Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
Author Message
PeteTheChop Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,034
Joined: Apr 2007
Reputation: 135
I Root For: C-A-N-E-S
Location: North Florida lifer
Post: #1
Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
Conference USA 2023
Florida International
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee State
New Mexico State
Sam Houston State
UTEP
Western Kentucky

Two quality mid-major brands (same can be said for La Tech) seemingly joined together at the hip.

Would the league still be considered to be on the same tier as the other four "G-5" conferences?

And how would Conference USA backfill those two departures?

Could Judy and her brainfarts braintrust simply continue its M.O. of calling up FCS programs and limp along as an FBS conference or would somebody step in and pull the plug?

Something to be said for a catch-all conference with "room at the inn" for schools with FBS aspirations
(This post was last modified: 06-15-2022 11:29 AM by PeteTheChop.)
06-15-2022 11:27 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Yosef181 Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 323
Joined: Sep 2021
Reputation: 67
I Root For: Appalachian State
Location:
Post: #2
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
I don't think the Sun Belt would take MTSU back. Watch out for WKU though. I know they almost went to the MAC, but if there's ever an opening in the SBC, I'm sure the Hilltoppers will be on the shortlist of candidates to fill it.

As for who C-USA could backfill with? They seem to be saving Tarleton State and Eastern Kentucky for the future. It would make sense to backfill a WKU loss with EKU.
(This post was last modified: 06-15-2022 11:49 AM by Yosef181.)
06-15-2022 11:34 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CitrusUCF Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,235
Joined: Jan 2008
Reputation: 244
I Root For: UCF
Location:
Post: #3
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years. People need to calm down and let it play out. Including leadership at WKU and MTSU.
06-15-2022 11:38 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
PeteTheChop Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,034
Joined: Apr 2007
Reputation: 135
I Root For: C-A-N-E-S
Location: North Florida lifer
Post: #4
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years.

How?
06-15-2022 11:40 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ChrisLords Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,297
Joined: Jun 2007
Reputation: 205
I Root For: Virginia Tech
Location: Earth
Post: #5
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 11:40 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years.

How?

With Liberty and SHSU. Liberty is at an absolute financial advantage and SHSU comes from a winning tradition.
06-15-2022 11:42 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Troy_Fan_15 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 2,747
Joined: Dec 2016
Reputation: 115
I Root For: TROY
Location:
Post: #6
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
No. They would find 2-3 more teams to bring up from FCS. EKU has had desire to move up, in the past for example, and could take WKU's spot if they ever moved to the MAC or anywhere else. I think C-USA still has good potential and their only major disadvantage is how geographic far flung the conference is. They are just in the same position the Sun Belt was in circa 2012/13.
(This post was last modified: 06-15-2022 11:44 AM by Troy_Fan_15.)
06-15-2022 11:42 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


IWokeUpLikeThis Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,745
Joined: Jul 2014
Reputation: 682
I Root For: NIU, Chicago St
Location:
Post: #7
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
C-USA already survived being shot down to 5 so they'll survive a temporary state of 7. If C-USA was ever going to die, it would've been last year.
06-15-2022 11:42 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
IWokeUpLikeThis Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,745
Joined: Jul 2014
Reputation: 682
I Root For: NIU, Chicago St
Location:
Post: #8
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 11:42 AM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  No. They would find 2-3 more teams to bring up from FCS. EKU has had desire to move up, in the past for example, and could take WKU's spot if they ever moved to the MAC or anywhere else.

Yes, they would just backfill with willing schools like Tarleton, EKU, & McNeese. North Carolina A&T also stated FBS as its goal a few years back, so there's 9.
06-15-2022 11:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ChrisLords Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,297
Joined: Jun 2007
Reputation: 205
I Root For: Virginia Tech
Location: Earth
Post: #9
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 11:27 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Conference USA 2023
Florida International
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee State
New Mexico State
Sam Houston State
UTEP
Western Kentucky

Two quality mid-major brands (same can be said for La Tech) seemingly joined together at the hip.

Would the league still be considered to be on the same tier as the other four "G-5" conferences?

And how would Conference USA backfill those two departures?

Could Judy and her brainfarts braintrust simply continue its M.O. of calling up FCS programs and limp along as an FBS conference or would somebody step in and pull the plug?

Something to be said for a catch-all conference with "room at the inn" for schools with FBS aspirations

They wouldn't be mortally wounded because they can always take more FCS schools to get to 8 and the ASUN is always there in case they want to do a merger.

