There are articles that be found with simple research or a search engine (hint: Wikipedia is a great starting spot). I’m just refusing to do a troll’s job who sole purpose seems to bash other schools. Given the sorry state of his alma mater’s venues (maybe shouldn’t use plural as neither Key Arena is Seattle’s own nor is Redhawk Center a quality anything) I guess I get it.

As for politics, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe not being in a system with an 800-lb gorilla means he doesn’t get it, but name 1 P5 who’d attribute their new facility publicly to a mid-major’s new one.

If Seattle built a state-of-art arena that showed how dated Edmundson is, would they say that’s why they got a new one in a decade. I’d wager no.

But please tell me how you know better DoubleDBag.

(06-24-2022 07:29 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  There are articles that be found with simple research or a search engine (hint: Wikipedia is a great starting spot). I’m just refusing to do a troll’s job who sole purpose seems to bash other schools. Given the sorry state of his alma mater’s venues (maybe shouldn’t use plural as neither Key Arena is Seattle’s own nor is Redhawk Center a quality anything) I guess I get it.

As for politics, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe not being in a system with an 800-lb gorilla means he doesn’t get it, but name 1 P5 who’d attribute their new facility publicly to a mid-major’s new one.

If Seattle built a state-of-art arena that showed how dated Edmundson is, would they say that’s why they got a new one in a decade. I’d wager no.

But please tell me how you know better DoubleDBag.

Resorting to name calling now? I checked Wikipedia. The only thing on there is “ In February 2012, the center was featured in a Billboard Magazine article about ten new and renovated venues were reshaping the national touring circuit.[15]”. Nothing about being the best in Texas and of course there was no mention of the CPC on the Moody Center page. So again, let’s see what you’re talking about.

Goes to show what you know - nothing. Key Arena has been totally rebuilt and hosts a NHL team, along with several Redhawk games. Try to keep up here, you’re just embarrassing yourself further.

(06-24-2022 07:56 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 07:29 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  There are articles that be found with simple research or a search engine (hint: Wikipedia is a great starting spot). I’m just refusing to do a troll’s job who sole purpose seems to bash other schools. Given the sorry state of his alma mater’s venues (maybe shouldn’t use plural as neither Key Arena is Seattle’s own nor is Redhawk Center a quality anything) I guess I get it.

As for politics, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe not being in a system with an 800-lb gorilla means he doesn’t get it, but name 1 P5 who’d attribute their new facility publicly to a mid-major’s new one.

If Seattle built a state-of-art arena that showed how dated Edmundson is, would they say that’s why they got a new one in a decade. I’d wager no.

But please tell me how you know better DoubleDBag.

Resorting to name calling now? I checked Wikipedia. The only thing on there is “ In February 2012, the center was featured in a Billboard Magazine article about ten new and renovated venues were reshaping the national touring circuit.[15]”. Nothing about being the best in Texas and of course there was no mention of the CPC on the Moody Center page. So again, let’s see what you’re talking about.

Goes to show what you know - nothing. Key Arena has been totally rebuilt and hosts a NHL team, along with several Redhawk games. Try to keep up here, you’re just embarrassing yourself further.

What’s the at phrase I’ve heard from Texans? I believe it’s something like “all hat, no cattle.”

This is almost as rich as the Sam Houston clown whining about Seattles small gym the week after they drew 200 fans to their 2500 seat venue.

(06-24-2022 07:56 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 07:29 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  There are articles that be found with simple research or a search engine (hint: Wikipedia is a great starting spot). I’m just refusing to do a troll’s job who sole purpose seems to bash other schools. Given the sorry state of his alma mater’s venues (maybe shouldn’t use plural as neither Key Arena is Seattle’s own nor is Redhawk Center a quality anything) I guess I get it.

As for politics, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe not being in a system with an 800-lb gorilla means he doesn’t get it, but name 1 P5 who’d attribute their new facility publicly to a mid-major’s new one.

