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maybe you can get the information here

https://opendorse.com/nil-1-year/

but you have to create a login
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Guys, do you really think Memphis is going to compete with the big boys at the NIL table. I heard that the average NIL deal last year across all sports was $300-400. If you look at the deals that are happening now for football and men's basketball - millions of dollars - Memphis won't be at the top of any lists...

It doesn't matter that Memphis NIL deals for women's golf or track & field are top 20.
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(07-02-2022 05:44 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  If you’re not in the SEC or B1G it doesn’t matter anyway. Don’t know why everyone is freaking out. Our status is the same it was in 1963 when we went 9-0-1 and didn’t sniff a bowl game. Calm down. Us old folks know
The (1963 season) story that I always heard was that we were offered an invite to the Sun bowl. Spook/Memphis turned down the invite. He claimed the payout would not even cover our expenses for the bowl game.
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(07-03-2022 05:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks just realize what is happening in college FB is a consolidation for the purpose of concentrating media revenue among as few schools & conferences as possible. This ultimately means 2-3 conferences with the B1G & the SEC the big takers that will relegate the 3rd conference (& possibly a 4th) to leftover status receiving much less than the top 2. These 3 conferences will virtually consume the available media revenue & consist of 40-64 schools. Memphis is currently not one of this 40-64 schools & rather than Memphis finding a spot among those 40-64 schools, there will be current members of the P5 also relegated to our status of playing leftout games in conferences that play games with very little media revenue. This will happen even though it may play out over the next 10 yrs, give or take a few. Bleak IMO.

Yeah right now it's heading towards a worst case scenario for a lot of schools. And it looks like the better situation was that 80 team breakaway that was talked about awhile back. That has practically been derailed by OUT and USCLA moving.

(07-03-2022 08:01 AM)aardWolf Wrote:  I was talking about this paragraph:
Quote: The Tigers finished top 20 in the NCAA in total NIL compensation; average compensation per activity; and total compensation per athlete.

Yeah I saw that. I just assumed before reading it that the writer mentioned the specific breakdown.

(07-03-2022 08:11 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  this tweet has the numbers for memphis, but i have not found a list of all the schools

https://twitter.com/MemphisMaximUM/statu...53/photo/1

Thanks. I have no idea why I couldn't find this.

(07-03-2022 08:15 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  maybe you can get the information here

https://opendorse.com/nil-1-year/

but you have to create a login

I actually did before my other post. Somehow I found that link, but couldn't find the MaximUM twitter. smh

The pdf didn't have school rankings in it unfortunately. It had state and conference rankings. It also had other details so I guess what the university got is only for the schools unless you can pay for that info somehow. One neat thing is that it showed averages of pay by position for football and men's and women's basketball. Women's guards made over 2x more than Fs and Cs, while the opposite happened in Men's. And women Gs made almost 2x as much as men Gs.
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(07-03-2022 05:30 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Folks just realize what is happening in college FB is a consolidation for the purpose of concentrating media revenue among as few schools & conferences as possible. This ultimately means 2-3 conferences with the B1G & the SEC the big takers that will relegate the 3rd conference (& possibly a 4th) to leftover status receiving much less than the top 2. These 3 conferences will virtually consume the available media revenue & consist of 40-64 schools. Memphis is currently not one of this 40-64 schools & rather than Memphis finding a spot among those 40-64 schools, there will be current members of the P5 also relegated to our status of playing leftout games in conferences that play games with very little media revenue. This will happen even though it may play out over the next 10 yrs, give or take a few. Bleak IMO.

The consolidation will certainly put more of the CFB media revenue into the pockets of the schools who are generating it - in other words, more of the dollars generated by TX, OU, USC, UCLA and whoever else moves will stay in their own pockets instead of being distributed to other schools. And more games between the big boys will in theory redirect eyeballs squarely on those schools.

Certainly the media payouts for other teams will be fractions of what the P2 gets, and the gap between haves and have-nots will widen. But I don't think their media revenue will drop to nothing. The "demoted" P5 teams will be hurting big time since they will no longer share in the revenues generated by the flagship schools, but they still have significant enough fan bases to draw viewers and networks still have airtime to fill (the consolidated P2 can't play as many games as the P5). Memphis clearly has to work its way into a conference of the leftovers, because a media deal for a conference with those teams will still be much better than ones with Charlotte, FAU and Rice.
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(07-03-2022 09:33 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Guys, do you really think Memphis is going to compete with the big boys at the NIL table. I heard that the average NIL deal last year across all sports was $300-400. If you look at the deals that are happening now for football and men's basketball - millions of dollars - Memphis won't be at the top of any lists...

It doesn't matter that Memphis NIL deals for women's golf or track & field are top 20.