But it would hurt. If those 2 left and 2 others they'd be down to 5 and would lose their guaranteed NCAA tournament bids for their champions. Then it's up to the NCAA. If they get it back in one year, they'll be fine. If it's in question how long it will be before they get it back they will probably have trouble attracting new schools.
(This post was last modified: 06-15-2022 11:47 AM by ChrisLords.)
06-15-2022 11:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
PeteTheChop Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,034
Joined: Apr 2007
Reputation: 135
I Root For: C-A-N-E-S
Location: North Florida lifer
Post: #10
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 11:42 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  C-USA already survived being shot down to 5 so they'll survive a temporary state of 7. If C-USA was ever going to die, it would've been last year.

"The Jeep will never die"
06-15-2022 11:51 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Nerdlinger Offline
Realignment Enthusiast
*

Posts: 4,385
Joined: May 2017
Reputation: 307
I Root For: Realignment!
Location: Murica
Post: #11
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
Nah. Schools like EKU and SFA are already on deck. Having 4 members transitioning to D1 out of 9 would result in some difficulties regarding autobids, but I'm sure the league can get the waivers it would need. Or maybe the rules around transitioning members will be relaxed so that the issue is moot.
06-15-2022 11:55 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Blue_Trombone Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 5,985
Joined: Nov 2011
Reputation: 268
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location:
Post: #12
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 11:42 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 11:40 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years.

How?

With Liberty and SHSU. Liberty is at an absolute financial advantage and SHSU comes from a winning tradition.

I think JSU has a much better chance of success transitioning to FBS. SHSU is good in FCS but I think that's their ceiling. Look at their facilities for goodness sake, they're worse than FIU's!
06-15-2022 11:55 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CitrusUCF Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,235
Joined: Jan 2008
Reputation: 244
I Root For: UCF
Location:
Post: #13
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 11:40 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years.

How?

Demographics and ambition. The MAC has neither. The MAC schools are reliant on talent from the South to fill key roles. Go scan their rosters, and you'll see plenty of guys from GA, AL, FL, TX. There's no MAC program that has any ambition to be anything more than a payday game for B1G teams. That has been made apparent time and again with their investment levels.

On the other hand, the CUSA teams are in solid football recruiting areas. Yes, there's limits even to the amount of talent that FL, GA, TX and the others produce. But you can find a lot more legit 2* guys with potential in those states than in the Midwestern states. Plus these CUSA programs have ambition. Liberty, of course, but these other schools moving up to D1 want to succeed. They're making investments, and they're going to expect success in football.

CUSA has a decent mix of proven, generally successful programs with new high ambition programs that the MAC doesn't. Buffalo is the only MAC program that seems to have any ambition whatsoever.
(This post was last modified: 06-15-2022 12:05 PM by CitrusUCF.)
06-15-2022 12:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Schadenfreude Offline
Professional Tractor Puller
*

Posts: 8,529
Joined: Jun 2003
Reputation: 123
I Root For: Bowling Green
Location: Colorado

CrappiesCrappiesCrappies
Post: #14
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 12:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Demographics and ambition. The MAC has neither. The MAC schools are reliant on talent from the South to fill key roles. Go scan their rosters, and you'll see plenty of guys from GA, AL, FL, TX. There's no MAC program that has any ambition to be anything more than a payday game for B1G teams. That has been made apparent time and again with their investment levels.

On the other hand, the CUSA teams are in solid football recruiting areas.

It is doubtful that Conference USA will ever catch the MAC.

Sure, Liberty has vast potential. It is the Notre Dame of MAGA country, and it is oozing in money. Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, and Louisiana Tech are decent programs. But none of these schools really want to be in Conference USA.

At the end of the day, Conference USA is a combination of FCS call ups and more established programs that already have their eyes on the door. I don't see how this motley crew ever catches the MAC.

Ohio and western Pennsylvania is a solid football recruiting area, and it always has been. As for the Big Ten: the MAC wins its share. Bowling Green only managed four wins last year, but this was one of them...



(This post was last modified: 06-15-2022 12:34 PM by Schadenfreude.)
06-15-2022 12:33 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dawgonit Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 470
Joined: Nov 2010
Reputation: 129
I Root For: LaTech
Location:
Post: #15
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 12:33 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 12:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Demographics and ambition. The MAC has neither. The MAC schools are reliant on talent from the South to fill key roles. Go scan their rosters, and you'll see plenty of guys from GA, AL, FL, TX. There's no MAC program that has any ambition to be anything more than a payday game for B1G teams. That has been made apparent time and again with their investment levels.

On the other hand, the CUSA teams are in solid football recruiting areas.

It is doubtful that Conference USA will ever catch the MAC.

