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(06-20-2022 09:30 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In the course of college football, who were some of the best teams who missed out on earning the distinction of national champions?

1994 Penn State--undefeated; leapfrogged by Nebraska for beating Indiana by only 13.
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(06-20-2022 03:25 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  2002 Miami Hurricanes

Beat me to it...
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(06-20-2022 04:09 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 04:02 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  2014 Georgia Tech
2004 Auburn
1998 Georgia Tech
1991 Penn State
1988 Michigan
1982 Florida State
1975 Arkansas
1966 Purdue
1955 Georgia Tech
1950 Wyoming

2014? A 3 loss team that lost at home to Duke and to a 6-7 UNC team? Really?
I did not rank them in order, just listed my top 10, went by year. However in 2014, GT had three losses that year by a combined point total of 13! (Duke, UNC, FSU ACCCG). Yes, Duke was a loss, and I must point out that Duke was having their best three years in school history in 2013 thru 2015. You would have to go back to 1933 thru 1941 to see that type of success with DUKE Football. The 2014 Yellow Jackets beat SBC Champs (GA Southern), #19 Clemson, #9 Georgia, & #7 Miss State. To think they were picked to finish sixth in the division, with pundits wondering whether Paul Johnson's early magic had worn off and talk about how he should be fired. Coach Johnson & Georgia Tech proved the doubters wrong all season. Had they gotten into the 2014 CFP Playoffs, it would have be interesting to see what they could have done. So yea, I think they are one of the better teams not to win a Natty!

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(06-20-2022 10:06 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 09:30 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In the course of college football, who were some of the best teams who missed out on earning the distinction of national champions?

1994 Penn State--undefeated; leapfrogged by Nebraska for beating Indiana by only 13.

And then the following week Nebraska beats a winless Iowa State team by only 16... nothing.

Double standard.
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1988 Miami Hurricanes:

- Beat #1 Florida State 31-0
- Beat Big Ten champ Michigan in Ann Arbor
- Beat #11 LSU in Baton Rouge
- Beat #8 Arkansas
- Beat Big 8 champ Nebraska in the Orange Bowl

And that's not even getting into the questionable officiating in South Bend that season.
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(06-21-2022 06:42 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  1988 Miami Hurricanes:

- Beat #1 Florida State 31-0
- Beat Big Ten champ Michigan in Ann Arbor
- Beat #11 LSU in Baton Rouge
- Beat #8 Arkansas
- Beat Big 8 champ Nebraska in the Orange Bowl

And that's not even getting into the questionable officiating in South Bend that season.

Yeah, they were a top team.

Basically, every Miami team from 1986 - 1991 was national title winning level. They either won it or came within a smidge, like the 1986 (even better than 1988, IMO) or 1988 teams. Even 1990 team lost two games, ambushed on the road in game one by Ty Detmer and then a tough loss to a very talented Notre Dame team in another.

They beat #3 Texas by 40 points in the Cotton Bowl, I think they would have beaten the piss out of co-champ Georgia Tech had they played.

Basically, all those Miami teams were really really good, like the USC teams Carroll fielded from 2002 - 2008.
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(06-20-2022 04:43 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 04:09 PM)Just Joe Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 04:02 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  2014 Georgia Tech
2004 Auburn
1998 Georgia Tech
1991 Penn State
1988 Michigan
1982 Florida State
1975 Arkansas
1966 Purdue
1955 Georgia Tech
1950 Wyoming

2014? A 3 loss team that lost at home to Duke and to a 6-7 UNC team? Really?
I did not rank them in order, just listed my top 10, went by year. However in 2014, GT had three losses that year by a combined point total of 13! (Duke, UNC, FSU ACCCG). Yes, Duke was a loss, and I must point out that Duke was having their best three years in school history in 2013 thru 2015. You would have to go back to 1933 thru 1941 to see that type of success with DUKE Football. The 2014 Yellow Jackets beat SBC Champs (GA Southern), #19 Clemson, #9 Georgia, & #7 Miss State. To think they were picked to finish sixth in the division, with pundits wondering whether Paul Johnson's early magic had worn off and talk about how he should be fired. Coach Johnson & Georgia Tech proved the doubters wrong all season. Had they gotten into the 2014 CFP Playoffs, it would have be interesting to see what they could have done. So yea, I think they are one of the better teams not to win a Natty!

I'm sorry, but I just can't see a three-loss team that didn't beat anyone ranked higher than #7 as one of the best teams not to be named champ just doesn't resonate with me at all.

