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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
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(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

First exhibit in the case against an OCS.
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(06-22-2022 08:12 AM)DallasTiger Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 05:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

First exhibit in the case against an OCS.

$2B endowment, 80% graduation rate and $72K avg salary. They can afford it, empty or not.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
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(06-21-2022 10:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Again, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, but the reality is that it isn't happening. The ROI in terms of donations, connecting alumni with the campus, the gameday experience is hugely affected by not being on campus. The alternative, was not spending any money, still not being on campus, and having a rotting LB with horrible amenities.

Having 50,000 seats won't help to create demand in any appreciable way, but the addition of luxury boxes that aren't a mile away from the field, improving the concessions, providing a cozy atmosphere for games will dramatically improve the gameday experience.

I also hope/think that when the dust settles, we have no more than 46,000 - 48,000 seats. At that level we are starting to get close to the optimal size.

04-cheers

It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS. The OP was about student involvement, and I don't think there's much the school can do to reach out to the casual student-fan on a weekly basis that would have as much impact as an OCS. Even gimmicky giveaways lose their appeal quickly. Winning definitely helps with student involvement, but there's no way to guarantee that year over year.

Quote:It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS.

I am sure that nobody thought that. This is no different than not doing anything for a long time and allowing infrastructure to crumble, and then when you have to do something, it costs 10X more.

IMO, the issue is that it took 20 years to raise what turned out to be $20 million for an IPF, that could probably have been built for $5 million 15 years ago. Raising ticket prices (we are seeing it in this thread) causes many of our fans to freak out.

It isn't that our fanbase is cheap. Our endowment is less than $300 million. There is a disconnect between the admin and alumni. The same as crumbling infrastructure, at crucial times we had garbage presidents and AD's. IF we had leadership like Rudd/Bowen at any time from 1990-2020, we would be in a much different position today.

Having an OCS is a great idea, the only really great idea there is, but we can't pay for it.

getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.

We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.
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(06-18-2022 10:18 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

how do they get there? drive and park? there's a cost associated with that. ride the shuttle? now you can't bring all of your tailgate beer/food/etc. so now you have to buy beer/food. We could go back and forth all day. I truly believe student involvement is higher with OC facilities. I'm sure there is likely statistics to go along with that. Every Memphis away game I have ever attended on an OC facility has been an awesome experience, with PACKED student sections, but in contrast, away games against schools with non OC facilities have similar student involvement as Memphis does. Would an OC facility guarantee anything different? Of course not. I did see in a thread on the AAC Conference page awhile back someone threw some stats out comparing Alumni giving with OC facilities compared to non OC facilities, and there was a substantial difference in the two, which would lead me to believe that getting alumni and students together OC for games is beneficial for everyone involved. Someone in the University has to be getting there pockets filled from the city over the $200 million renovations to the LBMS.

What if there was a designated student tailgate area? With bands and other entertainment? How many more students would show up for that?

I definitely think that would help increase student participation, but then you'll have people that pay for tailgate/parking complaining that they have to pay. I think the students should have their own parking lot/tailgate area that's free. they pay the athletic fees in their tuition, so why are we charging them extra for basically a similar experience that students at schools with OC facilities get for free?
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-22-2022 09:22 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 11:18 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  04-cheers

It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS. The OP was about student involvement, and I don't think there's much the school can do to reach out to the casual student-fan on a weekly basis that would have as much impact as an OCS. Even gimmicky giveaways lose their appeal quickly. Winning definitely helps with student involvement, but there's no way to guarantee that year over year.

Quote:It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS.

I am sure that nobody thought that. This is no different than not doing anything for a long time and allowing infrastructure to crumble, and then when you have to do something, it costs 10X more.

IMO, the issue is that it took 20 years to raise what turned out to be $20 million for an IPF, that could probably have been built for $5 million 15 years ago. Raising ticket prices (we are seeing it in this thread) causes many of our fans to freak out.

It isn't that our fanbase is cheap. Our endowment is less than $300 million. There is a disconnect between the admin and alumni. The same as crumbling infrastructure, at crucial times we had garbage presidents and AD's. IF we had leadership like Rudd/Bowen at any time from 1990-2020, we would be in a much different position today.

Having an OCS is a great idea, the only really great idea there is, but we can't pay for it.

getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.

We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.

They aren't contributing $200 million, I doubt they will contribute more than $100 million. And "the same fashion" isn't a magic wand that can come up with $100 - $200 million out of thin air.
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(06-21-2022 04:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 11:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  I am sure that nobody thought that. This is no different than not doing anything for a long time and allowing infrastructure to crumble, and then when you have to do something, it costs 10X more.

