(06-28-2022 10:54 AM)CKMcDan Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 03:16 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 03:07 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 02:53 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 02:43 PM)Claw Wrote:  I know that, but once the investigation opened you know damn well an investigator is going right after the coaching timeline. There's blood in the water and the NCAA let loose a shark.

I misread the post I replied to. But you're correct, IF Penny had been contacted by Memphis prior to helping Wiseman, than this could be really bad. I don't know Penny personally, but from what I have seen tells me he is smart enough to have not given Wiseman $ if he was already thinking about going to Memphis and possibly recruiting him to go there too. I don't see Penny as the type to need to financially incentivize top talent to come play for him.

And if he was he would have been smart enough to not write a check. I never have understood this. He didn’t hide anything. On the other hand you got Bill Self and the LSU coach caught in lies

In lieu of all the other cheaters I say "HANG THE BANNER!!!" The fact we lost an entire season because Rose allegedly had someone take the ACT for him while others were buying houses and furnishing cars is crazy. I wonder if we had beaten Kansas would they have let lying dogs lie?

NCAA made Louisville vacate their 2013 national title, so it's reasonable to expect the NCAA would have made us to vacate the 2008 title had we won.

Kansas played a guy in the 2008 championship game who DID NOT graduate from high school , did they vacate?

Griffin and Stammers, we don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.

(06-29-2022 09:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Griffin and Stammers, we don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.

lol good one

(06-28-2022 06:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 07:31 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 05:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 05:27 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 02:24 PM)Claw Wrote:  The key testimony from Memphis witnesses would be the timeline of hiring Penny.

If Penny had actively pursued the job, or the University had actively pursued Penny prior to Penny helping Wiseman, then we're screwed perhaps more than people expect.

If none of that happened until AFTER Penny helped Wiseman, then the Memphis testimony should establish that fact. Then you may have a booster helping a kid, but you don't have the incoming coach doing it. That's two totally different things.

Penny actively pursued the job towards the end of the Pastner era and aggressively prior to Tubby.

So what? In your words and the words of others that are connected, as long as Rudd and Bowen were in charge, Penny would never be hired. Everyone in the know is aware that after Tubby was hired, that Penny was not anywhere close to being considered until Tubby was halfway through his second season. IF the university wasn't so screwed by Tubby, there is no way Rudd and Bowen would have hired Penny, they were forced to by how ****** Tubby was.

Now you are making it sound like he was on speed dial and inches away from the job from 2015 onward. Your post is completely misleading and dishonest.

Not sure what meds you are on but my post is simple to read and understand and nothing else what so ever implied.

I answered a question someone else posted. My post is information from Dr. Rudd to me and Tom to me. It's accurate unless they did not tell the truth.

I doubt very few here want anything to happen yet data is data and it lands where it lands and we need to move on.

The question that was put out there was "did penny pursue the job" not "was he considered" - I simply answered the question and no he was never considered by either of them that I know of.

As well, outside of answering the question to provide the answer, this has zero to do with what happened back then.

Not getting into any type of debate, predicting the end result is not absolute yet we will see how accurate everyone is with their past thoughts on this soon I guess.

This really isn't the point. Many won't be shocked if we get hammered, because CLEARLY the NCAA has a vendetta and that is their goal. They abandoned any illusion of playing fair when they sent two of their lapdogs after us, tried to dig up dirt on everything, and brought up garbage from 15 years ago to a hearing that was created specifically to be free of NCAA corruption.

The difference between you, a few other miserables and most; is that you genuinely feel that we committed horrible infractions and we deserve to get hammered for them.

So AGAIN, the difference is that most here realize that in the eternal scheme of things, we stole a pack of gum from Walmart, and you think that we robbed a bank.

That is the difference, and it is solely based on you not liking Penny. IF this was Fuente or Norvell there is ZERO chance your posts would look anything like these.

Yep

He doesn’t have the stones to post under his real name, because of the obvious of course. Regardless of however much money he donates, the athletic department, president and obviously Penny would put an end to the backstabbing he does on here. You can’t attend practices and then go home and take your shots at the coach you don’t like via this message board under some bs name. No university or program would allow this type crap to go on. Of course any lame idiot is allowed his opinion. But there’s no way he could voice that opinion by way of trashing the coach and yet continue to be allowed in that same coach’s closed practices. Penny will be made aware that there is a rat.