Seems like Memphis is competing and is in the top !0. Kick in a few bucks like the rest of us and help keep Memphis competitive. Instead of just b*tching and denigrating the program all the time.
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Will be interesting to see how Memphis athletic dept responds to this situation. If there is a plan other than "We will be a strong contender for the second class national championship" now would be a great time to discuss.

If they say anything at all it will probably be some bull**** statement that is 3-4 paragraphs of nothing ending with a request for more money.....
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Here's a list of 84 most valuable football-only brands by Zach Miller from last December. Any way you slice it, no current AAC team makes a 48 team cut:

1 Ohio State, 2 Michigan, 3 Alabama, 4 Notre Dame, 5 LSU, 6 Georgia, 7 Penn State, 8 Texas, 9 Auburn, 10 Oklahoma, 11 Florida, 12 Clemson, 13 Texas A&M, 14 Tennessee, 15 Wisconsin, 16 Nebraska, 17 Florida State, 18 Michigan State, 19 Iowa, 20 Southern Cal, 21 South Carolina, 22 Arkansas, 23 Mississippi, 24 Miami, 25 Washington, 26 Oregon, 27 UCLA, 28 Virginia Tech, 29 West Virginia, 30 Mississippi State, 31 Kentucky, 32 Oklahoma State, 33 Texas Tech, 34 Minnesota, 35 Louisville, 36 Missouri, 37 Arizona State, 38 TCU, 39 Utah, 40 Stanford, 41 North Carolina, 42 BYU, 43 Georgia Tech, 44 California, 45 Iowa State, 46 NC State, 47 Indiana, 48 Pittsburgh, 49 Baylor, 50 Kansas State, 51 Northwestern, 52 Arizona, 53 Illinois, 54 Purdue, 55 Colorado, 56 Maryland, 57 Rutgers, 58 Virginia, 59 Syracuse, 60 Kansas, 61 Oregon State, 62 UCF, 63 Boise State, 64 Washington State, 65 Houston, 66 Vanderbilt, 67 Memphis, 68 Boston College, 69 USF, 70 Army, 71 Duke, 72 East Carolina, 73 Cincinnati, 74 Navy, 75 Temple, 76 Fresno State, 77 Wake Forest, 78 Colorado State, 79 San Diego State, 80 SMU, 81 Air Force, 82 UNLV, 83 Tulane, 84 Tulsa.
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(07-03-2022 05:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-02-2022 10:30 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  
(07-02-2022 09:59 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(07-02-2022 08:57 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  I wish this thread were speculating about something positive happening. There is an element on here that just enjoys irrational doom and gloom, and I don’t understand it.

If this year Memphis football surprises some folks and wins a whole bunch of football games…

- How are you gonna feel about it?
- Will Seth Henigan be a Heisman finalist this year or next year?
- How sweet will it be to upset Houston and UCF at home?
- More conference realignment will only help Memphis move up to a better conference with more tv money.

Change your perception and remove the toxic negativity from your outlook.

Go Tigers!

Irrational doom and gloom? If you can't see that between what is going on with the SEC and the B10 and the NIL slush funds has Memphis football on the brink of becoming completely irrelevant then - you are correct, you don't understand.

from another site.....

The university published their numbers today and this is where they stand according to the NCAA rankings: Memphis is 9th in total NIL compensation. 13th in average NIL compensation per activity. 19th in total compensation per athlete.

So we can pay the athletes but can't afford an OCS? Hmmm....

we don't pay the athletes...private companies do.
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There’s going to be a lot of solid P5 programs that’s going to be left out.
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(07-04-2022 10:17 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  There’s going to be a lot of solid P5 programs that’s going to be left out.

Yes and the FBS left outs will become more or less what FCS is today. None of this happens overnight - it will play out with teams moving into the SEC and BIG10 and the college football playoff structure being altered and those 2 conferences breaking away from the NCAA over the next 8-10 years.

The new 2nd division - whatever that ultimately looks like - will slowly get left further and further behind until it essentially becomes what FCS is today. They will play for their own lower level NC and each year their best players will be bought out and move up to an SEC or BIG10 team. They will very, very rarely get a recruit that the big boys want as they simply will not be able to compete with the facilities, the NIL money, the exposure, etc no more than CUSA teams can compete with P5 for players today - they simply cannot.
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(07-04-2022 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(07-04-2022 10:17 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  There’s going to be a lot of solid P5 programs that’s going to be left out.

Yes and the FBS left outs will become more or less what FCS is today. None of this happens overnight - it will play out with teams moving into the SEC and BIG10 and the college football playoff structure being altered and those 2 conferences breaking away from the NCAA over the next 8-10 years.

