(06-22-2022 12:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 11:37 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 08:21 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-20-2022 03:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-20-2022 01:28 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  Yep, it’s decided fresh each year and with the AAC & SB both going to 14 the votes likely swayed the other direction

That really hasn't been in effect for years.

NCAA used to release the CFP payouts every year, but it's no longer on their "PostSeason Bowl Administration" page. Kristi Dosh at Business of College Sports has a good collection of all the past distributions, up to 2019-20. It's at the bottom of this page: https://businessofcollegesports.com/coll...f-payouts/

You can reverse engineer the non-contract bowl conference numbers. For 2019-20, it works out to a base of $13 million each conference, performance shares of $1.5 million each (5 shares down to 1 share for overall conference average ranking in the old BCS computers), $4 million / $6 million to the conference for NY6/CFP participant, and $2 million for expenses for the participating team (included in the overall distribution).

So, yeah, dividing even the smallest amount (i.e., #5 of 5 conference overall) by 9 conference members, each school does almost as well as members of the #1 conference getting the NY6, and equal to or better than each school in the #2 conference without NY6 participant. In 2019, the 10-team Sun Belt finished just one performance share ahead of CUSA, but dividing the revenue only 10 ways each school netted about $600,000 more than the CUSA schools dividing a $1.5 million lower revenue 14 ways.

What do you mean it hasn’t been that way in years? The NCAA has nothing to do with the CFB playoff payout. The contract sets aside X amount for the 5 “G” conferences (it lists them by name of course) and let’s those conferences decide the breakdown of the money. Originally there was a base of $1M per school. Then a couple years later it was capped at 1M/school up to $10M per conference. Word is that it’s going back to $1M per with no cap. The rest is performance based as you say.

Look at the ACTUAL numbers for CFP revenue distribution.
I gave you access to six years worth, via link.

(ONLY reason NCAA was mentioned is because their "Post Season Bowl Administration" page USED TO BE the source to find that distribution info each year.)

2019-20, the "base" was $13 million per conference, even the 10-team SBC and the 12 team conferences. And it's the SAME base for all five.

Then look at five more years, and you will see that that "$1M per school" or a "cap" hasn't actually applied. Same base for all, regardless of number of conference members.

After the NY6/CFP participant money comes off the top. 75% of the remaining CFP revenue distribution is divided five ways, regardless of number of conference members. Then 25% is divided into the 15 performance (5-4-3-2-1).

I stand corrected. I don’t know about your formula but the difference between the 4 conferences not in the access bowl are incrementally the same. Some years it’s tricky if the access bowl winner doesn’t come from the top performing conference but the 4 will be on that line. So it does seem that the only difference is the performance pool and access bowl money and the base is the same.

There was one variant year in 14-15, the first year shown. The SB was the lowest paid but received exactly 1M less than they should have. So maybe there used to be other variables, maybe it was a typo.

I do know:
In 2018, Memphis was the NY6 participant, but the AAC was #2 in performance shares.
In 2016, WMU was the NY6 participant, but was #3 in performance shares.
AAC was both in 2019, 2017, and 2015.

I don't recall an issue with 2014-15...might look again. Maybe they did do closer to that $1M per APR rated team in that first year, which is why it lingers on the CFP website (and then gets repeated in stories)? Then stopped, so that, as quo vadis points out conferences wouldn't expand just for a little extra $? Or a typo.

(Digression - the CFP website, specifically addressing payouts is terrible. The URL for the payout page still is named with "2017/9/20" like all they've done is edited it every year instead of fully updating while also archiving. And every year one can find bad edits, like the year not changing in every reference, or miscounting independents, etc. The site as a whole just reads like an aggregation of press releases)

(06-22-2022 02:13 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 12:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 11:37 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 08:21 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-20-2022 03:29 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  That really hasn't been in effect for years.