(06-29-2022 11:48 AM)Sipowicz Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 06:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 07:31 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 05:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 05:27 PM)griffin Wrote:  Penny actively pursued the job towards the end of the Pastner era and aggressively prior to Tubby.

So what? In your words and the words of others that are connected, as long as Rudd and Bowen were in charge, Penny would never be hired. Everyone in the know is aware that after Tubby was hired, that Penny was not anywhere close to being considered until Tubby was halfway through his second season. IF the university wasn't so screwed by Tubby, there is no way Rudd and Bowen would have hired Penny, they were forced to by how ****** Tubby was.

Now you are making it sound like he was on speed dial and inches away from the job from 2015 onward. Your post is completely misleading and dishonest.

Not sure what meds you are on but my post is simple to read and understand and nothing else what so ever implied.

I answered a question someone else posted. My post is information from Dr. Rudd to me and Tom to me. It's accurate unless they did not tell the truth.

I doubt very few here want anything to happen yet data is data and it lands where it lands and we need to move on.

The question that was put out there was "did penny pursue the job" not "was he considered" - I simply answered the question and no he was never considered by either of them that I know of.

As well, outside of answering the question to provide the answer, this has zero to do with what happened back then.

Not getting into any type of debate, predicting the end result is not absolute yet we will see how accurate everyone is with their past thoughts on this soon I guess.

This really isn't the point. Many won't be shocked if we get hammered, because CLEARLY the NCAA has a vendetta and that is their goal. They abandoned any illusion of playing fair when they sent two of their lapdogs after us, tried to dig up dirt on everything, and brought up garbage from 15 years ago to a hearing that was created specifically to be free of NCAA corruption.

The difference between you, a few other miserables and most; is that you genuinely feel that we committed horrible infractions and we deserve to get hammered for them.

So AGAIN, the difference is that most here realize that in the eternal scheme of things, we stole a pack of gum from Walmart, and you think that we robbed a bank.

That is the difference, and it is solely based on you not liking Penny. IF this was Fuente or Norvell there is ZERO chance your posts would look anything like these.

Yep

He doesn’t have the stones to post under his real name, because of the obvious of course. Regardless of however much money he donates, the athletic department, president and obviously Penny would put an end to the backstabbing he does on here. You can’t attend practices and then go home and take your shots at the coach you don’t like via this message board under some bs name. No university or program would allow this type crap to go on. Of course any lame idiot is allowed his opinion. But there’s no way he could voice that opinion by way of trashing the coach and yet continue to be allowed in that same coach’s closed practices. Penny will be made aware that there is a rat.

Are you that dense? I don't hide my name nor have I ever hid my name - most here who want to know who I am.

What's better if you think I am someone for whom the AD, both HCs already are informed of my position on various items, especially since they call to ask you are mistaken in a large way. No different than any donor of significance.

(06-29-2022 11:48 AM)Sipowicz Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 06:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 07:31 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 05:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 05:27 PM)griffin Wrote:  Penny actively pursued the job towards the end of the Pastner era and aggressively prior to Tubby.

So what? In your words and the words of others that are connected, as long as Rudd and Bowen were in charge, Penny would never be hired. Everyone in the know is aware that after Tubby was hired, that Penny was not anywhere close to being considered until Tubby was halfway through his second season. IF the university wasn't so screwed by Tubby, there is no way Rudd and Bowen would have hired Penny, they were forced to by how ****** Tubby was.

Now you are making it sound like he was on speed dial and inches away from the job from 2015 onward. Your post is completely misleading and dishonest.

Not sure what meds you are on but my post is simple to read and understand and nothing else what so ever implied.

I answered a question someone else posted. My post is information from Dr. Rudd to me and Tom to me. It's accurate unless they did not tell the truth.

I doubt very few here want anything to happen yet data is data and it lands where it lands and we need to move on.

The question that was put out there was "did penny pursue the job" not "was he considered" - I simply answered the question and no he was never considered by either of them that I know of.

As well, outside of answering the question to provide the answer, this has zero to do with what happened back then.

Not getting into any type of debate, predicting the end result is not absolute yet we will see how accurate everyone is with their past thoughts on this soon I guess.

This really isn't the point. Many won't be shocked if we get hammered, because CLEARLY the NCAA has a vendetta and that is their goal. They abandoned any illusion of playing fair when they sent two of their lapdogs after us, tried to dig up dirt on everything, and brought up garbage from 15 years ago to a hearing that was created specifically to be free of NCAA corruption.

