(07-27-2022 06:21 PM)GarnetAndBlue Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 05:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Warren is not bold. They panicked during the 2020 season and everybody was pissed at him. Incompetent was a word used quite often. Now west coast expansion with two has-been programs from the worst P5 conference is bold. Wow. Some people are easily impressed.

I don't know that a big majority of B1G programs/fans are all that thrilled with the actual additions (primarily due to geographic challenges). I do think a lot of them (and even non-B1G fans) are impressed that a bold, big-brand move was actually made by the B1G and may have even caught the SEC off-guard. And hopefully indicates an even bigger move is upcoming. Second place isn't fun especially when it's due to sitting on your hands or playing small ball. With that being said, I still bet on the SEC winning the war. And they see it as such.

Well considering their last three additions USC at least must have seemed like a big WIN.

It's the ACC's turn to finally have such a move. At this point it's between Louisville and VT as being the best football expansion team of ACC's last 5 choices. Hopefully Cristobal finally gets them turned around.

In the meantime Pitt needs to continue stepping it up and it would be nice if Syracuse after finally investing more gets to at least get to upper Tier 3 in the conference if not lower Tier 2.

Especially since it is looking less and less likely the ACC can get Oregon and Washington.

Cheers,
Neil

(07-27-2022 05:28 PM)esayem Wrote:  Warren is not bold. They panicked during the 2020 season and everybody was pissed at him. Incompetent was a word used quite often. Now west coast expansion with two has-been programs from the worst P5 conference is bold. Wow. Some people are easily impressed.

Warren might be a coward but he is not afraid of backstabbing others.

Phillips should not worry about other neighborhoods when his own neighbor is in danger. I wanted him to aggressively pursue target schools.

We are also losing the PR battle. The B12 and its new commish is very public about their desire to take Pac schools. I am sure the BIG has no intent to add UO and UW at this point, but because Warren said those pacific north schols are being considered, it becomes more difficult for the ACC to poach them.

(07-21-2022 05:16 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Even today I get the impression if The ACC could get rid of football, keep the money they are getting now, and just become a basketball league they would do it.

The ACC obviously has or has had too many nostalgic leaders longing for the 8 member basketball conference with football as an afterthought.

That’s why The ACC is behind and will stay there.

I see what you mean, but since 2000 or so I don't know that it's the conference that has been doing that so much. I'd say the ACC has been typecast by its media partner. The nostalgia is in the front office at ESPN.

ESPN exec John Skipper (UNC alum), in negotiations with the ACC about launching a network, asked the conference to increase inventory by adding more... basketball games.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/coll...04627.html

ESPN thinks of the SEC as its 'football property'. ESPN thinks of the ACC as a 'basketball property that also offers some interesting football content'. These pre-determined roles have determined how ESPN hypes each league and how much it pays each of them.

You can argue that every move made by ACC leadership in the past two decades has been aimed at getting past that typecasting. ESPN has been the slow party.

Paul Finebaum slams ACC commissioner Jim Phillips in the aftermath of media days

“I talked to a few people in the industry … and I think the consensus is he’s not ready for prime time,” Finebaum said.
...
Finebaum also revealed an interesting note from Phillips’ ACC Kickoff speech. As it turns out, staffers vetted his speech and cut parts of it.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum-s...thwestern/

We will see.

Phillips may be a hypocrite but he is not dumb. It’s clear what would be the best move for the ACC in terms of money and in terms of playoff access.

(08-05-2022 11:45 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  Paul Finebaum slams ACC commissioner Jim Phillips in the aftermath of media days

“I talked to a few people in the industry … and I think the consensus is he’s not ready for prime time,” Finebaum said.
...
Finebaum also revealed an interesting note from Phillips’ ACC Kickoff speech. As it turns out, staffers vetted his speech and cut parts of it.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum-s...thwestern/

We will see.

Phillips may be a hypocrite but he is not dumb. It’s clear what would be the best move for the ACC in terms of money and in terms of playoff access.

Being criticized by Paul Finebaum isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. Just ask Dabo Swinney. Of course, that doesn't mean Phillips knows what he's doing, either.

(08-05-2022 11:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 11:45 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  Paul Finebaum slams ACC commissioner Jim Phillips in the aftermath of media days

“I talked to a few people in the industry … and I think the consensus is he’s not ready for prime time,” Finebaum said.
...
Finebaum also revealed an interesting note from Phillips’ ACC Kickoff speech. As it turns out, staffers vetted his speech and cut parts of it.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum-s...thwestern/

We will see.

Phillips may be a hypocrite but he is not dumb. It’s clear what would be the best move for the ACC in terms of money and in terms of playoff access.

Being criticized by Paul Finebaum isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. Just ask Dabo Swinney. Of course, that doesn't mean Phillips knows what he's doing, either.

Finebaum is a buzzard. He circles things that are dying, or which stink. He never made a living off of positive news. So, he smells a disaster story in Phillips.

(08-05-2022 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 11:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 11:45 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  Paul Finebaum slams ACC commissioner Jim Phillips in the aftermath of media days

“I talked to a few people in the industry … and I think the consensus is he’s not ready for prime time,” Finebaum said.
...
Finebaum also revealed an interesting note from Phillips’ ACC Kickoff speech. As it turns out, staffers vetted his speech and cut parts of it.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum-s...thwestern/

We will see.

