Everyone needs to chill and wait to see what happens. It doesn't seem possible that it is going to be 48. At the least it will be 64 and three conferences of 24 seems to make the most sense.

At 72, you include more than half of the D1 football programs and you get almost full coverage in major markets. Here is what it would look like if you only include the top 48 programs on paper.

It's not an exact science, everyone will have different opinions on who the last dozen or so schools are. Also, the $EC and Big Ten will stay intact. Markets are also going to be taken into account. So while Virginia Tech is a much stronger program than Georgia Tech, geography and tv market will push Georgia Tech ahead of them. Here is close to what it will look like,

16 Big Ten
16 $SEC

100%
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Pitt

That gets us to 44. Then pick among these programs to get to 48.

NC State
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona

Horrible Football
Kansas
Duke

So assume that the top 44 are a sure thing; this is how every state will be represented.

2 Alabama
0 Alaska
1 Arizona (Tempe, Phoenix)
1 Arkansas
2 California (San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento)
1 Colorado
0 Connecticut
0 Delaware
3 Florida
2 Georgia
0 Hawaii
0 Idaho
2 Illinois
3 Indiana
1 Iowa (Ames)
0 Kansas (Wichita)
1 Kentucky (Louisville)
1 Louisiana (New Orleans)
0 Maine
1 Maryland
0 Massachusetts (Boston)
2 Michigan
1 Minnesota
2 Mississippi
1 Missouri
0 Montana
1 Nebraska
0 Nevada
0 New Hampshire
1 New Jersey
0 New Mexico
0 New York (NYC)
1 North Carolina (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte)
0 North Dakota
1 Ohio
2 Oklahoma
1 Oregon
2 Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
0 Rhode Island
2 South Carolina
0 South Dakota
2 Tennessee
2 Texas (Houston, Lubbock, Dallas - Fort Worth, Waco)
1 Utah (Provo)
0 Vermont
1 Virginia
1 Washington
1 West Virginia (Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington)
1 Wisconsin
0 Wyoming

It doesn't seem possible that they will be limited to 48 schools. They are leaving out too many very good football programs and very large tv markets. Conversely, it makes no sense to have two schools in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the same in Texas, Georgia and California; and three schools in Indiana, with little or no representation in North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia.

It doesn't matter which half dozen schools anyone would swap out. At 48, it isn't enough to include nearly enough of the good programs and good tv markets. It will freeze out giant pockets of the country.

I don't know if it does grow that big. Yosef181 posted this article on the realignment board. One of the main things in the articles says:

Quote:The Big Ten appears focused on trying to lure Notre Dame into the fold right now. After that, Oregon and Washington may be of interest to the Big Ten. However, Thompson estimated that those two Pac-12 universities, along with the Oregon and Washington television markets, would only generate an additional $60 million in combined additional revenues.

It’s good money, but well shy of the $143 million breakeven for the Big Ten.

It doesn’t kill the possibility of Oregon and Washington following USC and UCLA into the conference. It just means that the Big Ten members have two options if they’re going to do it: A) Be OK with about $6 million less annually to have UO and UW in the house; or B) Welcome Oregon and Washington, but inform the newcomers that they won’t get full distributions for a while.

If those two schools aren't even potentially close to hitting breakeven, I have a tough time seeing them push to even reach 64 in the current direction of things.

I can’t see why he B1G isn’t looking at Stanford to bring in. If they are as focused on academics as they profess, Stanford and ND should be on their radar as targets. JMHO….

Bad football programs don't matter in the case of Duke, Vandy's etc... They have big time alumni giving, R1 status great tV markets & consistent sustainability

(07-04-2022 01:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Everyone needs to chill and wait to see what happens. It doesn't seem possible that it is going to be 48. At the least it will be 64 and three conferences of 24 seems to make the most sense.

At 72, you include more than half of the D1 football programs and you get almost full coverage in major markets. Here is what it would look like if you only include the top 48 programs on paper.

