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(06-21-2022 05:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Imagine seeing this score one Saturday night. Rowan 55 Rutgers 40 in college football.

If any program could pull that off, it's Rutgers
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(06-21-2022 05:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Imagine seeing this score one Saturday night. Rowan 55 Rutgers 40 in college football.

Which conference do you foresee Rowan rising into?
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(06-21-2022 05:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Imagine seeing this score one Saturday night. Rowan 55 Rutgers 40 in college football. With Rutgers having issues with controversies with their football program in recent years? New Jersey needs another public school playing football that will not bring controversies.

In my best Brooklynese, GTFO with that nonsense. Sure, I imagine I will be a multi-billionaire as well.

I am pretty confident, that FBS is not in the cards for Rowan in any of our lifetimes.
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I read this article a couple of days ago, but now the link is telling me I need a subscription to read the article. If I remember the story correctly, the president of Rowan thinks he is going to double the enrollment, triple the endowment and find $500m in new construction that won't cost the school anything. I don't remember the author doing any fact checking, like asking and confirming what company was in negotiations to build the $100m sports complex that Rowan was going to be the anchor tenant for. I also don't remember any followup questions being addressed, like where exactly do you see this money all coming from, are there major fund raising campaigns currently going on to cover possible future scholarships? Or, in an age when college enrollment nationally and HS enrollment in NJ are seeing significant reductions, where are the additional students coming from? What I read was an article with a lot of "can," "could" in it, but not many facts. It read more like a post on one of the realignment threads.

I wouldn't say this will never happen, because you never know. That being said, I've heard this song before about Montclair State and Kean going back to the early 1980's. New Jersey is not a college sports hot bed the way other states are. Hell, Rutgers and Seton Hall are both members of power conferences and the two of them barely get any local press. Rowan would need a D1 conference invite, so the NJIT rout is out. Rowan could still have a shot, because it is located way South of all the other D1 schools, so there COULD be a niche for it.

A public, R1 research university with 40k students does not fit the profile of the NEC, MAAC or Patriot (even though all three are headquartered locally). They are overwhelmingly populated with small, private, liberal arts colleges. In each case at a projected 40k, Rowan would have a bigger enrollment than the next three largest schools combined. So chances of an invite to any of them is really slim. The CAA which at least has large state schools as members, already has market saturation with UDel, Monmouth, Drexel/Nova in that area. The AAC has become an increasingly southern focused conference, that as the self-proclaimed P6 isn't going to take a recent D1 call-up as a member. That leaves only the AEC as a possible landing spot, with football parked in the Big South or membership in a desperate MEAC.

As for the waiver idea that's just message board fantasy. There are at least three different D2 conferences with members in NJ or PA that Rowan could join as it tries to transition. So that means if everything goes as planned with no hiccups and a conference invite, we are looking at ten years before Rowan could be D1.
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(06-20-2022 04:51 AM)RutgersMike Wrote:  Rowan University has improved their academic profile since Henry Rowan have $100,000,000 to Glassboro State College. They changed their name to Rowan and eventually upgraded to university status. However, Henry Rowan has passed away and Rowan has no other booster to fund a transition to Division 1-AA or much less D-1A.

The current President of Rowan is talking a bunch of BS about Rowan being the “first” NJ college to have a veterinarian science program. Gee, I graduated from Cook College, the land grant part of Rutgers and several of my friends and classmates graduated with veterinarian science degrees. And that was in the 1980’s.

I have lived in South Jersey all of my life and Rowan does not have the infrastructure to merit a D-1AA or D-1A invite. Name a conference which will invite Rowan? The CAA? Villanova, Delaware and now Monmouth will give the thumbs down. The Patriot? As soon as they stop laughing at that idea, another thumbs down. Let’s say they go independent for football. Where are they going to park their Olympic sports? Good luck with the MAAC, the NEC or the America East.

I was going to say that it sounds like you know your stuff. Maybe the Rowan University president doesn't regard Rutgers as a New Jersey university, even though Rutgers definitely advertises itself as "New Jersey's flagship."
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(06-21-2022 07:04 PM)GreatDane96 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 05:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Imagine seeing this score one Saturday night. Rowan 55 Rutgers 40 in college football. With Rutgers having issues with controversies with their football program in recent years? New Jersey needs another public school playing football that will not bring controversies.

In my best Brooklynese, GTFO with that nonsense. Sure, I imagine I will be a multi-billionaire as well.

