(06-15-2022 10:12 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:34 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 09:56 PM)danny1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 04:44 PM)3601 Wrote:  Nobody cares that the stadium is aluminum and not concrete. You sound like the insane Tiger Guard guy.

Do you know anything about the UCF stadium? It is basically built like an old high school stadium and the fact that it is aluminum, steel or whatever is causing a bunch of problems now. It is rusting out in so many places that it is going to be a nightmare to maintain.

The UCF stadium got them out of an off-campus municipal stadium into the B12. They are likely to have plenty of money to repair/rebuild. Have you seen their long term plans?

A damn stadium did not get them into the B12. Their fan support, record, potential growth and market got them into the B12. Southern Miss has an OCS, where did that stadium get them?

He didn’t say the stadium alone. Jeezus. With all you mentioned, if they hadn’t demonstrated the willingness (and ability) to invest in their football program do you think they still get in? Do you think fan support would be the same playing in the Wally World Citrus Bowl? The stadium helped prove they were ready to go big time. It’s not why they got in but that box needed to be checked.

Their willingness to invest and market, etc got them to where they are today. He said, 'he UCF stadium got them out of an off-campus municipal stadium into the B12.'

(06-10-2022 10:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 09:19 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 08:41 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 05:43 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  Wow, they are going to stretch out the payments for leaving to the point where they are almost meaningless by the time the conf gets the money.

Aresco just got bent over and the left behinds won't get much of a meaningful windfall.

Memphis really needs to figure a way out of the AAC because beginning in 2023 it is simply CUSA 4.0.

CUSA 4.0! I am truly weary of Tiger fans constantly denigrating the Tigers Conference. The winner of this conference title will always be a very competitive and worthy champion. I am looking forward to the Tigers winning another title soon. The fact that the Tigers won one title and shared one title over the last 10 years has always put the lie to the claim that our conferences haven't been worthy. I like sport, I am a Tiger fan, I can't wait for the next season to begin, and for the next championship to come.

I have to disagree ----if this conference was/is a quality conference ---then why have we been trying to get out... being champ of conference USA 2.0 --would be like a boxing champion never fighting the actual contenders ---just fighting those washed up with glass jaws and bleeders

If/when the next shakeup comes we better hope we get in the club----because if we are not #2 on everybodys list again --and we are left out again--then we will be akin to division 2--we are in trouble -its over as we know it. If we get left out again --then those pinning over a tiny mickey mouse stadium might get their wish when they tarp over 1/2 the seats in MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM for the 10K that will be attending

Quote:being champ of conference USA 2.0 --would be like a boxing champion never fighting the actual contenders ---just fighting those washed up with glass jaws and bleeders

And yet you think those in lesser conferences belong in the playoff. Hilarious.

100% I do

- A system totally NOT merit based (your words)
- Allowing those not making any kind of a meaningful contribution to revenue and profits a disproportionate participation level
- Everyone gets a trophy mentality

Glad that you are finally admitting that you are a communist. Good job.

(06-15-2022 11:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 09:19 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 08:41 PM)Keeper Wrote:  CUSA 4.0! I am truly weary of Tiger fans constantly denigrating the Tigers Conference. The winner of this conference title will always be a very competitive and worthy champion. I am looking forward to the Tigers winning another title soon. The fact that the Tigers won one title and shared one title over the last 10 years has always put the lie to the claim that our conferences haven't been worthy. I like sport, I am a Tiger fan, I can't wait for the next season to begin, and for the next championship to come.

I have to disagree ----if this conference was/is a quality conference ---then why have we been trying to get out... being champ of conference USA 2.0 --would be like a boxing champion never fighting the actual contenders ---just fighting those washed up with glass jaws and bleeders

If/when the next shakeup comes we better hope we get in the club----because if we are not #2 on everybodys list again --and we are left out again--then we will be akin to division 2--we are in trouble -its over as we know it. If we get left out again --then those pinning over a tiny mickey mouse stadium might get their wish when they tarp over 1/2 the seats in MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM for the 10K that will be attending

Quote:being champ of conference USA 2.0 --would be like a boxing champion never fighting the actual contenders ---just fighting those washed up with glass jaws and bleeders

And yet you think those in lesser conferences belong in the playoff. Hilarious.

100% I do

- A system totally NOT merit based (your words)
- Allowing those not making any kind of a meaningful contribution to revenue and profits a disproportionate participation level
- Everyone gets a trophy mentality

Glad that you are finally admitting that you are a communist. Good job.

only elitist fascists are against tournaments.