NCAA used to release the CFP payouts every year, but it's no longer on their "PostSeason Bowl Administration" page. Kristi Dosh at Business of College Sports has a good collection of all the past distributions, up to 2019-20. It's at the bottom of this page: https://businessofcollegesports.com/coll...f-payouts/

You can reverse engineer the non-contract bowl conference numbers. For 2019-20, it works out to a base of $13 million each conference, performance shares of $1.5 million each (5 shares down to 1 share for overall conference average ranking in the old BCS computers), $4 million / $6 million to the conference for NY6/CFP participant, and $2 million for expenses for the participating team (included in the overall distribution).

So, yeah, dividing even the smallest amount (i.e., #5 of 5 conference overall) by 9 conference members, each school does almost as well as members of the #1 conference getting the NY6, and equal to or better than each school in the #2 conference without NY6 participant. In 2019, the 10-team Sun Belt finished just one performance share ahead of CUSA, but dividing the revenue only 10 ways each school netted about $600,000 more than the CUSA schools dividing a $1.5 million lower revenue 14 ways.

What do you mean it hasn’t been that way in years? The NCAA has nothing to do with the CFB playoff payout. The contract sets aside X amount for the 5 “G” conferences (it lists them by name of course) and let’s those conferences decide the breakdown of the money. Originally there was a base of $1M per school. Then a couple years later it was capped at 1M/school up to $10M per conference. Word is that it’s going back to $1M per with no cap. The rest is performance based as you say.

Look at the ACTUAL numbers for CFP revenue distribution.
I gave you access to six years worth, via link.

(ONLY reason NCAA was mentioned is because their "Post Season Bowl Administration" page USED TO BE the source to find that distribution info each year.)

2019-20, the "base" was $13 million per conference, even the 10-team SBC and the 12 team conferences. And it's the SAME base for all five.

Then look at five more years, and you will see that that "$1M per school" or a "cap" hasn't actually applied. Same base for all, regardless of number of conference members.

After the NY6/CFP participant money comes off the top. 75% of the remaining CFP revenue distribution is divided five ways, regardless of number of conference members. Then 25% is divided into the 15 performance (5-4-3-2-1).

I stand corrected. I don’t know about your formula but the difference between the 4 conferences not in the access bowl are incrementally the same. Some years it’s tricky if the access bowl winner doesn’t come from the top performing conference but the 4 will be on that line. So it does seem that the only difference is the performance pool and access bowl money and the base is the same.

There was one variant year in 14-15, the first year shown. The SB was the lowest paid but received exactly 1M less than they should have. So maybe there used to be other variables, maybe it was a typo.

I do know:
In 2018, Memphis was the NY6 participant, but the AAC was #2 in performance shares.
In 2016, WMU was the NY6 participant, but was #3 in performance shares.
AAC was both in 2019, 2017, and 2015.

I don't recall an issue with 2014-15...might look again. Maybe they did do closer to that $1M per APR rated team in that first year, which is why it lingers on the CFP website (and then gets repeated in stories)? Then stopped, so that, as quo vadis points out conferences wouldn't expand just for a little extra $? Or a typo.

(Digression - the CFP website, specifically addressing payouts is terrible. The URL for the payout page still is named with "2017/9/20" like all they've done is edited it every year instead of fully updating while also archiving. And every year one can find bad edits, like the year not changing in every reference, or miscounting independents, etc. The site as a whole just reads like an aggregation of press releases)

Well, it could be that early on it was $1M per school up to 12 teams then changed to 10 after 14-15 as the Sun Belt only had 11 that year. The rest had 12,13,14 so there would have to be a cap still in that year as the rest fell on that equal base line. The math would work out. But that flat $1M wouldn’t be the only base. Your 1.5M is pretty close to the performance increments recently, less in prior years and the 75/25 is reasonable as well without knowing the costs & payout for the access bowl. Who knows, the source I saw that every FBS team was receiving 1M was from JSU AD interview. At 9 CUSA would be receiving 1M/team with a 10 member cap but in total $1M less as a conference. Geuss we’ll know in 3-4 years.