I am pretty confident, that FBS is not in the cards for Rowan in any of our lifetimes.


I did not say FBS. An FCS win over and FBS win.
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(06-22-2022 01:30 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 07:04 PM)GreatDane96 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 05:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Imagine seeing this score one Saturday night. Rowan 55 Rutgers 40 in college football. With Rutgers having issues with controversies with their football program in recent years? New Jersey needs another public school playing football that will not bring controversies.

In my best Brooklynese, GTFO with that nonsense. Sure, I imagine I will be a multi-billionaire as well.

I am pretty confident, that FBS is not in the cards for Rowan in any of our lifetimes.


I did not say FBS. An FCS win over and FBS win.

Come on now. Let me get this straight-- with Rutgers having issues with controversies and Rowan playing Rutgers and winning, you are literally trying to tell me you meant that an FCS school in South Jersey would overtake Rutgers that would be at the level where it would be in the eye of the population so it would displace Rutgers as the school without issues?

Please...you meant FBS.
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(06-21-2022 08:12 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  I read this article a couple of days ago, but now the link is telling me I need a subscription to read the article. If I remember the story correctly, the president of Rowan thinks he is going to double the enrollment, triple the endowment and find $500m in new construction that won't cost the school anything. I don't remember the author doing any fact checking, like asking and confirming what company was in negotiations to build the $100m sports complex that Rowan was going to be the anchor tenant for. I also don't remember any followup questions being addressed, like where exactly do you see this money all coming from, are there major fund raising campaigns currently going on to cover possible future scholarships? Or, in an age when college enrollment nationally and HS enrollment in NJ are seeing significant reductions, where are the additional students coming from? What I read was an article with a lot of "can," "could" in it, but not many facts. It read more like a post on one of the realignment threads.

I wouldn't say this will never happen, because you never know. That being said, I've heard this song before about Montclair State and Kean going back to the early 1980's. New Jersey is not a college sports hot bed the way other states are. Hell, Rutgers and Seton Hall are both members of power conferences and the two of them barely get any local press. Rowan would need a D1 conference invite, so the NJIT rout is out. Rowan could still have a shot, because it is located way South of all the other D1 schools, so there COULD be a niche for it.

A public, R1 research university with 40k students does not fit the profile of the NEC, MAAC or Patriot (even though all three are headquartered locally). They are overwhelmingly populated with small, private, liberal arts colleges. In each case at a projected 40k, Rowan would have a bigger enrollment than the next three largest schools combined. So chances of an invite to any of them is really slim. The CAA which at least has large state schools as members, already has market saturation with UDel, Monmouth, Drexel/Nova in that area. The AAC has become an increasingly southern focused conference, that as the self-proclaimed P6 isn't going to take a recent D1 call-up as a member. That leaves only the AEC as a possible landing spot, with football parked in the Big South or membership in a desperate MEAC.

As for the waiver idea that's just message board fantasy. There are at least three different D2 conferences with members in NJ or PA that Rowan could join as it tries to transition. So that means if everything goes as planned with no hiccups and a conference invite, we are looking at ten years before Rowan could be D1.

Rowan University has grown by leaps and bounds since the huge donation and name change. Besides large increases in enrollment and programs, they have a medical school and an osteopathic medical school. And assuming they get the necessary accreditations, they will have the first veterinary school in NJ, offering a DVM. So they appear to have designs to be a second large state university, just as most states with even half the population of NJ have two major state universities.

Montclair State has improved their status by becoming a university even before the requirements to becoming a university were eased. They still have continued their growth, but I don’t think they intended to become another Rutgers. And I don’t think they ever had ambitions to move their athletics from Div III.

I could see Rowan still trying to move up to Div I. The main difference between Divisions II and III is the scholarship model. There is not a significant difference in facilities between Division II and III. In fact, my guess is that Rowan’s athletic facilities are better than most Div II schools in NJ and nearby states. The biggest obstacle is going to find a Div II conference who is willing to invite a school that has no intention in staying in Div II. Frankly, I don’t think it was right for Div I to institute this requirement after Div II had marketed itself as more of a destination division.

If the above rule is changed, or Rowan manages to get a Div II invite and improves their athletics facilities sufficiently, I don’t think they will have a problem getting an invite from a Div I conference. Could they make it to FBS? Probably not, at least not in my lifetime.

