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RE: Breakdown of fans by school and by conference (post-SEC/B12 realignment).
Not sure this bodes well for the Big 12 as they negotiate a new media rights contract. It has been speculated that Ut and OU provided over half the value of the current contract and this analysis could support that.
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(06-14-2022 08:24 PM)Realigned Wrote:  Not sure this bodes well for the Big 12 as they negotiate a new media rights contract. It has been speculated that Ut and OU provided over half the value of the current contract and this analysis could support that.

It may seem that way, but UC, UCF, UH, and BYU will almost certainly generate a lot more viewership after they join the Big 12, and their fan bases could continue to expand over the next decade or two.
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RE: Breakdown of fans by school and by conference (post-SEC/B12 realignment).
Read a few interviews from Barry Alvarez on the subject and he sounded really negative about any efforts to even consider reviving the baseball program.

Maybe with Alvarez out of the way, Wisconsin's new AD might explore bringing back baseball at some point.

Let's hope so
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RE: Breakdown of fans by school and by conference (post-SEC/B12 realignment).
(06-14-2022 08:47 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Read a few interviews from Barry Alvarez on the subject and he sounded really negative about any efforts to even consider reviving the baseball program.

Maybe with Alvarez out of the way, Wisconsin's new AD might explore bringing back baseball at some point.

Let's hope so

Big Ten has baseball? <sarcasm>
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(06-14-2022 08:24 PM)Realigned Wrote:  Not sure this bodes well for the Big 12 as they negotiate a new media rights contract. It has been speculated that Ut and OU provided over half the value of the current contract and this analysis could support that.

They’ll get a decent one. All 12 will be happy, all things considered.

Then an AAC super conference with a merger with MWC and all 3 military academies being involved in football shall be in order to get the total combined fan bases (tv/internet eyeballs) up to a total level giving tv revenue better per pie slice than AAC and MW on their own.

Add an NY7 for autobid for this mega AAC and watch AAC “total” fan base - and tv eyeballs - rise to Big12 levels. Albeit, they still wouldn’t get Big12 per member tv revenue, but better than AAC and MW alone.

Mega AAC wouldn’t be part of “Autonomous 5”, as they wouldn’t get a vote in A5 proceedings, however, would be NOW considered “P6” with the autobid to their own NYD Bowl…kind of a A5-Hybrid1-G3 FBS configuration going forward.
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RE: Breakdown of fans by school and by conference (post-SEC/B12 realignment).
Not a whole lot of surprises in this, although I disagree with Miami (FL). It used to be at risk, but not any more. If anything, the Hurricanes should be well positioned for years to come!!!
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RE: Breakdown of fans by school and by conference (post-SEC/B12 realignment).
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Interestingly, Penn State has the nation's #4th largest fanbase according to this site, despite the fact that it has only been a member of a power conference since 1990.

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Of additional interest, Miami and Syracuse have two of the largest fan bases in the ACC, even though they didn't join a power conference until 1991 and have only been in the ACC since 2004 and 2013, respectively.

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To cap it off, Notre Dame (the nation's #2nd largest fan base) is still a football independent to this day.

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(06-14-2022 10:00 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

Interestingly, Penn State has the nation's #4th largest fanbase according to this site, despite the fact that it has only been a member of a power conference since 1990.

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Of additional interest, Miami and Syracuse have two of the largest fan bases in the ACC, even though they didn't join a power conference until 1991 and have only been in the ACC since 2004 and 2013, respectively.

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To cap it off, Notre Dame (the nation's #2nd largest fan base) is still a football independent to this day.

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There really weren't "power conferences" before the mid-1990s, when TV money started ramping up with conference championship games, and the BCA/BCS.
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RE: Breakdown of fans by school and by conference (post-SEC/B12 realignment).
I can't help but scratch my head at all these numbers. I also can't help but scratch my head at all of you who jump up and down excited when you see some "study" or data that supports your inherent biases or agendas. In the science world, this study is the most rediclous thing and isn't even worth toilet paper. I'll admit, it looks flashy and then this guy presents it like a well conducted study done by a big-time firm.

In the science world we look at data and have it peer reviewed. You all are not critiquing the methods. You all are taking the conclusions as absolute.......even when there are HUGE red flags that make NO sense such as the Unconn and Syracuse football numbers.

So, let's delve into the data that went into these studies. Do you all not read the fine print? It's right there in front of you.

Data is collected from fan base surveys from 2011 and 2014 along with a third party ticket vendor vivid seats sales in 2014. Then they factored in population data to adjust it according to the shift in population for the 2020 census.

I mean people......are you serious?

You are using data from MORE THAN A DECADE AGO!