It's not an exact science, everyone will have different opinions on who the last dozen or so schools are. Also, the $EC and Big Ten will stay intact. Markets are also going to be taken into account. So while Virginia Tech is a much stronger program than Georgia Tech, geography and tv market will push Georgia Tech ahead of them. Here is close to what it will look like,

16 Big Ten
16 $SEC

100%
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Pitt

That gets us to 44. Then pick among these programs to get to 48.

NC State
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona

Horrible Football
Kansas
Duke

So assume that the top 44 are a sure thing; this is how every state will be represented.

2 Alabama
0 Alaska
1 Arizona (Tempe, Phoenix)
1 Arkansas
2 California (San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento)
1 Colorado
0 Connecticut
0 Delaware
3 Florida
2 Georgia
0 Hawaii
0 Idaho
2 Illinois
3 Indiana
1 Iowa (Ames)
0 Kansas (Wichita)
1 Kentucky (Louisville)
1 Louisiana (New Orleans)
0 Maine
1 Maryland
0 Massachusetts (Boston)
2 Michigan
1 Minnesota
2 Mississippi
1 Missouri
0 Montana
1 Nebraska
0 Nevada
0 New Hampshire
1 New Jersey
0 New Mexico
0 New York (NYC)
1 North Carolina (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte)
0 North Dakota
1 Ohio
2 Oklahoma
1 Oregon
2 Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
0 Rhode Island
2 South Carolina
0 South Dakota
2 Tennessee
2 Texas (Houston, Lubbock, Dallas - Fort Worth, Waco)
1 Utah (Provo)
0 Vermont
1 Virginia
1 Washington
1 West Virginia (Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington)
1 Wisconsin
0 Wyoming

It doesn't seem possible that they will be limited to 48 schools. They are leaving out too many very good football programs and very large tv markets. Conversely, it makes no sense to have two schools in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the same in Texas, Georgia and California; and three schools in Indiana, with little or no representation in North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia.

It doesn't matter which half dozen schools anyone would swap out. At 48, it isn't enough to include nearly enough of the good programs and good tv markets. It will freeze out giant pockets of the country.

(07-04-2022 05:46 PM)TigersTigers Wrote:  Bad football programs don't matter in the case of Duke, Vandy's etc... They have big time alumni giving, R1 status great tV markets & consistent sustainability

(07-04-2022 01:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Everyone needs to chill and wait to see what happens. It doesn't seem possible that it is going to be 48. At the least it will be 64 and three conferences of 24 seems to make the most sense.

At 72, you include more than half of the D1 football programs and you get almost full coverage in major markets. Here is what it would look like if you only include the top 48 programs on paper.

It's not an exact science, everyone will have different opinions on who the last dozen or so schools are. Also, the $EC and Big Ten will stay intact. Markets are also going to be taken into account. So while Virginia Tech is a much stronger program than Georgia Tech, geography and tv market will push Georgia Tech ahead of them. Here is close to what it will look like,

16 Big Ten
16 $SEC

100%
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Pitt

That gets us to 44. Then pick among these programs to get to 48.

NC State
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona

Horrible Football
Kansas
Duke

So assume that the top 44 are a sure thing; this is how every state will be represented.

2 Alabama
0 Alaska
1 Arizona (Tempe, Phoenix)
1 Arkansas
2 California (San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento)
1 Colorado
0 Connecticut
0 Delaware
3 Florida
2 Georgia
0 Hawaii
0 Idaho
2 Illinois
3 Indiana
1 Iowa (Ames)
0 Kansas (Wichita)
1 Kentucky (Louisville)
1 Louisiana (New Orleans)
0 Maine
1 Maryland
0 Massachusetts (Boston)
2 Michigan
1 Minnesota
2 Mississippi
1 Missouri
0 Montana
1 Nebraska
0 Nevada
0 New Hampshire
1 New Jersey
0 New Mexico
0 New York (NYC)
1 North Carolina (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte)
0 North Dakota
1 Ohio
2 Oklahoma
1 Oregon
2 Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
0 Rhode Island
2 South Carolina
0 South Dakota
2 Tennessee
2 Texas (Houston, Lubbock, Dallas - Fort Worth, Waco)
1 Utah (Provo)
0 Vermont
1 Virginia
1 Washington
1 West Virginia (Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington)
1 Wisconsin
0 Wyoming

It doesn't seem possible that they will be limited to 48 schools. They are leaving out too many very good football programs and very large tv markets. Conversely, it makes no sense to have two schools in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the same in Texas, Georgia and California; and three schools in Indiana, with little or no representation in North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia.

