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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 05:58 PM)inutech Wrote:  
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(06-15-2022 02:56 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Is the present tense, probably not.

In the past tense, absolutely. Had those 2 announced a move to the MAC before C-USA announced the 4 expansion schools, the 3 leftovers would have been in a pickle. I think FIU and LA Tech would have lobbied hard to get into the SBC.

"Hey guys!! How's everything going in Lafayette and Monroe? This is your buddies calling from Louisiana Tech wondering if we could ask a really big favor ... "

"Hello? Hello? Are y'all still on the line."

We play them both in almost every sport every year and would be the biggest draw for either.

Supposedly they both would have supported an invitation this last go around.

But Tech's real mean and all and narratives are fun. Remember when we cost CUSA billions and burned endless bridges because mean ole Tech was solely responsible for not updating next year's football schedule promptly enough?

Well, that and the Kennedy assassination.
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
EKU,ACU,UMass would all come running if given the chance so j doubt it would be a killshot.
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-15-2022 12:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  They would jump for more money if the AAC called on them which I am surprise that AAC did not went for Buffalo, Toledo or Ohio.

No MAC School is leaving for that Conference just due to stability alone, especially if Navy decides to bail ....

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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
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The CUSA is going to struggle with WKU & MTSU, so it would struggle to an even greater extent without them unless they the conference were to make a bold move and bring in new members with national visibility (e.g., UConn FB, UMass FB, NDSU FB, S. Dak. State FB, and matching basketball (non-FB) members).
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-16-2022 01:34 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

The CUSA is going to struggle with WKU & MTSU, so it would struggle to an even greater extent without them unless they the conference were to make a bold move and bring in new members with national visibility (e.g., UConn FB, UMass FB, NDSU FB, S. Dak. State FB, and matching basketball (non-FB) members).

Bold moves! To save the conference bring in the very select FBS teams that would finish last in the standings or additional FCS schools located really far away in low population states.

Otherwise? Doom!
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-16-2022 06:22 AM)inutech Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 01:34 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

The CUSA is going to struggle with WKU & MTSU, so it would struggle to an even greater extent without them unless they the conference were to make a bold move and bring in new members with national visibility (e.g., UConn FB, UMass FB, NDSU FB, S. Dak. State FB, and matching basketball (non-FB) members).

Bold moves! To save the conference bring in the very select FBS teams that would finish last in the standings or additional FCS schools located really far away in low population states.

Otherwise? Doom!

You may not realize this, but North Dakota State finished the season ranked #38th in the nation last season, ahead of all but 3 or 4 G5 teams.
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-16-2022 01:34 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

The CUSA is going to struggle with WKU & MTSU, so it would struggle to an even greater extent without them unless they the conference were to make a bold move and bring in new members with national visibility (e.g., UConn FB, UMass FB, NDSU FB, S. Dak. State FB, and matching basketball (non-FB) members).

I know your intent is to pimp the Dakotas and that's OK but CUSA 4.0 is gonna surprise lots of folks. All nine schools care about basketball (Rare at the G5 level) and several have legit basketball pedigrees...UTEP, WKU, NMSU are perrenially successful and even MTSU, Liberty, and LaTech have a good hsitory. SHSU, FIU, and JaxSt hold their own as well.

In football, LaTech, WKU, MTSU, and Liberty would finish well in any G5 conference year after year. That's a solid core. SHSU & JaxSt are successful FCS callups and UTEp went bowling last year so they may have turned the corner. No longer will CUSA be bottom heavy.

I realize there will be a flood of SBC fans, as they always do, come here to slam my analysis because as we all know, the SBC with their 4 or 5 good teams and 9 or 10 bottom feeders is the next best thing since sliced bread.

Mark my words, CUSA 4.0 will be fine unless we make the mistake the SBC just did and over expand.

I see CUSA 4.0 finishing 3rd or 4th out of 5 G5's on a regular basis. It may take a year or two for SHSU and JaxSt to get on their feet (and I wouldn't be surprised if they're successful out of the gate) but altho adding the Dakotas for football might prop up CUSA 4.0 a little in football, it would likely result in further flight. , especially from WKU, MTSU, and maybe LaTech if they have other options.
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-16-2022 06:50 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 01:34 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

The CUSA is going to struggle with WKU & MTSU, so it would struggle to an even greater extent without them unless they the conference were to make a bold move and bring in new members with national visibility (e.g., UConn FB, UMass FB, NDSU FB, S. Dak. State FB, and matching basketball (non-FB) members).