Some of the data used for UCF was from when they were in the CUSA! I would bet a large part of the country didnt even know UCF existed. UCONN was in a BCS conference! Heck, the BCS was still around for these data points. And then 8 year old vivid seat sales gets put into it?........Like what the hell?

This is just a fancy slide show with a decade old data. Let's not pretend this has ANY bearing on current fan base sizes or possible media deals that come to fruition in 2025 which is almost 15 years later from the data in this so called study.
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(06-14-2022 03:08 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So Syracuse has a bunch of t-shirt fans that just don’t go to football games or watch them on tv?

Syracuse football hasn’t been good in 30 years but yes the basketball support shows that the school has a rabid fan base all of upstate New York. Shame football can’t get right
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So he's using Census population growth to estimate fan base growth. So for Syracuse, he had 2011 fan data and used New York's population growth from from 2011 to 2020 as a multiplier for the 2011 fan base data.

That's patently absurd.

So New York and most of the California cities have the population growth error.

Clearly a guy who is trying to find work for his consulting practice. I guess we should expect more "studies" like this in the alternative facts era.

I love that his twitter description is USC Frat boy, sounds professional and unbiased. According to his LinkedIn, most of the his career has been for companies that he himself is the founder of... lol. His company's website link on LinkedIn goes to an error on Wix.com. His personal website link on Twitter goes to Rebrandly site that is also not working. So he hasn't paid the bill on his company website and his own website. Hence why this document is coming from a private google drive account.

In short, its trash.
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(06-15-2022 02:53 AM)otown Wrote:  I can't help but scratch my head at all these numbers. I also can't help but scratch my head at all of you who jump up and down excited when you see some "study" or data that supports your inherent biases or agendas. In the science world, this study is the most rediclous thing and isn't even worth toilet paper. I'll admit, it looks flashy and then this guy presents it like a well conducted study done by a big-time firm.

In the science world we look at data and have it peer reviewed. You all are not critiquing the methods. You all are taking the conconlusions as absolute.......even when there are HUGE red flags that make NO sense such as the Unconn and Syracuse football numbers.

So, let's delve into the data that went into these studies. Do you all not read the fine print? It's right there in front of you.

Data is collected from fan base surveys from 2011 and 2014 along with a third party ticket vendor vivid seats sales in 2014. Then they factored in population data to adjust it according to the shift in population for the 2020 census.

I mean people......are you serious?

You are using data from MORE THAN A DECADE AGO!

Some of the data used for UCF was from when they were in the CUSA! I would bet a large part of the country didnt even know UCF existed. UCONN was in a BCS conference! Heck, the BCS was still around for these data points. And then VIVID 8 year old vivid seat sales gets put into it?........Like what the hell?

This is just a fancy slide show with a decade old data. Let's not pretend this has ANY bearing on current fan base sizes or possible media deals that come to fruition in 2025 which is almost 15 years later from the data in this so called study.

Looks like the PT Barnum effect is in full display with this study.

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(06-15-2022 02:53 AM)otown Wrote:  I can't help but scratch my head at all these numbers.

(snip good post)

Yeah, I tuned out as soon as I saw Syracuse allegedly having a larger *football* fan base than Tennessee or Auburn and that Ohio State's fan base was twice as large as Alabama's.

Twice as large?

Those things made me spill my coffee.

I mean, in 2019, both Tennessee and Auburn averaged over 85,000 fans a game attendance. Syracuse averaged 42,000 - less than UCF!
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If anything, SEC fan bases are underrated.

I mean, in 2019, LSU drew 100k fans, Georgia drew 92k fans, while Oregon drew 53k fans per game.

And yet Oregon's fan base is not just larger, but about 38% larger than both?

I mean, that just boggles my mind.
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(06-14-2022 12:48 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Plenty of obvious assertions, like 13 of the largest 16 fanbases being in the SEC/B1G, also some pretty sus ones, like Syracuse having the 14th largest fanbase.

It's an entertaining collection of infographics more than anything, but also paints a pretty concerning portrait of what the new B12's TV contract negotiators will be wrestling with.


My only beef with the data is that they re-group the teams before realignment actually happens. The conference you are actually in has to play at least some role in your numbers. I think the numbers, and rankings within conferences, will shuffle after a few years in the new conferences for everyone shuffling.
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(06-15-2022 07:07 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(06-14-2022 12:48 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Plenty of obvious assertions, like 13 of the largest 16 fanbases being in the SEC/B1G, also some pretty sus ones, like Syracuse having the 14th largest fanbase.

It's an entertaining collection of infographics more than anything, but also paints a pretty concerning portrait of what the new B12's TV contract negotiators will be wrestling with.