Sure, Liberty has vast potential. It is the Notre Dame of MAGA country, and it is oozing in money. Western Kentucky, Middle Tennessee, and Louisiana Tech are decent programs. But none of these schools really want to be in Conference USA.

At the end of the day, Conference USA is a combination of FCS call ups and more established programs that already have their eyes on the door. I don't see how this motley crew ever catches the MAC.

I don't see a connection between competitiveness and schools wanting to leave the conference. CUSA has basically always been a stepping stone to other conferences but that didn't hinder it from being one of the best G5/Non-BCS conferences for a long time. Just because schools want to leave doesn't mean it won't be competitive.
06-15-2022 12:44 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DavidSt Online
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 17,507
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 234
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #16
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 12:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 11:40 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years.

How?

Demographics and ambition. The MAC has neither. The MAC schools are reliant on talent from the South to fill key roles. Go scan their rosters, and you'll see plenty of guys from GA, AL, FL, TX. There's no MAC program that has any ambition to be anything more than a payday game for B1G teams. That has been made apparent time and again with their investment levels.

On the other hand, the CUSA teams are in solid football recruiting areas. Yes, there's limits even to the amount of talent that FL, GA, TX and the others produce. But you can find a lot more legit 2* guys with potential in those states than in the Midwestern states. Plus these CUSA programs have ambition. Liberty, of course, but these other schools moving up to D1 want to succeed. They're making investments, and they're going to expect success in football.

CUSA has a decent mix of proven, generally successful programs with new high ambition programs that the MAC doesn't. Buffalo is the only MAC program that seems to have any ambition whatsoever.

Northern Illinois applied to be a member of the Big 12 a few years ago. I would not count any MAC schools out for not wanted to jump to get more money. They would jump for more money if the AAC called on them which I am surprise that AAC did not went for Buffalo, Toledo or Ohio.
06-15-2022 12:44 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


IWokeUpLikeThis Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 9,745
Joined: Jul 2014
Reputation: 682
I Root For: NIU, Chicago St
Location:
Post: #17
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
Keep in mind that NIU had a lot of success monopolizing those sub-P5 players in the Great Plains states where there's a blackhole of regional G5 options. Ohio and western PA might not be TX or FL, but they're talent-rich areas with minimal G5 competition.

C-USA is better than people think, but there'll be ultimately no tangible difference between MAC/C-USA.
06-15-2022 12:45 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
whittx Online
1st String
*

Posts: 1,784
Joined: Apr 2016
Reputation: 60
I Root For: FSU, Bport,Corn
Location:
Post: #18
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 12:04 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 11:40 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years.

How?

Demographics and ambition. The MAC has neither. The MAC schools are reliant on talent from the South to fill key roles. Go scan their rosters, and you'll see plenty of guys from GA, AL, FL, TX. There's no MAC program that has any ambition to be anything more than a payday game for B1G teams. That has been made apparent time and again with their investment levels.

On the other hand, the CUSA teams are in solid football recruiting areas. Yes, there's limits even to the amount of talent that FL, GA, TX and the others produce. But you can find a lot more legit 2* guys with potential in those states than in the Midwestern states. Plus these CUSA programs have ambition. Liberty, of course, but these other schools moving up to D1 want to succeed. They're making investments, and they're going to expect success in football.

CUSA has a decent mix of proven, generally successful programs with new high ambition programs that the MAC doesn't. Buffalo is the only MAC program that seems to have any ambition whatsoever.

UB is there because it has a different academic mission than most MAC schools (Public flagship vs 2nd/3rd level public school) . Problem is the school hasn't built the donor/alumni base to a point where they can fund a stadium renovation/rebuild. The 20 years in the wilderness killed 2 generations of development.
06-15-2022 12:47 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
PeteTheChop Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,034
Joined: Apr 2007
Reputation: 135
I Root For: C-A-N-E-S
Location: North Florida lifer
Post: #19
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 12:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Northern Illinois applied to be a member of the Big 12 a few years ago.

"Hey, has anybody heard back from the Big 12? We sent in our application three years ago but it's been crickets ever since. Wonder if it got lost in the mail?"
06-15-2022 12:51 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
PeteTheChop Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 1,034
Joined: Apr 2007
Reputation: 135
I Root For: C-A-N-E-S
Location: North Florida lifer
Post: #20
RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 12:47 PM)whittx Wrote:  Problem is (UB) hasn't built the donor/alumni base to a point where they can fund a stadium renovation/rebuild. The 20 years in the wilderness killed 2 generations of development.

That and the 800-pound Bison in nearby Orchard Park
(This post was last modified: 06-15-2022 12:56 PM by PeteTheChop.)
06-15-2022 12:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2022 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2022 MyBB Group.