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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
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(06-16-2022 06:29 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  If the stadium isn't a reasonably walkable distance, students don't care. It took years of flirting with #1 in the country for the BB program to get any student support. It isn't because they aren't fans. Its because the logistics for off campus stadiums suck when you are a student. Heck I used to skip football games because I was afraid to give up my great parking spot by the dorm. It means alot when you lug stuff back and forth to home. And you wouldn't catch me dead riding a shuttle to a game so no surprise that they don't either.

I agree with you 100%. If the school wanted to make student participation a priority they'd have looked into building OC facilities for football/basketball. All these people replying about back when they went to college in the 80's-late 90's have to realize the target group has changed astronomically. If you haven't noticed all the delivery services in the past few years starting up, even pre-covid. Younger kids seem to want convenience, and waiting on a shuttle/paying for parking/driving are very inconvenient. Winning helps a lot, but student participation will never be close to that of in conference schools like UCF without OC facilities.
Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-20-2022 06:39 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
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(06-16-2022 06:29 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  If the stadium isn't a reasonably walkable distance, students don't care. It took years of flirting with #1 in the country for the BB program to get any student support. It isn't because they aren't fans. Its because the logistics for off campus stadiums suck when you are a student. Heck I used to skip football games because I was afraid to give up my great parking spot by the dorm. It means alot when you lug stuff back and forth to home. And you wouldn't catch me dead riding a shuttle to a game so no surprise that they don't either.

I agree with you 100%. If the school wanted to make student participation a priority they'd have looked into building OC facilities for football/basketball. All these people replying about back when they went to college in the 80's-late 90's have to realize the target group has changed astronomically. If you haven't noticed all the delivery services in the past few years starting up, even pre-covid. Younger kids seem to want convenience, and waiting on a shuttle/paying for parking/driving are very inconvenient. Winning helps a lot, but student participation will never be close to that of in conference schools like UCF without OC facilities.
Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

Super cheap if they’re among the 4000+ students within walking distance.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
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(06-18-2022 09:37 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  I agree with you 100%. If the school wanted to make student participation a priority they'd have looked into building OC facilities for football/basketball. All these people replying about back when they went to college in the 80's-late 90's have to realize the target group has changed astronomically. If you haven't noticed all the delivery services in the past few years starting up, even pre-covid. Younger kids seem to want convenience, and waiting on a shuttle/paying for parking/driving are very inconvenient. Winning helps a lot, but student participation will never be close to that of in conference schools like UCF without OC facilities.
Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

Super cheap if they’re among the 4000+ students within walking distance.

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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-20-2022 07:52 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
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(06-18-2022 09:37 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  I agree with you 100%. If the school wanted to make student participation a priority they'd have looked into building OC facilities for football/basketball. All these people replying about back when they went to college in the 80's-late 90's have to realize the target group has changed astronomically. If you haven't noticed all the delivery services in the past few years starting up, even pre-covid. Younger kids seem to want convenience, and waiting on a shuttle/paying for parking/driving are very inconvenient. Winning helps a lot, but student participation will never be close to that of in conference schools like UCF without OC facilities.
Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

Super cheap if they’re among the 4000+ students within walking distance.

Hope they all show up and bring a date.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-20-2022 06:39 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
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(06-18-2022 09:37 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 06:29 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  If the stadium isn't a reasonably walkable distance, students don't care. It took years of flirting with #1 in the country for the BB program to get any student support. It isn't because they aren't fans. Its because the logistics for off campus stadiums suck when you are a student. Heck I used to skip football games because I was afraid to give up my great parking spot by the dorm. It means alot when you lug stuff back and forth to home. And you wouldn't catch me dead riding a shuttle to a game so no surprise that they don't either.

I agree with you 100%. If the school wanted to make student participation a priority they'd have looked into building OC facilities for football/basketball. All these people replying about back when they went to college in the 80's-late 90's have to realize the target group has changed astronomically. If you haven't noticed all the delivery services in the past few years starting up, even pre-covid. Younger kids seem to want convenience, and waiting on a shuttle/paying for parking/driving are very inconvenient. Winning helps a lot, but student participation will never be close to that of in conference schools like UCF without OC facilities.
Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