(06-16-2022 02:36 AM)Keeper Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 11:43 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:42 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 10:23 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 09:19 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  I have to disagree ----if this conference was/is a quality conference ---then why have we been trying to get out... being champ of conference USA 2.0 --would be like a boxing champion never fighting the actual contenders ---just fighting those washed up with glass jaws and bleeders

If/when the next shakeup comes we better hope we get in the club----because if we are not #2 on everybodys list again --and we are left out again--then we will be akin to division 2--we are in trouble -its over as we know it. If we get left out again --then those pinning over a tiny mickey mouse stadium might get their wish when they tarp over 1/2 the seats in MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM for the 10K that will be attending

Quote:being champ of conference USA 2.0 --would be like a boxing champion never fighting the actual contenders ---just fighting those washed up with glass jaws and bleeders

And yet you think those in lesser conferences belong in the playoff. Hilarious.

100% I do

- A system totally NOT merit based (your words)
- Allowing those not making any kind of a meaningful contribution to revenue and profits a disproportionate participation level
- Everyone gets a trophy mentality

Glad that you are finally admitting that you are a communist. Good job.

only elitist fascists are against tournaments.

Ponytail. Enough said...

(06-15-2022 09:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:09 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 04:44 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 11:31 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 11:04 AM)Claw Wrote:  That might be true. A Lexus is nicer than a Jeep too. But if you need to go four wheeling, the Jeep might be better.

A smaller, packed on-campus stadium might be the Jeep to our 75% full Lexus Liberty Bowl.

I think you are factually correct. I think the Liberty Bowl will be nicer than those other stadiums.

Only time will tell whether it will be a better college football venue.

the only thing that makes the central florida stadium a better experience than the LBS is the 10k students jumping up and down and going crazy. that's it. our concrete is better than their aluminum and our concrete walls are much better than their chain link fence. we need to solve why students don't attend the games and we will be fine.

They come for homecoming, so they can show up for the other games too. OCS has little impact on student attendance.

Nobody cares that the stadium is aluminum and not concrete. You sound like the insane Tiger Guard guy.

I have lived in Fort Myers, FL since 2015, and haven't missed a game at UCF/USF since we moved. The gameday experience at UCF is amazing compared to any other venue I have ever been to. The way they incorporate the campus into the gameday experience is great. The Greek life has a HUGE part in their gameday experience. I am not saying the Liberty Bowl won't be far superior, but I guarantee the actual EXPERIENCE will not be anywhere close to comparable. USF has a similar situation in Tampa using the 'Bucs field, but like Memphis, it truly lacks from the experience standpoint. I will definitely miss the regularly scheduled games at UCF, both football and basketball, even if their fans compare in trashiness to those at UTrash.

I believe some Tigers fans are extremely envious of UCF's stadium and deride it simply because of petty jealousy.

The stadium itself is lackluster, but anyone that goes to a game their walks away impressed solely by the atmosphere. The student participation is a huge part of that. They fill up well over 1/4 of the whole stadium, and I truly believe that they get those numbers due to the fact that many of them can walk out of there dorm, walk a 1/4 of a mile, cooler in tow, drinking a bud light, to hang out for hours before game time. they never have to drive, park, etc. The Liberty Bowl will be far superior, but I don't see football ever filling the student section for any conference game outside of a championship. We have had some promising years in basketball, but I don't think the SS at the Forum is filled very often no matter who the opponent is. Not many kids want/cant pay to drive across town, pay to park, then spend 10$ on a coke or $15 on a beer. Memphis has priced it's 2 main athletic programs out of reach from a normal student.

(06-16-2022 07:51 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:09 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 04:44 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 11:31 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  the only thing that makes the central florida stadium a better experience than the LBS is the 10k students jumping up and down and going crazy. that's it. our concrete is better than their aluminum and our concrete walls are much better than their chain link fence. we need to solve why students don't attend the games and we will be fine.

They come for homecoming, so they can show up for the other games too. OCS has little impact on student attendance.

Nobody cares that the stadium is aluminum and not concrete. You sound like the insane Tiger Guard guy.

I have lived in Fort Myers, FL since 2015, and haven't missed a game at UCF/USF since we moved. The gameday experience at UCF is amazing compared to any other venue I have ever been to. The way they incorporate the campus into the gameday experience is great. The Greek life has a HUGE part in their gameday experience. I am not saying the Liberty Bowl won't be far superior, but I guarantee the actual EXPERIENCE will not be anywhere close to comparable. USF has a similar situation in Tampa using the 'Bucs field, but like Memphis, it truly lacks from the experience standpoint. I will definitely miss the regularly scheduled games at UCF, both football and basketball, even if their fans compare in trashiness to those at UTrash.

I believe some Tigers fans are extremely envious of UCF's stadium and deride it simply because of petty jealousy.