It doesn't matter which half dozen schools anyone would swap out. At 48, it isn't enough to include nearly enough of the good programs and good tv markets. It will freeze out giant pockets of the country.

They don't care just like they don't care about equity for a national tournament. The NCAA caused this by allowing elite programs to determine the future of football. The driving factor isn't athletic competition, it is greed.

Not sure about the appeal of Georgia Tech for the SEC either. I’ve always assumed they have the Georgia market sewn up with University of Georgia.

(07-04-2022 05:46 PM)TigersTigers Wrote:  Bad football programs don't matter in the case of Duke, Vandy's etc... They have big time alumni giving, R1 status great tV markets & consistent sustainability

(07-04-2022 01:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Everyone needs to chill and wait to see what happens. It doesn't seem possible that it is going to be 48. At the least it will be 64 and three conferences of 24 seems to make the most sense.

At 72, you include more than half of the D1 football programs and you get almost full coverage in major markets. Here is what it would look like if you only include the top 48 programs on paper.

It's not an exact science, everyone will have different opinions on who the last dozen or so schools are. Also, the $EC and Big Ten will stay intact. Markets are also going to be taken into account. So while Virginia Tech is a much stronger program than Georgia Tech, geography and tv market will push Georgia Tech ahead of them. Here is close to what it will look like,

16 Big Ten
16 $SEC

100%
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Pitt

That gets us to 44. Then pick among these programs to get to 48.

NC State
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona

Horrible Football
Kansas
Duke

So assume that the top 44 are a sure thing; this is how every state will be represented.

2 Alabama
0 Alaska
1 Arizona (Tempe, Phoenix)
1 Arkansas
2 California (San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento)
1 Colorado
0 Connecticut
0 Delaware
3 Florida
2 Georgia
0 Hawaii
0 Idaho
2 Illinois
3 Indiana
1 Iowa (Ames)
0 Kansas (Wichita)
1 Kentucky (Louisville)
1 Louisiana (New Orleans)
0 Maine
1 Maryland
0 Massachusetts (Boston)
2 Michigan
1 Minnesota
2 Mississippi
1 Missouri
0 Montana
1 Nebraska
0 Nevada
0 New Hampshire
1 New Jersey
0 New Mexico
0 New York (NYC)
1 North Carolina (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte)
0 North Dakota
1 Ohio
2 Oklahoma
1 Oregon
2 Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
0 Rhode Island
2 South Carolina
0 South Dakota
2 Tennessee
2 Texas (Houston, Lubbock, Dallas - Fort Worth, Waco)
1 Utah (Provo)
0 Vermont
1 Virginia
1 Washington
1 West Virginia (Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington)
1 Wisconsin
0 Wyoming

It doesn't seem possible that they will be limited to 48 schools. They are leaving out too many very good football programs and very large tv markets. Conversely, it makes no sense to have two schools in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the same in Texas, Georgia and California; and three schools in Indiana, with little or no representation in North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia.

It doesn't matter which half dozen schools anyone would swap out. At 48, it isn't enough to include nearly enough of the good programs and good tv markets. It will freeze out giant pockets of the country.

Yep, Vandy is rich…very rich. So rich that athletics is a drop in the bucket. On top of all the money they bring in by various means…..is their real estate.


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The NFL does just fine at 32. 48 minor league franchises is +16.

Think of football kind of like pro baseball

There's the NFL, the SEC & BIG10 will be like AAA, the BIG12, ACC, & PAC12 will be like AA, the G5 are like A, with FCS and below being low A / Rookie ball leagues.

