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RE: G5 Media Deals & Payouts
(06-18-2022 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 06:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When comparing it is important to bifurcate the existing and new CUSAAC members. New guys are getting 1/3 to 1/2 the legacy members.

If we're comparing schools, yes. E.g., if we compare ECU's payout to App State's, then we have to be sure to use the roughly $7m media payout that ECU is getting.

But if we are comparing conferences, then the conference number is what is relevant, and that's just the gross media payout divided by the number of schools. For the AAC, that's currently at around $7m (media payout only) per year per school, but will drop to around $5.5m once the new schools join. So if for 2024 we are comparing the AAC and MAC, it would be $5.5m with whatever the MAC is getting.

While that compares conferences it doesn't really show reality. AAC oldies get 7mil still. Newbies about 1/2 that amount. In MWC its Boise gets vs what the rest wish they got. It is pretty convoluted.
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(06-20-2022 07:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 06:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When comparing it is important to bifurcate the existing and new CUSAAC members. New guys are getting 1/3 to 1/2 the legacy members.

If we're comparing schools, yes. E.g., if we compare ECU's payout to App State's, then we have to be sure to use the roughly $7m media payout that ECU is getting.

But if we are comparing conferences, then the conference number is what is relevant, and that's just the gross media payout divided by the number of schools. For the AAC, that's currently at around $7m (media payout only) per year per school, but will drop to around $5.5m once the new schools join. So if for 2024 we are comparing the AAC and MAC, it would be $5.5m with whatever the MAC is getting.

While that compares conferences it doesn't really show reality. AAC oldies get 7mil still. Newbies about 1/2 that amount. In MWC its Boise gets vs what the rest wish they got. It is pretty convoluted.

Well, IMO it shows the reality at the conference level. As long as we keep in mind whether we are comparing schools vs conferences, then to me the convolution is avoided.

It only becomes convoluted (to me at least) when we conflate the two.

IMO it also makes sense when we are talking about a conference media deal "in a vacuum". meaning we aren't comparing to another conference or school. For example, if someone asks what the per school value of the AAC media deal is, as of 2024 it is $5.5m per school, and you don't need to get in to explaining how the conference divides it up. Ditto for the MW, and its Boise situation.
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(06-20-2022 07:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 07:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 06:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When comparing it is important to bifurcate the existing and new CUSAAC members. New guys are getting 1/3 to 1/2 the legacy members.

If we're comparing schools, yes. E.g., if we compare ECU's payout to App State's, then we have to be sure to use the roughly $7m media payout that ECU is getting.

But if we are comparing conferences, then the conference number is what is relevant, and that's just the gross media payout divided by the number of schools. For the AAC, that's currently at around $7m (media payout only) per year per school, but will drop to around $5.5m once the new schools join. So if for 2024 we are comparing the AAC and MAC, it would be $5.5m with whatever the MAC is getting.

While that compares conferences it doesn't really show reality. AAC oldies get 7mil still. Newbies about 1/2 that amount. In MWC its Boise gets vs what the rest wish they got. It is pretty convoluted.

Well, IMO it shows the reality at the conference level. As long as we keep in mind whether we are comparing schools vs conferences, then to me the convolution is avoided.

It only becomes convoluted (to me at least) when we conflate the two.

IMO it also makes sense when we are talking about a conference media deal "in a vacuum". meaning we aren't comparing to another conference or school. For example, if someone asks what the per school value of the AAC media deal is, as of 2024 it is $5.5m per school, and you don't need to get in to explaining how the conference divides it up. Ditto for the MW, and its Boise situation.

The AAC primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $76.4 million - $83.3 million (UConn adjustment unknown)
The mwc primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $45 million
The Sun Belt primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $13 million (prob increasing proportionally to $18.2 million with new additions and increased inventory; unconfirmed message board reports of further future increases)
The MAC primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $8 million
The CUSA primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $6 million
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Something I have been trying to search for, but haven't found anything is how much do the G5 conferences make off of their CCGs. Wondering if in an expanded CFP, rather than hosting CCGs, the top 4 G5 conference champs, top 4 G5 teams, or top G5 3 champs + top G5 at-large compete in a 4 team championship with the winner earns an auto-bid if 5+1 or in the case of top 6, winner is for sure in with the runner-up in if ahead of a P5 champ. This would be only if the P5 conferences do a 4 team conference championship for their top 4 teams.

I'm assuming the AAC and MWC make plenty of money off of it, but if it's not much more, maybe a G5 championship could be more profitable for teams vs. CCGs if logistics can be worked out.