The difference between you, a few other miserables and most; is that you genuinely feel that we committed horrible infractions and we deserve to get hammered for them.

So AGAIN, the difference is that most here realize that in the eternal scheme of things, we stole a pack of gum from Walmart, and you think that we robbed a bank.

That is the difference, and it is solely based on you not liking Penny. IF this was Fuente or Norvell there is ZERO chance your posts would look anything like these.

Yep

He doesn’t have the stones to post under his real name, because of the obvious of course. Regardless of however much money he donates, the athletic department, president and obviously Penny would put an end to the backstabbing he does on here. You can’t attend practices and then go home and take your shots at the coach you don’t like via this message board under some bs name. No university or program would allow this type crap to go on. Of course any lame idiot is allowed his opinion. But there’s no way he could voice that opinion by way of trashing the coach and yet continue to be allowed in that same coach’s closed practices. Penny will be made aware that there is a rat.

Everyone or almost everyone knows who he is.

(06-29-2022 01:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 11:48 AM)Sipowicz Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 06:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 07:31 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 05:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  So what? In your words and the words of others that are connected, as long as Rudd and Bowen were in charge, Penny would never be hired. Everyone in the know is aware that after Tubby was hired, that Penny was not anywhere close to being considered until Tubby was halfway through his second season. IF the university wasn't so screwed by Tubby, there is no way Rudd and Bowen would have hired Penny, they were forced to by how ****** Tubby was.

Now you are making it sound like he was on speed dial and inches away from the job from 2015 onward. Your post is completely misleading and dishonest.

Not sure what meds you are on but my post is simple to read and understand and nothing else what so ever implied.

I answered a question someone else posted. My post is information from Dr. Rudd to me and Tom to me. It's accurate unless they did not tell the truth.

I doubt very few here want anything to happen yet data is data and it lands where it lands and we need to move on.

The question that was put out there was "did penny pursue the job" not "was he considered" - I simply answered the question and no he was never considered by either of them that I know of.

As well, outside of answering the question to provide the answer, this has zero to do with what happened back then.

Not getting into any type of debate, predicting the end result is not absolute yet we will see how accurate everyone is with their past thoughts on this soon I guess.

This really isn't the point. Many won't be shocked if we get hammered, because CLEARLY the NCAA has a vendetta and that is their goal. They abandoned any illusion of playing fair when they sent two of their lapdogs after us, tried to dig up dirt on everything, and brought up garbage from 15 years ago to a hearing that was created specifically to be free of NCAA corruption.

The difference between you, a few other miserables and most; is that you genuinely feel that we committed horrible infractions and we deserve to get hammered for them.

So AGAIN, the difference is that most here realize that in the eternal scheme of things, we stole a pack of gum from Walmart, and you think that we robbed a bank.

That is the difference, and it is solely based on you not liking Penny. IF this was Fuente or Norvell there is ZERO chance your posts would look anything like these.

Yep

He doesn’t have the stones to post under his real name, because of the obvious of course. Regardless of however much money he donates, the athletic department, president and obviously Penny would put an end to the backstabbing he does on here. You can’t attend practices and then go home and take your shots at the coach you don’t like via this message board under some bs name. No university or program would allow this type crap to go on. Of course any lame idiot is allowed his opinion. But there’s no way he could voice that opinion by way of trashing the coach and yet continue to be allowed in that same coach’s closed practices. Penny will be made aware that there is a rat.

Everyone or almost everyone knows who he is.

I don't. Do tell.

(06-29-2022 01:26 PM)slktigers Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 01:05 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 11:48 AM)Sipowicz Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 06:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 07:31 PM)griffin Wrote:  Not sure what meds you are on but my post is simple to read and understand and nothing else what so ever implied.

I answered a question someone else posted. My post is information from Dr. Rudd to me and Tom to me. It's accurate unless they did not tell the truth.

I doubt very few here want anything to happen yet data is data and it lands where it lands and we need to move on.

The question that was put out there was "did penny pursue the job" not "was he considered" - I simply answered the question and no he was never considered by either of them that I know of.

As well, outside of answering the question to provide the answer, this has zero to do with what happened back then.

Not getting into any type of debate, predicting the end result is not absolute yet we will see how accurate everyone is with their past thoughts on this soon I guess.

