(07-27-2022 01:47 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It would take all 8 leaving at the same time. Doubt that happens. Realignment happens in steady drips surrounded by long periods of nothing.

If they don't all leave at the same time then WSU and OSU become the 2012 version of USF, Uconn and UC. Same non profit entity, sweep the exit fees, keep the NCAA credits, and then backfill from downstream in the MWC, etc. .

I can also see a scenario where Washington State and Oregon State hold their nose and join the Mountain West. I wonder if SMU and Memphis would then Lobby to join also.

They would rake the pot if they stay put. Plus all the incoming schools pay to get in. They move to the MWC, they get bubkus. Nah, they would keep the accumulated NCAA credits and the PAC branding and hang out the open for business sign. They'd have plenty of suitors.

(07-27-2022 01:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:47 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It would take all 8 leaving at the same time. Doubt that happens. Realignment happens in steady drips surrounded by long periods of nothing.

If they don't all leave at the same time then WSU and OSU become the 2012 version of USF, Uconn and UC. Same non profit entity, sweep the exit fees, keep the NCAA credits, and then backfill from downstream in the MWC, etc. .

I can also see a scenario where Washington State and Oregon State hold their nose and join the Mountain West. I wonder if SMU and Memphis would then Lobby to join also.

They would rake the pot if they stay put. Plus all the incoming schools pay to get in. They move to the MWC, they get bubkus. Nah, they would keep the accumulated NCAA credits and the PAC branding and hang out the open for business sign. They'd have plenty of suitors.

Let's see UCLA and USC to the Big Ten for sure. Oregon Washington, Cal and Stanford are rumored. If that happens then Utah, Arizona State, Arizona and Colorado go to the big 12. How many votes does it take to dissolve the Pac-12? And I actually do not know.

(07-27-2022 01:46 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:05 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 12:33 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 12:20 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 12:05 PM)Comet Wrote:  Sad state of affairs PAC at that point. I wonder if there’s anyyyyyy actual shot at the ACC (which will be destroyed as well but at least not any time soon).

^ This. I think what is happening to the PAC is a roadmap for the ACC's fate.

In the end, I think a few PAC and maybe ACC programs get force to join G5 conferences and we see this....

P2

SEC & BIG10

Tweener

Big12

G5

AAC
MWC
MAC
C-USA
Sun Belt

I think PAC and ACC survive by filling the gaps or as scaled down conferences. I don't see schools like NC State, WVU, GT, etc, joining the G5. Maybe the leftovers from PAC and ACC join forces.

Washington State and Oregon State can't rebuild the PAC if the 8 leaving vote to disband the conference and save on the exit fees. I have no idea which ACC programs might get left out of the reshuffle. If there is enough to rebuild, then yeah, that's what the ACC will do. Memphis, South Florida, SMU, and maybe ECU get the call up. Maybe others too. Just guess at this point.

I think out of the PAC, WSU and OSU are left out in the G5. From the ACC, I think Clemson, FSU, UNC and UVA get picked up by the SEC or B1G. GaTech, VaTech, NC State and Miami maybe get SEC or B1G invites. UL and Pitt would fit well with the B12. BC, Syracuse and Wake are probably left out. Duke is a big question mark for me.

Seems like UNC could lobby for Duke if they go BIG. SEC couldn't care less about Duke. NC State would likely go SEC or could be left out . Wake Forest is in trouble.

(07-27-2022 02:00 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:46 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:05 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 12:33 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 12:20 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  ^ This. I think what is happening to the PAC is a roadmap for the ACC's fate.

In the end, I think a few PAC and maybe ACC programs get force to join G5 conferences and we see this....

P2

SEC & BIG10

Tweener

Big12

G5

AAC
MWC
MAC
C-USA
Sun Belt

I think PAC and ACC survive by filling the gaps or as scaled down conferences. I don't see schools like NC State, WVU, GT, etc, joining the G5. Maybe the leftovers from PAC and ACC join forces.

Washington State and Oregon State can't rebuild the PAC if the 8 leaving vote to disband the conference and save on the exit fees. I have no idea which ACC programs might get left out of the reshuffle. If there is enough to rebuild, then yeah, that's what the ACC will do. Memphis, South Florida, SMU, and maybe ECU get the call up. Maybe others too. Just guess at this point.

I think out of the PAC, WSU and OSU are left out in the G5. From the ACC, I think Clemson, FSU, UNC and UVA get picked up by the SEC or B1G. GaTech, VaTech, NC State and Miami maybe get SEC or B1G invites. UL and Pitt would fit well with the B12. BC, Syracuse and Wake are probably left out. Duke is a big question mark for me.