They weren't among the 3 or 4 best teams not to win that year, IMO.
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1980 Pitt Panthers

18 starters and five reserves went on to start in the NFL. 11 players drafted that season, 4 future players in Canton, 7 first round picks off of the team. 1 mid-season loss at Tallahassee. Finished 11-1 and outscored opponents 380-130, #1 defense, held opponents to 1.5 yards per rush, #1 in NYT computer poll, finished #2 in both the AP and UPI.

https://observer-reporter.com/columns/jo...38e08.html

http://blackandgoldworld.blogspot.com/20...teams.html
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(06-20-2022 09:48 AM)cottager Wrote:  1983 Nebraska

Yep, Turner Gill and Mike Rozier (Heisman winner) ran the option to perfection that year. They steam rolled everyone they played all season (including #4 Penn State 44-6) [/align]only to lose to Miami in the Orange Bowl 31-30 with the classic failed two point opportunity.
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(06-20-2022 09:48 AM)cottager Wrote:  1983 Nebraska

Yep, Turner Gill and Mike Rozier (Heisman winner) ran the option to perfection that year. They steam rolled everyone they played all season (including #4 Penn State 44-6) [/align]only to lose to Miami in the Orange Bowl 31-30 with the classic failed two point opportunity.

Yeah, I should have put 1983 UNL on my list as well - fantastic team.
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(06-21-2022 08:20 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  1980 Pitt Panthers

18 starters and five reserves went on to start in the NFL. 11 players drafted that season, 4 future players in Canton, 7 first round picks off of the team. 1 mid-season loss at Tallahassee. Finished 11-1 and outscored opponents 380-130, #1 defense, held opponents to 1.5 yards per rush, #1 in NYT computer poll, finished #2 in both the AP and UPI.

https://observer-reporter.com/columns/jo...38e08.html

http://blackandgoldworld.blogspot.com/20...teams.html

IIRC, Pitt's problem that year was the schedule. They played a soft schedule that didn't give them much chance to shine. They played two good teams that year, both on the road. They lost decisively to FSU and eeked past Penn State, so those showcase games were not impressive. Maybe if ND had beaten undefeated Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, Pitt would have been voted #1, but I suspect the Irish would have jumped them despite a loss and a tie.

No question, though, from the mid-1970s to the early 1980s, the Dorsett and Marino years, Pitt was consistently in the upper echelon of the national conversation. They were an elite program then.
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(06-20-2022 09:30 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In the course of college football, who were some of the best teams who missed out on earning the distinction of national champions?

1994 Penn State--undefeated; leapfrogged by Nebraska for beating Indiana by only 13.

After leading 35-7 with 3 minutes to go.
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(06-21-2022 07:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 06:42 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  1988 Miami Hurricanes:

- Beat #1 Florida State 31-0
- Beat Big Ten champ Michigan in Ann Arbor
- Beat #11 LSU in Baton Rouge
- Beat #8 Arkansas
- Beat Big 8 champ Nebraska in the Orange Bowl

And that's not even getting into the questionable officiating in South Bend that season.

Yeah, they were a top team.

Basically, every Miami team from 1986 - 1991 was national title winning level. They either won it or came within a smidge, like the 1986 (even better than 1988, IMO) or 1988 teams. Even 1990 team lost two games, ambushed on the road in game one by Ty Detmer and then a tough loss to a very talented Notre Dame team in another.

They beat #3 Texas by 40 points in the Cotton Bowl, I think they would have beaten the piss out of co-champ Georgia Tech had they played.

Basically, all those Miami teams were really really good, like the USC teams Carroll fielded from 2002 - 2008.

You can say the same thing about most of the Florida State teams in that era as well.
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1987 Syracuse. 11-0-1 with a tie against Auburn in the Sugar Bowl.
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(06-21-2022 08:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 08:20 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  1980 Pitt Panthers

18 starters and five reserves went on to start in the NFL. 11 players drafted that season, 4 future players in Canton, 7 first round picks off of the team. 1 mid-season loss at Tallahassee. Finished 11-1 and outscored opponents 380-130, #1 defense, held opponents to 1.5 yards per rush, #1 in NYT computer poll, finished #2 in both the AP and UPI.

https://observer-reporter.com/columns/jo...38e08.html

http://blackandgoldworld.blogspot.com/20...teams.html

IIRC, Pitt's problem that year was the schedule. They played a soft schedule that didn't give them much chance to shine. They played two good teams that year, both on the road. They lost decisively to FSU and eeked past Penn State, so those showcase games were not impressive. Maybe if ND had beaten undefeated Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, Pitt would have been voted #1, but I suspect the Irish would have jumped them despite a loss and a tie.

