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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
(06-28-2022 01:04 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  
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(06-28-2022 12:44 PM)Potomac Wrote:  If we ever hosted Tech, I would say it's going to be a 50/50 crowd at best. Could be a majority Tech fan turnout.

I heard when ODU hosted them a few years back (when they upset them), it was an 80/20 split in favor of tech in odu's house. ouch.

Not a chance that happens in Bridgeforth. Get a grip.

Is there an example in VA where Tech has gone on the road and didn't have a majority of the fans?

I’m not saying they won’t bring a good chunk of fans, but 50% is crazy. Especially basing our attendance scenario on the crappy FB fanbases in Charlottesville, Lynchburg & Norfolk. We are not them.

You don’t think JMU fans (who have the first shot at tickets at home) would buy up tons of tickets for a home game vs VPI&SU?

JMU fans would sell it out before it went on public sale. VT might get some thru StubHub, visitor section, and buying some season tickets. But no way they get anything approaching 50% at BFS.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
Tech would bring quite a few fans but the Hokies at BFS would still be 90+% purple. Our fans may be fickle at times but they show hard for the big events.
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If we ever hosted Tech, I would say it's going to be a 50/50 crowd at best. Could be a majority Tech fan turnout.

I heard when ODU hosted them a few years back (when they upset them), it was an 80/20 split in favor of tech in odu's house. ouch.
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You heard wrong. Was at the game and that did not remotely happen. Overwhelmingly ODU fans
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
maybe he means the JMU "fans" that wear VT stuff they bought at Walmart might accidentally show up wearing maroon instead of purple? That still doesn't add up to 50% tho
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?

If we ever hosted Tech, I would say it's going to be a 50/50 crowd at best. Could be a majority Tech fan turnout.

I heard when ODU hosted them a few years back (when they upset them), it was an 80/20 split in favor of tech in odu's house. ouch.
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You heard wrong. Was at the game and that did not remotely happen. Overwhelmingly ODU fans
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I watched a good amount of that game on TV and it didn't sound like Tech had many fans, let alone 80%...granted they didnt' have much to cheer about either.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
(06-28-2022 12:44 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 11:59 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 07:13 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  This year we may be encountering something we haven't had to deal with at Bridgeforth.
Opposing fan takeovers.
We are playing schools where those fans travel and travel well. And... travel better than us.
We need to be aware of what is coming our way. JMU fans are going to learn quickly that you cannot wait until the last minute to buy tickets.
I believe we will sell out almost every game this season. I do not believe we will get close to selling out Norfolk State.
While some may be concerned we won't sell out, you need to remember that visiting teams are actually going to sell some tickets.
Homecoming vs Marshall.... be prepared for the hardest to get tickets in JMU history. And be ready for Marshall fans to get as many tickets as they can get their hands on. We need to do our part, and I believe we will for Homecoming.
Do not wait to get tickets. The last thing I want to see in Bridgeforth is more colors from the opposing team than our own. Not saying it'll happen, just that we need to be aware it COULD happen.

Sometimes a person can overthink an issue. Nobody…no opponents fan base…will ever “takeover” BFS.

If we ever hosted Tech, I would say it's going to be a 50/50 crowd at best. Could be a majority Tech fan turnout.

I heard when ODU hosted them a few years back (when they upset them), it was an 80/20 split in favor of tech in odu's house. ouch.

03-lmfao

And pray tell us, how is VT going to get 12k+ tickets for that imagined game in BFS?

Ain’t never gonna happen.

1. 8k is set aside for JMU students (they will show up, and can’t sell student tix)

2. 7k+ will be the regular JMU Duke Club STH. You think JMU fans who hold those tickets will sell them after waiting for this opportunity? Not a chance.

3. That leaves 10k tickets for sale. VT fans may possibly get a good number of these, perhaps as many as 50% (unlikely, but possible). For argument sake using a non-scientific wild a** guess, let’s say 5k for VT fans, 5k for JMU non-ST holders.

4. That makes the crowd 20k JMU and 5k VT. 50/50? Nope. More like 80-20 (at best).

Addendum: A more realistic guesstimate might be to use the recent UVA-JMU basketball game as a general reference. A sold-out arena of 8,500 fans were in attendance…and my eyeball test tells me 8k of those fans were wearing purple. An 8k JMU/500 UVA split would be roughly a 94-6% split.