The stadium itself is lackluster, but anyone that goes to a game their walks away impressed solely by the atmosphere. The student participation is a huge part of that. They fill up well over 1/4 of the whole stadium, and I truly believe that they get those numbers due to the fact that many of them can walk out of there dorm, walk a 1/4 of a mile, cooler in tow, drinking a bud light, to hang out for hours before game time. they never have to drive, park, etc. The Liberty Bowl will be far superior, but I don't see football ever filling the student section for any conference game outside of a championship. We have had some promising years in basketball, but I don't think the SS at the Forum is filled very often no matter who the opponent is. Not many kids want/cant pay to drive across town, pay to park, then spend 10$ on a coke or $15 on a beer. Memphis has priced it's 2 main athletic programs out of reach from a normal student.

Interesting point. Perhaps a student ID in the student section of the renovated stadium should get you discount cokes and corn dogs. It is something to consider.

(06-16-2022 08:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 07:51 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:09 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 04:44 PM)3601 Wrote:  Nobody cares that the stadium is aluminum and not concrete. You sound like the insane Tiger Guard guy.

I have lived in Fort Myers, FL since 2015, and haven't missed a game at UCF/USF since we moved. The gameday experience at UCF is amazing compared to any other venue I have ever been to. The way they incorporate the campus into the gameday experience is great. The Greek life has a HUGE part in their gameday experience. I am not saying the Liberty Bowl won't be far superior, but I guarantee the actual EXPERIENCE will not be anywhere close to comparable. USF has a similar situation in Tampa using the 'Bucs field, but like Memphis, it truly lacks from the experience standpoint. I will definitely miss the regularly scheduled games at UCF, both football and basketball, even if their fans compare in trashiness to those at UTrash.

I believe some Tigers fans are extremely envious of UCF's stadium and deride it simply because of petty jealousy.

The stadium itself is lackluster, but anyone that goes to a game their walks away impressed solely by the atmosphere. The student participation is a huge part of that. They fill up well over 1/4 of the whole stadium, and I truly believe that they get those numbers due to the fact that many of them can walk out of there dorm, walk a 1/4 of a mile, cooler in tow, drinking a bud light, to hang out for hours before game time. they never have to drive, park, etc. The Liberty Bowl will be far superior, but I don't see football ever filling the student section for any conference game outside of a championship. We have had some promising years in basketball, but I don't think the SS at the Forum is filled very often no matter who the opponent is. Not many kids want/cant pay to drive across town, pay to park, then spend 10$ on a coke or $15 on a beer. Memphis has priced it's 2 main athletic programs out of reach from a normal student.

Interesting point. Perhaps a student ID in the student section of the renovated stadium should get you discount cokes and corn dogs. It is something to consider.

Absolutely. Non revenue generating sports offer free coke and pizza to get students in the building. Plenty of times I've walked to Elma Roane Fieldhouse from Robinson Hall (70 yards) to get free pizza and coke for girls bball and volleyball. Engaging students is important for both game experience and alumni buy-in later. Giving food and drink to students (as well as a cheering item) would pay for itself in the long run.

Shuttle students, and not just at before game. Have buses continually run between campus and game site on game days.

Get the students involved! Cal understood this, hence the Blue Crew. These are cheap, easy interventions. They can be managed by a low level employee and scholarship students earning scholly hours.

(06-16-2022 08:47 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 07:51 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:09 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  I have lived in Fort Myers, FL since 2015, and haven't missed a game at UCF/USF since we moved. The gameday experience at UCF is amazing compared to any other venue I have ever been to. The way they incorporate the campus into the gameday experience is great. The Greek life has a HUGE part in their gameday experience. I am not saying the Liberty Bowl won't be far superior, but I guarantee the actual EXPERIENCE will not be anywhere close to comparable. USF has a similar situation in Tampa using the 'Bucs field, but like Memphis, it truly lacks from the experience standpoint. I will definitely miss the regularly scheduled games at UCF, both football and basketball, even if their fans compare in trashiness to those at UTrash.

I believe some Tigers fans are extremely envious of UCF's stadium and deride it simply because of petty jealousy.

The stadium itself is lackluster, but anyone that goes to a game their walks away impressed solely by the atmosphere. The student participation is a huge part of that. They fill up well over 1/4 of the whole stadium, and I truly believe that they get those numbers due to the fact that many of them can walk out of there dorm, walk a 1/4 of a mile, cooler in tow, drinking a bud light, to hang out for hours before game time. they never have to drive, park, etc. The Liberty Bowl will be far superior, but I don't see football ever filling the student section for any conference game outside of a championship. We have had some promising years in basketball, but I don't think the SS at the Forum is filled very often no matter who the opponent is. Not many kids want/cant pay to drive across town, pay to park, then spend 10$ on a coke or $15 on a beer. Memphis has priced it's 2 main athletic programs out of reach from a normal student.

Interesting point. Perhaps a student ID in the student section of the renovated stadium should get you discount cokes and corn dogs. It is something to consider.

Absolutely. Non revenue generating sports offer free coke and pizza to get students in the building. Plenty of times I've walked to Elma Roane Fieldhouse from Robinson Hall (70 yards) to get free pizza and coke for girls bball and volleyball. Engaging students is important for both game experience and alumni buy-in later. Giving food and drink to students (as well as a cheering item) would pay for itself in the long run.