Alternatively if conferences still want to conduct their CCGs, CCGs could be played as a 12th game in a champions week format, then host a 4 team G5 championship with 1 of the 3 formats abobr while the P5 conduct their conference championships with the semis as their 13th game.
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(06-20-2022 08:56 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 07:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 07:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 06:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When comparing it is important to bifurcate the existing and new CUSAAC members. New guys are getting 1/3 to 1/2 the legacy members.

If we're comparing schools, yes. E.g., if we compare ECU's payout to App State's, then we have to be sure to use the roughly $7m media payout that ECU is getting.

But if we are comparing conferences, then the conference number is what is relevant, and that's just the gross media payout divided by the number of schools. For the AAC, that's currently at around $7m (media payout only) per year per school, but will drop to around $5.5m once the new schools join. So if for 2024 we are comparing the AAC and MAC, it would be $5.5m with whatever the MAC is getting.

While that compares conferences it doesn't really show reality. AAC oldies get 7mil still. Newbies about 1/2 that amount. In MWC its Boise gets vs what the rest wish they got. It is pretty convoluted.

Well, IMO it shows the reality at the conference level. As long as we keep in mind whether we are comparing schools vs conferences, then to me the convolution is avoided.

It only becomes convoluted (to me at least) when we conflate the two.

IMO it also makes sense when we are talking about a conference media deal "in a vacuum". meaning we aren't comparing to another conference or school. For example, if someone asks what the per school value of the AAC media deal is, as of 2024 it is $5.5m per school, and you don't need to get in to explaining how the conference divides it up. Ditto for the MW, and its Boise situation.

The AAC primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $83.3 million
The mwc primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $45 million
The Sun Belt primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $13 million (prob increasing proportionally to $18.2 million with new additions and increased inventory; unconfirmed message board reports of further future increases)
The MAC primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $8 million
The CUSA primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $6 million

the AAC reports are now unconfirmed as well.
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RE: G5 Media Deals & Payouts
(06-20-2022 07:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 06:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  When comparing it is important to bifurcate the existing and new CUSAAC members. New guys are getting 1/3 to 1/2 the legacy members.

If we're comparing schools, yes. E.g., if we compare ECU's payout to App State's, then we have to be sure to use the roughly $7m media payout that ECU is getting.

But if we are comparing conferences, then the conference number is what is relevant, and that's just the gross media payout divided by the number of schools. For the AAC, that's currently at around $7m (media payout only) per year per school, but will drop to around $5.5m once the new schools join. So if for 2024 we are comparing the AAC and MAC, it would be $5.5m with whatever the MAC is getting.

While that compares conferences it doesn't really show reality. AAC oldies get 7mil still. Newbies about 1/2 that amount. In MWC its Boise gets vs what the rest wish they got. It is pretty convoluted.

The half that number is wild to me. If the CUSA6 -> AAC get 3.5 mil each then that is 21 mil for the 6 new. C-USA at 14 members got 6 mil...

If the 3 members leaving for the SBC get the rumored 2 mil each, then they will get ~ the same money as 3 members as the 14 member C-USA received.

Really makes you question whoever negotiated that last C-USA deal. There is just no way the rights magically increased that much overnight. C-USA needs to do better in the next round of negotiations.
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(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html
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(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.
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(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

Specifically, it was $1.85 million in conference distributions excluding media and an additional $1.25 million in "media rights," but the latter was not necessarily conference distributions.
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(06-20-2022 10:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

Specifically, it was $1.85 million in conference distributions excluding media and an additional $1.25 million in "media rights," but the latter was not necessarily conference distributions.

and also $.8MM NCAA distributions when i can only assume are bball tourney credits.
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(06-20-2022 10:50 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

Specifically, it was $1.85 million in conference distributions excluding media and an additional $1.25 million in "media rights," but the latter was not necessarily conference distributions.

and also $.8MM NCAA distributions when i can only assume are bball tourney credits.

And to compare, Louisiana Tech had $1.2 million in conference distributions excluding media, 430k in "media rights" and $1.33 million in NCAA distributions.
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(06-20-2022 09:54 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 08:56 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 07:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 07:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(06-18-2022 07:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  If we're comparing schools, yes. E.g., if we compare ECU's payout to App State's, then we have to be sure to use the roughly $7m media payout that ECU is getting.

But if we are comparing conferences, then the conference number is what is relevant, and that's just the gross media payout divided by the number of schools. For the AAC, that's currently at around $7m (media payout only) per year per school, but will drop to around $5.5m once the new schools join. So if for 2024 we are comparing the AAC and MAC, it would be $5.5m with whatever the MAC is getting.