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They'd be pretty limited conference wise in D2. I'd think only the PSAC or East Coast Conference would even consider them, and even the ECC is almost all private schools.
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(06-22-2022 11:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  They'd be pretty limited conference wise in D2. I'd think only the PSAC or East Coast Conference would even consider them, and even the ECC is almost all private schools.

At 18 members, the PSAC is out. All ECC members are private except for the two CUNY schools. The ECC would be a good fit for Rowan with all sports but field hockey, football, and swimming & diving. The NE10 has enough field hockey teams with 14 but could use the football. While it's opposite in the PSAC with 16 football teams and could accommodate field hockey. Swimming is not an issue. Rowan being a full NE10 member is a good 2nd choice as they have all Rowan sports.
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(06-23-2022 01:17 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 11:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  They'd be pretty limited conference wise in D2. I'd think only the PSAC or East Coast Conference would even consider them, and even the ECC is almost all private schools.

At 18 members, the PSAC is out. All ECC members are private except for the two CUNY schools. The ECC would be a good fit for Rowan with all sports but field hockey, football, and swimming & diving. The NE10 has enough field hockey teams with 14 but could use the football. While it's opposite in the PSAC with 16 football teams and could accommodate field hockey. Swimming is not an issue. Rowan being a full NE10 member is a good 2nd choice as they have all Rowan sports.


PSAC could lose 1 school as Mercyhurst is interested in D1 as.
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(06-23-2022 03:37 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 01:17 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 11:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  They'd be pretty limited conference wise in D2. I'd think only the PSAC or East Coast Conference would even consider them, and even the ECC is almost all private schools.

At 18 members, the PSAC is out. All ECC members are private except for the two CUNY schools. The ECC would be a good fit for Rowan with all sports but field hockey, football, and swimming & diving. The NE10 has enough field hockey teams with 14 but could use the football. While it's opposite in the PSAC with 16 football teams and could accommodate field hockey. Swimming is not an issue. Rowan being a full NE10 member is a good 2nd choice as they have all Rowan sports.


PSAC could lose 1 school as Mercyhurst is interested in D1 as.

Let's stay on topic and keep this thread about Rowan. We're doing fine without bringing in other fantasies to complicate matters.
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(06-23-2022 06:26 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 03:37 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 01:17 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 11:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  They'd be pretty limited conference wise in D2. I'd think only the PSAC or East Coast Conference would even consider them, and even the ECC is almost all private schools.

At 18 members, the PSAC is out. All ECC members are private except for the two CUNY schools. The ECC would be a good fit for Rowan with all sports but field hockey, football, and swimming & diving. The NE10 has enough field hockey teams with 14 but could use the football. While it's opposite in the PSAC with 16 football teams and could accommodate field hockey. Swimming is not an issue. Rowan being a full NE10 member is a good 2nd choice as they have all Rowan sports.


PSAC could lose 1 school as Mercyhurst is interested in D1 as.

Let's stay on topic and keep this thread about Rowan. We're doing fine without bringing in other fantasies to complicate matters.

I, for one, do not like seeing threads go off topic. But it appears that a huge obstacle for Rowan upgrading to Div I is finding temporary membership in a Div II conference. So this discussion is relevant to Rowan.

Regarding this, the ECC may be the best option. They may be able to use an additional school, even if temporary. They currently have ten members, and are losing one to the CACC. They would also be a bridge to UDC with the rest of the conference.

Note: Even though the CACC is the only Div II conference with NJ schools, Rowan is very different from the member schools, and would not be a good fit.

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(06-23-2022 08:48 AM)Pat125 Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 06:26 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 03:37 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 01:17 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 11:45 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  They'd be pretty limited conference wise in D2. I'd think only the PSAC or East Coast Conference would even consider them, and even the ECC is almost all private schools.

At 18 members, the PSAC is out. All ECC members are private except for the two CUNY schools. The ECC would be a good fit for Rowan with all sports but field hockey, football, and swimming & diving. The NE10 has enough field hockey teams with 14 but could use the football. While it's opposite in the PSAC with 16 football teams and could accommodate field hockey. Swimming is not an issue. Rowan being a full NE10 member is a good 2nd choice as they have all Rowan sports.


PSAC could lose 1 school as Mercyhurst is interested in D1 as.

Let's stay on topic and keep this thread about Rowan. We're doing fine without bringing in other fantasies to complicate matters.

I, for one, do not like seeing threads go off topic. But it appears that a huge obstacle for Rowan upgrading to Div I is finding temporary membership in a Div II conference. So this discussion is relevant to Rowan.