So, you always want your franchise to be moving up to a higher classification.

So, effectively with what's going on the G5 is getting moved down from AA to A and the BIG12 / ACC / PAC12 is getting moved down from AAA to AA.

It's not a perfect analogy but it's not bad either....

This isn't going to happen imo, but it's fun to think about.



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(07-05-2022 08:45 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  This isn't going to happen imo, but it's fun to think about.



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we would never/ever win that division

(07-05-2022 08:11 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  The NFL does just fine at 32. 48 minor league franchises is +16.

Think of football kind of like pro baseball

There's the NFL, the SEC & BIG10 will be like AAA, the BIG12, ACC, & PAC12 will be like AA, the G5 are like A, with FCS and below being low A / Rookie ball leagues.

So, you always want your franchise to be moving up to a higher classification.

So, effectively with what's going on the G5 is getting moved down from AA to A and the BIG12 / ACC / PAC12 is getting moved down from AAA to AA.

It's not a perfect analogy but it's not bad either....

I don't see it at all. The major difference is that all of the pro leagues have teams entrenched in all of the major cities. For sure there are fans all over each state, but the fact is, that it is much different from the NFL. You don't have any good teams in more than half of the major NFL cities. New York, Chicago, Dallas, Philadelphia, Detroit, San Francisco, San Diego, Baltimore, Orlando, Saint Louis, etc.

Think of how many of our fans are saying that they won't watch and multiply that by the entire fanbase for 75 schools that won't be in if it is 48 schools. I experienced losing the Montreal Expos and gradually went from watching 60 games in person and watching a few other games during the week, to watching almost no baseball at all.

48 schools with multiple members in tiny markets that nobody cares about, with multiple big markets under represented, and very good programs left out. I don't think it is sustainable.

I also think that IF it is 48, there are going to be almost as many compelling games outside of the 48 to get great ratings and a nice big tv contract.

Keep the faith.

(07-04-2022 01:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Everyone needs to chill and wait to see what happens. It doesn't seem possible that it is going to be 48. At the least it will be 64 and three conferences of 24 seems to make the most sense.

At 72, you include more than half of the D1 football programs and you get almost full coverage in major markets. Here is what it would look like if you only include the top 48 programs on paper.

It's not an exact science, everyone will have different opinions on who the last dozen or so schools are. Also, the $EC and Big Ten will stay intact. Markets are also going to be taken into account. So while Virginia Tech is a much stronger program than Georgia Tech, geography and tv market will push Georgia Tech ahead of them. Here is close to what it will look like,

16 Big Ten
16 $SEC

100%
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Pitt

That gets us to 44. Then pick among these programs to get to 48.

NC State
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona

Horrible Football
Kansas
Duke

So assume that the top 44 are a sure thing; this is how every state will be represented.

2 Alabama
0 Alaska
1 Arizona (Tempe, Phoenix)
1 Arkansas
2 California (San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento)
1 Colorado
0 Connecticut
0 Delaware
3 Florida
2 Georgia
0 Hawaii
0 Idaho
2 Illinois
3 Indiana
1 Iowa (Ames)
0 Kansas (Wichita)
1 Kentucky (Louisville)
1 Louisiana (New Orleans)
0 Maine
1 Maryland
0 Massachusetts (Boston)
2 Michigan
1 Minnesota
2 Mississippi
1 Missouri
0 Montana
1 Nebraska
0 Nevada
0 New Hampshire
1 New Jersey
0 New Mexico
0 New York (NYC)
1 North Carolina (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte)
0 North Dakota
1 Ohio
2 Oklahoma
1 Oregon
2 Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
0 Rhode Island
2 South Carolina
0 South Dakota
2 Tennessee
2 Texas (Houston, Lubbock, Dallas - Fort Worth, Waco)
1 Utah (Provo)
0 Vermont
1 Virginia
1 Washington
1 West Virginia (Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington)
1 Wisconsin
0 Wyoming

It doesn't seem possible that they will be limited to 48 schools. They are leaving out too many very good football programs and very large tv markets. Conversely, it makes no sense to have two schools in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the same in Texas, Georgia and California; and three schools in Indiana, with little or no representation in North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia.