Shuttle students, and not just at before game. Have buses continually run between campus and game site on game days.

Get the students involved! Cal understood this, hence the Blue Crew. These are cheap, easy interventions. They can be managed by a low level employee and scholarship students earning scholly hours.

I'm not sure if snacks and trinkets are enough to get them there. Cal DID do a good job with the Blue Crew, but that has fallen off significantly since his departure. I think the overall separation of facilities is the biggest hurdle. It's far more difficult to get a non-sports student to a game when travel becomes involved. Like I said before, the Liberty Bowl will be a much better venue than many others in the AAC, but the fact it's disconnected from campus will always hurt attendance, especially when it comes to student participation. I don't think there are enough giveaways to offset the inconvenience of having off-site facilities.

It's difficult as a fan to see how disconnected our 2 main sports are from the actual college experience. I would be curious to know the percentage of student allotment seats are used for on campus sports compared to off campus sports. I know I would definitely be more inclined to go watch the women's team play basketball if I lived on campus as opposed to having to drive there, so I wonder if those on campus feel the same when it comes to living on campus and going off campus. And to be honest, who would rather deal with the headache of riding a shuttle across town to a game at LBMS than to walk across campus to a venue similar to UCF's?

(06-16-2022 09:29 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:47 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 07:51 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  I believe some Tigers fans are extremely envious of UCF's stadium and deride it simply because of petty jealousy.

The stadium itself is lackluster, but anyone that goes to a game their walks away impressed solely by the atmosphere. The student participation is a huge part of that. They fill up well over 1/4 of the whole stadium, and I truly believe that they get those numbers due to the fact that many of them can walk out of there dorm, walk a 1/4 of a mile, cooler in tow, drinking a bud light, to hang out for hours before game time. they never have to drive, park, etc. The Liberty Bowl will be far superior, but I don't see football ever filling the student section for any conference game outside of a championship. We have had some promising years in basketball, but I don't think the SS at the Forum is filled very often no matter who the opponent is. Not many kids want/cant pay to drive across town, pay to park, then spend 10$ on a coke or $15 on a beer. Memphis has priced it's 2 main athletic programs out of reach from a normal student.

Interesting point. Perhaps a student ID in the student section of the renovated stadium should get you discount cokes and corn dogs. It is something to consider.

Absolutely. Non revenue generating sports offer free coke and pizza to get students in the building. Plenty of times I've walked to Elma Roane Fieldhouse from Robinson Hall (70 yards) to get free pizza and coke for girls bball and volleyball. Engaging students is important for both game experience and alumni buy-in later. Giving food and drink to students (as well as a cheering item) would pay for itself in the long run.

Shuttle students, and not just at before game. Have buses continually run between campus and game site on game days.

Get the students involved! Cal understood this, hence the Blue Crew. These are cheap, easy interventions. They can be managed by a low level employee and scholarship students earning scholly hours.

I'm not sure if snacks and trinkets are enough to get them there. Cal DID do a good job with the Blue Crew, but that has fallen off significantly since his departure. I think the overall separation of facilities is the biggest hurdle. It's far more difficult to get a non-sports student to a game when travel becomes involved. Like I said before, the Liberty Bowl will be a much better venue than many others in the AAC, but the fact it's disconnected from campus will always hurt attendance, especially when it comes to student participation. I don't think there are enough giveaways to offset the inconvenience of having off-site facilities.

It's difficult as a fan to see how disconnected our 2 main sports are from the actual college experience. I would be curious to know the percentage of student allotment seats are used for on campus sports compared to off campus sports. I know I would definitely be more inclined to go watch the women's team play basketball if I lived on campus as opposed to having to drive there, so I wonder if those on campus feel the same when it comes to living on campus and going off campus. And to be honest, who would rather deal with the headache of riding a shuttle across town to a game at LBMS than to walk across campus to a venue similar to UCF's?

You're spot on. So what should we do?

(06-15-2022 08:25 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 08:14 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 09:50 PM)TGTiger Wrote:  Also met the project manager for astroturf doing the liberty bowl last week.

We had a long talk about turf - last time we redid the LB turf was about 10 years ago.

But hey at least we are doing things now to the LB and not 5+ years ago.

The type of AstroTurf that is being installed now does not have the splash of pellets that we have all seen. I didn't realize our turf was 10 years old.

Wow. It can't be 10 years old. I didn't know we were getting new turf. Thanks for the update.

What's the life expectancy? 10 years doesn't sound crazy to me.

I know they have replenished the "pellets" from time to time. I believe the design was that those would help reduce the "stickage factor" from first gen turfs that led to a lot of hyperextension injuries. But of course, we've seen our share of injuries. Wonder how the new pellet-less design accounts for this?