Seems like UNC could lobby for Duke if they go BIG. SEC couldn't care less about Duke. NC State would likely go SEC or could be left out . Wake Forest is in trouble.

I know Duke is one of the most storied schools in college basketball. But if the B1G, as an example, valued that Kansas would be in the B1G right now. Duke is a small school that's terrible in football and lost its HoF coach in basketball. I think it could very easily be relegated along with Wake Forest.

Right if Kansas could not get plucked out of a sinking ship Big 12 a few months ago then I think that doesn't bode well for Duke. These schools are very comparable.

(07-27-2022 01:54 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  There is hope in the pile of left behind NCAA credits. PAC will go the old Big East route if it gets to that point.

Agreed, the PAC isn’t going to dissolve. There is cache and money in the brand and credits and they can backfill with the best of the rest. We’ve seen that happen before recently.

(07-27-2022 02:00 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:47 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It would take all 8 leaving at the same time. Doubt that happens. Realignment happens in steady drips surrounded by long periods of nothing.

If they don't all leave at the same time then WSU and OSU become the 2012 version of USF, Uconn and UC. Same non profit entity, sweep the exit fees, keep the NCAA credits, and then backfill from downstream in the MWC, etc. .

I can also see a scenario where Washington State and Oregon State hold their nose and join the Mountain West. I wonder if SMU and Memphis would then Lobby to join also.

They would rake the pot if they stay put. Plus all the incoming schools pay to get in. They move to the MWC, they get bubkus. Nah, they would keep the accumulated NCAA credits and the PAC branding and hang out the open for business sign. They'd have plenty of suitors.

Let's see UCLA and USC to the Big Ten for sure. Oregon Washington, Cal and Stanford are rumored. If that happens then Utah, Arizona State, Arizona and Colorado go to the big 12. How many votes does it take to dissolve the Pac-12? And I actually do not know.

Once you declare you are bolting, you lose the right to vote on that going forward. So take USC and UCLA out of the 75% or greater required. If 8 of the remaining 10 all decided to jump together at once before signing deals, it could happen but the bad faith and claims of collusion, etc would almost write themselves. It would literally require 8 schools and separate conferences to all have agreements in principle at the exact same time. Wouldn't pass the smell test.

(07-27-2022 02:07 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:00 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:46 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:05 PM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 12:33 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  I think PAC and ACC survive by filling the gaps or as scaled down conferences. I don't see schools like NC State, WVU, GT, etc, joining the G5. Maybe the leftovers from PAC and ACC join forces.

Washington State and Oregon State can't rebuild the PAC if the 8 leaving vote to disband the conference and save on the exit fees. I have no idea which ACC programs might get left out of the reshuffle. If there is enough to rebuild, then yeah, that's what the ACC will do. Memphis, South Florida, SMU, and maybe ECU get the call up. Maybe others too. Just guess at this point.

I think out of the PAC, WSU and OSU are left out in the G5. From the ACC, I think Clemson, FSU, UNC and UVA get picked up by the SEC or B1G. GaTech, VaTech, NC State and Miami maybe get SEC or B1G invites. UL and Pitt would fit well with the B12. BC, Syracuse and Wake are probably left out. Duke is a big question mark for me.

Seems like UNC could lobby for Duke if they go BIG. SEC couldn't care less about Duke. NC State would likely go SEC or could be left out . Wake Forest is in trouble.

I know Duke is one of the most storied schools in college basketball. But if the B1G, as an example, valued that Kansas would be in the B1G right now. Duke is a small school that's terrible in football and lost its HoF coach in basketball. I think it could very easily be relegated along with Wake Forest.

All true statements, and I understand what the motives are, but if UNC can preserve their rivalry with Duke they will. The SEC does not care either way. If BIG wants UNC, the Heels could push for Duke too. UNC and Duke fit the academic profile of BIG. Both top universities. Kansas does not. I just don't see the two parting ways. Wake Forest is the smallest D1 school in the country with no conference mates going to bat for them. In big trouble.

(07-27-2022 02:10 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Right if Kansas could not get plucked out of a sinking ship Big 12 a few months ago then I think that doesn't bode well for Duke. These schools are very comparable.

Not sure aboui that. Kansas has average academics and no rival that is on the move. Duke fits BIG academically and is connected at the hip with UNC which could go BIG or SEC. Will this make a difference? We'll see. But I think Duke is better off than Kansas.

(07-27-2022 02:23 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:10 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Right if Kansas could not get plucked out of a sinking ship Big 12 a few months ago then I think that doesn't bode well for Duke. These schools are very comparable.

