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The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
The simplest solution for both the WAC and the ASUN is to extend their current alliance five years. This arrangement provides assurance for an auto bid to the playoffs and gives both conferences an opportunity to let the dust settle from the current round of reorganization.
06-26-2022 06:49 AM
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
If the priority for the ASUN and WAC schools are to avoid parking their non football sports in the OVC and Southland, this should not be much of a challenge to arrange. The Commish of the ASUN seems to be an innovative guy and the WAC is a willing partner.

The WAC schools in particular are looking to be in an elevated basketball league compared to what they found in the Southland.
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
(06-26-2022 06:54 AM)TexasTerror Wrote:  If the priority for the ASUN and WAC schools are to avoid parking their non football sports in the OVC and Southland, this should not be much of a challenge to arrange. The Commish of the ASUN seems to be an innovative guy and the WAC is a willing partner.

The WAC schools in particular are looking to be in an elevated basketball league compared to what they found in the Southland.

Yup, and this arrangement permits schools to remain in better basketball conferences while playing football in a strong, stable fcs conference.

Lots of details would have to be worked out- an integrated schedule like the alliance played last year or separate schedules with the alliance champion to be determined by a formula, but with capable leaders in both conferences the details don’t present an insurmountable obstacle.
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
(06-26-2022 06:49 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  The simplest solution for both the WAC and the ASUN is to extend their current alliance five years. This arrangement provides assurance for an auto bid to the playoffs and gives both conferences an opportunity to let the dust settle from the current round of reorganization.

That assumes that the WAC and ASUN can maintain at least 6 football playing members between them. If not, they will have to obtain a waiver.
06-26-2022 02:28 PM
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
(06-26-2022 06:49 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  The simplest solution for both the WAC and the ASUN is to extend their current alliance five years. This arrangement provides assurance for an auto bid to the playoffs and gives both conferences an opportunity to let the dust settle from the current round of reorganization.
Assuming UTRGV starts football the WAC will have 6. The ASUN may pick up a 6th school.
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
The WAC-ASUN deal is an awkward marriage of convenience. The WAC has a path to 6 if UTRGV follows through and room for a 7th if they can ever talk a D2 into moving up but the ASUN has no such path. The Queens add made zero sense for an aspirational football conference.

Both of these groups are seriously hamstrung by lack of cohesion and differing goals and objectives. Tarleton St and EKU aren’t in it for the long haul—they just want it to hold together until they get an FBS invite.

You’ve got schools who want these leagues to be successful and then you’ve got schools who tagged along into these wndsavors because it looked like that was the way the wind was blowing but now they probably regret it (S Utah, UCA, Austin Peay)
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
(06-26-2022 03:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The WAC-ASUN deal is an awkward marriage of convenience. The WAC has a path to 6 if UTRGV follows through and room for a 7th if they can ever talk a D2 into moving up but the ASUN has no such path. The Queens add made zero sense for an aspirational football conference.

Both of these groups are seriously hamstrung by lack of cohesion and differing goals and objectives. Tarleton St and EKU aren’t in it for the long haul—they just want it to hold together until they get an FBS invite.

You’ve got schools who want these leagues to be successful and then you’ve got schools who tagged along into these wndsavors because it looked like that was the way the wind was blowing but now they probably regret it (S Utah, UCA, Austin Peay)

But if UTRGV does follow through, they will be nothing but a doormat for several years. And Tarleton appears to be using the WAC as a stepping stone.
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
The question who could win a bidding war for West Texas A&M, Angelo State and Central Oklahoma by Southland and the WAC. I think NCAA should give waivers for conferences like WAC, Southland, OVC, ASUN, Big South and MEAC to call up more than 2 D2 schools to help keep their bids. I think speed up the process not waiting so long before playing post season can help from 4 to 2 years. After next year, Dixie State and Tarleton State will be full members. They could call up 2 D2 schools with football or 3.
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
(06-26-2022 02:28 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(06-26-2022 06:49 AM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  The simplest solution for both the WAC and the ASUN is to extend their current alliance five years. This arrangement provides assurance for an auto bid to the playoffs and gives both conferences an opportunity to let the dust settle from the current round of reorganization.