(06-16-2022 09:34 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:29 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:47 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 07:51 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  The stadium itself is lackluster, but anyone that goes to a game their walks away impressed solely by the atmosphere. The student participation is a huge part of that. They fill up well over 1/4 of the whole stadium, and I truly believe that they get those numbers due to the fact that many of them can walk out of there dorm, walk a 1/4 of a mile, cooler in tow, drinking a bud light, to hang out for hours before game time. they never have to drive, park, etc. The Liberty Bowl will be far superior, but I don't see football ever filling the student section for any conference game outside of a championship. We have had some promising years in basketball, but I don't think the SS at the Forum is filled very often no matter who the opponent is. Not many kids want/cant pay to drive across town, pay to park, then spend 10$ on a coke or $15 on a beer. Memphis has priced it's 2 main athletic programs out of reach from a normal student.

Interesting point. Perhaps a student ID in the student section of the renovated stadium should get you discount cokes and corn dogs. It is something to consider.

Absolutely. Non revenue generating sports offer free coke and pizza to get students in the building. Plenty of times I've walked to Elma Roane Fieldhouse from Robinson Hall (70 yards) to get free pizza and coke for girls bball and volleyball. Engaging students is important for both game experience and alumni buy-in later. Giving food and drink to students (as well as a cheering item) would pay for itself in the long run.

Shuttle students, and not just at before game. Have buses continually run between campus and game site on game days.

Get the students involved! Cal understood this, hence the Blue Crew. These are cheap, easy interventions. They can be managed by a low level employee and scholarship students earning scholly hours.

I'm not sure if snacks and trinkets are enough to get them there. Cal DID do a good job with the Blue Crew, but that has fallen off significantly since his departure. I think the overall separation of facilities is the biggest hurdle. It's far more difficult to get a non-sports student to a game when travel becomes involved. Like I said before, the Liberty Bowl will be a much better venue than many others in the AAC, but the fact it's disconnected from campus will always hurt attendance, especially when it comes to student participation. I don't think there are enough giveaways to offset the inconvenience of having off-site facilities.

It's difficult as a fan to see how disconnected our 2 main sports are from the actual college experience. I would be curious to know the percentage of student allotment seats are used for on campus sports compared to off campus sports. I know I would definitely be more inclined to go watch the women's team play basketball if I lived on campus as opposed to having to drive there, so I wonder if those on campus feel the same when it comes to living on campus and going off campus. And to be honest, who would rather deal with the headache of riding a shuttle across town to a game at LBMS than to walk across campus to a venue similar to UCF's?

You're spot on. So what should we do?

How can not having an OCS hurt attendance, if we're really a commuter school?
The university offers free shuttles to and from the LB for students.

Students can sure get to the LB for homecoming to get their little trophy and cheer for their Sorority/Fraternity. The lack of interest is way more than we don't have an OCS so they walk to a game. I emailed Tammy Hedges and she advised that they are doing a study to see how to improve the student experience.

(06-16-2022 02:33 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:34 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:29 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:47 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:17 AM)Claw Wrote:  Interesting point. Perhaps a student ID in the student section of the renovated stadium should get you discount cokes and corn dogs. It is something to consider.

Absolutely. Non revenue generating sports offer free coke and pizza to get students in the building. Plenty of times I've walked to Elma Roane Fieldhouse from Robinson Hall (70 yards) to get free pizza and coke for girls bball and volleyball. Engaging students is important for both game experience and alumni buy-in later. Giving food and drink to students (as well as a cheering item) would pay for itself in the long run.

Shuttle students, and not just at before game. Have buses continually run between campus and game site on game days.

Get the students involved! Cal understood this, hence the Blue Crew. These are cheap, easy interventions. They can be managed by a low level employee and scholarship students earning scholly hours.

I'm not sure if snacks and trinkets are enough to get them there. Cal DID do a good job with the Blue Crew, but that has fallen off significantly since his departure. I think the overall separation of facilities is the biggest hurdle. It's far more difficult to get a non-sports student to a game when travel becomes involved. Like I said before, the Liberty Bowl will be a much better venue than many others in the AAC, but the fact it's disconnected from campus will always hurt attendance, especially when it comes to student participation. I don't think there are enough giveaways to offset the inconvenience of having off-site facilities.

It's difficult as a fan to see how disconnected our 2 main sports are from the actual college experience. I would be curious to know the percentage of student allotment seats are used for on campus sports compared to off campus sports. I know I would definitely be more inclined to go watch the women's team play basketball if I lived on campus as opposed to having to drive there, so I wonder if those on campus feel the same when it comes to living on campus and going off campus. And to be honest, who would rather deal with the headache of riding a shuttle across town to a game at LBMS than to walk across campus to a venue similar to UCF's?

You're spot on. So what should we do?