It doesn't matter which half dozen schools anyone would swap out. At 48, it isn't enough to include nearly enough of the good programs and good tv markets. It will freeze out giant pockets of the country.

You are missing several 100% schools and your list adds up to 46 btw. Arizona (on both your lists), Stanford, UCLA, USC and Cal are all no doubt 100%ers, as is Duke (one of the largest university brands for the entire east coast). BYU is a very likely too.

If it went to 72 there would be no chance for Memphis. We need numbers in the mid to high 80s to have a shot.

(07-05-2022 11:18 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 01:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Everyone needs to chill and wait to see what happens. It doesn't seem possible that it is going to be 48. At the least it will be 64 and three conferences of 24 seems to make the most sense.

At 72, you include more than half of the D1 football programs and you get almost full coverage in major markets. Here is what it would look like if you only include the top 48 programs on paper.

It's not an exact science, everyone will have different opinions on who the last dozen or so schools are. Also, the $EC and Big Ten will stay intact. Markets are also going to be taken into account. So while Virginia Tech is a much stronger program than Georgia Tech, geography and tv market will push Georgia Tech ahead of them. Here is close to what it will look like,

16 Big Ten
16 $SEC

100%
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Pitt

That gets us to 44. Then pick among these programs to get to 48.

NC State
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona

Horrible Football
Kansas
Duke

So assume that the top 44 are a sure thing; this is how every state will be represented.

2 Alabama
0 Alaska
1 Arizona (Tempe, Phoenix)
1 Arkansas
2 California (San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento)
1 Colorado
0 Connecticut
0 Delaware
3 Florida
2 Georgia
0 Hawaii
0 Idaho
2 Illinois
3 Indiana
1 Iowa (Ames)
0 Kansas (Wichita)
1 Kentucky (Louisville)
1 Louisiana (New Orleans)
0 Maine
1 Maryland
0 Massachusetts (Boston)
2 Michigan
1 Minnesota
2 Mississippi
1 Missouri
0 Montana
1 Nebraska
0 Nevada
0 New Hampshire
1 New Jersey
0 New Mexico
0 New York (NYC)
1 North Carolina (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte)
0 North Dakota
1 Ohio
2 Oklahoma
1 Oregon
2 Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
0 Rhode Island
2 South Carolina
0 South Dakota
2 Tennessee
2 Texas (Houston, Lubbock, Dallas - Fort Worth, Waco)
1 Utah (Provo)
0 Vermont
1 Virginia
1 Washington
1 West Virginia (Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington)
1 Wisconsin
0 Wyoming

It doesn't seem possible that they will be limited to 48 schools. They are leaving out too many very good football programs and very large tv markets. Conversely, it makes no sense to have two schools in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the same in Texas, Georgia and California; and three schools in Indiana, with little or no representation in North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia.

It doesn't matter which half dozen schools anyone would swap out. At 48, it isn't enough to include nearly enough of the good programs and good tv markets. It will freeze out giant pockets of the country.

You are missing several 100% schools and your list adds up to 46 btw. Arizona (on both your lists), Stanford, UCLA, USC and Cal are all no doubt 100%ers, as is Duke (one of the largest university brands for the entire east coast). BYU is a very likely too.

If it went to 72 there would be no chance for Memphis. We need numbers in the mid to high 80s to have a shot.

Your math sucks, not even close...and miserable AF.

(07-04-2022 06:44 PM)SouthernMSTiger Wrote:  Not sure about the appeal of Georgia Tech for the SEC either. I’ve always assumed they have the Georgia market sewn up with University of Georgia.

Agree. And I think that they are concerned.

(07-05-2022 08:11 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  The NFL does just fine at 32. 48 minor league franchises is +16.

