(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now, and they add two schools that bring eyeballs, an FCS power, and a solid basketball school...and the additions got ESPN's blessing, then why on earth would the deal DECREASE? I'd say somewhere between $1.5-$2MM is accurate.

Didn't they add those schools in 2021, so that deal would be after the expansion? And sorry, an FCS power means reduced ratings.

(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now,

they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

(06-15-2022 07:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now,

they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now,

they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

.

Question: Weren't WKU and MTSU offered ~ $2 million per year to play in the MAC?

.

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now,

they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

Shame Mettlen sources that to Ben Moore, the 247Sports guy for Georgia STate.

Quote: Commissioner Keith Gill announced in July that this includes a bump in annual pay outs per school that will surpass the current $1.4 million per program and includes more linear programming opportunities.

https://247sports.com/college/georgia-st...173428537/

The $1.4M number is the total payout--TV contract, NCAA tournament credits, everything. The 2021 contract almost certainly includes a bump, but the pre-2021 TV contract was for about $4M per year in 2019.[/quote]

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(06-12-2022 09:51 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.


Link
https://www.on3.com/news/conference-tv-d...-football/

This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now,

they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now,

they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

Well, I'd say that the IRS Form 990 is actually more reliable than a press release--you don't go to jail for lying in a press release. But we won't have that for a year, a year and a half.

(06-15-2022 08:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

Well, I'd say that the IRS Form 990 is actually more reliable than a press release--you don't go to jail for lying in a press release. But we won't have that for a year, a year and a half.

Yep. Time will tell. Happy for Marshall if it's accurate but it doesn't affect my bank account. I'm just happy to be on ESPN channels more and ESPN+ at worst.

(06-15-2022 08:35 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

Well, I'd say that the IRS Form 990 is actually more reliable than a press release--you don't go to jail for lying in a press release. But we won't have that for a year, a year and a half.

Yep. Time will tell. Happy for Marshall if it's accurate but it doesn't affect my bank account. I'm just happy to be on ESPN channels more and ESPN+ at worst.

Oh absolutely. the TV money can't going to be any worse than it was in CUSA, and the games are much more visible.

I'm just very skeptical that ESPN bumped the Sun Belt from $4M/year in 2019 to say $21M/year (14 * $1.5M) in 2023 or so.

(06-15-2022 08:23 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  .

Question: Weren't WKU and MTSU offered ~ $2 million per year to play in the MAC?

.

10 year GOR and Big East money.

Yep... We are gonna get $2MM per team. $400K after taxes

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 05:57 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  This doesn't make much sense. If the Sun Belt is at $1MM per school now,

they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

People would believe it if it came from Brett McMurphy or SBJ. But from a beat reporter for an FCS school? Its only slightly better than coming from the Dude of West Virginia.

(06-16-2022 07:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  they're not. I linked the IRS form 990 for the Sun Belt above. as of 2019, about $400,000 per school

A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

People would believe it if it came from Brett McMurphy or SBJ. But from a beat reporter for an FCS school? Its only slightly better than coming from the Dude of West Virginia.

SBJ said 1.2M in February.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

We'll see if it goes to 1.5 to 2M after the new teams are added.

(06-15-2022 08:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:35 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

Well, I'd say that the IRS Form 990 is actually more reliable than a press release--you don't go to jail for lying in a press release. But we won't have that for a year, a year and a half.

Yep. Time will tell. Happy for Marshall if it's accurate but it doesn't affect my bank account. I'm just happy to be on ESPN channels more and ESPN+ at worst.

Oh absolutely. the TV money can't going to be any worse than it was in CUSA, and the games are much more visible.

I'm just very skeptical that ESPN bumped the Sun Belt from $4M/year in 2019 to say $21M/year (14 * $1.5M) in 2023 or so.

why? THey did the same with the AAC contract, gave them a low# and said prove it, the AAC performed and got a nice bump from ~$1.5MM to $7MM. I'd say the SBC has performed to the tune of $1.5-$2.00MM .

(06-16-2022 10:27 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:38 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:35 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

Well, I'd say that the IRS Form 990 is actually more reliable than a press release--you don't go to jail for lying in a press release. But we won't have that for a year, a year and a half.

Yep. Time will tell. Happy for Marshall if it's accurate but it doesn't affect my bank account. I'm just happy to be on ESPN channels more and ESPN+ at worst.

Oh absolutely. the TV money can't going to be any worse than it was in CUSA, and the games are much more visible.