how do they get there? drive and park? there's a cost associated with that. ride the shuttle? now you can't bring all of your tailgate beer/food/etc. so now you have to buy beer/food. We could go back and forth all day. I truly believe student involvement is higher with OC facilities. I'm sure there is likely statistics to go along with that. Every Memphis away game I have ever attended on an OC facility has been an awesome experience, with PACKED student sections, but in contrast, away games against schools with non OC facilities have similar student involvement as Memphis does. Would an OC facility guarantee anything different? Of course not. I did see in a thread on the AAC Conference page awhile back someone threw some stats out comparing Alumni giving with OC facilities compared to non OC facilities, and there was a substantial difference in the two, which would lead me to believe that getting alumni and students together OC for games is beneficial for everyone involved. Someone in the University has to be getting there pockets filled from the city over the $200 million renovations to the LBMS.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-21-2022 09:52 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 06:39 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 07:12 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
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(06-18-2022 09:37 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  I agree with you 100%. If the school wanted to make student participation a priority they'd have looked into building OC facilities for football/basketball. All these people replying about back when they went to college in the 80's-late 90's have to realize the target group has changed astronomically. If you haven't noticed all the delivery services in the past few years starting up, even pre-covid. Younger kids seem to want convenience, and waiting on a shuttle/paying for parking/driving are very inconvenient. Winning helps a lot, but student participation will never be close to that of in conference schools like UCF without OC facilities.
Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

how do they get there? drive and park? there's a cost associated with that. ride the shuttle? now you can't bring all of your tailgate beer/food/etc. so now you have to buy beer/food. We could go back and forth all day. I truly believe student involvement is higher with OC facilities. I'm sure there is likely statistics to go along with that. Every Memphis away game I have ever attended on an OC facility has been an awesome experience, with PACKED student sections, but in contrast, away games against schools with non OC facilities have similar student involvement as Memphis does. Would an OC facility guarantee anything different? Of course not. I did see in a thread on the AAC Conference page awhile back someone threw some stats out comparing Alumni giving with OC facilities compared to non OC facilities, and there was a substantial difference in the two, which would lead me to believe that getting alumni and students together OC for games is beneficial for everyone involved. Someone in the University has to be getting there pockets filled from the city over the $200 million renovations to the LBMS.

Again, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, but the reality is that it isn't happening. The ROI in terms of donations, connecting alumni with the campus, the gameday experience is hugely affected by not being on campus. The alternative, was not spending any money, still not being on campus, and having a rotting LB with horrible amenities.

Having 50,000 seats won't help to create demand in any appreciable way, but the addition of luxury boxes that aren't a mile away from the field, improving the concessions, providing a cozy atmosphere for games will dramatically improve the gameday experience.

I also hope/think that when the dust settles, we have no more than 46,000 - 48,000 seats. At that level we are starting to get close to the optimal size.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-21-2022 10:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
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(06-20-2022 07:12 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 10:18 PM)DallasTiger Wrote:  Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

how do they get there? drive and park? there's a cost associated with that. ride the shuttle? now you can't bring all of your tailgate beer/food/etc. so now you have to buy beer/food. We could go back and forth all day. I truly believe student involvement is higher with OC facilities. I'm sure there is likely statistics to go along with that. Every Memphis away game I have ever attended on an OC facility has been an awesome experience, with PACKED student sections, but in contrast, away games against schools with non OC facilities have similar student involvement as Memphis does. Would an OC facility guarantee anything different? Of course not. I did see in a thread on the AAC Conference page awhile back someone threw some stats out comparing Alumni giving with OC facilities compared to non OC facilities, and there was a substantial difference in the two, which would lead me to believe that getting alumni and students together OC for games is beneficial for everyone involved. Someone in the University has to be getting there pockets filled from the city over the $200 million renovations to the LBMS.

Again, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, but the reality is that it isn't happening. The ROI in terms of donations, connecting alumni with the campus, the gameday experience is hugely affected by not being on campus. The alternative, was not spending any money, still not being on campus, and having a rotting LB with horrible amenities.

Having 50,000 seats won't help to create demand in any appreciable way, but the addition of luxury boxes that aren't a mile away from the field, improving the concessions, providing a cozy atmosphere for games will dramatically improve the gameday experience.

I also hope/think that when the dust settles, we have no more than 46,000 - 48,000 seats. At that level we are starting to get close to the optimal size.

