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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
(06-22-2022 07:10 PM)chester Wrote:  Side note, looks like the DI Transformation Committee is now digging into this stuff:

Quote:June 7

Overview of current Division I membership standards.

• The NCAA Division I Board of Directors charged the Transformation Committee with reviewing a model for new (or enhanced) membership obligations/requirements, including the appropriateness of a new subdivision, division or even differently defined categories of institutions (e.g., groups, leagues, consortiums).

• The Transformation Committee began its review with a summary of the current legislated membership requirements.

• The committee requested historical information related to the evolution of membership requirements and data related to current sports sponsorship levels and financial aid minimums for review during its next meeting

May17-June7Minutes.pdf

There will not be 362 schools in the top division in a few years.
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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
(06-22-2022 01:08 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 07:33 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 12:50 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:55 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(06-19-2022 09:22 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Based off the thread about Kliavikoff, I would say yes, to a degree. I am sure that our FCS posters have some thoughts on this, so let's hear 'em!!!

I think it makes more sense - and as likely - that fake college sports teams like Alabama and Georgia join the professional ranks.

Georgia's "NBA" level team according to you, Sitting Bull, owns only one win vs your William & Mary Tribe. However, that lone win is all that we have against you because you ran from us. But I can see why considering that we beat you 77-44.

click the link yourself:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla...=date_game

As for Alabama, I checked the last time the Tide bothered to play the Tribe in men's basketball. I did a thorough check and found nothing.

Alabama's basketball team is slated to get a new arena, so I suppose it is possible that a Tribe fan could be very jealous of that.

For starters, my error, I didn’t take your thread as strictly regarding basketball, particularly when you threw in the FCS label which is football related. So no, I would never associate Georgia or Alabama even remotely as NBA level programs. I think both would struggle to be mid tier teams in many smaller school conferences.

For W&M, the SEC doesn’t register much basketball interest, especially since we sit in ACC country. No one is pining for games with Alabama when we can play Virginia, Duke and North Carolina - all teams we have beaten before. We also have wins over Auburn and South Carolina - those are about as notable for us as wins over VMI and Furman. SEC basketball without Kentucky is a snooze fest.

And no, we’re not impressed with any arena updates at Alabama. We have our own upgrades.
https://tribeathletics.com/news/2022/5/1...piece.aspx


Here, let me rephrase what I was saying:

SEC
B1G
PAC-12
ACC
Big XII
MWC
AAC } new Div IA for basketball and
SBC Olympic sports
MAC
C-USA
Big East
Atlantic 10
WCC

CAA
Ivy League
Patriot League
Summit League } new Div IB for basketball and Olympic sports
A-Sun
MVC
Big Sky
Big West
etc.

Football stays the same.

Division IA goes to NCAA men's tournament and College world series tournament. Division IB goes to a different NCAA men's tournament (NIT maybe?) and to a different College World Series Tournament.

Now do you understand???

Just no. The P5 are not interested in schools that do not play football. No Big East, No A10 and no WCC schools in the mixed. That is why they are not wanted in any P5 conferences. If Villanova, St John's and Georgetown had FBS football? They could be picked up by ACC. That would mean Wichita State have to add football to stay with the AAC.
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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
(06-22-2022 11:26 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:15 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It will be divided by all sports 1A and 1AA. The basketball schools will be 1AA. It will become a FBS/FCS for all sports.

1A/FBS:
AAC + 1 with Wichita State adding football and Navy joins all sports.
ACC 14 + 1 adding Notre Dame football as all sports.
Big 12 12 they could add 4 to go 16.
Big 10 14
C-USA 9
MAC 12
MWC 12
PAC 12
SBC 14 with a possibility they add Chattanooga and Missouri State
SEC 16
Army could join AAC for all sports to get the AAC to 16.
UCONN joins all sports
UMass joins all sports.
Sacramento State
Cal Poly
Weber State
Montana
Idaho
Montana State
UCA
North Alabama
Austin Peay State
Kennesaw State
EKU
Delaware
Towson
North Carolina A&T
Stony Brook
New Hampshire
Richmond
Villanova could join the ACC for all sports.
MVFC forms a new FBS conference.
Tennessee State
Tennessee Tech
Lindenwood could go FBS which they could used the pro stadium that was abandoned.
Fordham
Dayton
University of Saint Thomas
Chattanooga
East Tennessee State
Western Carolina
McNeese State
Lamar
Florida A&M
Jackson State
Southern U.
Texas Southern
ACU
SFAU
Tarleton State
UTRGV
Utah Tech
Incarnate Word
Wayne State Michigan could used the stadium that the Lions used right now.
Indiapolis could used the Colts' stadium for right now.
West Florida
Angelo State
UTPB
West Texas A&M
Central Missouri
Central Oklahoma
Fort Hays State
West Chester
Colorado Mesa
CSU-Peublo
Rowan