A similar split at BFS for a JMU/VT game would be roughly 24,000 JMU fans at the game vs. 1k VT fans.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
(06-28-2022 06:34 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 12:44 PM)Potomac Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 11:59 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(06-28-2022 07:13 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  This year we may be encountering something we haven't had to deal with at Bridgeforth.
Opposing fan takeovers.
We are playing schools where those fans travel and travel well. And... travel better than us.
We need to be aware of what is coming our way. JMU fans are going to learn quickly that you cannot wait until the last minute to buy tickets.
I believe we will sell out almost every game this season. I do not believe we will get close to selling out Norfolk State.
While some may be concerned we won't sell out, you need to remember that visiting teams are actually going to sell some tickets.
Homecoming vs Marshall.... be prepared for the hardest to get tickets in JMU history. And be ready for Marshall fans to get as many tickets as they can get their hands on. We need to do our part, and I believe we will for Homecoming.
Do not wait to get tickets. The last thing I want to see in Bridgeforth is more colors from the opposing team than our own. Not saying it'll happen, just that we need to be aware it COULD happen.

Sometimes a person can overthink an issue. Nobody…no opponents fan base…will ever “takeover” BFS.

If we ever hosted Tech, I would say it's going to be a 50/50 crowd at best. Could be a majority Tech fan turnout.

I heard when ODU hosted them a few years back (when they upset them), it was an 80/20 split in favor of tech in odu's house. ouch.

03-lmfao

And pray tell us, how is VT going to get 12k+ tickets for that imagined game in BFS?

Ain’t never gonna happen.

1. 8k is set aside for JMU students (they will show up, and can’t sell student tix)

2. 7k+ will be the regular JMU Duke Club STH. You think JMU fans who hold those tickets will sell them after waiting for this opportunity? Not a chance.

3. That leaves 10k tickets for sale. VT fans may possibly get a good number of these, perhaps as many as 50% (unlikely, but possible). For argument sake using a non-scientific wild a** guess, let’s say 5k for VT fans, 5k for JMU non-ST holders.

4. That makes the crowd 20k JMU and 5k VT. 50/50? Nope. More like 80-20 (at best).

Addendum: A more realistic guesstimate might be to use the recent UVA-JMU basketball game as a general reference. A sold-out arena of 8,500 fans were in attendance…and my eyeball test tells me 8k of those fans were wearing purple. An 8k JMU/500 UVA split would be roughly a 94-6% split.

A similar split at BFS for a JMU/VT game would be roughly 24,000 JMU fans at the game vs. 1k VT fans.

I'd split the difference between your two estimates, and say 2,500-3,000 sounds realistic for a hypothetical VT game. 3K fans from an opposing fanbase would be a very strong turnout given our capacity and sales.

If BFS is expanded, and we don't fill the new capacity immediately (eg: 35k), then it might be a bit different for a hypothetical VT game. Even then, a 30k JMU, 5k VT crowd seems realistic.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
(06-28-2022 03:49 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  maybe he means the JMU "fans" that wear VT stuff they bought at Walmart might accidentally show up wearing maroon instead of purple? That still doesn't add up to 50% tho

Oh we will totally have fans that will conveniently put on their Tech jersey that day.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
Lol at the notion of a “visiting fan takeover”. The only way that happens is if JMU posts a bunch of zero to 4 win seasons in a row.
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(06-29-2022 06:34 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Lol at the notion of a “visiting fan takeover”. The only way that happens is if JMU posts a bunch of zero to 4 win seasons in a row.

Agree, we have a few two win seasons and get off to another rocky start, play a good traveling team like Appy, our season ticket holders decide they'd prefer to attend the ballet and sell their game tickets, we could see a better crowd for our opponent.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
When a P5 team comes to JMU, that environment will still be 90% JMU fans. We've been waiting/dreaming of that scenario for decades.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
I'd agree it would likely go similarly to the UVA game. VT fans would want to go, but not nearly as bad as JMU fans would so there won't be a lot of tickets available to them. They'll get their hands on some, but nowhere remotely close to a takeover. Also agree there will be some JMU "fans" who wear their maroon though. I don't know if there'll be many of those though, I was a little worried about that with UVA too but it didn't happen. I know a decent amount of JMU/UVA fans that were there and every single one was all in on JMU.

I don't see a takeover ever happening, but if it does then imo it'll be App State, Marshall, or maybe ODU in a year where they're good and we're really bad while we aren't playing them on homecoming or family weekend. Coastal is obviously solid on the field, but they don't have the numbers those three do. Their attendance looked pretty sparse even at home hosting a P5. It was a weekday but still. I'm sure their support is growing quickly though so maybe they'd make the list in the future.
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(06-29-2022 09:03 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I'd agree it would likely go similarly to the UVA game. VT fans would want to go, but not nearly as bad as JMU fans would so there won't be a lot of tickets available to them. They'll get their hands on some, but nowhere remotely close to a takeover. Also agree there will be some JMU "fans" who wear their maroon though. I don't know if there'll be many of those though, I was a little worried about that with UVA too but it didn't happen. I know a decent amount of JMU/UVA fans that were there and every single one was all in on JMU.