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It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS. The OP was about student involvement, and I don't think there's much the school can do to reach out to the casual student-fan on a weekly basis that would have as much impact as an OCS. Even gimmicky giveaways lose their appeal quickly. Winning definitely helps with student involvement, but there's no way to guarantee that year over year.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-21-2022 11:18 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
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(06-20-2022 07:12 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

how do they get there? drive and park? there's a cost associated with that. ride the shuttle? now you can't bring all of your tailgate beer/food/etc. so now you have to buy beer/food. We could go back and forth all day. I truly believe student involvement is higher with OC facilities. I'm sure there is likely statistics to go along with that. Every Memphis away game I have ever attended on an OC facility has been an awesome experience, with PACKED student sections, but in contrast, away games against schools with non OC facilities have similar student involvement as Memphis does. Would an OC facility guarantee anything different? Of course not. I did see in a thread on the AAC Conference page awhile back someone threw some stats out comparing Alumni giving with OC facilities compared to non OC facilities, and there was a substantial difference in the two, which would lead me to believe that getting alumni and students together OC for games is beneficial for everyone involved. Someone in the University has to be getting there pockets filled from the city over the $200 million renovations to the LBMS.

Again, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, but the reality is that it isn't happening. The ROI in terms of donations, connecting alumni with the campus, the gameday experience is hugely affected by not being on campus. The alternative, was not spending any money, still not being on campus, and having a rotting LB with horrible amenities.

Having 50,000 seats won't help to create demand in any appreciable way, but the addition of luxury boxes that aren't a mile away from the field, improving the concessions, providing a cozy atmosphere for games will dramatically improve the gameday experience.

I also hope/think that when the dust settles, we have no more than 46,000 - 48,000 seats. At that level we are starting to get close to the optimal size.

04-cheers

It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS. The OP was about student involvement, and I don't think there's much the school can do to reach out to the casual student-fan on a weekly basis that would have as much impact as an OCS. Even gimmicky giveaways lose their appeal quickly. Winning definitely helps with student involvement, but there's no way to guarantee that year over year.

Quote:It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS.

I am sure that nobody thought that. This is no different than not doing anything for a long time and allowing infrastructure to crumble, and then when you have to do something, it costs 10X more.

IMO, the issue is that it took 20 years to raise what turned out to be $20 million for an IPF, that could probably have been built for $5 million 15 years ago. Raising ticket prices (we are seeing it in this thread) causes many of our fans to freak out.

It isn't that our fanbase is cheap. Our endowment is less than $300 million. There is a disconnect between the admin and alumni. The same as crumbling infrastructure, at crucial times we had garbage presidents and AD's. IF we had leadership like Rudd/Bowen at any time from 1990-2020, we would be in a much different position today.

Having an OCS is a great idea, the only really great idea there is, but we can't pay for it.
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(06-21-2022 10:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
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(06-20-2022 06:39 PM)Keeper Wrote:  Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

how do they get there? drive and park? there's a cost associated with that. ride the shuttle? now you can't bring all of your tailgate beer/food/etc. so now you have to buy beer/food. We could go back and forth all day. I truly believe student involvement is higher with OC facilities. I'm sure there is likely statistics to go along with that. Every Memphis away game I have ever attended on an OC facility has been an awesome experience, with PACKED student sections, but in contrast, away games against schools with non OC facilities have similar student involvement as Memphis does. Would an OC facility guarantee anything different? Of course not. I did see in a thread on the AAC Conference page awhile back someone threw some stats out comparing Alumni giving with OC facilities compared to non OC facilities, and there was a substantial difference in the two, which would lead me to believe that getting alumni and students together OC for games is beneficial for everyone involved. Someone in the University has to be getting there pockets filled from the city over the $200 million renovations to the LBMS.

Again, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, but the reality is that it isn't happening. The ROI in terms of donations, connecting alumni with the campus, the gameday experience is hugely affected by not being on campus. The alternative, was not spending any money, still not being on campus, and having a rotting LB with horrible amenities.

Having 50,000 seats won't help to create demand in any appreciable way, but the addition of luxury boxes that aren't a mile away from the field, improving the concessions, providing a cozy atmosphere for games will dramatically improve the gameday experience.

I also hope/think that when the dust settles, we have no more than 46,000 - 48,000 seats. At that level we are starting to get close to the optimal size.

04-cheers

It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS. The OP was about student involvement, and I don't think there's much the school can do to reach out to the casual student-fan on a weekly basis that would have as much impact as an OCS. Even gimmicky giveaways lose their appeal quickly. Winning definitely helps with student involvement, but there's no way to guarantee that year over year.

Quote:It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS.

I am sure that nobody thought that. This is no different than not doing anything for a long time and allowing infrastructure to crumble, and then when you have to do something, it costs 10X more.

IMO, the issue is that it took 20 years to raise what turned out to be $20 million for an IPF, that could probably have been built for $5 million 15 years ago. Raising ticket prices (we are seeing it in this thread) causes many of our fans to freak out.