How can not having an OCS hurt attendance, if we're really a commuter school?
The university offers free shuttles to and from the LB for students.

Students can sure get to the LB for homecoming to get their little trophy and cheer for their Sorority/Fraternity. The lack of interest is way more than we don't have an OCS so they walk to a game. I emailed Tammy Hedges and she advised that they are doing a study to see how to improve the student experience.

I remember guys living on campus without cars. They'd bum rides to games if they could, but they were stuck on campus. Lots of times out-of-state guys that only went home on the holidays. All those guys are at a football game.

I remember driving home for weekends to get out of the dorm. The football games weren't normally a reason not to go home. Homecoming you stayed if you had a date. For those of us living on campus, we heard a lot more Big Jack on the radio than we saw football or basketball in person.

(06-16-2022 03:07 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 02:33 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:34 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:29 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:47 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Absolutely. Non revenue generating sports offer free coke and pizza to get students in the building. Plenty of times I've walked to Elma Roane Fieldhouse from Robinson Hall (70 yards) to get free pizza and coke for girls bball and volleyball. Engaging students is important for both game experience and alumni buy-in later. Giving food and drink to students (as well as a cheering item) would pay for itself in the long run.

Shuttle students, and not just at before game. Have buses continually run between campus and game site on game days.

Get the students involved! Cal understood this, hence the Blue Crew. These are cheap, easy interventions. They can be managed by a low level employee and scholarship students earning scholly hours.

I'm not sure if snacks and trinkets are enough to get them there. Cal DID do a good job with the Blue Crew, but that has fallen off significantly since his departure. I think the overall separation of facilities is the biggest hurdle. It's far more difficult to get a non-sports student to a game when travel becomes involved. Like I said before, the Liberty Bowl will be a much better venue than many others in the AAC, but the fact it's disconnected from campus will always hurt attendance, especially when it comes to student participation. I don't think there are enough giveaways to offset the inconvenience of having off-site facilities.

It's difficult as a fan to see how disconnected our 2 main sports are from the actual college experience. I would be curious to know the percentage of student allotment seats are used for on campus sports compared to off campus sports. I know I would definitely be more inclined to go watch the women's team play basketball if I lived on campus as opposed to having to drive there, so I wonder if those on campus feel the same when it comes to living on campus and going off campus. And to be honest, who would rather deal with the headache of riding a shuttle across town to a game at LBMS than to walk across campus to a venue similar to UCF's?

You're spot on. So what should we do?

How can not having an OCS hurt attendance, if we're really a commuter school?
The university offers free shuttles to and from the LB for students.

Students can sure get to the LB for homecoming to get their little trophy and cheer for their Sorority/Fraternity. The lack of interest is way more than we don't have an OCS so they walk to a game. I emailed Tammy Hedges and she advised that they are doing a study to see how to improve the student experience.

I remember guys living on campus without cars. They'd bum rides to games if they could, but they were stuck on campus. Lots of times out-of-state guys that only went home on the holidays. All those guys are at a football game.

I remember driving home for weekends to get out of the dorm. The football games weren't normally a reason not to go home. Homecoming you stayed if you had a date. For those of us living on campus, we heard a lot more Big Jack on the radio than we saw football or basketball in person.

Chiming in from the other side of the fence, I was a live-at-home commuter student in the 74-79 period and also worked 30+ hours a week while attending classes. I remember driving to the LB for a lot of football games and the MSC for the basketball games, but never really went to any on-campus events. I didn't think anything about it and to me, it was a normal part of the college life. I think it boils down to individual "priorities" in how people want to experience college - and with the abundant options for entertainment for today's students, a live sporting event isn't as interesting as other avenues at their disposal. It may take a lot more than it previously did to get student involvement/attendance at games. JMHO

(06-16-2022 03:34 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 03:07 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 02:33 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:34 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:29 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  I'm not sure if snacks and trinkets are enough to get them there. Cal DID do a good job with the Blue Crew, but that has fallen off significantly since his departure. I think the overall separation of facilities is the biggest hurdle. It's far more difficult to get a non-sports student to a game when travel becomes involved. Like I said before, the Liberty Bowl will be a much better venue than many others in the AAC, but the fact it's disconnected from campus will always hurt attendance, especially when it comes to student participation. I don't think there are enough giveaways to offset the inconvenience of having off-site facilities.

It's difficult as a fan to see how disconnected our 2 main sports are from the actual college experience. I would be curious to know the percentage of student allotment seats are used for on campus sports compared to off campus sports. I know I would definitely be more inclined to go watch the women's team play basketball if I lived on campus as opposed to having to drive there, so I wonder if those on campus feel the same when it comes to living on campus and going off campus. And to be honest, who would rather deal with the headache of riding a shuttle across town to a game at LBMS than to walk across campus to a venue similar to UCF's?

You're spot on. So what should we do?