The new 2nd division - whatever that ultimately looks like - will slowly get left further and further behind until it essentially becomes what FCS is today. They will play for their own lower level NC and each year their best players will be bought out and move up to an SEC or BIG10 team. They will very, very rarely get a recruit that the big boys want as they simply will not be able to compete with the facilities, the NIL money, the exposure, etc no more than CUSA teams can compete with P5 for players today - they simply cannot.

Think through this a little bit more. These two megaconferences aren't going to swallow up all 69 existing P5 schools and form two 34-35 team leagues. That goes entirely against the purpose of what's happening - the big revenue schools consolidating to generate bigger media payouts. At some number of teams - I'm guessing around 40 - any additional schools added by the B1G or SEC start to dilute media payout per school and are not worth adding.

That would leave 29 existing P5 schools (I'm including BYU, Houston, Cincy and UCF) in your 2nd division. You are still talking about combined alumni/fan bases of millions of people with deep allegiances to their schools. While games played among those teams won't match the ratings earned by the P2, there will still be enough viewers to result in meaningful media contracts. Looking over ratings from the past 4-5 years, you can find numerous games with 1 million or more viewers played between teams that will never sniff the P2...games like Washington State - Arizona (1.6M viewers in 2018) or Kansas State-TCU (2.4M in 2020) as examples. Not to mention some of our own AAC conference games which drew 2-3M viewers.

No doubt the non-P2 schools will be at a severe disadvantage in attracting the top athletes, but most of them already are which explains why they aren't major powers in football. Most of them are used to not having a realistic shot at a national championship in the 2-team or 4-team playoff of the past two decades. I don't see these developments causing their fans to just quit, and programs like West Virginia or Texas Tech playing in front of 8,000 people like FCS programs.

The P2 will be able to pull in whatever recruits they want, but there will be limitations. They can only play so many athletes, and it's hard for somebody to earn NIL money if they're never on the field or only in garbage time. Non-P2 will have playing time.
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(07-04-2022 11:54 AM)CRM114 Wrote:  
(07-04-2022 10:24 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(07-04-2022 10:17 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  There’s going to be a lot of solid P5 programs that’s going to be left out.

Yes and the FBS left outs will become more or less what FCS is today. None of this happens overnight - it will play out with teams moving into the SEC and BIG10 and the college football playoff structure being altered and those 2 conferences breaking away from the NCAA over the next 8-10 years.

The new 2nd division - whatever that ultimately looks like - will slowly get left further and further behind until it essentially becomes what FCS is today. They will play for their own lower level NC and each year their best players will be bought out and move up to an SEC or BIG10 team. They will very, very rarely get a recruit that the big boys want as they simply will not be able to compete with the facilities, the NIL money, the exposure, etc no more than CUSA teams can compete with P5 for players today - they simply cannot.

Think through this a little bit more. These two megaconferences aren't going to swallow up all 69 existing P5 schools and form two 34-35 team leagues. That goes entirely against the purpose of what's happening - the big revenue schools consolidating to generate bigger media payouts. At some number of teams - I'm guessing around 40 - any additional schools added by the B1G or SEC start to dilute media payout per school and are not worth adding.

That would leave 29 existing P5 schools (I'm including BYU, Houston, Cincy and UCF) in your 2nd division. You are still talking about combined alumni/fan bases of millions of people with deep allegiances to their schools. While games played among those teams won't match the ratings earned by the P2, there will still be enough viewers to result in meaningful media contracts. Looking over ratings from the past 4-5 years, you can find numerous games with 1 million or more viewers played between teams that will never sniff the P2...games like Washington State - Arizona (1.6M viewers in 2018) or Kansas State-TCU (2.4M in 2020) as examples. Not to mention some of our own AAC conference games which drew 2-3M viewers.

No doubt the non-P2 schools will be at a severe disadvantage in attracting the top athletes, but most of them already are which explains why they aren't major powers in football. Most of them are used to not having a realistic shot at a national championship in the 2-team or 4-team playoff of the past two decades. I don't see these developments causing their fans to just quit, and programs like West Virginia or Texas Tech playing in front of 8,000 people like FCS programs.

The P2 will be able to pull in whatever recruits they want, but there will be limitations. They can only play so many athletes, and it's hard for somebody to earn NIL money if they're never on the field or only in garbage time. Non-P2 will have playing time.

Here's what has to happen for the non SEC / BIG10 schools - I figure they will be 20-24 each so that's 40-48 schools.

(1) The SEC and BIG10 will grab who they want and the schools that eventually comprise the ACC / PAC12 / BIG12 have to hope that their champions are allowed to participate in THE national championship (12 or 16 team) with each of them taking 1 spot (3 total) and the SEC / BIG10 filling all other spots (9-13).

[These three Tier 2 conferences will probably be 12-16 schools each - so that is 36 to 48 more schools that maintain viability.]

(2) Memphis has to figure out how to get into the ACC or BIG12 or PAC12.