Not sure aboui that. Kansas has average academics and no rival that is on the move. Duke fits BIG academically and is connected at the hip with UNC which could go BIG or SEC. Will this make a difference? We'll see. But I think Duke is better off than Kansas.

Revenue is the bottom line. Duke doesn't bring any more than Kansas does.

(07-27-2022 02:33 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:23 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:10 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Right if Kansas could not get plucked out of a sinking ship Big 12 a few months ago then I think that doesn't bode well for Duke. These schools are very comparable.

Not sure aboui that. Kansas has average academics and no rival that is on the move. Duke fits BIG academically and is connected at the hip with UNC which could go BIG or SEC. Will this make a difference? We'll see. But I think Duke is better off than Kansas.

Revenue is the bottom line. Duke doesn't bring any more than Kansas does.

Understood about revenue, and I'm just tossing scenarios out. However, Duke's BB revenue is double Kansas, and its in one of the fastest growing markets in the country. Duke could be gambling on a UNC/Duke package. I doubt it will happen, but I could see it with BIG.

clt says go away appys!

(07-27-2022 02:33 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:23 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:10 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Right if Kansas could not get plucked out of a sinking ship Big 12 a few months ago then I think that doesn't bode well for Duke. These schools are very comparable.

Not sure aboui that. Kansas has average academics and no rival that is on the move. Duke fits BIG academically and is connected at the hip with UNC which could go BIG or SEC. Will this make a difference? We'll see. But I think Duke is better off than Kansas.

Revenue is the bottom line. Duke doesn't bring any more than Kansas does.

...Duke might pull a UCONN by going 'indy' in football and join the basketball Big East... yeah, yeah, not a Catholic School, but... something tells me they'd make an exception for the Blue Devils (which would result in 2 sets of Blue Devils/Demons in one conference... )

(07-27-2022 02:42 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:33 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:23 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:10 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Right if Kansas could not get plucked out of a sinking ship Big 12 a few months ago then I think that doesn't bode well for Duke. These schools are very comparable.

Not sure aboui that. Kansas has average academics and no rival that is on the move. Duke fits BIG academically and is connected at the hip with UNC which could go BIG or SEC. Will this make a difference? We'll see. But I think Duke is better off than Kansas.

Revenue is the bottom line. Duke doesn't bring any more than Kansas does.

Understood about revenue, and I'm just tossing scenarios out. However, Duke's BB revenue is double Kansas, and its in one of the fastest growing markets in the country. Duke could be gambling on a UNC/Duke package. I doubt it will happen, but I could see it with BIG.

I think the biggest question about Duke right now is what happens now that Coach K is gone. Even though they generated tremendous revenue under Coach K, they bring nothing to the table in football. Kansas has been the model of blue blood consistency under a number of different coaches. Maybe Duke can find that type of consistency. Maybe they don't.

(07-27-2022 10:22 AM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 08:13 AM)Psicosis Wrote:  Tulsa fans complaining about UAB or UNT is like when Seton Hall felt too good for Tulane.

(07-22-2022 08:05 PM)panicstricken Wrote:  Tiger high is going to be terrible this year

I see Larry Porter levels of futility right before the next round of getting left out again.

Oh no, if literally everything goes wrong our football program will become the equal of yours.

I feel bad for Tulsa. It's a good school whose athletic future is totally obliterated by location and Ok ST and Ok. Who can blame Panic for having a sort of Napoleonic Complex? There is a reason why they are never mentioned in realignment stuff but I hope we speak up for them tagging along if we get together an East wing of the best of the AAC and MWC. So...stop laughing at little Tulsa and just wish them the very best.

I enjoyed this post a lot. Good internet.

(07-27-2022 03:55 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:42 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:33 PM)MickMack Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:23 PM)southcharlotteapp Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 02:10 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Right if Kansas could not get plucked out of a sinking ship Big 12 a few months ago then I think that doesn't bode well for Duke. These schools are very comparable.

Not sure aboui that. Kansas has average academics and no rival that is on the move. Duke fits BIG academically and is connected at the hip with UNC which could go BIG or SEC. Will this make a difference? We'll see. But I think Duke is better off than Kansas.

Revenue is the bottom line. Duke doesn't bring any more than Kansas does.

Understood about revenue, and I'm just tossing scenarios out. However, Duke's BB revenue is double Kansas, and its in one of the fastest growing markets in the country. Duke could be gambling on a UNC/Duke package. I doubt it will happen, but I could see it with BIG.

I think the biggest question about Duke right now is what happens now that Coach K is gone. Even though they generated tremendous revenue under Coach K, they bring nothing to the table in football. Kansas has been the model of blue blood consistency under a number of different coaches. Maybe Duke can find that type of consistency. Maybe they don't.