It isn't that our fanbase is cheap. Our endowment is less than $300 million. There is a disconnect between the admin and alumni. The same as crumbling infrastructure, at crucial times we had garbage presidents and AD's. IF we had leadership like Rudd/Bowen at any time from 1990-2020, we would be in a much different position today.

Having an OCS is a great idea, the only really great idea there is, but we can't pay for it.

getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.
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(06-18-2022 09:37 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  I agree with you 100%. If the school wanted to make student participation a priority they'd have looked into building OC facilities for football/basketball. All these people replying about back when they went to college in the 80's-late 90's have to realize the target group has changed astronomically. If you haven't noticed all the delivery services in the past few years starting up, even pre-covid. Younger kids seem to want convenience, and waiting on a shuttle/paying for parking/driving are very inconvenient. Winning helps a lot, but student participation will never be close to that of in conference schools like UCF without OC facilities.
Spring break does not seem to be suffering due to students not wanting to travel.

you'll never appeal to a casual student-fan by making football/mbb inconvenient. with the horrific rise in inflation, I would think student participation will be even less this season.

Why? Going to a game will be free! For cash strapped students that is a cheap date.

how do they get there? drive and park? there's a cost associated with that. ride the shuttle? now you can't bring all of your tailgate beer/food/etc. so now you have to buy beer/food. We could go back and forth all day. I truly believe student involvement is higher with OC facilities. I'm sure there is likely statistics to go along with that. Every Memphis away game I have ever attended on an OC facility has been an awesome experience, with PACKED student sections, but in contrast, away games against schools with non OC facilities have similar student involvement as Memphis does. Would an OC facility guarantee anything different? Of course not. I did see in a thread on the AAC Conference page awhile back someone threw some stats out comparing Alumni giving with OC facilities compared to non OC facilities, and there was a substantial difference in the two, which would lead me to believe that getting alumni and students together OC for games is beneficial for everyone involved. Someone in the University has to be getting there pockets filled from the city over the $200 million renovations to the LBMS.

What if there was a designated student tailgate area? With bands and other entertainment? How many more students would show up for that?
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(06-21-2022 10:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 09:52 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  how do they get there? drive and park? there's a cost associated with that. ride the shuttle? now you can't bring all of your tailgate beer/food/etc. so now you have to buy beer/food. We could go back and forth all day. I truly believe student involvement is higher with OC facilities. I'm sure there is likely statistics to go along with that. Every Memphis away game I have ever attended on an OC facility has been an awesome experience, with PACKED student sections, but in contrast, away games against schools with non OC facilities have similar student involvement as Memphis does. Would an OC facility guarantee anything different? Of course not. I did see in a thread on the AAC Conference page awhile back someone threw some stats out comparing Alumni giving with OC facilities compared to non OC facilities, and there was a substantial difference in the two, which would lead me to believe that getting alumni and students together OC for games is beneficial for everyone involved. Someone in the University has to be getting there pockets filled from the city over the $200 million renovations to the LBMS.

Again, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, but the reality is that it isn't happening. The ROI in terms of donations, connecting alumni with the campus, the gameday experience is hugely affected by not being on campus. The alternative, was not spending any money, still not being on campus, and having a rotting LB with horrible amenities.

Having 50,000 seats won't help to create demand in any appreciable way, but the addition of luxury boxes that aren't a mile away from the field, improving the concessions, providing a cozy atmosphere for games will dramatically improve the gameday experience.

I also hope/think that when the dust settles, we have no more than 46,000 - 48,000 seats. At that level we are starting to get close to the optimal size.

04-cheers

It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS. The OP was about student involvement, and I don't think there's much the school can do to reach out to the casual student-fan on a weekly basis that would have as much impact as an OCS. Even gimmicky giveaways lose their appeal quickly. Winning definitely helps with student involvement, but there's no way to guarantee that year over year.

Quote:It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS.

I am sure that nobody thought that. This is no different than not doing anything for a long time and allowing infrastructure to crumble, and then when you have to do something, it costs 10X more.

IMO, the issue is that it took 20 years to raise what turned out to be $20 million for an IPF, that could probably have been built for $5 million 15 years ago. Raising ticket prices (we are seeing it in this thread) causes many of our fans to freak out.

It isn't that our fanbase is cheap. Our endowment is less than $300 million. There is a disconnect between the admin and alumni. The same as crumbling infrastructure, at crucial times we had garbage presidents and AD's. IF we had leadership like Rudd/Bowen at any time from 1990-2020, we would be in a much different position today.