While that compares conferences it doesn't really show reality. AAC oldies get 7mil still. Newbies about 1/2 that amount. In MWC its Boise gets vs what the rest wish they got. It is pretty convoluted.

Well, IMO it shows the reality at the conference level. As long as we keep in mind whether we are comparing schools vs conferences, then to me the convolution is avoided.

It only becomes convoluted (to me at least) when we conflate the two.

IMO it also makes sense when we are talking about a conference media deal "in a vacuum". meaning we aren't comparing to another conference or school. For example, if someone asks what the per school value of the AAC media deal is, as of 2024 it is $5.5m per school, and you don't need to get in to explaining how the conference divides it up. Ditto for the MW, and its Boise situation.

The AAC primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $83.3 million
The mwc primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $45 million
The Sun Belt primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $13 million (prob increasing proportionally to $18.2 million with new additions and increased inventory; unconfirmed message board reports of further future increases)
The MAC primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $8 million
The CUSA primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $6 million

the AAC reports are now unconfirmed as well.

Yeah, I was thinking of that.
I changed it to "$76.4 million - $83.3 million (UConn adjustment unknown)" in my post.


Oh? You still think that the original amount didn't get carried over with losing 3 and gaining 6? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Here's a well-sourced national reporter (as opposed to a Harrisonburg guy who is an FCS reporter learnin' 'bout FBS stuff) in an interview format explaining pretty clearly.

https://sports.yahoo.com/aac-planning-ad...49933.html

Quote: And probably the most important inside baseball from this that I've gleaned from some reporting today is that the AAC television deal, which is $1-billion deal that goes through 2031-'32, is essentially supposed to stay intact. So there was a lot of skepticism around-- and some people wrote it the last 24 hours-- that there was an expectation that that deal got gutted because those three schools left.

And as it sits today, Tuesday afternoon, I've been told that the expectation is that if you are one of those eight remaining teams, you are going to stay whole or close to whole or essentially whole from the TV side of that deal. The six teams coming in are only getting a partial share. They're going to start at over $2 million, and that's going to grow on a scale.

Here's his published article, with the same essentials, start at over $2 million and grow while the remaining eight stay whole.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-the-aac...15069.html

The common sense behind that, is that with three of the top five or six teams in the conference leaving, about 40% of the viewers are lost. But 14 teams is 30% more inventory for ESPN, for those 40 linear slots, and now adding ESPN+ content for them...so it stays whole. The math is pretty easy, instead of 11 shares averaging just under $7 million over a long contract, 8 shares averaging that and 6 "half-shares" averaging half that.

Guessing at 5% escalators, 2023 will see the conference media revenue at $65 million, with legacy teams getting $5.9 million and the newbies just under $3million.
Final year should be $97 million for the conference, making a full share $8.8 million and a half-share $4.4 million.

Now look at that $97 million...divided by 14 is even payments of $6.9 million that year...so if you want equity you can freeze the legacy teams when they hit that point, and direct all the escalators to the inbounds. Legacy teams' media revenue over the entire 12 year contract would drop by....numbers really similar to the $54 million in exit fees from the three teams departing.
(New teams will have entrance fees of $2.5 million each -- paying that out of conference distributions over a couple-three years does have them starting closer to $2 million than $3 million each from the media revenues...and still ahead of Sun Belt, CUSA, MAC. And as the mwc is re-negotiating? The new teams' half-share will be equal to or greater than any mwc team not named Boise.)
Getting to even payments by the end is a little speculation on my part, and then spreadsheet work.
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(06-20-2022 11:22 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 09:54 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 08:56 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 07:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 07:10 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  While that compares conferences it doesn't really show reality. AAC oldies get 7mil still. Newbies about 1/2 that amount. In MWC its Boise gets vs what the rest wish they got. It is pretty convoluted.

Well, IMO it shows the reality at the conference level. As long as we keep in mind whether we are comparing schools vs conferences, then to me the convolution is avoided.

It only becomes convoluted (to me at least) when we conflate the two.

IMO it also makes sense when we are talking about a conference media deal "in a vacuum". meaning we aren't comparing to another conference or school. For example, if someone asks what the per school value of the AAC media deal is, as of 2024 it is $5.5m per school, and you don't need to get in to explaining how the conference divides it up. Ditto for the MW, and its Boise situation.