If Seattle built a state-of-art arena that showed how dated Edmundson is, would they say that’s why they got a new one in a decade. I’d wager no.

But please tell me how you know better DoubleDBag.

Resorting to name calling now? I checked Wikipedia. The only thing on there is “ In February 2012, the center was featured in a Billboard Magazine article about ten new and renovated venues were reshaping the national touring circuit.[15]”. Nothing about being the best in Texas and of course there was no mention of the CPC on the Moody Center page. So again, let’s see what you’re talking about.

Goes to show what you know - nothing. Key Arena has been totally rebuilt and hosts a NHL team, along with several Redhawk games. Try to keep up here, you’re just embarrassing yourself further.

You started it, but I was more describing your behavior. It does suite you though. Maybe when a second Seattle fan joins the board, that can be their's.

So a list that ranks it top ten in the nation means nothing? Cool. Just a start. Do your own search, talk to your own folks, see what they say. Not my job to do it for you. The info is out there.

Awesome, an NHL team. Still ranks behind CPC in the one link I did provide. Congrats.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=...t=4&sim=11

Insert witty link to those articles here.

Isn’t that what your mascot wears?

there would not be much of an upside to fcs football unless it is a temporary starting point. fcs works for small regional schools that are able to mobilize the local fans that support their region or locality. there is little ad money and no national brand to bring a following. folks have scoffed at uta's basketball arena and attendance but few of the schools of posters on this topic are able to get "name" schools to come in for home games and left out was the 7,000 that came out when OU came in for a game and the near full house we had for nit games. plenty of the top programs will come in for basketball/baseball/softball games and track meets..by the way uta just finished 25th at the ncaa track finals with 10 making all american status. as for some folk's attempt to minimized the academic standing of uta..a tier one research school with a lot of solid programs, arent there a couple of schools in this conference that dont even graduate any phd's. as for the commuter school tag, uta graduated over 10,000 grads this year and I happened to be at one of the commencements where there were about 20,000 folks in attendance. the school may not have a sports minded administration but it is in reality quite a good school to send ones kids to. IMHO

(06-25-2022 01:48 PM)runamuck Wrote:  there would not be much of an upside to fcs football unless it is a temporary starting point. fcs works for small regional schools that are able to mobilize the local fans that support their region or locality. there is little ad money and no national brand to bring a following. folks have scoffed at uta's basketball arena and attendance but few of the schools of posters on this topic are able to get "name" schools to come in for home games and left out was the 7,000 that came out when OU came in for a game and the near full house we had for nit games. plenty of the top programs will come in for basketball/baseball/softball games and track meets..by the way uta just finished 25th at the ncaa track finals with 10 making all american status. as for some folk's attempt to minimized the academic standing of uta..a tier one research school with a lot of solid programs, arent there a couple of schools in this conference that dont even graduate any phd's. as for the commuter school tag, uta graduated over 10,000 grads this year and I happened to be at one of the commencements where there were about 20,000 folks in attendance. the school may not have a sports minded administration but it is in reality quite a good school to send ones kids to. IMHO

. . . and y’all’s Engineering school’s not too shabby either. Not at the level of UT or aTm, but not bad. And those Race Cars your students build every year are Awesome.

(06-30-2022 02:44 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2022 01:48 PM)runamuck Wrote:  there would not be much of an upside to fcs football unless it is a temporary starting point. fcs works for small regional schools that are able to mobilize the local fans that support their region or locality. there is little ad money and no national brand to bring a following. folks have scoffed at uta's basketball arena and attendance but few of the schools of posters on this topic are able to get "name" schools to come in for home games and left out was the 7,000 that came out when OU came in for a game and the near full house we had for nit games. plenty of the top programs will come in for basketball/baseball/softball games and track meets..by the way uta just finished 25th at the ncaa track finals with 10 making all american status. as for some folk's attempt to minimized the academic standing of uta..a tier one research school with a lot of solid programs, arent there a couple of schools in this conference that dont even graduate any phd's. as for the commuter school tag, uta graduated over 10,000 grads this year and I happened to be at one of the commencements where there were about 20,000 folks in attendance. the school may not have a sports minded administration but it is in reality quite a good school to send ones kids to. IMHO

. . . and y’all’s Engineering school’s not too shabby either. Not at the level of UT or aTm, but not bad. And those Race Cars your students build every year are Awesome.

those race cars are pretty cool and that team is usually one of the top finishers every year.