IMO, the issue is that it took 20 years to raise what turned out to be $20 million for an IPF, that could probably have been built for $5 million 15 years ago. Raising ticket prices (we are seeing it in this thread) causes many of our fans to freak out.

It isn't that our fanbase is cheap. Our endowment is less than $300 million. There is a disconnect between the admin and alumni. The same as crumbling infrastructure, at crucial times we had garbage presidents and AD's. IF we had leadership like Rudd/Bowen at any time from 1990-2020, we would be in a much different position today.

Having an OCS is a great idea, the only really great idea there is, but we can't pay for it.

getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.

We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.

They aren't contributing $200 million, I doubt they will contribute more than $100 million. And "the same fashion" isn't a magic wand that can come up with $100 - $200 million out of thin air.

the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade. If they fund a similar percentage, then the school/donors/private funding would need to contribute $164 million. Now, if we could build on OCS at your proposed $300 million, we're looking at about another $80 million. The increased revenue and donations by getting alumni/fans back on campus, added to the money saved in rent year over year would make up the difference in costs.

Most people rent homes on a short term basis, professional teams rent so they're not structurally tied to a market, but a school located in a city for well over 100 years should have stopped renting a football facility a long time ago!
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(06-22-2022 09:22 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 02:39 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.

We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.

They aren't contributing $200 million, I doubt they will contribute more than $100 million. And "the same fashion" isn't a magic wand that can come up with $100 - $200 million out of thin air.

the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade. If they fund a similar percentage, then the school/donors/private funding would need to contribute $164 million. Now, if we could build on OCS at your proposed $300 million, we're looking at about another $80 million. The increased revenue and donations by getting alumni/fans back on campus, added to the money saved in rent year over year would make up the difference in costs.

Most people rent homes on a short term basis, professional teams rent so they're not structurally tied to a market, but a school located in a city for well over 100 years should have stopped renting a football facility a long time ago!

Quote:the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade.

The school funded $41 million? For fun, let's have a link to that.
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(06-22-2022 09:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 09:22 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.

They aren't contributing $200 million, I doubt they will contribute more than $100 million. And "the same fashion" isn't a magic wand that can come up with $100 - $200 million out of thin air.

the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade. If they fund a similar percentage, then the school/donors/private funding would need to contribute $164 million. Now, if we could build on OCS at your proposed $300 million, we're looking at about another $80 million. The increased revenue and donations by getting alumni/fans back on campus, added to the money saved in rent year over year would make up the difference in costs.

Most people rent homes on a short term basis, professional teams rent so they're not structurally tied to a market, but a school located in a city for well over 100 years should have stopped renting a football facility a long time ago!

Quote:the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade.

The school funded $41 million? For fun, let's have a link to that.

The article I found said that city officials agreed to pay $9 million of the costs. So the school, whether it be from the school directly or by donors of the school, footed the rest of the bill.
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(06-22-2022 02:49 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
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(06-22-2022 09:22 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.

They aren't contributing $200 million, I doubt they will contribute more than $100 million. And "the same fashion" isn't a magic wand that can come up with $100 - $200 million out of thin air.

the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade. If they fund a similar percentage, then the school/donors/private funding would need to contribute $164 million. Now, if we could build on OCS at your proposed $300 million, we're looking at about another $80 million. The increased revenue and donations by getting alumni/fans back on campus, added to the money saved in rent year over year would make up the difference in costs.

Most people rent homes on a short term basis, professional teams rent so they're not structurally tied to a market, but a school located in a city for well over 100 years should have stopped renting a football facility a long time ago!

Quote:the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade.

The school funded $41 million? For fun, let's have a link to that.

The article I found said that city officials agreed to pay $9 million of the costs. So the school, whether it be from the school directly or by donors of the school, footed the rest of the bill.

What article?
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I had one instructor that offered us extra credit if we attended the football games.
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(06-22-2022 08:27 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

First exhibit in the case against an OCS.

$2B endowment, 80% graduation rate and $72K avg salary. They can afford it, empty or not.

How's that working out for their sports program - in the way of championships, national credibility, attendance, and P5 admittance?
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(06-21-2022 05:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 05:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

And what's his face's kid locked in a closet by Mike Leach.

I think that was TX Tech, but it was a former SMU player. But understandable that we can't think of much else SMU specific.
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(06-23-2022 09:53 AM)Claw Wrote:  I had one instructor that offered us extra credit if we attended the football games.

Good for him. I had an instructor (Ole Miss grad) around the same time that couldn’t seem to understand how all of us weren’t Ole Miss fans. He went on to explain that we had no tradition, etc.
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(06-23-2022 11:00 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 05:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

And what's his face's kid locked in a closet by Mike Leach.

