(06-29-2022 08:17 PM)Cotten Wrote:  Most of the "lack of institutional control"-type of allegations resulted from Memphis's response to the investigators going on a fishing expedition using hostile interrogation tactics (lying to people about allegedly "knowing" something and likely threatening them if they didn't "come clean"). So if the investigators were in violation of the bylaws, then Memphis was in the right to push back against their tactics and there was no "lack of cooperation" or "lack of institutional control."

This! But don’t tell our resident expert. He thinks it’s all Penny’s fault

(06-30-2022 09:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:17 PM)Cotten Wrote:  Most of the "lack of institutional control"-type of allegations resulted from Memphis's response to the investigators going on a fishing expedition using hostile interrogation tactics (lying to people about allegedly "knowing" something and likely threatening them if they didn't "come clean"). So if the investigators were in violation of the bylaws, then Memphis was in the right to push back against their tactics and there was no "lack of cooperation" or "lack of institutional control."

This! But don’t tell our resident expert. He thinks it’s all Penny’s fault

The NCAA claiming a anyone was too slow responding or noncooperative to an investigation is as hypocritical as hypocritical can get...

(06-28-2022 03:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 01:28 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 12:43 PM)RockyMTNTiger Wrote:  Everyone can opine on the details until they are blue in the face. Won't make much of a difference: It was obvious from the way they handled this that they were out to get the Tigers. They are a lawless, feckless organization thrashing about in their death throes. They are lashing out to show their power before it bleeds away.. If they think they can get away with it they intend to hurt the Tigers as much as possible.

What happened 2 years ago when it was decided that all transfers would be allowed regardless of circumstances? They put through DW's the same day they made the announcements. He was literally the last one announced.

They are the worst ******* pricks.

If by chance we do get a ruling against us that we don't like, this is definitely a case where we can take them to court and win. Any sane judge will through it out because it was a complete mockery procedurally.

I don't know if it's a good strategy, but I would think that we could get a few if not tens of millions of dollars of damages out of it as well.

- There will soon be a bill that will limit their powers and limit the time that they can take to present cases. This will stop every investigation in its tracks
- Players will be able to transfer freely. No more bull**** allowing some and declining others with no rhyme or reason, or common sense
- Players can legally make millions. The NCAA will no longer be able to punish schools who take recruits to McDonald's or send them a pair of sneakers
- The days of psychos inventing things especially for us, like "strict liability" are over

So what powers exactly will the new NCAA have? Why would anyone fear them for any reason? Cool meme though, thanks for the laughs.

(06-30-2022 09:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:17 PM)Cotten Wrote:  Most of the "lack of institutional control"-type of allegations resulted from Memphis's response to the investigators going on a fishing expedition using hostile interrogation tactics (lying to people about allegedly "knowing" something and likely threatening them if they didn't "come clean"). So if the investigators were in violation of the bylaws, then Memphis was in the right to push back against their tactics and there was no "lack of cooperation" or "lack of institutional control."

This! But don’t tell our resident expert. He thinks it’s all Penny’s fault

The NCAA claiming a anyone was too slow responding or noncooperative to an investigation is as hypocritical as hypocritical can get...

They cleared us 3 times, Wiseman did more than the time, the whole concept of the IARP being independent of NCAA corruption is a sham, they committed misconduct that would not only get a normal case thrown out, but their investigators would be censured or punished, and the investigation itself has taken 2 years...

And the NCAA is upsetted because we needed more time at the final hearing to present all of our witnesses and evidence.

(06-29-2022 03:33 PM)scorpius Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 05:58 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 05:27 PM)scorpius Wrote:  I never understood this. The NCAA made their ruling when they banned Wiseman for whatever amount of games. And we did them better. He didn't play for the rest of the season. So what do they want? Egg in their beer? Sounds more like just a personal attack against Memphis at this point. And when you dig into the details, it sure smells of it as well. That being said, I'd be surprised if it's anything more than a scholarship loss or two and maybe coach sitting out a few games. I think post-season bans are off the table since punishing current players for something that happened on past teams is supposedly not a thing anymore.

We sat him ONLY after he lost his case against the TSSAA and realized that the court was likely going to left the temporary injunction against the NCAA because he likely wouldn't win that case either.