This really isn't the point. Many won't be shocked if we get hammered, because CLEARLY the NCAA has a vendetta and that is their goal. They abandoned any illusion of playing fair when they sent two of their lapdogs after us, tried to dig up dirt on everything, and brought up garbage from 15 years ago to a hearing that was created specifically to be free of NCAA corruption.

The difference between you, a few other miserables and most; is that you genuinely feel that we committed horrible infractions and we deserve to get hammered for them.

So AGAIN, the difference is that most here realize that in the eternal scheme of things, we stole a pack of gum from Walmart, and you think that we robbed a bank.

That is the difference, and it is solely based on you not liking Penny. IF this was Fuente or Norvell there is ZERO chance your posts would look anything like these.

Yep

He doesn’t have the stones to post under his real name, because of the obvious of course. Regardless of however much money he donates, the athletic department, president and obviously Penny would put an end to the backstabbing he does on here. You can’t attend practices and then go home and take your shots at the coach you don’t like via this message board under some bs name. No university or program would allow this type crap to go on. Of course any lame idiot is allowed his opinion. But there’s no way he could voice that opinion by way of trashing the coach and yet continue to be allowed in that same coach’s closed practices. Penny will be made aware that there is a rat.

Everyone or almost everyone knows who he is.

I don't. Do tell.

IDK

(06-29-2022 09:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Griffin and Stammers, we don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.

One would knock out the other in the first----- the PRETENDER- when he wakes up -then would say If IF only and then MAKE BELIEVE he won and claim victory

The PRETENDER picks fights with every poster on here----he is O-FER---just like his predictions and bold statements like he speaks are gospel

(06-29-2022 01:55 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 09:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Griffin and Stammers, we don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.

One would knock out the other in the first----- the PRETENDER- when he wakes up -then would say If IF only and then MAKE BELIEVE he won and claim victory

The PRETENDER picks fights with every poster on here----he is O-FER---just like his predictions and bold statements like he speaks are gospel

(06-29-2022 01:55 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 09:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Griffin and Stammers, we don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.

One would knock out the other in the first----- the PRETENDER- when he wakes up -then would say If IF only and then MAKE BELIEVE he won and claim victory

The PRETENDER picks fights with every poster on here----he is O-FER---just like his predictions and bold statements like he speaks are gospel

Where have I seen this unsuccessful ploy before...?

(06-29-2022 02:22 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 01:55 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 09:25 AM)fsquid Wrote:  Griffin and Stammers, we don't like it when mommy and daddy fight.

One would knock out the other in the first----- the PRETENDER- when he wakes up -then would say If IF only and then MAKE BELIEVE he won and claim victory

The PRETENDER picks fights with every poster on here----he is O-FER---just like his predictions and bold statements like he speaks are gospel

Where have I seen this unsuccessful ploy before...?

(06-28-2022 05:58 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 05:27 PM)scorpius Wrote:  I never understood this. The NCAA made their ruling when they banned Wiseman for whatever amount of games. And we did them better. He didn't play for the rest of the season. So what do they want? Egg in their beer? Sounds more like just a personal attack against Memphis at this point. And when you dig into the details, it sure smells of it as well. That being said, I'd be surprised if it's anything more than a scholarship loss or two and maybe coach sitting out a few games. I think post-season bans are off the table since punishing current players for something that happened on past teams is supposedly not a thing anymore.

We sat him ONLY after he lost his case against the TSSAA and realized that the court was likely going to left the temporary injunction against the NCAA because he likely wouldn't win that case either.

After he dropped case against NCAA the U of M had no other course but to bench him.

We were using the court injunction as a CYA mechanism, without the injunction we were connected by inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis.

That's true but didn't the NCAA later come back and say Wiseman can play after something like a dozen games sitting out? People seem to forget or ignore that fact. Well, he sat those games and not only that, he voluntarily sat the rest of the season. Common sense would say if he sat the punishment (and then some) and they cleared him to play, then all is good.

So why are we still dealing with this? When you read into the details it sounds like just each side arguing with the other about not providing timely or accurate information. That argument can be made on both sides anytime there is an infractions issue. So why aren't all infractions cases being forwarded like this one. Makes no sense.

We played a “ineligible” player 3 games. We forfeited the 2 games that we won. I don’t understand why this is still going on.