If that happens it might even end up being a half step up from the current AAC much less what the AAC is about to become.

IF the SEC and BIG10 completely break away and exclude all other teams and conferences from THE national championship playoff then there will not be a Tier 2 we've described it and all of the FBS left overs / left outs will devolve into what we think of today as FCS over the next 8-10 years.
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RE: If we get left out of expansion...
Since every thread these days seems to be dominated by woulda, coulda, shoulda; here is mine. I had long hoped for eight sixteen team conferences (the NCAA shoulda limited conference to 16 members). Those eight conferences plus four to eight invited teams coulda competed in a post season tournament. There then woulda been 128 teams playing D1 football with a national champion every year. If this had happened college football woulda stayed, coulda become, or shoulda been the dominate American sport.
Some of you will disparage me for this post, but is is just as relevant as saying there shoulda been an ocs.
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Everyone knows Ike has been laying low for quite awhile
However, it is now time for Ike to let all know TIGERNATION will survive.
Ike mentioned the BIG ,12 AND ACC, this was a domino effect. The Big has now triggered
Major movement. IKE's main source says three ACC members will relocate one to the BIG and two to the sec. TIGERNATION will be headed to the ACC, possibly the 12
TIGERNATION WILL BE HAPPY
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(07-04-2022 07:14 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Everyone knows Ike has been laying low for quite awhile
However, it is now time for Ike to let all know TIGERNATION will survive.
Ike mentioned the BIG ,12 AND ACC, this was a domino effect. The Big has now triggered
Major movement. IKE's main source says three ACC members will relocate one to the BIG and two to the sec. TIGERNATION will be headed to the ACC, possibly the 12
TIGERNATION WILL BE HAPPY

A source is unnecessary to reach this starling hypothesis. It’s what the majority of the speculation surmises: Notre Dame to the Big; two of the following three (FSU, Clemson, Miami) to SEC.
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(07-04-2022 07:14 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Everyone knows Ike has been laying low for quite awhile
However, it is now time for Ike to let all know TIGERNATION will survive.
Ike mentioned the BIG ,12 AND ACC, this was a domino effect. The Big has now triggered
Major movement. IKE's main source says three ACC members will relocate one to the BIG and two to the sec. TIGERNATION will be headed to the ACC, possibly the 12
TIGERNATION WILL BE HAPPY

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(07-04-2022 10:16 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(07-03-2022 05:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-02-2022 10:30 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  
(07-02-2022 09:59 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  
(07-02-2022 08:57 AM)MemphisFootballFan Wrote:  I wish this thread were speculating about something positive happening. There is an element on here that just enjoys irrational doom and gloom, and I don’t understand it.

If this year Memphis football surprises some folks and wins a whole bunch of football games…

- How are you gonna feel about it?
- Will Seth Henigan be a Heisman finalist this year or next year?
- How sweet will it be to upset Houston and UCF at home?
- More conference realignment will only help Memphis move up to a better conference with more tv money.

Change your perception and remove the toxic negativity from your outlook.

Go Tigers!

Irrational doom and gloom? If you can't see that between what is going on with the SEC and the B10 and the NIL slush funds has Memphis football on the brink of becoming completely irrelevant then - you are correct, you don't understand.

from another site.....

The university published their numbers today and this is where they stand according to the NCAA rankings: Memphis is 9th in total NIL compensation. 13th in average NIL compensation per activity. 19th in total compensation per athlete.

So we can pay the athletes but can't afford an OCS? Hmmm....

we don't pay the athletes...private companies do.

The same ones that could fund an OCS?
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(07-04-2022 08:44 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(07-03-2022 05:13 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(07-02-2022 10:30 AM)Unionman76 Wrote:  
(07-02-2022 09:59 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Irrational doom and gloom? If you can't see that between what is going on with the SEC and the B10 and the NIL slush funds has Memphis football on the brink of becoming completely irrelevant then - you are correct, you don't understand.

from another site.....

The university published their numbers today and this is where they stand according to the NCAA rankings: Memphis is 9th in total NIL compensation. 13th in average NIL compensation per activity. 19th in total compensation per athlete.

So we can pay the athletes but can't afford an OCS? Hmmm....

we don't pay the athletes...private companies do.

The same ones that could fund an OCS?

Yeah, i dont believe it.
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(07-01-2022 10:49 PM)grapes Wrote:  - How do you feel about it?
- How much do you think this will hurt Memphis?
- Can we continue to compete in football?
- Does it matter for basketball and penny?

What's everyone's emotions towards Memphis being left over scraps while we watch countless conference mates become big time?

If you aren't one of the first four in the recent expansion, you aren't in their plans at all. I don't see that changing now. The Big XII and PAC have P5 schools to choose from when they decide who is going to raid who.
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