(06-30-2022 06:18 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 02:44 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2022 01:48 PM)runamuck Wrote:  there would not be much of an upside to fcs football unless it is a temporary starting point. fcs works for small regional schools that are able to mobilize the local fans that support their region or locality. there is little ad money and no national brand to bring a following. folks have scoffed at uta's basketball arena and attendance but few of the schools of posters on this topic are able to get "name" schools to come in for home games and left out was the 7,000 that came out when OU came in for a game and the near full house we had for nit games. plenty of the top programs will come in for basketball/baseball/softball games and track meets..by the way uta just finished 25th at the ncaa track finals with 10 making all american status. as for some folk's attempt to minimized the academic standing of uta..a tier one research school with a lot of solid programs, arent there a couple of schools in this conference that dont even graduate any phd's. as for the commuter school tag, uta graduated over 10,000 grads this year and I happened to be at one of the commencements where there were about 20,000 folks in attendance. the school may not have a sports minded administration but it is in reality quite a good school to send ones kids to. IMHO

. . . and y’all’s Engineering school’s not too shabby either. Not at the level of UT or aTm, but not bad. And those Race Cars your students build every year are Awesome.

those race cars are pretty cool and that team is usually one of the top finishers every year.

I was going to quibble about whose aerospace school is better, but you nailed the top three: TAMU, UT and UTA
https://scholarshipshall.com/best-aerosp...-in-texas/

(07-10-2022 11:55 AM)wewererebels Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 06:18 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 02:44 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2022 01:48 PM)runamuck Wrote:  there would not be much of an upside to fcs football unless it is a temporary starting point. fcs works for small regional schools that are able to mobilize the local fans that support their region or locality. there is little ad money and no national brand to bring a following. folks have scoffed at uta's basketball arena and attendance but few of the schools of posters on this topic are able to get "name" schools to come in for home games and left out was the 7,000 that came out when OU came in for a game and the near full house we had for nit games. plenty of the top programs will come in for basketball/baseball/softball games and track meets..by the way uta just finished 25th at the ncaa track finals with 10 making all american status. as for some folk's attempt to minimized the academic standing of uta..a tier one research school with a lot of solid programs, arent there a couple of schools in this conference that dont even graduate any phd's. as for the commuter school tag, uta graduated over 10,000 grads this year and I happened to be at one of the commencements where there were about 20,000 folks in attendance. the school may not have a sports minded administration but it is in reality quite a good school to send ones kids to. IMHO

. . . and y’all’s Engineering school’s not too shabby either. Not at the level of UT or aTm, but not bad. And those Race Cars your students build every year are Awesome.

those race cars are pretty cool and that team is usually one of the top finishers every year.

I was going to quibble about whose aerospace school is better, but you nailed the top three: TAMU, UT and UTA
https://scholarshipshall.com/best-aerosp...-in-texas/

well we have had several astronauts graduate from here and we have the only hypersonic wind tunnel at a university.