Regarding this, the ECC may be the best option. They may be able to use an additional school, even if temporary. They currently have ten members, and are losing one to the CACC. They would also be a bridge to UDC with the rest of the conference.

Note: Even though the CACC is the only Div II conference with NJ schools, Rowan is very different from the member schools, and would not be a good fit.

NJTerp

Agree. Discussing D2 conferences as an option for Rowan is relevant. Bringing up Mercyhurst and D1 is not.
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NE-10 is looking for members

Looks like LeMoyne is going to upgrade to D-1. MAAC or NEC
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Just as an aside, this interview is so ground shaking in NJ that none of the top 12 news sites for NJ have any mention of it. That's when I got bored of searching. Frankly, this story only appearing in a business/real-estate publication should be an indicator of what kind of legs it has. There is zero interest in it. In fact, if you do a Google search about Rowan moving to D1, other than the original white paper, all the top results come back to posts on this website.
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(06-23-2022 02:43 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 08:48 AM)Pat125 Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 06:26 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 03:37 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 01:17 AM)AZcats Wrote:  At 18 members, the PSAC is out. All ECC members are private except for the two CUNY schools. The ECC would be a good fit for Rowan with all sports but field hockey, football, and swimming & diving. The NE10 has enough field hockey teams with 14 but could use the football. While it's opposite in the PSAC with 16 football teams and could accommodate field hockey. Swimming is not an issue. Rowan being a full NE10 member is a good 2nd choice as they have all Rowan sports.


PSAC could lose 1 school as Mercyhurst is interested in D1 as.

Let's stay on topic and keep this thread about Rowan. We're doing fine without bringing in other fantasies to complicate matters.

I, for one, do not like seeing threads go off topic. But it appears that a huge obstacle for Rowan upgrading to Div I is finding temporary membership in a Div II conference. So this discussion is relevant to Rowan.

Regarding this, the ECC may be the best option. They may be able to use an additional school, even if temporary. They currently have ten members, and are losing one to the CACC. They would also be a bridge to UDC with the rest of the conference.

Note: Even though the CACC is the only Div II conference with NJ schools, Rowan is very different from the member schools, and would not be a good fit.

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Agree. Discussing D2 conferences as an option for Rowan is relevant. Bringing up Mercyhurst and D1 is not.


You brought up PSAC, and I only reminding you that Mercyhurst would bring PSAC down to 17. That would make room for Rowan as number 18 if and when Mercyhurst moves up.
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(06-23-2022 04:13 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  Just as an aside, this interview is so ground shaking in NJ that none of the top 12 news sites for NJ have any mention of it. That's when I got bored of searching. Frankly, this story only appearing in a business/real-estate publication should be an indicator of what kind of legs it has. There is zero interest in it. In fact, if you do a Google search about Rowan moving to D1, other than the original white paper, all the top results come back to posts on this website.

I think there's a non 0 amount of times where people on this board care more about a school's conference realignment than the students themselves care.
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(06-23-2022 04:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 02:43 PM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 08:48 AM)Pat125 Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 06:26 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 03:37 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  PSAC could lose 1 school as Mercyhurst is interested in D1 as.

Let's stay on topic and keep this thread about Rowan. We're doing fine without bringing in other fantasies to complicate matters.

I, for one, do not like seeing threads go off topic. But it appears that a huge obstacle for Rowan upgrading to Div I is finding temporary membership in a Div II conference. So this discussion is relevant to Rowan.

Regarding this, the ECC may be the best option. They may be able to use an additional school, even if temporary. They currently have ten members, and are losing one to the CACC. They would also be a bridge to UDC with the rest of the conference.

Note: Even though the CACC is the only Div II conference with NJ schools, Rowan is very different from the member schools, and would not be a good fit.

NJTerp

Agree. Discussing D2 conferences as an option for Rowan is relevant. Bringing up Mercyhurst and D1 is not.


You brought up PSAC, and I only reminding you that Mercyhurst would bring PSAC down to 17. That would make room for Rowan as number 18 if and when Mercyhurst moves up.

Yes, the PSAC (the conference) was brought up as an option for Rowan to affiliate with in field hockey; that is relevant and on topic while your Mercyhurst (a school) fantasy is off topic. And I don't need to be reminded of anything that you think might happen in D2.
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Maybe Rowan could move to DII and add ice hockey while they're waiting to move up to DI.
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