After he dropped case against NCAA the U of M had no other course but to bench him.

We were using the court injunction as a CYA mechanism, without the injunction we were connected by inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis.

That's true but didn't the NCAA later come back and say Wiseman can play after something like a dozen games sitting out? People seem to forget or ignore that fact. Well, he sat those games and not only that, he voluntarily sat the rest of the season. Common sense would say if he sat the punishment (and then some) and they cleared him to play, then all is good.

So why are we still dealing with this? When you read into the details it sounds like just each side arguing with the other about not providing timely or accurate information. That argument can be made on both sides anytime there is an infractions issue. So why aren't all infractions cases being forwarded like this one. Makes no sense.

They said he could play IF ,(a large two letter word) 1) presents a plan to repay the benefits. Didn't have to repay a dime to return, just present a plan to repay it before his eligibility expires. 2) sit out the standard 9 game suspension for such a violation plus one game for every game he played.

He was given an avenue to return but chose not to.

(06-30-2022 11:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:17 PM)Cotten Wrote:  Most of the "lack of institutional control"-type of allegations resulted from Memphis's response to the investigators going on a fishing expedition using hostile interrogation tactics (lying to people about allegedly "knowing" something and likely threatening them if they didn't "come clean"). So if the investigators were in violation of the bylaws, then Memphis was in the right to push back against their tactics and there was no "lack of cooperation" or "lack of institutional control."

This! But don’t tell our resident expert. He thinks it’s all Penny’s fault

The NCAA claiming a anyone was too slow responding or noncooperative to an investigation is as hypocritical as hypocritical can get...

They cleared us 3 times, Wiseman did more than the time, the whole concept of the IARP being independent of NCAA corruption is a sham, they committed misconduct that would not only get a normal case thrown out, but their investigators would be censured or punished, and the investigation itself has taken 2 years...

And the NCAA is upsetted because we needed more time at the final hearing to present all of our witnesses and evidence.

Quit trying to spin things and rationalize. This thing has gone past Wiseman long long ago. The Wiseman portion of the investigation is relatively small change. We have been accused of obstructing the investigation and tampering with evidence. All your rationalizing and paranoia and delusions of persecution doesn't change that.

Just like in Watergate, it wasn't the break in, it was the cover-up.

It's not about if Wiseman got unpermitted extra benefits. That issue is settled. He did.

The issue is how we responded after we were informed about his may being ineligible and how we responded after being about the investigation.

We have better hope that there is no connection between the program and the attorney Wiseman hired.

Since there was an injunction issued that prevented the school from suspending him.

If we had any connection to the hiring of the attorney it could be seen as if we were conspiring with Wiseman to circumvent the rules.

(06-29-2022 08:17 PM)Cotten Wrote:  Most of the "lack of institutional control"-type of allegations resulted from Memphis's response to the investigators going on a fishing expedition using hostile interrogation tactics (lying to people about allegedly "knowing" something and likely threatening them if they didn't "come clean"). So if the investigators were in violation of the bylaws, then Memphis was in the right to push back against their tactics and there was no "lack of cooperation" or "lack of institutional control."

Once again, how is it “loss of institutional control” when the president is directly involved in the decision-making?

(06-30-2022 01:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:17 PM)Cotten Wrote:  Most of the "lack of institutional control"-type of allegations resulted from Memphis's response to the investigators going on a fishing expedition using hostile interrogation tactics (lying to people about allegedly "knowing" something and likely threatening them if they didn't "come clean"). So if the investigators were in violation of the bylaws, then Memphis was in the right to push back against their tactics and there was no "lack of cooperation" or "lack of institutional control."

This! But don’t tell our resident expert. He thinks it’s all Penny’s fault

The NCAA claiming a anyone was too slow responding or noncooperative to an investigation is as hypocritical as hypocritical can get...

They cleared us 3 times, Wiseman did more than the time, the whole concept of the IARP being independent of NCAA corruption is a sham, they committed misconduct that would not only get a normal case thrown out, but their investigators would be censured or punished, and the investigation itself has taken 2 years...