(07-11-2022 03:34 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-10-2022 11:55 AM)wewererebels Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 06:18 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(06-30-2022 02:44 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-25-2022 01:48 PM)runamuck Wrote:  there would not be much of an upside to fcs football unless it is a temporary starting point. fcs works for small regional schools that are able to mobilize the local fans that support their region or locality. there is little ad money and no national brand to bring a following. folks have scoffed at uta's basketball arena and attendance but few of the schools of posters on this topic are able to get "name" schools to come in for home games and left out was the 7,000 that came out when OU came in for a game and the near full house we had for nit games. plenty of the top programs will come in for basketball/baseball/softball games and track meets..by the way uta just finished 25th at the ncaa track finals with 10 making all american status. as for some folk's attempt to minimized the academic standing of uta..a tier one research school with a lot of solid programs, arent there a couple of schools in this conference that dont even graduate any phd's. as for the commuter school tag, uta graduated over 10,000 grads this year and I happened to be at one of the commencements where there were about 20,000 folks in attendance. the school may not have a sports minded administration but it is in reality quite a good school to send ones kids to. IMHO

. . . and y’all’s Engineering school’s not too shabby either. Not at the level of UT or aTm, but not bad. And those Race Cars your students build every year are Awesome.

those race cars are pretty cool and that team is usually one of the top finishers every year.

I was going to quibble about whose aerospace school is better, but you nailed the top three: TAMU, UT and UTA
https://scholarshipshall.com/best-aerosp...-in-texas/

well we have had several astronauts graduate from here and we have the only hypersonic wind tunnel at a university.

What a bunch of malarkey.

Well, back to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that FCS is the only sensible choice. I would keep a very close eye on what will happen at RGV and other startups, or recent startups. The intangibles are hard to measure, and even harder to correlate sometimes with the football program. When looking at Arlington, I think the actual costs of supporting a football team are often overstated and the benefits are downplayed. There are lots of poorer schools that have teams, yet we always hear how impossible it is financially to begin again at UTA. That is simply not true. Nor is it true that Arlington is somehow football saturated and cannot support another team. That is just a strawman argument raised by those who, for whatever reason, are resolutely opposed to football at UTA. San Antonio, not a notoriously football-crazy town, supports UTSA, UIW and Trinity. Or look at Louisiana - LSU, Tulane, Southeast LA, La Lafayette and Nichols State are all close to New Orleans and the Saints. It would make good sense for the new administration at UTA to explore the potential gains of adding football and women's soccer. A quarter million DFW area UTA alumni would enjoy having something to cheer about in the fall.

(07-18-2022 09:00 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  Well, back to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that FCS is the only sensible choice. I would keep a very close eye on what will happen at RGV and other startups, or recent startups. The intangibles are hard to measure, and even harder to correlate sometimes with the football program. When looking at Arlington, I think the actual costs of supporting a football team are often overstated and the benefits are downplayed. There are lots of poorer schools that have teams, yet we always hear how impossible it is financially to begin again at UTA. That is simply not true. Nor is it true that Arlington is somehow football saturated and cannot support another team. That is just a strawman argument raised by those who, for whatever reason, are resolutely opposed to football at UTA. San Antonio, not a notoriously football-crazy town, supports UTSA, UIW and Trinity. Or look at Louisiana - LSU, Tulane, Southeast LA, La Lafayette and Nichols State are all close to New Orleans and the Saints. It would make good sense for the new administration at UTA to explore the potential gains of adding football and women's soccer. A quarter million DFW area UTA alumni would enjoy having something to cheer about in the fall.

LMAO! UIW was a Top 25 football team last year and their best home attendance was 3,448 and they had 2 games with under 2,000 people. Trinity was 9-1 last year and had 2,021 people at the final home game. How is San Antonio supporting them??! UTSA didn’t even sell out the Alamodome for the CUSA championship game and had their best season ever. A school of 34,000 and a city of 1.4 million and they don’t sell out the Alamodome.

Dallas doesn’t support SMU, but they’re going to support UTA at a lower level? Makes no sense. If UTA wanted to be in FBS, they could have already done so and had a home in the Sun Belt. Now, they would have to hope CUSA is still around and would take them years down the line. That’s why FCS football wouldn’t be successful.