The AAC primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $83.3 million
The mwc primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $45 million
The Sun Belt primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $13 million (prob increasing proportionally to $18.2 million with new additions and increased inventory; unconfirmed message board reports of further future increases)
The MAC primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $8 million
The CUSA primary media rights deal has an average annual value of $6 million

the AAC reports are now unconfirmed as well.

Yeah, I was thinking of that.
I changed it to "$76.4 million - $83.3 million (UConn adjustment unknown)" in my post.


Oh? You still think that the original amount didn't get carried over with losing 3 and gaining 6? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Here's a well-sourced national reporter (as opposed to a Harrisonburg guy who is an FCS reporter learnin' 'bout FBS stuff) in an interview format explaining pretty clearly.

https://sports.yahoo.com/aac-planning-ad...49933.html

Quote: And probably the most important inside baseball from this that I've gleaned from some reporting today is that the AAC television deal, which is $1-billion deal that goes through 2031-'32, is essentially supposed to stay intact. So there was a lot of skepticism around-- and some people wrote it the last 24 hours-- that there was an expectation that that deal got gutted because those three schools left.

And as it sits today, Tuesday afternoon, I've been told that the expectation is that if you are one of those eight remaining teams, you are going to stay whole or close to whole or essentially whole from the TV side of that deal. The six teams coming in are only getting a partial share. They're going to start at over $2 million, and that's going to grow on a scale.

Here's his published article, with the same essentials, start at over $2 million and grow while the remaining eight stay whole.
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-the-aac...15069.html

The common sense behind that, is that with three of the top five or six teams in the conference leaving, about 40% of the viewers are lost. But 14 teams is 30% more inventory for ESPN, for those 40 linear slots, and now adding ESPN+ content for them...so it stays whole. The math is pretty easy, instead of 11 shares averaging just under $7 million over a long contract, 8 shares averaging that and 6 "half-shares" averaging half that.

Guessing at 5% escalators, 2023 will see the conference media revenue at $65 million, with legacy teams getting $5.9 million and the newbies just under $3million.
Final year should be $97 million for the conference, making a full share $8.8 million and a half-share $4.4 million.

Now look at that $97 million...divided by 14 is even payments of $6.9 million that year...so if you want equity you can freeze the legacy teams when they hit that point, and direct all the escalators to the inbounds. Legacy teams' media revenue over the entire 12 year contract would drop by....numbers really similar to the $54 million in exit fees from the three teams departing.
(New teams will have entrance fees of $2.5 million each -- paying that out of conference distributions over a couple-three years does have them starting closer to $2 million than $3 million each from the media revenues...and still ahead of Sun Belt, CUSA, MAC. And as the mwc is re-negotiating? The new teams' half-share will be equal to or greater than any mwc team not named Boise.)
Getting to even payments by the end is a little speculation on my part, and then spreadsheet work.

you are just as susceptible to confirmation bias as those of us from "lesser schools".

you can type till you're blue in the face but you have as much info as the sun belt on what the "new" #s will be.

I find that ESPN has even less incentive to pay the AAC, since they will be onboarding the SEC and maybe even more B1G content then originally thought.
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(06-20-2022 11:18 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:50 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

Specifically, it was $1.85 million in conference distributions excluding media and an additional $1.25 million in "media rights," but the latter was not necessarily conference distributions.

and also $.8MM NCAA distributions when i can only assume are bball tourney credits.

And to compare, Louisiana Tech had $1.2 million in conference distributions excluding media, 430k in "media rights" and $1.33 million in NCAA distributions.

CUSA has yearly conference dues of $500k
SBC has yearly conference dues of $80k
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RE: G5 Media Deals & Payouts
(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

This is great info! Thank you! Here is what I have and will update my orignial post:
Sunbelt: 1.25M
CUSA: 429K

Further Breakout below:

Sunbelt (UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT LAFAYETTE)
Media rights : 1,253,265
NCAA distributions: 877,169
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 1,560,936
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 292,518
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 3,983,888

CUSA (LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY)
Media rights : 429,962
NCAA distributions: 1,325,147
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 544,946
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 653,841
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 2,953,896

So by being in the Sunbelt, ULL gets about 1M more than LTech
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RE: G5 Media Deals & Payouts
(06-20-2022 12:19 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

This is great info! Thank you! Here is what I have and will update my orignial post:
Sunbelt: 1.25M
CUSA: 429K

Further Breakout below:

Sunbelt (UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT LAFAYETTE)
Media rights : 1,253,265
NCAA distributions: 877,169
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 1,560,936
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 292,518
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 3,983,888