I know your intent is to pimp the Dakotas and that's OK but CUSA 4.0 is gonna surprise lots of folks. All nine schools care about basketball (Rare at the G5 level) and several have legit basketball pedigrees...UTEP, WKU, NMSU are perrenially successful and even MTSU, Liberty, and LaTech have a good hsitory. SHSU, FIU, and JaxSt hold their own as well.

In football, LaTech, WKU, MTSU, and Liberty would finish well in any G5 conference year after year. That's a solid core. SHSU & JaxSt are successful FCS callups and UTEp went bowling last year so they may have turned the corner. No longer will CUSA be bottom heavy.

I realize there will be a flood of SBC fans, as they always do, come here to slam my analysis because as we all know, the SBC with their 4 or 5 good teams and 9 or 10 bottom feeders is the next best thing since sliced bread.

Mark my words, CUSA 4.0 will be fine unless we make the mistake the SBC just did and over expand.

I see CUSA 4.0 finishing 3rd or 4th out of 5 G5's on a regular basis. It may take a year or two for SHSU and JaxSt to get on their feet (and I wouldn't be surprised if they're successful out of the gate) but altho adding the Dakotas for football might prop up CUSA 4.0 a little in football, it would likely result in further flight. , especially from WKU, MTSU, and maybe LaTech if they have other options.

Serious question-

Is it safe to say your administration doesn't feel the same since they made a presentation to the SBC and then tried to leave for the MAC when that didn't work out?
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-16-2022 07:16 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 06:50 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 01:34 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

The CUSA is going to struggle with WKU & MTSU, so it would struggle to an even greater extent without them unless they the conference were to make a bold move and bring in new members with national visibility (e.g., UConn FB, UMass FB, NDSU FB, S. Dak. State FB, and matching basketball (non-FB) members).

I know your intent is to pimp the Dakotas and that's OK but CUSA 4.0 is gonna surprise lots of folks. All nine schools care about basketball (Rare at the G5 level) and several have legit basketball pedigrees...UTEP, WKU, NMSU are perrenially successful and even MTSU, Liberty, and LaTech have a good hsitory. SHSU, FIU, and JaxSt hold their own as well.

In football, LaTech, WKU, MTSU, and Liberty would finish well in any G5 conference year after year. That's a solid core. SHSU & JaxSt are successful FCS callups and UTEp went bowling last year so they may have turned the corner. No longer will CUSA be bottom heavy.

I realize there will be a flood of SBC fans, as they always do, come here to slam my analysis because as we all know, the SBC with their 4 or 5 good teams and 9 or 10 bottom feeders is the next best thing since sliced bread.

Mark my words, CUSA 4.0 will be fine unless we make the mistake the SBC just did and over expand.

I see CUSA 4.0 finishing 3rd or 4th out of 5 G5's on a regular basis. It may take a year or two for SHSU and JaxSt to get on their feet (and I wouldn't be surprised if they're successful out of the gate) but altho adding the Dakotas for football might prop up CUSA 4.0 a little in football, it would likely result in further flight. , especially from WKU, MTSU, and maybe LaTech if they have other options.

Serious question-

Is it safe to say your administration doesn't feel the same since they made a presentation to the SBC and then tried to leave for the MAC when that didn't work out?

Like most of us casual fans, we rarely know what our school administration truly thinks. Yes, WKU made a presentation to the SBC and made overtures to the MAC when it appeared CUSA was gonna dissolve. Any AD would have done the same, and many did. Did the additions of Liberty, NMSU, SHSU and JaxSt change that dynamic? I dunno but I imagine the additions of Liberty and NMSU were perceived as homeruns and saved the conference. Personally, I'm ecstatic the SBC didn't want WKU. It would have been a disaster for our basketball program. I'm 50/50 on the MAC. I like the schools and the geography doesn't bother me but I truly feel 14 schools in a G5 Conference is a mistake...i.e. CUSA 3.0. It works at the P5 level but I don't believe it will at the g5 level.
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-16-2022 06:34 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 06:22 AM)inutech Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 01:34 AM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

The CUSA is going to struggle with WKU & MTSU, so it would struggle to an even greater extent without them unless they the conference were to make a bold move and bring in new members with national visibility (e.g., UConn FB, UMass FB, NDSU FB, S. Dak. State FB, and matching basketball (non-FB) members).