(07-19-2022 08:29 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 09:00 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  Well, back to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that FCS is the only sensible choice. I would keep a very close eye on what will happen at RGV and other startups, or recent startups. The intangibles are hard to measure, and even harder to correlate sometimes with the football program. When looking at Arlington, I think the actual costs of supporting a football team are often overstated and the benefits are downplayed. There are lots of poorer schools that have teams, yet we always hear how impossible it is financially to begin again at UTA. That is simply not true. Nor is it true that Arlington is somehow football saturated and cannot support another team. That is just a strawman argument raised by those who, for whatever reason, are resolutely opposed to football at UTA. San Antonio, not a notoriously football-crazy town, supports UTSA, UIW and Trinity. Or look at Louisiana - LSU, Tulane, Southeast LA, La Lafayette and Nichols State are all close to New Orleans and the Saints. It would make good sense for the new administration at UTA to explore the potential gains of adding football and women's soccer. A quarter million DFW area UTA alumni would enjoy having something to cheer about in the fall.

LMAO! UIW was a Top 25 football team last year and their best home attendance was 3,448 and they had 2 games with under 2,000 people. Trinity was 9-1 last year and had 2,021 people at the final home game. How is San Antonio supporting them??! UTSA didn’t even sell out the Alamodome for the CUSA championship game and had their best season ever. A school of 34,000 and a city of 1.4 million and they don’t sell out the Alamodome.

Dallas doesn’t support SMU, but they’re going to support UTA at a lower level? Makes no sense. If UTA wanted to be in FBS, they could have already done so and had a home in the Sun Belt. Now, they would have to hope CUSA is still around and would take them years down the line. That’s why FCS football wouldn’t be successful.

Thanks, Outlier. I appreciate your comments, although I don't subscribe to your apparent definition of success being based on game attendance. As I remarked above, intangibles are hard to measure. Perhaps for some schools, having basketball and the Olympic sports are enough to build alumni and community enthusiasm. But this is Texas, and you see just about all of the colleges and universities fielding teams. UTA has, like you, been an outlier in this regard. And I agree with you that FCS is not necessarily an answer. Perhaps a transitional stage, but not an end solution.

(07-19-2022 08:29 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 09:00 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  Well, back to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that FCS is the only sensible choice. I would keep a very close eye on what will happen at RGV and other startups, or recent startups. The intangibles are hard to measure, and even harder to correlate sometimes with the football program. When looking at Arlington, I think the actual costs of supporting a football team are often overstated and the benefits are downplayed. There are lots of poorer schools that have teams, yet we always hear how impossible it is financially to begin again at UTA. That is simply not true. Nor is it true that Arlington is somehow football saturated and cannot support another team. That is just a strawman argument raised by those who, for whatever reason, are resolutely opposed to football at UTA. San Antonio, not a notoriously football-crazy town, supports UTSA, UIW and Trinity. Or look at Louisiana - LSU, Tulane, Southeast LA, La Lafayette and Nichols State are all close to New Orleans and the Saints. It would make good sense for the new administration at UTA to explore the potential gains of adding football and women's soccer. A quarter million DFW area UTA alumni would enjoy having something to cheer about in the fall.

LMAO! UIW was a Top 25 football team last year and their best home attendance was 3,448 and they had 2 games with under 2,000 people. Trinity was 9-1 last year and had 2,021 people at the final home game. How is San Antonio supporting them??! UTSA didn’t even sell out the Alamodome for the CUSA championship game and had their best season ever. A school of 34,000 and a city of 1.4 million and they don’t sell out the Alamodome.

Dallas doesn’t support SMU, but they’re going to support UTA at a lower level? Makes no sense. If UTA wanted to be in FBS, they could have already done so and had a home in the Sun Belt. Now, they would have to hope CUSA is still around and would take them years down the line. That’s why FCS football wouldn’t be successful.

UTSA had an attendance of 41,148 for the CUSA championship game, the third highest ever in CUSA. There are P5 programs out there that would love to have 41k in their stadium, hell, some of the P5 dont even average more than 26k a season for attendance, which UTSA did. San Antonio is very supportive of UTSA. Sure Texas and Texas A&M rule the support aspect of it, but UTSA its share of support.