CUSA (LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY)
Media rights : 429,962
NCAA distributions: 1,325,147
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 544,946
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 653,841
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 2,953,896

So by being in the Sunbelt, ULL gets about 1M more than LTech

Good stuff!
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RE: G5 Media Deals & Payouts
(06-20-2022 12:19 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  
(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

This is great info! Thank you! Here is what I have and will update my orignial post:
Sunbelt: 1.25M
CUSA: 429K

Further Breakout below:

Sunbelt (UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT LAFAYETTE)
Media rights : 1,253,265
NCAA distributions: 877,169
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 1,560,936
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 292,518
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 3,983,888

CUSA (LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY)
Media rights : 429,962
NCAA distributions: 1,325,147
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 544,946
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 653,841
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 2,953,896

So by being in the Sunbelt, ULL gets about 1M more than LTech

yes for now. 2023 FY should be interesting since the new SBC media $$ goes into effect rumored @ $1.5-$2MM, but also CUSA schools will benefit from something thats helped the SBC- CFP payouts.

Since its capped @ 10 teams, CUSA should start to get a larger conference distribution and SBC is going to have to perform better than they ahve been to stay ahead in the /team
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RE: G5 Media Deals & Payouts
(06-20-2022 01:16 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 12:19 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

This is great info! Thank you! Here is what I have and will update my orignial post:
Sunbelt: 1.25M
CUSA: 429K

Further Breakout below:

Sunbelt (UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT LAFAYETTE)
Media rights : 1,253,265
NCAA distributions: 877,169
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 1,560,936
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 292,518
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 3,983,888

CUSA (LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY)
Media rights : 429,962
NCAA distributions: 1,325,147
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 544,946
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 653,841
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 2,953,896

So by being in the Sunbelt, ULL gets about 1M more than LTech

yes for now. 2023 FY should be interesting since the new SBC media $$ goes into effect rumored @ $1.5-$2MM, but also CUSA schools will benefit from something thats helped the SBC- CFP payouts.

Since its capped @ 10 teams, CUSA should start to get a larger conference distribution and SBC is going to have to perform better than they ahve been to stay ahead in the /team

I have heard rumors that the 10 team cap is going away and that the payout will be 1 mil flat per team.
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(06-20-2022 01:24 PM)freshtop Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 01:16 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 12:19 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:32 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  
(06-20-2022 10:26 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  The only article I see that mentions just the Media payout is dated Oct 6, 2021...So it is before the new additions. It was at 500K per school and did not include the CFP monies.

link
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

I do see the SBJ article that states: "Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights. " I believe that may inlude CFP monies as the Sunbelt has a history of dispersing the CFP money evenly among its member schools. Athletics departments can use that money for anything!

link
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

https://journalnow.com/sports/college/as...c849b.html

theres a link on page 2 of this thread that has ULL state reportings for last fiscal yr as media rights @ $1.2MM and total conference payout of ~$3MM that included the CFP payout.

This is great info! Thank you! Here is what I have and will update my orignial post:
Sunbelt: 1.25M
CUSA: 429K

Further Breakout below:

Sunbelt (UNIVERSITY OF LOUISIANA AT LAFAYETTE)
Media rights : 1,253,265
NCAA distributions: 877,169
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 1,560,936
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 292,518
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 3,983,888

CUSA (LOUISIANA TECH UNIVERSITY)
Media rights : 429,962
NCAA distributions: 1,325,147
Conference distributions (non media and non football bowl): 544,946
Conference distributions of football bowl generated revenue: 653,841
Grand Total (Media, NCAA & Conference distributions): 2,953,896

So by being in the Sunbelt, ULL gets about 1M more than LTech

yes for now. 2023 FY should be interesting since the new SBC media $$ goes into effect rumored @ $1.5-$2MM, but also CUSA schools will benefit from something thats helped the SBC- CFP payouts.

Since its capped @ 10 teams, CUSA should start to get a larger conference distribution and SBC is going to have to perform better than they ahve been to stay ahead in the /team

I have heard rumors that the 10 team cap is going away and that the payout will be 1 mil flat per team.

Yep, it’s decided fresh each year and with the AAC & SB both going to 14 the votes likely swayed the other direction
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I just want to point out that in the case of ECU vs. App State, it's embarrassing to see the Pirates constantly perform so poorly compared to the Mountaineers when you consider how much more ECU is paid in the AAC ($7M) vs. App in the SBC ($1.2M).

Clearly more money doesn't always lead to a more successful team on the field.
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