I think that was TX Tech, but it was a former SMU player. But understandable that we can't think of much else SMU specific.

I remember that Eric Dickerson feller.
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(06-23-2022 10:59 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 08:27 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 05:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

First exhibit in the case against an OCS.

$2B endowment, 80% graduation rate and $72K avg salary. They can afford it, empty or not.

How's that working out for their sports program - in the way of championships, national credibility, attendance, and P5 admittance?

I don't care. I thought we were talking about an

O

C

S

I was.

Memphis is just slap broke and can't afford it. Y'all talk about all these alumni giving. We graduate WAY less and those that do graduate their avg salaries aren't as high as SMU. So yeah hit them up.

I give yearly, yes because it's tied to my tickets, but I give. And I went ONE summer term to Memphis State. I love my HOMETOWN TEAM.

You want more $$$$, target all these proud Memphians that have Tiger stickers all over their vehicles. HOMETOWN TIGERS!
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(06-23-2022 10:59 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 08:27 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
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(06-21-2022 05:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

First exhibit in the case against an OCS.

$2B endowment, 80% graduation rate and $72K avg salary. They can afford it, empty or not.

How's that working out for their sports program - in the way of championships, national credibility, attendance, and P5 admittance?

I don't care. I thought we were talking about an

O

C

S

Nah
We were talking about how irrelevant SMU is in sports, after their guy piped up here.
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(06-21-2022 05:47 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 05:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

And what's his face's kid locked in a closet by Mike Leach.

I think that was TX Tech, but it was a former SMU player. But understandable that we can't think of much else SMU specific.

I remember that Eric Dickerson feller.

It was Craig James kid.
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(06-21-2022 02:39 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.

We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.

They aren't contributing $200 million, I doubt they will contribute more than $100 million. And "the same fashion" isn't a magic wand that can come up with $100 - $200 million out of thin air.

the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade. If they fund a similar percentage, then the school/donors/private funding would need to contribute $164 million. Now, if we could build on OCS at your proposed $300 million, we're looking at about another $80 million. The increased revenue and donations by getting alumni/fans back on campus, added to the money saved in rent year over year would make up the difference in costs.

Most people rent homes on a short term basis, professional teams rent so they're not structurally tied to a market, but a school located in a city for well over 100 years should have stopped renting a football facility a long time ago!

Y'all are wasting energy. There will not be a OCS unless we get into the Big XII. And that is a big unless.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-27-2022 09:22 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 02:49 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 09:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 09:22 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.

They aren't contributing $200 million, I doubt they will contribute more than $100 million. And "the same fashion" isn't a magic wand that can come up with $100 - $200 million out of thin air.

the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade. If they fund a similar percentage, then the school/donors/private funding would need to contribute $164 million. Now, if we could build on OCS at your proposed $300 million, we're looking at about another $80 million. The increased revenue and donations by getting alumni/fans back on campus, added to the money saved in rent year over year would make up the difference in costs.

Most people rent homes on a short term basis, professional teams rent so they're not structurally tied to a market, but a school located in a city for well over 100 years should have stopped renting a football facility a long time ago!

Y'all are wasting energy. There will not be a OCS unless we get into the Big XII. And that is a big unless.

There may not be any Liberty Bowl upgrades either - unless we get into the Big XII. That's my expectation at this point.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-27-2022 09:25 AM)Claw Wrote:  
(06-27-2022 09:22 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 02:49 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 09:59 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-22-2022 09:22 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  in the same fashion they're able to contribute $200 million to a city owned facility. Look, I understand the likelihood of an OCS if extremely slim, but if you're really wanting student/fan/alumni involvement to increase, the plans of an OC should do that. I fell like the renovation images to LBMS look amazing, but the hype seemingly fell short.

They aren't contributing $200 million, I doubt they will contribute more than $100 million. And "the same fashion" isn't a magic wand that can come up with $100 - $200 million out of thin air.

the last upgrade done the city funded $9 million of the $50 million in costs of the upgrade. If they fund a similar percentage, then the school/donors/private funding would need to contribute $164 million. Now, if we could build on OCS at your proposed $300 million, we're looking at about another $80 million. The increased revenue and donations by getting alumni/fans back on campus, added to the money saved in rent year over year would make up the difference in costs.

Most people rent homes on a short term basis, professional teams rent so they're not structurally tied to a market, but a school located in a city for well over 100 years should have stopped renting a football facility a long time ago!

Y'all are wasting energy. There will not be a OCS unless we get into the Big XII. And that is a big unless.

There may not be any Liberty Bowl upgrades either - unless we get into the Big XII. That's my expectation at this point.

Upgrade to get into Big XII, OCS in the future, maybe.
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