(07-19-2022 09:19 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 08:29 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 09:00 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  Well, back to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that FCS is the only sensible choice. I would keep a very close eye on what will happen at RGV and other startups, or recent startups. The intangibles are hard to measure, and even harder to correlate sometimes with the football program. When looking at Arlington, I think the actual costs of supporting a football team are often overstated and the benefits are downplayed. There are lots of poorer schools that have teams, yet we always hear how impossible it is financially to begin again at UTA. That is simply not true. Nor is it true that Arlington is somehow football saturated and cannot support another team. That is just a strawman argument raised by those who, for whatever reason, are resolutely opposed to football at UTA. San Antonio, not a notoriously football-crazy town, supports UTSA, UIW and Trinity. Or look at Louisiana - LSU, Tulane, Southeast LA, La Lafayette and Nichols State are all close to New Orleans and the Saints. It would make good sense for the new administration at UTA to explore the potential gains of adding football and women's soccer. A quarter million DFW area UTA alumni would enjoy having something to cheer about in the fall.

LMAO! UIW was a Top 25 football team last year and their best home attendance was 3,448 and they had 2 games with under 2,000 people. Trinity was 9-1 last year and had 2,021 people at the final home game. How is San Antonio supporting them??! UTSA didn’t even sell out the Alamodome for the CUSA championship game and had their best season ever. A school of 34,000 and a city of 1.4 million and they don’t sell out the Alamodome.

Dallas doesn’t support SMU, but they’re going to support UTA at a lower level? Makes no sense. If UTA wanted to be in FBS, they could have already done so and had a home in the Sun Belt. Now, they would have to hope CUSA is still around and would take them years down the line. That’s why FCS football wouldn’t be successful.

UTSA had an attendance of 41,148 for the CUSA championship game, the third highest ever in CUSA. There are P5 programs out there that would love to have 41k in their stadium, hell, some of the P5 dont even average more than 26k a season for attendance, which UTSA did. San Antonio is very supportive of UTSA. Sure Texas and Texas A&M rule the support aspect of it, but UTSA its share of support.

Which P5 programs would love to have 41k for their games? That 41k is a one off and not the standard. Which P5 programs aren’t averaging 26k a year?

(07-19-2022 09:46 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 09:19 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 08:29 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 09:00 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  Well, back to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that FCS is the only sensible choice. I would keep a very close eye on what will happen at RGV and other startups, or recent startups. The intangibles are hard to measure, and even harder to correlate sometimes with the football program. When looking at Arlington, I think the actual costs of supporting a football team are often overstated and the benefits are downplayed. There are lots of poorer schools that have teams, yet we always hear how impossible it is financially to begin again at UTA. That is simply not true. Nor is it true that Arlington is somehow football saturated and cannot support another team. That is just a strawman argument raised by those who, for whatever reason, are resolutely opposed to football at UTA. San Antonio, not a notoriously football-crazy town, supports UTSA, UIW and Trinity. Or look at Louisiana - LSU, Tulane, Southeast LA, La Lafayette and Nichols State are all close to New Orleans and the Saints. It would make good sense for the new administration at UTA to explore the potential gains of adding football and women's soccer. A quarter million DFW area UTA alumni would enjoy having something to cheer about in the fall.

LMAO! UIW was a Top 25 football team last year and their best home attendance was 3,448 and they had 2 games with under 2,000 people. Trinity was 9-1 last year and had 2,021 people at the final home game. How is San Antonio supporting them??! UTSA didn’t even sell out the Alamodome for the CUSA championship game and had their best season ever. A school of 34,000 and a city of 1.4 million and they don’t sell out the Alamodome.

Dallas doesn’t support SMU, but they’re going to support UTA at a lower level? Makes no sense. If UTA wanted to be in FBS, they could have already done so and had a home in the Sun Belt. Now, they would have to hope CUSA is still around and would take them years down the line. That’s why FCS football wouldn’t be successful.