I'm just very skeptical that ESPN bumped the Sun Belt from $4M/year in 2019 to say $21M/year (14 * $1.5M) in 2023 or so.

why? THey did the same with the AAC contract, gave them a low# and said prove it, the AAC performed and got a nice bump from ~$1.5MM to $7MM. I'd say the SBC has performed to the tune of $1.5-$2.00MM .

faur point

(06-16-2022 10:15 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 07:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:05 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  A new deal was signed in July 2021. Then reworked when the 4 additions were made.

Shane Mettlen of the Daily News-Record reported the deal is $1.5 to $2M per team.

I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

People would believe it if it came from Brett McMurphy or SBJ. But from a beat reporter for an FCS school? Its only slightly better than coming from the Dude of West Virginia.

SBJ said 1.2M in February.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

We'll see if it goes to 1.5 to 2M after the new teams are added.

Unfortunately, I don't have a subscription. What specifically do they say?

(06-16-2022 12:23 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 10:15 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 07:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:29 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:17 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  I do not have the facts to disagree but many have disputed that report saying that it included more than just media.

He repeated it this week.

https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...af3a4.html

I figure the people he talks to would know.

Nothing but an ESPN press release with the financials will satisfy the folks who don't want it to be true. And we all know that press release isn't coming.

People would believe it if it came from Brett McMurphy or SBJ. But from a beat reporter for an FCS school? Its only slightly better than coming from the Dude of West Virginia.

SBJ said 1.2M in February.

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/SB...02/15.aspx

We'll see if it goes to 1.5 to 2M after the new teams are added.

Unfortunately, I don't have a subscription. What specifically do they say?

JMU is leaving the CAA, which has its games on FloSports. The football and basketball games that were available via streaming only were taken to NBC Sports Washington or other RSNs. Starting July 1, all of JMU’s games will be on one place -- ESPN+ -- and Bourne said the Dukes are prepared to maximize their exposure there.

Sun Belt schools receive a disbursement of about $1.2 million each from the conference’s media rights.

ESPN seems to have settled on a number above $1m per school for any G5 conference they contract. This is still cheap for ESPN yet enough to ward off competition and keep the conference happy as a partner. It's good business. The SBC is part of that. So the estimates of $1.2m as a low seems very reasonable, and a high of $2m with the planned expansion in the 2024-31 extension is also well within that bound.

These are rounding error differences to Disney. Their strategy seems to be to lock up the South (SEC, ACC, AAC, SBC), plus get premium northern games of the B1G and Pac-12 for a national reach, as well as plug weeknight slots in November (MAC). I am pretty sure a MAC extension will be similar to the SBC running as high as $2m per school.

The MWC is running about $4m per school with it's deals, Boise State $5.7m. The AAC is now bifurcated, with the remaining 8 set to draw $7m per school (plus an extra $900K for four years from exiting schools, going down to $250k for 12 years after), while the incoming schools will get $3.5m per school (they also gave up $2.5-3m in C-USA distributions ... still they are made whole and then sum by 2025). I imagine the MWC will get a bump in 2025 with their next contract, which due to inflation will probably be 30-35% rather than the usual 20%, which will put them around $5.5m and Boise State around $7.2 (AAC remaining 8 will be about $7.4m by that time).

C-USA looks to be in trouble from a media standpoint. Football drives the boat, and they are decidedly the bottom G5 conference. The remaining 5 should be financially competitive for 5 years with the MAC and SBC since they will get an injection of about $1m per year from exit fee distributions. But the incoming four don't get that. Also this was the 5th place G5, thus got the lowest share of CFP. That is likely to be the case going forward more years than not. They really need media money, and importantly exposure to not fall completely in recruiting. But it's hard to see who would want them. Beyond the local value of the WKU-Middle Tennessee and UTEP-NMSU games there are no rivalry values. This has an FBS version of the Great West feel to this conference going forward. More a collection of schools held together only to get NCAA distributions and and some CFP payouts. The games are effectively random, like September G5 OOC games. Sam Houston vs FIU, WKU vs New Mexico State, Jax State vs UTEP, Liberty vs La Tech. Those are ESPN+ match ups, where the schools do their own production and sell their own commercials. The value looks like maybe double that of an FCS conference.

The current leadership has been unsuccessful in getting good media contracts. And that was with the lineup that included 9 schools who had enough value to be taken by other conferences. They have only 9 months to get something done. But what are they selling and to whom?

Louisiana reported just over 1.2M in media rights last year compared to just under $500k for LT. The number for LT jives with what ODU showed in CUSA.


https://app.lla.state.la.us/PublicReport...25A3CA.pdf

https://app.lla.state.la.us/publicreport...t&.7773098


Edit:

And this is for year ending 6/30/21, before the announcement of a renewed deal in July 2021.