Think of football kind of like pro baseball

There's the NFL, the SEC & BIG10 will be like AAA, the BIG12, ACC, & PAC12 will be like AA, the G5 are like A, with FCS and below being low A / Rookie ball leagues.

So, you always want your franchise to be moving up to a higher classification.

So, effectively with what's going on the G5 is getting moved down from AA to A and the BIG12 / ACC / PAC12 is getting moved down from AAA to AA.

It's not a perfect analogy but it's not bad either....

I agree, I think in the end, it will be even fewer teams. If you look at 2019 NCAA Football Attendance, there were only 20 teams that averaged over 60k in attendance. And a fairly steep drop off from number 17 to number 21.

(07-05-2022 12:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:18 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 01:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Everyone needs to chill and wait to see what happens. It doesn't seem possible that it is going to be 48. At the least it will be 64 and three conferences of 24 seems to make the most sense.

At 72, you include more than half of the D1 football programs and you get almost full coverage in major markets. Here is what it would look like if you only include the top 48 programs on paper.

It's not an exact science, everyone will have different opinions on who the last dozen or so schools are. Also, the $EC and Big Ten will stay intact. Markets are also going to be taken into account. So while Virginia Tech is a much stronger program than Georgia Tech, geography and tv market will push Georgia Tech ahead of them. Here is close to what it will look like,

16 Big Ten
16 $SEC

100%
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Pitt

That gets us to 44. Then pick among these programs to get to 48.

NC State
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona

Horrible Football
Kansas
Duke

So assume that the top 44 are a sure thing; this is how every state will be represented.

2 Alabama
0 Alaska
1 Arizona (Tempe, Phoenix)
1 Arkansas
2 California (San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento)
1 Colorado
0 Connecticut
0 Delaware
3 Florida
2 Georgia
0 Hawaii
0 Idaho
2 Illinois
3 Indiana
1 Iowa (Ames)
0 Kansas (Wichita)
1 Kentucky (Louisville)
1 Louisiana (New Orleans)
0 Maine
1 Maryland
0 Massachusetts (Boston)
2 Michigan
1 Minnesota
2 Mississippi
1 Missouri
0 Montana
1 Nebraska
0 Nevada
0 New Hampshire
1 New Jersey
0 New Mexico
0 New York (NYC)
1 North Carolina (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte)
0 North Dakota
1 Ohio
2 Oklahoma
1 Oregon
2 Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
0 Rhode Island
2 South Carolina
0 South Dakota
2 Tennessee
2 Texas (Houston, Lubbock, Dallas - Fort Worth, Waco)
1 Utah (Provo)
0 Vermont
1 Virginia
1 Washington
1 West Virginia (Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington)
1 Wisconsin
0 Wyoming

It doesn't seem possible that they will be limited to 48 schools. They are leaving out too many very good football programs and very large tv markets. Conversely, it makes no sense to have two schools in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the same in Texas, Georgia and California; and three schools in Indiana, with little or no representation in North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia.

It doesn't matter which half dozen schools anyone would swap out. At 48, it isn't enough to include nearly enough of the good programs and good tv markets. It will freeze out giant pockets of the country.

You are missing several 100% schools and your list adds up to 46 btw. Arizona (on both your lists), Stanford, UCLA, USC and Cal are all no doubt 100%ers, as is Duke (one of the largest university brands for the entire east coast). BYU is a very likely too.

If it went to 72 there would be no chance for Memphis. We need numbers in the mid to high 80s to have a shot.

Your math sucks, not even close...and miserable AF.

What? 16 Big Ten + 16 SEC + 14 schools on your 100% list = 46. Add the 4 no brainer California schools (Stanford, UCLA, USC and Cal) and you are at 50. Add Duke and BYU and you are at 52.

(07-05-2022 03:01 PM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 12:55 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 11:18 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(07-04-2022 01:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  Everyone needs to chill and wait to see what happens. It doesn't seem possible that it is going to be 48. At the least it will be 64 and three conferences of 24 seems to make the most sense.