Bold moves! To save the conference bring in the very select FBS teams that would finish last in the standings or additional FCS schools located really far away in low population states.

Otherwise? Doom!

You may not realize this, but North Dakota State finished the season ranked #38th in the nation last season, ahead of all but 3 or 4 G5 teams.

Right. And a gazillion people watched their FCS playoff games.

NDSU is a really good football program. I'm not disputing that.

I just don't think CUSA should expand any more given the options (including NDSU). UConn might bring in a tiny bit more money but that's offset by the distance and how bad they are. UMass has the distance and the bad football without much chance of helping with media money. The Dakotas are much better on the field than UMass or UConn but don't help with the money and are far away (even if we are willing to assume they'd be just as successful at the FBS level, which could go either way).
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
maybe, maybe not but i think its a pointless exercise since the MAC was the only conference with room at the inn and it didn't work out.
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(06-16-2022 07:32 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Yes, WKU made a presentation to the SBC and made overtures to the MAC when it appeared CUSA was gonna dissolve.

So C-USA actually was on its deathbed within the last 12 months?

Didn't know things had gotten that bleak
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(06-16-2022 10:52 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 07:32 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Yes, WKU made a presentation to the SBC and made overtures to the MAC when it appeared CUSA was gonna dissolve.

So C-USA actually was on its deathbed within the last 12 months?

Didn't know things had gotten that bleak

9 of 14 schools announcing within a matter of weeks of each other that they would be leaving? Yes, lots of uncertainty for a short period until CUSA announced they'd be bringing in NMsU, Liberty, JaxSt, and ShSU.
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
Kill shot as an actual FBS conference?

No, the conference office would just organize more low-end bottom-scrapers around it to keep the edifice going.

As a functionally good FBS conference? That's probably already happened.
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(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years. People need to calm down and let it play out. Including leadership at WKU and MTSU.

Not sure the only G5 ahead of CUSA now is MWC. Will be hard to overtake one who you are ahead of.
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RE: Would WKU + MTSU leaving deliver a kill shot to C-USA as an FBS league?
(06-16-2022 10:52 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 07:32 AM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Yes, WKU made a presentation to the SBC and made overtures to the MAC when it appeared CUSA was gonna dissolve.

So C-USA actually was on its deathbed within the last 12 months?

Didn't know things had gotten that bleak

I imagine there were a lot of different things that could have happened back in the Fall. I'm sure every school was planning for a lot of different contingencies.

If we ended up with just 3 schools, in particular those 3 schools (one in Miami, one in El Paso, and one in Ruston) everything would have been on the table. But that would include just adding 5 new teams instead of only 4 (you only need 8). Maybe Liberty isn't interested anymore, but more FCS teams probably would have been. Maybe the other G5 conferences do what I'd wish they had done and finish it off by inviting the last 3. Maybe the 3 just scrap it and go independent.

But it didn't happen that way. So now if two schools leave, the other 7 will invite 2 more. And maybe (depending on who leaves and who comes on-board and how programs do over time) we're worse off or better off.

In the meantime, I guess we'll just continue to average a couple insincere troll-job hypotheticals per week around here.

"Does anyone know when CUSA will redesign their logo now that they've been destroyed for all intents and purposes?"

"What horrible CUSA school is responsible for pushing out all those other teams?"

"How bad will the CUSA media deal be compared to the $ZILLIONS$ that will now be made by the new improved SB when all 14 SB teams go undefeated in the same year???"


*we already know the answer to the second one above, but that won't stop a 4 page thread from popping up when someone "just happens to be wondering"
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(06-15-2022 04:35 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I feel like Louisiana Tech would take independence over joining the Sun Belt, at least as long as ULL and ULM are in the league.

