option at this point, if the ACC implodes (likely). I do hope FSU and Miami land in the same league (I'm biased!).

FSU would absolutely listen closely to a B1G invite. Certainly a better fit than Miami...but still a much more natural SEC fit.

...yeah I think that is the general reason folks 'link' the U to a potential BIG invite... for some reason, I always thought that PSU and the U were big rivals in the BE, but might be wrong on that...

...and there's no doubt that FSU would be a 'get' for ANY conference - they will get the right coach soon enough and be back... but I just remember back when they were choosing a conference home, it was widely believed Bowden would push for the SEC, but they ended up in the ACC... so I guess that history skews my thoughts as well... but new century, new rules, and who knows, right?

(07-05-2022 09:04 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 10:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 06:47 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  My assumption is that adding 3 more west coast teams only makes sense for them if Notre Dame joins too. Otherwise, just stand pat.

They've love to move down the east coast, but that doesn't seem possible right now.

If they go to 24: Add Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon and Washington. When it becomes workable financially, add Virginia, UNC, GT and Miami.

The more I think about it, the more I believe the Big Ten would get over Miami's non-AAU status to get a foothold into Florida. They could justify it by the fact that ND is already an exception and that private schools are just going to be treated differently.

They rather hsve florida State over Miami. Miami does not have the fan support when you see on tv that their stadium is half full.

Miami(FL) might lack in fan support, but they do not lack in donor support. That right there is the key. It's one of the few reasons why I am really bullish on the 'Canes.

...and Miami has that 'old Big East' vibe still, I suppose, thus is probably more of a 'fit' for the B1G than any other Florida program... FSU has only one desired landing spot, the $ec...

It will be expensive for the Irish to buy their way out of the ACC. It would be more expensive, and maybe impossible, to buy out both ND and Miami. When you remember that Miami is not one of the four ACC schools with an annual SEC rivalry game, there is no reason why they couldn't agree to play ND OOC every year. They don't have to be in the Big Ten to play them.

(07-05-2022 09:31 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 09:14 AM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 09:04 AM)GreenFreakUAB Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 01:28 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 10:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  They rather hsve florida State over Miami. Miami does not have the fan support when you see on tv that their stadium is half full.

Miami(FL) might lack in fan support, but they do not lack in donor support. That right there is the key. It's one of the few reasons why I am really bullish on the 'Canes.

...and Miami has that 'old Big East' vibe still, I suppose, thus is probably more of a 'fit' for the B1G than any other Florida program... FSU has only one desired landing spot, the $ec...

Having lived in Michigan for 25 years and Florida for 25 years...I do not remotely see the Canes as a good fit for the B1G (aside from the Rutgers/NJ connection). Miami is a small, private school with an off-campus stadium and the support isn't very good except when they're contending for a championship. I don't believe they've won an ACC title since joining the league...so it's been since the Big East days. Perhaps a different conference would change this, but I doubt it. It's a very good school...I just don't see the B1G being the right spot. In a perfect world for Miami...it would be part of a Northeast/New England conference. I'd bet >50% of their students and alumni are from up there or at most one generation removed. Anyway, I'd think the SEC is Miami's best option at this point, if the ACC implodes (likely). I do hope FSU and Miami land in the same league (I'm biased!).

FSU would absolutely listen closely to a B1G invite. Certainly a better fit than Miami...but still a much more natural SEC fit.

...yeah I think that is the general reason folks 'link' the U to a potential BIG invite... for some reason, I always thought that PSU and the U were big rivals in the BE, but might be wrong on that...

...and there's no doubt that FSU would be a 'get' for ANY conference - they will get the right coach soon enough and be back... but I just remember back when they were choosing a conference home, it was widely believed Bowden would push for the SEC, but they ended up in the ACC... so I guess that history skews my thoughts as well... but new century, new rules, and who knows, right?

Regarding PSU-Miami...yeah they were never in the Big East at the same time. I believe the Nitts bolted to the B1G the same year Miami joined the BE (~1991). They did have the memorable NC game in '87 Fiesta...Canes jumped off team bus in camouflage fatigues at pre-game luncheon and didnt interact with Penn State players. Penn State went on to win the game. The 2 schools have only matched up 13 times and most of them not particularly consequental..so not much history together. Pittsburgh is a different story with the BE history and perhaps a better cultural fit from a rivalry standpoint.

(07-04-2022 05:37 PM)goofus Wrote:  https://thespun.com/big-ten/report-big-t...-wish-list

InsideMDSports.com's Jeff Ermann has compiled a reported "wish list" for the league.

1. Notre Dame
2. Oregon
3. Stanford
4. UNC

I think the viable future Big Ten options are:
Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, UNC, Duke, UVA, GT, Kansas, Mizzouri (via trade), and ND.

That's 11 teams for 8 spots.

I don’t know that the Big 10 so much had a wishlist as much as they have schools in mind they’d be willing to take in addition to ND. It’s hard to say how long that list actually is. I guess it all depends on how big they plan on going.

(07-05-2022 10:12 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 05:37 PM)goofus Wrote:  https://thespun.com/big-ten/report-big-t...-wish-list

InsideMDSports.com's Jeff Ermann has compiled a reported "wish list" for the league.

1. Notre Dame
2. Oregon
3. Stanford
4. UNC

I think the viable future Big Ten options are:
Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, UNC, Duke, UVA, GT, Kansas, Mizzouri (via trade), and ND.

That's 11 teams for 8 spots.

Curious why Kansas over CU.

Both are AAU
Both old rivals of Nebraska
Denver is a larger DMA
Colorado is a larger State

Seems if I want a midwestern filler team CU gets the nod before Kansas.

(07-05-2022 10:12 AM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 05:37 PM)goofus Wrote:  https://thespun.com/big-ten/report-big-t...-wish-list

InsideMDSports.com's Jeff Ermann has compiled a reported "wish list" for the league.

1. Notre Dame
2. Oregon
3. Stanford
4. UNC

I think the viable future Big Ten options are:
Oregon, Washington, Stanford, Cal, UNC, Duke, UVA, GT, Kansas, Mizzouri (via trade), and ND.

That's 11 teams for 8 spots.

Ok, I'll bite - Who would they trade for Missouri?