At 72, you include more than half of the D1 football programs and you get almost full coverage in major markets. Here is what it would look like if you only include the top 48 programs on paper.

It's not an exact science, everyone will have different opinions on who the last dozen or so schools are. Also, the $EC and Big Ten will stay intact. Markets are also going to be taken into account. So while Virginia Tech is a much stronger program than Georgia Tech, geography and tv market will push Georgia Tech ahead of them. Here is close to what it will look like,

16 Big Ten
16 $SEC

100%
Clemson
Florida State
Miami
North Carolina
Virginia
Oklahoma State
Notre Dame
Oregon
Washington
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
Georgia Tech
Pitt

That gets us to 44. Then pick among these programs to get to 48.

NC State
Louisville
Cincinnati
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Baylor
TCU
BYU
Stanford
Cal
Arizona

Horrible Football
Kansas
Duke

So assume that the top 44 are a sure thing; this is how every state will be represented.

2 Alabama
0 Alaska
1 Arizona (Tempe, Phoenix)
1 Arkansas
2 California (San Diego, San Francisco, Sacramento)
1 Colorado
0 Connecticut
0 Delaware
3 Florida
2 Georgia
0 Hawaii
0 Idaho
2 Illinois
3 Indiana
1 Iowa (Ames)
0 Kansas (Wichita)
1 Kentucky (Louisville)
1 Louisiana (New Orleans)
0 Maine
1 Maryland
0 Massachusetts (Boston)
2 Michigan
1 Minnesota
2 Mississippi
1 Missouri
0 Montana
1 Nebraska
0 Nevada
0 New Hampshire
1 New Jersey
0 New Mexico
0 New York (NYC)
1 North Carolina (Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte)
0 North Dakota
1 Ohio
2 Oklahoma
1 Oregon
2 Pennsylvania (Philadelphia)
0 Rhode Island
2 South Carolina
0 South Dakota
2 Tennessee
2 Texas (Houston, Lubbock, Dallas - Fort Worth, Waco)
1 Utah (Provo)
0 Vermont
1 Virginia
1 Washington
1 West Virginia (Charleston, Morgantown, Huntington)
1 Wisconsin
0 Wyoming

It doesn't seem possible that they will be limited to 48 schools. They are leaving out too many very good football programs and very large tv markets. Conversely, it makes no sense to have two schools in Mississippi, Alabama, South Carolina, and the same in Texas, Georgia and California; and three schools in Indiana, with little or no representation in North Carolina, Arizona, and Virginia.

It doesn't matter which half dozen schools anyone would swap out. At 48, it isn't enough to include nearly enough of the good programs and good tv markets. It will freeze out giant pockets of the country.

You are missing several 100% schools and your list adds up to 46 btw. Arizona (on both your lists), Stanford, UCLA, USC and Cal are all no doubt 100%ers, as is Duke (one of the largest university brands for the entire east coast). BYU is a very likely too.

If it went to 72 there would be no chance for Memphis. We need numbers in the mid to high 80s to have a shot.

Your math sucks, not even close...and miserable AF.

What? 16 Big Ten + 16 SEC + 14 schools on your 100% list = 46. Add the 4 no brainer California schools (Stanford, UCLA, USC and Cal) and you are at 50. Add Duke and BYU and you are at 52.

72 - 52 = what?

(07-05-2022 09:22 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 08:45 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  This isn't going to happen imo, but it's fun to think about.



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we would never/ever win that division

Yeah, that's a killer for sure. Lol

(07-05-2022 09:22 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 08:45 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  This isn't going to happen imo, but it's fun to think about.



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we would never/ever win that division

Yeah, that's a killer for sure. Lol

(07-05-2022 09:22 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  

(07-05-2022 08:45 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  This isn't going to happen imo, but it's fun to think about.



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we would never/ever win that division

No, but neither will UT, Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy, Arkansas, Missouri, Kentucky, or South Carolina. Does the admin in Knoxville expect to keep 102k attendance when they are going to only average 6-7 wins a season? This whole thing is stupid.