I don't see a takeover ever happening, but if it does then imo it'll be App State, Marshall, or maybe ODU in a year where they're good and we're really bad while we aren't playing them on homecoming or family weekend. Coastal is obviously solid on the field, but they don't have the numbers those three do. Their attendance looked pretty sparse even at home hosting a P5. It was a weekday but still. I'm sure their support is growing quickly though so maybe they'd make the list in the future.

Anecdotally, I saw a few fans do silly things with mixed clothing like wear a JMU shirt and UVA cap. Or a pair attending with one supporting UVA. But, this was like 5 or 6 fans out of the entire arena. Sure, UVA had a few hundred or so in attendance, but it was a total non factor.

Even the day of the game, some were chattering nonsense about how they would "take over" AUBC. They were a bit shocked by reality.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
(06-29-2022 12:33 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  
(06-29-2022 09:03 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I'd agree it would likely go similarly to the UVA game. VT fans would want to go, but not nearly as bad as JMU fans would so there won't be a lot of tickets available to them. They'll get their hands on some, but nowhere remotely close to a takeover. Also agree there will be some JMU "fans" who wear their maroon though. I don't know if there'll be many of those though, I was a little worried about that with UVA too but it didn't happen. I know a decent amount of JMU/UVA fans that were there and every single one was all in on JMU.

I don't see a takeover ever happening, but if it does then imo it'll be App State, Marshall, or maybe ODU in a year where they're good and we're really bad while we aren't playing them on homecoming or family weekend. Coastal is obviously solid on the field, but they don't have the numbers those three do. Their attendance looked pretty sparse even at home hosting a P5. It was a weekday but still. I'm sure their support is growing quickly though so maybe they'd make the list in the future.

Anecdotally, I saw a few fans do silly things with mixed clothing like wear a JMU shirt and UVA cap. Or a pair attending with one supporting UVA. But, this was like 5 or 6 fans out of the entire arena. Sure, UVA had a few hundred or so in attendance, but it was a total non factor.

Even the day of the game, some were chattering nonsense about how they would "take over" AUBC. They were a bit shocked by reality.

I'm betting some of those dual loyalty attire people have kids at both schools (or they went to UVA and their kid is at JMU/vice-versa)
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There are definitely a mixture of UVA/JMU/VT fans. At UVA I am sure many were fans of both schools, but chose the one they are closest to cheer for.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
Perhaps some of these fans worried about visiting fans "taking over" BFS are letting their own happiness of new opponents and new places to travel for games impact their thinking? I imagine JMU fans are more excited to travel to our away games than vice versa. We have traveled well, gotten bored of the CAA away game destinations and are looking forward to new places. Outside App State, Marshall and ODU, I'd assume most fans are pretty "eh" on traveling to JMU, especially after the novelty of going to a new conference opponent and visiting BFS one time.
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You can count on the Herd faithful showing up in droves.
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(06-29-2022 09:06 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  You can count on the Herd faithful showing up in droves.

Good. Have some good Marshall friends, long time back to the Moss days when we were first peers. will be great to stoke the fire on this rivalry again, i think it has the potential to be the best one on in the Sun Belt. Games in Huntington and Harrisonburg should be a lot of fun for both sides - and both sides know how to bring it at tailgates. Man, what a great change this is from the CAA and "tailgating" at the likes of Villanova and UR where the home schools actually had their robocops out looking for JMU fans to harass.
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RE: Visiting team takeovers?
The point I was trying to make (albeit poorly), is that we are playing schools that have fans just as rabid (and even more so) than our own.
Just saying we shouldn't count on tickets being as readily available as other schools will pick them up.
Will the stadium be 50% (or 40%) filled with our opponents fans? Probably not, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least let it be known that this isn't the FCS anymore. If we're not careful, there be more of the opponent's fans colors than we would want.
Also if you have to sell your tickets, hopefully you are at least trying to sell to fellow Dukes. I realize that isn't always possible.
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(06-30-2022 09:51 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  The point I was trying to make (albeit poorly), is that we are playing schools that have fans just as rabid (and even more so) than our own.
Just saying we shouldn't count on tickets being as readily available as other schools will pick them up.
Will the stadium be 50% (or 40%) filled with our opponents fans? Probably not, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least let it be known that this isn't the FCS anymore. If we're not careful, there be more of the opponent's fans colors than we would want.
Also if you have to sell your tickets, hopefully you are at least trying to sell to fellow Dukes. I realize that isn't always possible.

Sorry. Not a chance that any of your restated worries will come to pass, that is, unless JMU craps the bed like ODU did in their move to FBS. The odds of that happening are slim to none.
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