No question, though, from the mid-1970s to the early 1980s, the Dorsett and Marino years, Pitt was consistently in the upper echelon of the national conversation. They were an elite program then.

Pitt played then #11 FSU and #5 PSU on the road. Georgia also played only 2 ranked teams in the regular season, squeaking by then #14 South Carolina at home by 3 (who Pitt destroyed in their bowl game by 28) and winning at #20 Florida by 5. Common opponent Tennessee: Georgia won 16-15 at Neyland, Pitt won at Neyland 30-6.

Not the schedule at all. Bowl bids were given out much earlier, in November, before the USC game that ND lost when ND only had a tie at GT and before Pitt won at then #5 PSU, so those performances didn't factor at all. Georgia was undefeated and ranked #1 which is why they got into the Sugar. ND had only a tie against GT at the time and was ranked, at the time of the bowl bid, #2. So the Sugar took two undefeateds at the time of the bowl bid and ND is ND; the Pitt-PSU game had yet to be played and was a toss up between two top 5 major rivals so the Sugar wasn't looking to take a possible 2-loss team with #2, 1-tie ND available. If bowl bids had been given out after the regular season was completed, Pitt may have gotten the Sugar invite and won the title. On paper, and based on common opponents, Pitt would have beaten both Georgia and ND handily under normal circumstances.

Bobby Bowden: "I've said it many times: In all my years of coaching, that Pitt team was the best college football team I have ever seen." So the answer to this question was at least clear to Bobby Bowden.
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(06-20-2022 09:30 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  In the course of college football, who were some of the best teams who missed out on earning the distinction of national champions?

1994 Penn State--undefeated; leapfrogged by Nebraska for beating Indiana by only 13.

1994 Penn State is the one team on my list that IMO deserved a share of the title that year. They and Nebraska should have been co-champs, one voted #1 in the AP, the other in the Coaches poll. It's too bad UNL got both votes, and I would say the same if Penn State had gotten both votes.
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(06-21-2022 07:12 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 06:42 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  1988 Miami Hurricanes:

- Beat #1 Florida State 31-0
- Beat Big Ten champ Michigan in Ann Arbor
- Beat #11 LSU in Baton Rouge
- Beat #8 Arkansas
- Beat Big 8 champ Nebraska in the Orange Bowl

And that's not even getting into the questionable officiating in South Bend that season.

Yeah, they were a top team.

Basically, every Miami team from 1986 - 1991 was national title winning level. They either won it or came within a smidge, like the 1986 (even better than 1988, IMO) or 1988 teams. Even 1990 team lost two games, ambushed on the road in game one by Ty Detmer and then a tough loss to a very talented Notre Dame team in another.

They beat #3 Texas by 40 points in the Cotton Bowl, I think they would have beaten the piss out of co-champ Georgia Tech had they played.

Basically, all those Miami teams were really really good, like the USC teams Carroll fielded from 2002 - 2008.

You can say the same thing about most of the Florida State teams in that era as well.

Yes.

For FSU, I would say their era where that was true was 1991 - 2000. For ten straight years, they basically had a title-contending team. And for three years before then, they were really close.
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(06-21-2022 09:04 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 08:20 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  1980 Pitt Panthers

18 starters and five reserves went on to start in the NFL. 11 players drafted that season, 4 future players in Canton, 7 first round picks off of the team. 1 mid-season loss at Tallahassee. Finished 11-1 and outscored opponents 380-130, #1 defense, held opponents to 1.5 yards per rush, #1 in NYT computer poll, finished #2 in both the AP and UPI.

https://observer-reporter.com/columns/jo...38e08.html

http://blackandgoldworld.blogspot.com/20...teams.html

IIRC, Pitt's problem that year was the schedule. They played a soft schedule that didn't give them much chance to shine. They played two good teams that year, both on the road. They lost decisively to FSU and eeked past Penn State, so those showcase games were not impressive. Maybe if ND had beaten undefeated Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, Pitt would have been voted #1, but I suspect the Irish would have jumped them despite a loss and a tie.

No question, though, from the mid-1970s to the early 1980s, the Dorsett and Marino years, Pitt was consistently in the upper echelon of the national conversation. They were an elite program then.