Adding football to join this group.
Fullerton State
Northridge State
Long Beach State
UC-Irvine
UTT
College of Charleston
UC-San Diego
Little Rock
Grand Canyon
Utah Valley
UTA
George Mason
George Washington
VCU
Cleveland State
North Florida
FGCU
Green Bay
Milwaukee
Omaha
University of San Francisco
Santa Clara
CSU-San bernardino
San Francisco State
Sonoma State
Chico State
Southern Indiana
UAH
UAFS
Columbus State
North Georgia
Colo-Colorado Springs

I added D2 schools because once that there are playoffs involved in FBS, and that rules changes for schools upgrading from D2 are relaxed and that schools add football and other sports to be part of this. We could see some type of upgrading more schools from D2 from the larger schools to join the 1AA/FCS ranks. Then the FBS schools have can have votes for all sports that are in FBS and the FCS have their own seperate votes for their league of all sports. That way, nobody would get demoted to a lower level in the NCAAs. They only get promoted.

My eyes rolled up into my head when I read Sacramento St. Stopped reading after that.03-lmfao


Sacramento State already plays FBS sized stadium.
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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
(06-22-2022 07:20 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 07:10 PM)chester Wrote:  Side note, looks like the DI Transformation Committee is now digging into this stuff:

Quote:June 7

Overview of current Division I membership standards.

• The NCAA Division I Board of Directors charged the Transformation Committee with reviewing a model for new (or enhanced) membership obligations/requirements, including the appropriateness of a new subdivision, division or even differently defined categories of institutions (e.g., groups, leagues, consortiums).

• The Transformation Committee began its review with a summary of the current legislated membership requirements.

• The committee requested historical information related to the evolution of membership requirements and data related to current sports sponsorship levels and financial aid minimums for review during its next meeting

May17-June7Minutes.pdf

There will not be 362 schools in the top division in a few years.

You mean that 350+ schools will not have access to certain DI championships? 03-wink
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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
What is the difference between FBS and FCS? Scholarships and bowl eligibility? Can they flatten the rules?

1. 85 max scholarships, ~155 scholarships the last two years to count as a bowl eligible win
2. 11 game standard, a 12th game allowed but disqualifies team from NCAA playoff
3. bowls (and CFP) continue to operate on top of NCAA structure

Could even see the scholarship count being reduced to 65, and the power teams entice their players with NIL stuff.
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(06-23-2022 11:14 AM)Crayton Wrote:  What is the difference between FBS and FCS? Scholarships and bowl eligibility? Can they flatten the rules?

1. 85 max scholarships, ~155 scholarships the last two years to count as a bowl eligible win
2. 11 game standard, a 12th game allowed but disqualifies team from NCAA playoff
3. bowls (and CFP) continue to operate on top of NCAA structure

Could even see the scholarship count being reduced to 65, and the power teams entice their players with NIL stuff.

Yeah those are two differences but not it. Lots of FCS have really crappy facilities and are super barebones on university support. Some FCS conferences don’t have sport scholarships and just academic ones. Then you have the FCS conferences that limit the sports scholarships to less than 65. The issue is FCS has become a cost containment subdivision and FBS is the go hard in the paint division. Then you have those schools having voting rights lumped in with FBS schools.

The stuff you mentioned is great but if a school is willing to do that then they would of wanted to go FBS already. If they don’t which is the issue then we are back to the FBS conferences becoming a whole new division idea.
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RE: Is FCS going to be the new D2??? Excluding BE and A10
(06-23-2022 11:19 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote:  
(06-23-2022 11:14 AM)Crayton Wrote:  What is the difference between FBS and FCS? Scholarships and bowl eligibility? Can they flatten the rules?

1. 85 max scholarships, ~155 scholarships the last two years to count as a bowl eligible win
2. 11 game standard, a 12th game allowed but disqualifies team from NCAA playoff
3. bowls (and CFP) continue to operate on top of NCAA structure

Could even see the scholarship count being reduced to 65, and the power teams entice their players with NIL stuff.

Yeah those are two differences but not it. Lots of FCS have really crappy facilities and are super barebones on university support. Some FCS conferences don’t have sport scholarships and just academic ones. Then you have the FCS conferences that limit the sports scholarships to less than 65. The issue is FCS has become a cost containment subdivision and FBS is the go hard in the paint division. Then you have those schools having voting rights lumped in with FBS schools.

The stuff you mentioned is great but if a school is willing to do that then they would of wanted to go FBS already. If they don’t which is the issue then we are back to the FBS conferences becoming a whole new division idea.


The issue with FCS schools is that the hybrid conferences where the football schools at times are limited because the basketball schools want them to give out the same number of scholarships. They do get money for upgrading facilities.
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