(06-29-2022 12:38 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 11:48 AM)Sipowicz Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 06:14 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 07:31 PM)griffin Wrote:  

(06-27-2022 05:53 PM)Stammers Wrote:  So what? In your words and the words of others that are connected, as long as Rudd and Bowen were in charge, Penny would never be hired. Everyone in the know is aware that after Tubby was hired, that Penny was not anywhere close to being considered until Tubby was halfway through his second season. IF the university wasn't so screwed by Tubby, there is no way Rudd and Bowen would have hired Penny, they were forced to by how ****** Tubby was.

Now you are making it sound like he was on speed dial and inches away from the job from 2015 onward. Your post is completely misleading and dishonest.

Not sure what meds you are on but my post is simple to read and understand and nothing else what so ever implied.

I answered a question someone else posted. My post is information from Dr. Rudd to me and Tom to me. It's accurate unless they did not tell the truth.

I doubt very few here want anything to happen yet data is data and it lands where it lands and we need to move on.

The question that was put out there was "did penny pursue the job" not "was he considered" - I simply answered the question and no he was never considered by either of them that I know of.

As well, outside of answering the question to provide the answer, this has zero to do with what happened back then.

Not getting into any type of debate, predicting the end result is not absolute yet we will see how accurate everyone is with their past thoughts on this soon I guess.

This really isn't the point. Many won't be shocked if we get hammered, because CLEARLY the NCAA has a vendetta and that is their goal. They abandoned any illusion of playing fair when they sent two of their lapdogs after us, tried to dig up dirt on everything, and brought up garbage from 15 years ago to a hearing that was created specifically to be free of NCAA corruption.

The difference between you, a few other miserables and most; is that you genuinely feel that we committed horrible infractions and we deserve to get hammered for them.

So AGAIN, the difference is that most here realize that in the eternal scheme of things, we stole a pack of gum from Walmart, and you think that we robbed a bank.

That is the difference, and it is solely based on you not liking Penny. IF this was Fuente or Norvell there is ZERO chance your posts would look anything like these.

Yep

He doesn’t have the stones to post under his real name, because of the obvious of course. Regardless of however much money he donates, the athletic department, president and obviously Penny would put an end to the backstabbing he does on here. You can’t attend practices and then go home and take your shots at the coach you don’t like via this message board under some bs name. No university or program would allow this type crap to go on. Of course any lame idiot is allowed his opinion. But there’s no way he could voice that opinion by way of trashing the coach and yet continue to be allowed in that same coach’s closed practices. Penny will be made aware that there is a rat.

Are you that dense? I don't hide my name nor have I ever hid my name - most here who want to know who I am.

What's better if you think I am someone for whom the AD, both HCs already are informed of my position on various items, especially since they call to ask you are mistaken in a large way. No different than any donor of significance.

You don’t write sentences in a very coherent manner at all. You are a joke to me. The idea that Penny Hardaway calls you to get your thoughts or opinions on any given issue, while you bash him under some fake name on a blind message board is ridiculous. You aren’t the only person who knows people at the university. I’m done. You can continue your asinine stance arguing with Stam now.

(06-29-2022 03:38 PM)micman Wrote:  We played a “ineligible” player 3 games. We forfeited the 2 games that we won. I don’t understand why this is still going on.

A player that was eventually cleared too. A point that nobody including the media never bothers to mention

Most of the "lack of institutional control"-type of allegations resulted from Memphis's response to the investigators going on a fishing expedition using hostile interrogation tactics (lying to people about allegedly "knowing" something and likely threatening them if they didn't "come clean"). So if the investigators were in violation of the bylaws, then Memphis was in the right to push back against their tactics and there was no "lack of cooperation" or "lack of institutional control."

(06-29-2022 08:30 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  [...
Kansas played a guy in the 2008 championship game who DID NOT graduate from high school , did they vacate?

So the Dallas Independent School district revoked his diploma?

(06-29-2022 09:20 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:30 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  [...
Kansas played a guy in the 2008 championship game who DID NOT graduate from high school , did they vacate?

So the Dallas Independent School district revoked his diploma?

The Kansas AD said that the school knew nothing about it (even though they obviously orchestrated the whole thing so he could play), so he considered the case closed. Our three idiots bent over.

[quote='BinghamptonNed' pid='18293095'
Kansas played a guy in the 2008 championship game who DID NOT graduate from high school , did they vacate?
[/quote]

They didn’t have to. The allegations against Kansas were added to our “strict liability” case.