I disagree. If the Sun Belt chose to go to 16 teams Louisiana Tech would be a great team to add. I feel the same way about bringing Western Kentucky back. At some point everybody has to let bygones be bygones and do what's best for the collective whole. If the day comes we push 16 I could see that being a sign of a potential split anyway in the conference though. The only teams in serious trouble are geographic outliers.
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(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  "Does anyone know when CUSA will redesign their logo now that they've been destroyed for all intents and purposes?"

"What horrible CUSA school is responsible for pushing out all those other teams?"

"How bad will the CUSA media deal be compared to the $ZILLIONS$ that will now be made by the new improved SB when all 14 SB teams go undefeated in the same year???"

... and maybe the most pertinent of all: "Might LaTech have avoided being left on a listing ship had its haughty former AD not been so eager two years ago to publicly belittle the Sun Belt?" 03-wink

And, inutech, any jibes here are all in fun. I grew up in family of nothing but Gators and Noles ... you can imagine what kind of trash talking went down with that existence. Nobody laughs harder at seeing the Canes mocked than I do. All part of what we go through as sports fans.

Good luck to the Bulldogs.
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(06-16-2022 12:18 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 11:34 AM)inutech Wrote:  "Does anyone know when CUSA will redesign their logo now that they've been destroyed for all intents and purposes?"

"What horrible CUSA school is responsible for pushing out all those other teams?"

"How bad will the CUSA media deal be compared to the $ZILLIONS$ that will now be made by the new improved SB when all 14 SB teams go undefeated in the same year???"

... and maybe the most pertinent of all: "Might LaTech have avoided being left on a listing ship had its haughty former AD not been so eager two years ago to publicly belittle the Sun Belt?" 03-wink

And, inutech, any jibes here are all in fun. I grew up in family of nothing but Gators and Noles ... you can imagine what kind of trash talking went down with that existence. Nobody laughs harder at seeing the Canes mocked than I do. All part of what we go through as sports fans.

Good luck to the Bulldogs.

this is why long term La Tech needs to be in the SBC. THeres way too much hatred there to not capitalize.
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(06-15-2022 03:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  
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(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years.

How?

Demographics and ambition. The MAC has neither. The MAC schools are reliant on talent from the South to fill key roles. Go scan their rosters, and you'll see plenty of guys from GA, AL, FL, TX. There's no MAC program that has any ambition to be anything more than a payday game for B1G teams. That has been made apparent time and again with their investment levels.

On the other hand, the CUSA teams are in solid football recruiting areas. Yes, there's limits even to the amount of talent that FL, GA, TX and the others produce. But you can find a lot more legit 2* guys with potential in those states than in the Midwestern states. Plus these CUSA programs have ambition. Liberty, of course, but these other schools moving up to D1 want to succeed. They're making investments, and they're going to expect success in football.

CUSA has a decent mix of proven, generally successful programs with new high ambition programs that the MAC doesn't. Buffalo is the only MAC program that seems to have any ambition whatsoever.

What does being in a "solid football recruiting area" do for you if all you are getting is 2 star players from that area? You can get those anywhere, including in the MAC footprint.

But D-I conferences appear to be immortal. You can't kill them if you tried.

Lots of Florida, Georgia, and Texas 2* guys would be 3* if they played in the Rust Belt. 2* players aren't all equal, and the Southern states have more of them and a deeper talent level even at that ranking.

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(06-15-2022 11:38 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  CUSA will overtake the MAC again in a few years. People need to calm down and let it play out. Including leadership at WKU and MTSU.

Not sure the only G5 ahead of CUSA now is MWC. Will be hard to overtake one who you are ahead of.

Dude. CUSA is dead last right now until some of the FCS call-ups prove themselves. The remaining schools haven't been good enough to carry NMSU and all the FCS schools. You'll surpass the MAC, as I've argued, but I doubt CUSA even gets past the Sun Belt in performance or perception. Sun Belt has some dead weight like ULM, but adding Marshall and Southern Miss to the lineup is a huge boost. You'll need every CUSA school punching at or above their weight to get past the Sun Belt. There's a reason that Marshall, USM, and Old Dominion left CUSA for the Sun Belt.

And while the AAC overexpanded - Aresco is a moron for going to 14 - they still have several top tier G5 programs, plus UTSA is about to take off. If USF gets it together, they'd have 4-5 of the top 7 or 8 programs in the G5.
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