And the NCAA is upsetted because we needed more time at the final hearing to present all of our witnesses and evidence.

Quit trying to spin things and rationalize. This thing has gone past Wiseman long long ago. The Wiseman portion of the investigation is relatively small change. We have been accused of obstructing the investigation and tampering with evidence. All your rationalizing and paranoia and delusions of persecution doesn't change that.

Just like in Watergate, it wasn't the break in, it was the cover-up.

It's not about if Wiseman got unpermitted extra benefits. That issue is settled. He did.

The issue is how we responded after we were informed about his may being ineligible and how we responded after being about the investigation.

We have better hope that there is no connection between the program and the attorney Wiseman hired.

Since there was an injunction issued that prevented the school from suspending him.

If we had any connection to the hiring of the attorney it could be seen as if we were conspiring with Wiseman to circumvent the rules.

You are the comedian that said that arguing on procedural grounds was for losers. Anything you argue in this thread is a joke.

I’m of the opinion that if Penny claimed racial bias against the NCAA by punishing him when it didn’t punish white coaches at schools like Duke & others accused of players receiving improper benefits, then asking for all the NCAA’s documentation, emails, interviews, etc.. pertaining to those investigations in discovery this whole thing would go up in a small puff of smoke. The NCAA has always been biased towards historically white institutions/coaches and that needs to stop. Air their dirty laundry in public.

(06-30-2022 01:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:17 PM)Cotten Wrote:  Most of the "lack of institutional control"-type of allegations resulted from Memphis's response to the investigators going on a fishing expedition using hostile interrogation tactics (lying to people about allegedly "knowing" something and likely threatening them if they didn't "come clean"). So if the investigators were in violation of the bylaws, then Memphis was in the right to push back against their tactics and there was no "lack of cooperation" or "lack of institutional control."

This! But don’t tell our resident expert. He thinks it’s all Penny’s fault

The NCAA claiming a anyone was too slow responding or noncooperative to an investigation is as hypocritical as hypocritical can get...

They cleared us 3 times, Wiseman did more than the time, the whole concept of the IARP being independent of NCAA corruption is a sham, they committed misconduct that would not only get a normal case thrown out, but their investigators would be censured or punished, and the investigation itself has taken 2 years...

And the NCAA is upsetted because we needed more time at the final hearing to present all of our witnesses and evidence.

Quit trying to spin things and rationalize. This thing has gone past Wiseman long long ago. The Wiseman portion of the investigation is relatively small change. We have been accused of obstructing the investigation and tampering with evidence. All your rationalizing and paranoia and delusions of persecution doesn't change that.

Just like in Watergate, it wasn't the break in, it was the cover-up.

It's not about if Wiseman got unpermitted extra benefits. That issue is settled. He did.

The issue is how we responded after we were informed about his may being ineligible and how we responded after being about the investigation.

We have better hope that there is no connection between the program and the attorney Wiseman hired.

Since there was an injunction issued that prevented the school from suspending him.

If we had any connection to the hiring of the attorney it could be seen as if we were conspiring with Wiseman to circumvent the rules.

Your dislike for Penny has no bounds.

(06-30-2022 01:39 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  This! But don’t tell our resident expert. He thinks it’s all Penny’s fault

The NCAA claiming a anyone was too slow responding or noncooperative to an investigation is as hypocritical as hypocritical can get...

They cleared us 3 times, Wiseman did more than the time, the whole concept of the IARP being independent of NCAA corruption is a sham, they committed misconduct that would not only get a normal case thrown out, but their investigators would be censured or punished, and the investigation itself has taken 2 years...

And the NCAA is upsetted because we needed more time at the final hearing to present all of our witnesses and evidence.

Quit trying to spin things and rationalize. This thing has gone past Wiseman long long ago. The Wiseman portion of the investigation is relatively small change. We have been accused of obstructing the investigation and tampering with evidence. All your rationalizing and paranoia and delusions of persecution doesn't change that.

Just like in Watergate, it wasn't the break in, it was the cover-up.

It's not about if Wiseman got unpermitted extra benefits. That issue is settled. He did.

The issue is how we responded after we were informed about his may being ineligible and how we responded after being about the investigation.