How can not having an OCS hurt attendance, if we're really a commuter school?
The university offers free shuttles to and from the LB for students.

Students can sure get to the LB for homecoming to get their little trophy and cheer for their Sorority/Fraternity. The lack of interest is way more than we don't have an OCS so they walk to a game. I emailed Tammy Hedges and she advised that they are doing a study to see how to improve the student experience.

I remember guys living on campus without cars. They'd bum rides to games if they could, but they were stuck on campus. Lots of times out-of-state guys that only went home on the holidays. All those guys are at a football game.

I remember driving home for weekends to get out of the dorm. The football games weren't normally a reason not to go home. Homecoming you stayed if you had a date. For those of us living on campus, we heard a lot more Big Jack on the radio than we saw football or basketball in person.

Chiming in from the other side of the fence, I was a live-at-home commuter student in the 74-79 period and also worked 30+ hours a week while attending classes. I remember driving to the LB for a lot of football games and the MSC for the basketball games, but never really went to any on-campus events. I didn't think anything about it and to me, it was a normal part of the college life. I think it boils down to individual "priorities" in how people want to experience college - and with the abundant options for entertainment for today's students, a live sporting event isn't as interesting as other avenues at their disposal. It may take a lot more than it previously did to get student involvement/attendance at games. JMHO

That's true. Another factor in those years we could drink at 18, but there was no beer at the football games. Sometimes the bar was more attractive than the game.

(06-15-2022 09:34 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 09:56 PM)danny1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 04:44 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 11:31 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  the only thing that makes the central florida stadium a better experience than the LBS is the 10k students jumping up and down and going crazy. that's it. our concrete is better than their aluminum and our concrete walls are much better than their chain link fence. we need to solve why students don't attend the games and we will be fine.

They come for homecoming, so they can show up for the other games too. OCS has little impact on student attendance.

Nobody cares that the stadium is aluminum and not concrete. You sound like the insane Tiger Guard guy.

Do you know anything about the UCF stadium? It is basically built like an old high school stadium and the fact that it is aluminum, steel or whatever is causing a bunch of problems now. It is rusting out in so many places that it is going to be a nightmare to maintain.

The UCF stadium got them out of an off-campus municipal stadium into the B12. They are likely to have plenty of money to repair/rebuild. Have you seen their long term plans?

A damn stadium did not get them into the B12. Their fan support, record, potential growth and market got them into the B12. Southern Miss has an OCS, where did that stadium get them?

Yes even USM in the poorest state in the union, being the 3rd rated public university in MS could build an OCS. That tells me the city of Memphis has & will use our university for the city's financial gain & will make decisions about our university in the city's best interest.

(06-16-2022 05:55 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:34 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 09:56 PM)danny1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 04:44 PM)3601 Wrote:  Nobody cares that the stadium is aluminum and not concrete. You sound like the insane Tiger Guard guy.

Do you know anything about the UCF stadium? It is basically built like an old high school stadium and the fact that it is aluminum, steel or whatever is causing a bunch of problems now. It is rusting out in so many places that it is going to be a nightmare to maintain.

The UCF stadium got them out of an off-campus municipal stadium into the B12. They are likely to have plenty of money to repair/rebuild. Have you seen their long term plans?

A damn stadium did not get them into the B12. Their fan support, record, potential growth and market got them into the B12. Southern Miss has an OCS, where did that stadium get them?

Yes even USM in the poorest state in the union, being the 3rd rated public university in MS could build an OCS. That tells me the city of Memphis has & will use our university for the city's financial gain & will make decisions about our university in the city's best interest.

Get over it. We ain’t getting an OCS. NEXT

(06-16-2022 03:07 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 02:33 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:34 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:29 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 08:47 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Absolutely. Non revenue generating sports offer free coke and pizza to get students in the building. Plenty of times I've walked to Elma Roane Fieldhouse from Robinson Hall (70 yards) to get free pizza and coke for girls bball and volleyball. Engaging students is important for both game experience and alumni buy-in later. Giving food and drink to students (as well as a cheering item) would pay for itself in the long run.

Shuttle students, and not just at before game. Have buses continually run between campus and game site on game days.

Get the students involved! Cal understood this, hence the Blue Crew. These are cheap, easy interventions. They can be managed by a low level employee and scholarship students earning scholly hours.

I'm not sure if snacks and trinkets are enough to get them there. Cal DID do a good job with the Blue Crew, but that has fallen off significantly since his departure. I think the overall separation of facilities is the biggest hurdle. It's far more difficult to get a non-sports student to a game when travel becomes involved. Like I said before, the Liberty Bowl will be a much better venue than many others in the AAC, but the fact it's disconnected from campus will always hurt attendance, especially when it comes to student participation. I don't think there are enough giveaways to offset the inconvenience of having off-site facilities.