They will still have the best team money can buy. New Jersey isn’t going to let it’s top basketball team lose a lot of steam. As someone who grew up in Acc country, I’m giddy it’s about to get wrecked.

(07-27-2022 02:00 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:47 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  

(07-27-2022 01:16 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  It would take all 8 leaving at the same time. Doubt that happens. Realignment happens in steady drips surrounded by long periods of nothing.

If they don't all leave at the same time then WSU and OSU become the 2012 version of USF, Uconn and UC. Same non profit entity, sweep the exit fees, keep the NCAA credits, and then backfill from downstream in the MWC, etc. .

I can also see a scenario where Washington State and Oregon State hold their nose and join the Mountain West. I wonder if SMU and Memphis would then Lobby to join also.

They would rake the pot if they stay put. Plus all the incoming schools pay to get in. They move to the MWC, they get bubkus. Nah, they would keep the accumulated NCAA credits and the PAC branding and hang out the open for business sign. They'd have plenty of suitors.

Let's see UCLA and USC to the Big Ten for sure. Oregon Washington, Cal and Stanford are rumored. If that happens then Utah, Arizona State, Arizona and Colorado go to the big 12. How many votes does it take to dissolve the Pac-12? And I actually do not know.

Why would they need to dissolve? The PAC is the easiest and cheapest conference to get out of.

They have no exit fee and their GOR is up in 2024.

The absolute easiest path is to simply stay 2 more seasons and then let whomever is left to have the Name and whatever cache is carries.

(07-01-2022 12:08 AM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:53 PM)Herdforlife Wrote:  Marshall fan out of place here, but had to bite.. if realignment comes to this, I’d love to see the AAC add Army and Air Force to go along with Navy. The Army Navy game has to be the biggest G5 game out there and would be a big win for a conference to claim it.

Regardless the future could go in so many different directions, but I wish everyone the best. I can understand money driving the power conferences, but I hope for the most part any other alignment keeps rivalries and geography in mind.

Army didn't want us when everyone was here. Air Force either. Not trying to be rude, but they sure as hell don't want us now.

I mean I have no real knowledge of these teams preferences, but if we are talking about scenarios of pushing independents into conferences by way of the college football playoff, what conference would be able to unite the three academies?

Army, Navy and Air Force have zero shot at P5, so what type of conference would they want to be in? 1. To be with other academies 2. Have a big footprint in Texas 3. Maybe a Colorado St travel partner for Air Force.

I think if the playoff pushed teams into conferences. I would see the AAC as the best landing spot for the academys. That would also be the best case scenario for the AAC IMO

(07-26-2022 06:43 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(07-02-2022 12:26 AM)Goronic Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 06:00 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 10:08 AM)Side.Show.Joe Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 09:59 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  you are the one that is showing a lack of understanding. This isn't about football. This is about prestige and TV $$.

The same way the AAC adds weren't about football. Every single CUSA team the AAC added has an all time losing football record. Who they added had little to do with football.

If you are employing some kind of logic for assuming a conference of mostly 2nd and lower state schools with 2 Texas privates is going to poach from a conference that is majority flagships, I fail to see it.

West coast sports don't hold the same value as other sports regions. The media payouts prove this. We will see how this plays out, but it is a fact that multiple PAC programs have reached out to apply to other conferences. The PAC is collapsing. It will probably survive, but not by poaching from the Big12. It is far more likely that the Big12 takes the mountain timezone programs (Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, & Utah).

clt advises not to engage with lowly sunbelt folks. No reason for them to be here anyway

Dude. Charlotte is getting killed in the AAC forums and getting treated, more or less, horribly. I sort of feel sorry for the hate you're getting. I though maybe you would get some humility after the roasting your getting, but then you keep throwing shade at the SBC. What is wrong with you? Seriously.

Anyway, regarding the thread question: based on the last AAC expansion they would continue with the metro principle - I would guess Georgia State and Buffalo.

Georgia State isn't paying to leave the Sun Belt and ESPN isn't paying Georgia State to leave from one ESPN conference to another. Especially as visibility remains largely unchanged and payout between new AAC schools and the new Sun Belt deal are basically the same. If Georgia State wanted out of the Sun Belt, they could've done it in 2021, undoubtedly, but they didn't make that push.

Charlie Cobb .ay be a lot of things but he's not stupid.

He is not a worker and we didnt have a President in the Summer of 2021. He was not going to recommend a move that would mean him working to raise money for facilities and working to increase the season ticket holder base. We have a new President but I fear we may be stuck with Charlie until his contract expires as we would owe him any remaining salary if we fire him.

Memphis and SMU need to call the Mountain West like yesterday,