We have better hope that there is no connection between the program and the attorney Wiseman hired.

Since there was an injunction issued that prevented the school from suspending him.

If we had any connection to the hiring of the attorney it could be seen as if we were conspiring with Wiseman to circumvent the rules.

You are the comedian that said that arguing on procedural grounds was for losers. Anything you argue in this thread is a joke.

His posts are astounding. In a bad way.

(06-30-2022 03:48 PM)Sipowicz Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:00 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  This! But don’t tell our resident expert. He thinks it’s all Penny’s fault

The NCAA claiming a anyone was too slow responding or noncooperative to an investigation is as hypocritical as hypocritical can get...

They cleared us 3 times, Wiseman did more than the time, the whole concept of the IARP being independent of NCAA corruption is a sham, they committed misconduct that would not only get a normal case thrown out, but their investigators would be censured or punished, and the investigation itself has taken 2 years...

And the NCAA is upsetted because we needed more time at the final hearing to present all of our witnesses and evidence.

Quit trying to spin things and rationalize. This thing has gone past Wiseman long long ago. The Wiseman portion of the investigation is relatively small change. We have been accused of obstructing the investigation and tampering with evidence. All your rationalizing and paranoia and delusions of persecution doesn't change that.

Just like in Watergate, it wasn't the break in, it was the cover-up.

It's not about if Wiseman got unpermitted extra benefits. That issue is settled. He did.

The issue is how we responded after we were informed about his may being ineligible and how we responded after being about the investigation.

We have better hope that there is no connection between the program and the attorney Wiseman hired.

Since there was an injunction issued that prevented the school from suspending him.

If we had any connection to the hiring of the attorney it could be seen as if we were conspiring with Wiseman to circumvent the rules.

Your dislike for Penny has no bounds.

Pull your head out of your ass. He wasn't mentioned once in my post. I stated the actual facts of the case. We erased materials that the committee asked to see. Materials that ANYONE with any common sense would expect the committee to ask for the moment the investigation was announced.

If all this was about is a single player getting extra benefits the case would have been closed a long time before now with a slap on the wrist.

(06-30-2022 04:13 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 03:48 PM)Sipowicz Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 01:17 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 11:27 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 09:43 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  The NCAA claiming a anyone was too slow responding or noncooperative to an investigation is as hypocritical as hypocritical can get...

They cleared us 3 times, Wiseman did more than the time, the whole concept of the IARP being independent of NCAA corruption is a sham, they committed misconduct that would not only get a normal case thrown out, but their investigators would be censured or punished, and the investigation itself has taken 2 years...

And the NCAA is upsetted because we needed more time at the final hearing to present all of our witnesses and evidence.

Quit trying to spin things and rationalize. This thing has gone past Wiseman long long ago. The Wiseman portion of the investigation is relatively small change. We have been accused of obstructing the investigation and tampering with evidence. All your rationalizing and paranoia and delusions of persecution doesn't change that.

Just like in Watergate, it wasn't the break in, it was the cover-up.

It's not about if Wiseman got unpermitted extra benefits. That issue is settled. He did.

The issue is how we responded after we were informed about his may being ineligible and how we responded after being about the investigation.

We have better hope that there is no connection between the program and the attorney Wiseman hired.

Since there was an injunction issued that prevented the school from suspending him.

If we had any connection to the hiring of the attorney it could be seen as if we were conspiring with Wiseman to circumvent the rules.

Your dislike for Penny has no bounds.

Pull your head out of your ass. He wasn't mentioned once in my post. I stated the actual facts of the case. We erased materials that the committee asked to see. Materials that ANYONE with any common sense would expect the committee to ask for the moment the investigation was announced.

If all this was about is a single player getting extra benefits the case would have been closed a long time before now with a slap on the wrist.

Do the admins or moderators of this board allow these type of statements?

I’m going to refrain from using some profanity directed at the Racecar dude.

I’m thinking this guy will actually be disappointed when the punishment/penalty is hardly anything. I’m wondering if he then will say he was wrong? Or will be be irked at the ncaa for NOT “letting us have it!”?

I’m thinking this is the type of “fan” that wants us to get hammered because of his disdain for the head coach.