Having an OCS is a great idea, the only really great idea there is, but we can't pay for it.

getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.

We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?
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When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.
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(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.
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(06-21-2022 04:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 02:39 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 11:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 11:18 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 10:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Again, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you, but the reality is that it isn't happening. The ROI in terms of donations, connecting alumni with the campus, the gameday experience is hugely affected by not being on campus. The alternative, was not spending any money, still not being on campus, and having a rotting LB with horrible amenities.

Having 50,000 seats won't help to create demand in any appreciable way, but the addition of luxury boxes that aren't a mile away from the field, improving the concessions, providing a cozy atmosphere for games will dramatically improve the gameday experience.

I also hope/think that when the dust settles, we have no more than 46,000 - 48,000 seats. At that level we are starting to get close to the optimal size.

04-cheers

It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS. The OP was about student involvement, and I don't think there's much the school can do to reach out to the casual student-fan on a weekly basis that would have as much impact as an OCS. Even gimmicky giveaways lose their appeal quickly. Winning definitely helps with student involvement, but there's no way to guarantee that year over year.

Quote:It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS.

I am sure that nobody thought that. This is no different than not doing anything for a long time and allowing infrastructure to crumble, and then when you have to do something, it costs 10X more.

IMO, the issue is that it took 20 years to raise what turned out to be $20 million for an IPF, that could probably have been built for $5 million 15 years ago. Raising ticket prices (we are seeing it in this thread) causes many of our fans to freak out.

It isn't that our fanbase is cheap. Our endowment is less than $300 million. There is a disconnect between the admin and alumni. The same as crumbling infrastructure, at crucial times we had garbage presidents and AD's. IF we had leadership like Rudd/Bowen at any time from 1990-2020, we would be in a much different position today.

Having an OCS is a great idea, the only really great idea there is, but we can't pay for it.

getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.

We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

You tell the city, county, state, board, alumni, area corporations, rich folks, and everyone else that we either

raise $300 million for an OCS

or we don't get in the Big XII.

There's the stick. It's right there. All they had to do was pick it up.
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RE: How to make Tiger football more important to students
(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

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(06-21-2022 04:50 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 02:39 PM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 11:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 11:18 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  04-cheers

It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS. The OP was about student involvement, and I don't think there's much the school can do to reach out to the casual student-fan on a weekly basis that would have as much impact as an OCS. Even gimmicky giveaways lose their appeal quickly. Winning definitely helps with student involvement, but there's no way to guarantee that year over year.

Quote:It's hard to believe that anyone within the schools administration thought LBMS improvements are more beneficial long-term than building an OCS.

I am sure that nobody thought that. This is no different than not doing anything for a long time and allowing infrastructure to crumble, and then when you have to do something, it costs 10X more.

IMO, the issue is that it took 20 years to raise what turned out to be $20 million for an IPF, that could probably have been built for $5 million 15 years ago. Raising ticket prices (we are seeing it in this thread) causes many of our fans to freak out.

It isn't that our fanbase is cheap. Our endowment is less than $300 million. There is a disconnect between the admin and alumni. The same as crumbling infrastructure, at crucial times we had garbage presidents and AD's. IF we had leadership like Rudd/Bowen at any time from 1990-2020, we would be in a much different position today.

Having an OCS is a great idea, the only really great idea there is, but we can't pay for it.

getting people back on campus should be a sure-fire way to increase alumni contributions. The IPF is different in that alumni really don't get any benefit from it other than bragging rights, whereas an OCS is something they can directly benefit from as they would be back on campus attending games there.

We all know that. How do you come up with the $300 million?

You tell the city, county, state, board, alumni, area corporations, rich folks, and everyone else that we either

raise $300 million for an OCS

or we don't get in the Big XII.

There's the stick. It's right there. All they had to do was pick it up.

Why are you being so thick?

Quote:raise $300 million for an OCS

The wealthy boosters and corporate Memphis are doing their part. The stadium isn't being built because of people like you and me can't be relied on to contribute $100 million. You keep assigning blame to those who are blameless.
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(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

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(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas
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(06-21-2022 05:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

1st - cars
2nd - death penalty
3rd - empty stadiums/arenas

And what's his face's kid locked in a closet by Mike Leach.
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(06-21-2022 04:48 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(06-21-2022 04:14 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  When I think of Tigers I think "LSU", even though Memphis is in our conference. I suppose that ECU people think "Clemson" for the same reason.

When I think of mustangs, I think of a car and a stadium with 8,000 people in it.

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