Phillips may be a hypocrite but he is not dumb. It’s clear what would be the best move for the ACC in terms of money and in terms of playoff access.

Being criticized by Paul Finebaum isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. Just ask Dabo Swinney. Of course, that doesn't mean Phillips knows what he's doing, either.

Finebaum is a buzzard. He circles things that are dying, or which stink. He never made a living off of positive news. So, he smells a disaster story in Phillips.

In my opinion, Finebaum is a festering boil on the buttocks of college athletics. He is completely devoid of any measure of grace or collegiality and embodies everything that is wrong with sports.

(08-05-2022 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 11:54 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 11:45 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  Paul Finebaum slams ACC commissioner Jim Phillips in the aftermath of media days

“I talked to a few people in the industry … and I think the consensus is he’s not ready for prime time,” Finebaum said.
...
Finebaum also revealed an interesting note from Phillips’ ACC Kickoff speech. As it turns out, staffers vetted his speech and cut parts of it.

https://www.on3.com/news/paul-finebaum-s...thwestern/

We will see.

Phillips may be a hypocrite but he is not dumb. It’s clear what would be the best move for the ACC in terms of money and in terms of playoff access.

Being criticized by Paul Finebaum isn't necessarily a bad thing in and of itself. Just ask Dabo Swinney. Of course, that doesn't mean Phillips knows what he's doing, either.

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Finebaum is a buzzard. He circles things that are dying, or which stink. He never made a living off of positive news. So, he smells a disaster story in Phillips.

Buzzard? You are being kind.
Finebaum lives off of controversy.......if there isn't any he is liable to say almost anything to get something stirred up.
Not much going on after the excitement of the last couple of weeks.

(08-05-2022 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Finebaum is a buzzard...

You might be onto something here, JR!

(08-05-2022 12:40 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-05-2022 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Finebaum is a buzzard...

You might be onto something here, JR!

(07-27-2022 05:08 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 03:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  I hope it's not too late for the ACC because of Jim Phillips.
If he hasn't figured things out by now, he needs to ask for some help............soon, or resign and let someone else take the bull by the horns.

You know I wanted him to be aggressive and bold. Instead it was BIG’s commissioner:

Warren used some form of the word "bold" eight times on Tuesday. "Aggressive" was used three times in his address.

And am I the only one who thinks that Warren threw a jab at Phillips and his “collegiate” model by saying the following?

“We're in a time of change. I think there's two types of people in the world: They look at change as a problem, or they look at it as an opportunity. I'm one of those people that, when change occurs, I'm excited about it."

I have been saying Phillips needs to be “aggressive.” Maybe somebody up high told him something.

GREENVILLE, S.C. -- ACC commissioner Jim Phillips told ESPN on Saturday that he will meet with his league's men's basketball coaches and athletic directors as soon as the season ends to discuss ways to be more "proactive" and "aggressive" in changing the narrative surrounding the conference.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...atform=amp

It’s ok to finish last in the conference standings, but FSU, UL, ND, GT, BC were complete dog crap. That’s unacceptable, it’s not from a lack effort, most of us will get back to respectability soon. I have a feeling Phillip’s comments were slowly building by trends of past years and with UNC snubbed, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

I have noticed that in the two money sports, the playoff selection system does seem to screw over the ACC. In one “we want the best teams”, the other “we want to be more inclusive to the non power conferences”.

(03-26-2023 04:23 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  It’s ok to finish last in the conference standings, but FSU, UL, ND, GT, BC were complete dog crap. That’s unacceptable, it’s not from a lack effort, most of us will get back to respectability soon. I have a feeling Phillip’s comments were slowly building by trends of past years and with UNC snubbed, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

I have noticed that in the two money sports, the playoff selection system does seem to screw over the ACC. In one “we want the best teams”, the other “we want to be more inclusive to the non power conferences”.

My observations:

1. Clemson and NC State in particular play 1-3 piss poor ratings dog each year. It bites them in the ass every other year. Syracuse also did it this year.

CU dogs - 331, 321, 313, 269, 258, 255 before Louisville and ND that's a total of 9 sub 250 games.

NCSU dogs - 335, 325, 316, 290 before Louis and ND.

Syracuse dogs - 310, 296, 293 and 251 before ND and Louis.

That's a problem. Don't schedule sub 250 PROGRAMS.

Why do they do it? Now the meat of the problem. Distrust of ACC officiating in part of the problem. State and Clemson expect to get screwed against a top team if the game is played at home. With Syracuse I think it was Boehiem in a time warp.

2. If you look this season, many teams made hay playing and winning 75-150 games. No more than two ACC programs can really stink in a year. 5 is too many.

3. But how was UNC-Ch snubbed when Bubba was on the committee? They were not snubbed, they had quit and the committee knew that. It happens.

4. Syracuse pulled the same deal that FSU did with Bobby B. That's hurt the league's perception.

5. Some of the ACC schools are horrible at self promotion. UNC-Ch should teach an annual class in it to the rest.