My only beef with the data is that they re-group the teams before realignment actually happens. The conference you are actually in has to play at least some role in your numbers. I think the numbers, and rankings within conferences, will shuffle after a few years in the new conferences for everyone shuffling.

Yes, the results should be presented based on actual, current conference affiliation. Putting TX and OU in the SEC is ridonculous, IMO. The actual fan base they have now is a fan base that is bred and grown in the Big 12 and its predecessors, not the SEC.

IMO, this analysis both overstates and understates the size of the SEC fan base.

It overstates it, because if I read the results correctly, they include the Texas and OU fan bases as part of the SEC, which IMO is wrong.

It understates it, because as I say above, some of these fan base estimates are IMO absurd, and many of them negatively impact the SEC. The idea that Oregon has a larger football fan base than Alabama and LSU and Georgia is absurd, IMO, as is the idea that Syracuse has a larger football fan base than Auburn and Tennessee.

I mean, those five SEC programs all draw 85,000 fans per game or more, a few of them draw 90,000 fans or more. Oregon and Syracuse draw about 54,000 and 44,000 fans per game respectively. There's no methodology in the world IMO that can credibly spin the latter fan bases as larger than the former.
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(06-15-2022 05:04 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  So he's using Census population growth to estimate fan base growth. So for Syracuse, he had 2011 fan data and used New York's population growth from from 2011 to 2020 as a multiplier for the 2011 fan base data.

That's patently absurd.

So New York and most of the California cities have the population growth error.

Clearly a guy who is trying to find work for his consulting practice. I guess we should expect more "studies" like this in the alternative facts era.

I love that his twitter description is USC Frat boy, sounds professional and unbiased. According to his LinkedIn, most of the his career has been for companies that he himself is the founder of... lol. His company's website link on LinkedIn goes to an error on Wix.com. His personal website link on Twitter goes to Rebrandly site that is also not working. So he hasn't paid the bill on his company website and his own website. Hence why this document is coming from a private google drive account.

In short, its trash.

Yup. Syracuse has a million more fans than Clemson? Nope. As was said in the thread I posted last week most Syracuse alums in the New York area are pro team folks and only care about them. I think he assumes they all only care about the Orange.

And the numbers are a little exaggerated. There’s 2.7 million South Carolina fans and 2.33 million Clemson fans? That basically assumes every single person in SC follows one or the other. Which isn’t the case. He also says Coastal has 100K fans. Maybe if you include every alum to the school…

Probably 85% of both SC schools fan bases are in SC itself. Charlotte and Atlanta each have a ton of both, but every Southern school has a relatively big base in those cities. There’s a lot of bankers and engineers from SEC and ACC schools.
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(06-15-2022 07:07 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(06-14-2022 12:48 PM)ColKurtz Wrote:  Plenty of obvious assertions, like 13 of the largest 16 fanbases being in the SEC/B1G, also some pretty sus ones, like Syracuse having the 14th largest fanbase.

It's an entertaining collection of infographics more than anything, but also paints a pretty concerning portrait of what the new B12's TV contract negotiators will be wrestling with.


My only beef with the data is that they re-group the teams before realignment actually happens. The conference you are actually in has to play at least some role in your numbers. I think the numbers, and rankings within conferences, will shuffle after a few years in the new conferences for everyone shuffling.

JMU is added to SBC, or at least listed. While Sam and JSU are not listed with CUSA.
Was JMU added to the SBC total without any contribution to the total fans since their fans are TBD. Red flag not much went into the research just a great power point show.
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I agree with Frank that the "Michigan is at risk" contention seems very odd.

Wahoowa84 makes some very interesting points about Georgetown hoops (and the risk it faces). As I see it, with a few more missteps and some bad luck, GU is at risk of becoming (if it hasn't already) a "rich man's DePaul." And that is not a good thing.
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(06-15-2022 08:26 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I agree with Frank that the "Michigan is at risk" contention seems very odd.

Wahoowa84 makes some very interesting points about Georgetown hoops (and the risk it faces). As I see it, with a few more missteps and some bad luck, GU is at risk of becoming (if it hasn't already) a "rich man's DePaul." And that is not a good thing.

Well, if anything, I am impressed by the *resiliency* of Georgetown's fan base and remaining national brand prominence in hoops.

Bottom line is, we have made one Final 4, IMO the benchmark for A-level hoops relevance, in the past 36 years. We haven't made Sweet 16 in 15 years. Fifteen years!

By all rights, given those results, the hoops brand that was built by John Thompson and Patrick Ewing nearly 40 years ago (40 Years !!!) should have faded to nothing by now.

But ... it hasn't.

As for Michigan's football fan base being "at risk", that's about the silliest thing I've ever heard. Michigan has a top 10, arguably top 5, football fan base and there's zero indication IMO that this will ever change.
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