That assumes that the WAC and ASUN can maintain at least 6 football playing members between them. If not, they will have to obtain a waiver.

If they can’t maintain 6 schools between the two they need to fold up their tents.
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
(06-26-2022 03:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The WAC-ASUN deal is an awkward marriage of convenience. The WAC has a path to 6 if UTRGV follows through and room for a 7th if they can ever talk a D2 into moving up but the ASUN has no such path. The Queens add made zero sense for an aspirational football conference.

Both of these groups are seriously hamstrung by lack of cohesion and differing goals and objectives. Tarleton St and EKU aren’t in it for the long haul—they just want it to hold together until they get an FBS invite.

You’ve got schools who want these leagues to be successful and then you’ve got schools who tagged along into these wndsavors because it looked like that was the way the wind was blowing but now they probably regret it (S Utah, UCA, Austin Peay)

It is a marriage of convenience but one which provides sufficient time to sort out some of the issues you mention. If Tarleton or EKU get ‘the call’ and leave it doesn’t send either conference into panic mode, ready to take the first NAIA school with sn interest in moving up.

It would have been nice fir the WAC schools to have gotten in the same page about FCs v FBs at the outset but that didn’t happen. Instead schools promised to look at whether a move to FBs was in their best interest. In the end, Tarleton, Sam Houston and New Mexico State were the only ones ready to go that route. The rest don’t have the resources to make it work
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
I don't think extending it 5 years makes sense with how fluid everything is, I think they'll just keep extending it by a year at a time until it no longer makes sense to do.
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(06-27-2022 12:51 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I don't think extending it 5 years makes sense with how fluid everything is, I think they'll just keep extending it by a year at a time until it no longer makes sense to do.

My thinking was a year-to-year agreement simply adds to the uncertainty.
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
(06-27-2022 01:35 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(06-27-2022 12:51 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I don't think extending it 5 years makes sense with how fluid everything is, I think they'll just keep extending it by a year at a time until it no longer makes sense to do.

My thinking was a year-to-year agreement simply adds to the uncertainty.

Right, and what happens to the arrangement when one side manages to get 6 (the WAC with Utah Tech, S Utah, Tarleton St, SF Austin, ACU, and UTRGV would qualify) ? Is the ASUN just set. Adrift?

The Southland has shored things up—no one is going to be pulling schools from there. Even the OVC, with their deal with the Big South, has given themselves some decent footing.

Neither the ASUN or the WAC really have any options as far as additional members go.
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RE: The WAC-ASUN football alliance should be extended 5 years
(06-27-2022 03:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(06-27-2022 01:35 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(06-27-2022 12:51 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I don't think extending it 5 years makes sense with how fluid everything is, I think they'll just keep extending it by a year at a time until it no longer makes sense to do.

My thinking was a year-to-year agreement simply adds to the uncertainty.

Right, and what happens to the arrangement when one side manages to get 6 (the WAC with Utah Tech, S Utah, Tarleton St, SF Austin, ACU, and UTRGV would qualify) ? Is the ASUN just set. Adrift?

The Southland has shored things up—no one is going to be pulling schools from there. Even the OVC, with their deal with the Big South, has given themselves some decent footing.

Neither the ASUN or the WAC really have any options as far as additional members go.

Question: How was Liberty allowed to remain independent in football when the ASUN sponsored football?
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(06-27-2022 03:46 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  
(06-27-2022 03:29 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(06-27-2022 01:35 PM)OscarWildeCat Wrote:  
(06-27-2022 12:51 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I don't think extending it 5 years makes sense with how fluid everything is, I think they'll just keep extending it by a year at a time until it no longer makes sense to do.

My thinking was a year-to-year agreement simply adds to the uncertainty.

Right, and what happens to the arrangement when one side manages to get 6 (the WAC with Utah Tech, S Utah, Tarleton St, SF Austin, ACU, and UTRGV would qualify) ? Is the ASUN just set. Adrift?

The Southland has shored things up—no one is going to be pulling schools from there. Even the OVC, with their deal with the Big South, has given themselves some decent footing.

Neither the ASUN or the WAC really have any options as far as additional members go.

Question: How was Liberty allowed to remain independent in football when the ASUN sponsored football?

Because LU didn't support FCS football. Same with Army and Patriot League.
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