Pitt played then #11 FSU and #5 PSU on the road. Georgia also played only 2 ranked teams in the regular season, squeaking by then #14 South Carolina at home by 3 (who Pitt destroyed in their bowl game by 28) and winning at #20 Florida by 5. Common opponent Tennessee: Georgia won 16-15 at Neyland, Pitt won at Neyland 30-6.

Not the schedule at all. Bowl bids were given out much earlier, in November, before the USC game ND lost when ND only had a tie at GT and before Pitt won at then #5 PSU, so those performances didn't factor at all. Georgia was undefeated which is why they got into the Sugar. ND had only a tie against GT at the time. So the Sugar took two undefeateds at the time of the bowl bid and ND is ND; the Pitt-PSU game was a toss up between two top 5 major rivals so they weren't risking taking a possible 2-loss team. If bowl bids were given out after the regular season was completed, Pitt gets the Sugar invite and wins the title. On paper, Pitt would have beaten both Georgia and ND handily under normal circumstances.

IMO, the schedule was a factor. It hurt Pitt because when they lost, it knocked them back and they didn't have the ability to recover in the polls.

But sure, the biggest factor was Georgia being unbeaten. Had Georgia lost a game and had Pitt been undefeated, Pitt would have been #1 going in to the bowls and would have played for the title. And yes, the timing of the bowl bids hurt Pitt as well.

In the end, though, we don't know who would have won games between Pitt - ND and Pitt - Georgia.
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(06-21-2022 09:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 08:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 08:20 AM)CrazyPaco Wrote:  1980 Pitt Panthers

18 starters and five reserves went on to start in the NFL. 11 players drafted that season, 4 future players in Canton, 7 first round picks off of the team. 1 mid-season loss at Tallahassee. Finished 11-1 and outscored opponents 380-130, #1 defense, held opponents to 1.5 yards per rush, #1 in NYT computer poll, finished #2 in both the AP and UPI.

https://observer-reporter.com/columns/jo...38e08.html

http://blackandgoldworld.blogspot.com/20...teams.html

IIRC, Pitt's problem that year was the schedule. They played a soft schedule that didn't give them much chance to shine. They played two good teams that year, both on the road. They lost decisively to FSU and eeked past Penn State, so those showcase games were not impressive. Maybe if ND had beaten undefeated Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, Pitt would have been voted #1, but I suspect the Irish would have jumped them despite a loss and a tie.

No question, though, from the mid-1970s to the early 1980s, the Dorsett and Marino years, Pitt was consistently in the upper echelon of the national conversation. They were an elite program then.

Pitt played then #11 FSU and #5 PSU on the road. Georgia also played only 2 ranked teams in the regular season, squeaking by then #14 South Carolina at home by 3 (who Pitt destroyed in their bowl game by 28) and winning at #20 Florida by 5. Common opponent Tennessee: Georgia won 16-15 at Neyland, Pitt won at Neyland 30-6.

Not the schedule at all. Bowl bids were given out much earlier, in November, before the USC game ND lost when ND only had a tie at GT and before Pitt won at then #5 PSU, so those performances didn't factor at all. Georgia was undefeated which is why they got into the Sugar. ND had only a tie against GT at the time. So the Sugar took two undefeateds at the time of the bowl bid and ND is ND; the Pitt-PSU game was a toss up between two top 5 major rivals so they weren't risking taking a possible 2-loss team. If bowl bids were given out after the regular season was completed, Pitt gets the Sugar invite and wins the title. On paper, Pitt would have beaten both Georgia and ND handily under normal circumstances.

IMO, the schedule was a factor. It hurt Pitt because when they lost, it knocked them back and they didn't have the ability to recover in the polls.

But sure, the biggest factor was Georgia being unbeaten. Had Georgia lost a game and had Pitt been undefeated, Pitt would have been #1 going in to the bowls and would have played for the title. And yes, the timing of the bowl bids hurt Pitt as well.

In the end, though, we don't know who would have won games between Pitt - ND and Pitt - Georgia.

Nope, schedule was not a factor. Loss and bowl selection timing was. Pitt dropped to 12 and climbed back to #3. Two undefeated in front of them at the time of the selection. Losses and timing of bowl invites were the factors. Pitt lost a game and that is all there is to it, considering the bowl invites came out in November before ND lost and Pitt won at #5 PSU.

I agree, we don't know who would win; we can only have common opponents to look at to form an opinion.
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