UTSA had an attendance of 41,148 for the CUSA championship game, the third highest ever in CUSA. There are P5 programs out there that would love to have 41k in their stadium, hell, some of the P5 dont even average more than 26k a season for attendance, which UTSA did. San Antonio is very supportive of UTSA. Sure Texas and Texas A&M rule the support aspect of it, but UTSA its share of support.

Which P5 programs would love to have 41k for their games? That 41k is a one off and not the standard. Which P5 programs aren’t averaging 26k a year?

Using the past season's NCAA statistics,

Below 26k average

Duke - 15,424
Kansas - 22,026
Washington St - 23,217
Vanderbilt - 23,458

41k in attendance

I didn't look it up, but just eye-balling average attendance <41K, there are around 15 possibilities of P5 programs that would potentially like to have 41k in attendance.

Link - NCAA Statistics

(Check the Miscellaneous reports.)

Duck, UTSAMarineVet and LUSportsFan. I don’t know why your arguing with DoubleDeez. He’s clearly an expert on all things football and sports in Texas. Best to just learn from him and say thank you for the bountiful wisdom provide by his presence on this board.

(07-19-2022 10:15 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 09:46 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 09:19 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(07-19-2022 08:29 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(07-18-2022 09:00 PM)wewererebels Wrote:  Well, back to the subject of this thread, I'm not entirely convinced that FCS is the only sensible choice. I would keep a very close eye on what will happen at RGV and other startups, or recent startups. The intangibles are hard to measure, and even harder to correlate sometimes with the football program. When looking at Arlington, I think the actual costs of supporting a football team are often overstated and the benefits are downplayed. There are lots of poorer schools that have teams, yet we always hear how impossible it is financially to begin again at UTA. That is simply not true. Nor is it true that Arlington is somehow football saturated and cannot support another team. That is just a strawman argument raised by those who, for whatever reason, are resolutely opposed to football at UTA. San Antonio, not a notoriously football-crazy town, supports UTSA, UIW and Trinity. Or look at Louisiana - LSU, Tulane, Southeast LA, La Lafayette and Nichols State are all close to New Orleans and the Saints. It would make good sense for the new administration at UTA to explore the potential gains of adding football and women's soccer. A quarter million DFW area UTA alumni would enjoy having something to cheer about in the fall.

LMAO! UIW was a Top 25 football team last year and their best home attendance was 3,448 and they had 2 games with under 2,000 people. Trinity was 9-1 last year and had 2,021 people at the final home game. How is San Antonio supporting them??! UTSA didn’t even sell out the Alamodome for the CUSA championship game and had their best season ever. A school of 34,000 and a city of 1.4 million and they don’t sell out the Alamodome.

Dallas doesn’t support SMU, but they’re going to support UTA at a lower level? Makes no sense. If UTA wanted to be in FBS, they could have already done so and had a home in the Sun Belt. Now, they would have to hope CUSA is still around and would take them years down the line. That’s why FCS football wouldn’t be successful.

UTSA had an attendance of 41,148 for the CUSA championship game, the third highest ever in CUSA. There are P5 programs out there that would love to have 41k in their stadium, hell, some of the P5 dont even average more than 26k a season for attendance, which UTSA did. San Antonio is very supportive of UTSA. Sure Texas and Texas A&M rule the support aspect of it, but UTSA its share of support.

Which P5 programs would love to have 41k for their games? That 41k is a one off and not the standard. Which P5 programs aren’t averaging 26k a year?

Using the past season's NCAA statistics,

Below 26k average

Duke - 15,424
Kansas - 22,026
Washington St - 23,217
Vanderbilt - 23,458

41k in attendance

I didn't look it up, but just eye-balling average attendance <41K, there are around 15 possibilities of P5 programs that would potentially like to have 41k in attendance.

Link - NCAA Statistics

(Check the Miscellaneous reports.)

So the 4 worst P5 teams historically. UTSA’s best year ever > decades of losing.