It's difficult as a fan to see how disconnected our 2 main sports are from the actual college experience. I would be curious to know the percentage of student allotment seats are used for on campus sports compared to off campus sports. I know I would definitely be more inclined to go watch the women's team play basketball if I lived on campus as opposed to having to drive there, so I wonder if those on campus feel the same when it comes to living on campus and going off campus. And to be honest, who would rather deal with the headache of riding a shuttle across town to a game at LBMS than to walk across campus to a venue similar to UCF's?

You're spot on. So what should we do?

How can not having an OCS hurt attendance, if we're really a commuter school?
The university offers free shuttles to and from the LB for students.

Students can sure get to the LB for homecoming to get their little trophy and cheer for their Sorority/Fraternity. The lack of interest is way more than we don't have an OCS so they walk to a game. I emailed Tammy Hedges and she advised that they are doing a study to see how to improve the student experience.

I remember guys living on campus without cars. They'd bum rides to games if they could, but they were stuck on campus. Lots of times out-of-state guys that only went home on the holidays. All those guys are at a football game.

I remember driving home for weekends to get out of the dorm. The football games weren't normally a reason not to go home. Homecoming you stayed if you had a date. For those of us living on campus, we heard a lot more Big Jack on the radio than we saw football or basketball in person.

When I lived on campus, I likely would have strolled over to nearly every baseball game had that been possible. Just for entertainment/something to do. Finding and driving to Nat Buring wasn’t remotely appealing.

(06-16-2022 04:20 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 03:34 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 03:07 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 02:33 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:34 AM)gusrob Wrote:  You're spot on. So what should we do?

How can not having an OCS hurt attendance, if we're really a commuter school?
The university offers free shuttles to and from the LB for students.

Students can sure get to the LB for homecoming to get their little trophy and cheer for their Sorority/Fraternity. The lack of interest is way more than we don't have an OCS so they walk to a game. I emailed Tammy Hedges and she advised that they are doing a study to see how to improve the student experience.

I remember guys living on campus without cars. They'd bum rides to games if they could, but they were stuck on campus. Lots of times out-of-state guys that only went home on the holidays. All those guys are at a football game.

I remember driving home for weekends to get out of the dorm. The football games weren't normally a reason not to go home. Homecoming you stayed if you had a date. For those of us living on campus, we heard a lot more Big Jack on the radio than we saw football or basketball in person.

Chiming in from the other side of the fence, I was a live-at-home commuter student in the 74-79 period and also worked 30+ hours a week while attending classes. I remember driving to the LB for a lot of football games and the MSC for the basketball games, but never really went to any on-campus events. I didn't think anything about it and to me, it was a normal part of the college life. I think it boils down to individual "priorities" in how people want to experience college - and with the abundant options for entertainment for today's students, a live sporting event isn't as interesting as other avenues at their disposal. It may take a lot more than it previously did to get student involvement/attendance at games. JMHO

That's true. Another factor in those years we could drink at 18, but there was no beer at the football games. Sometimes the bar was more attractive than the game.

During the fair games you could sneak out at halftime and hit the beer tent.

(06-16-2022 05:55 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 09:34 AM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-15-2022 07:39 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 09:56 PM)danny1 Wrote:  

(06-14-2022 04:44 PM)3601 Wrote:  Nobody cares that the stadium is aluminum and not concrete. You sound like the insane Tiger Guard guy.

Do you know anything about the UCF stadium? It is basically built like an old high school stadium and the fact that it is aluminum, steel or whatever is causing a bunch of problems now. It is rusting out in so many places that it is going to be a nightmare to maintain.

The UCF stadium got them out of an off-campus municipal stadium into the B12. They are likely to have plenty of money to repair/rebuild. Have you seen their long term plans?

A damn stadium did not get them into the B12. Their fan support, record, potential growth and market got them into the B12. Southern Miss has an OCS, where did that stadium get them?

Yes even USM in the poorest state in the union, being the 3rd rated public university in MS could build an OCS. That tells me the city of Memphis has & will use our university for the city's financial gain & will make decisions about our university in the city's best interest.

I may be wrong, but I believe in TN the OCS for every college was originally provided with a lot of help from the State.

(06-16-2022 04:20 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 03:34 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 03:07 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 02:33 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(06-16-2022 09:34 AM)gusrob Wrote:  You're spot on. So what should we do?

How can not having an OCS hurt attendance, if we're really a commuter school?
The university offers free shuttles to and from the LB for students.

Students can sure get to the LB for homecoming to get their little trophy and cheer for their Sorority/Fraternity. The lack of interest is way more than we don't have an OCS so they walk to a game. I emailed Tammy Hedges and she advised that they are doing a study to see how to improve the student experience.

I remember guys living on campus without cars. They'd bum rides to games if they could, but they were stuck on campus. Lots of times out-of-state guys that only went home on the holidays. All those guys are at a football game.

I remember driving home for weekends to get out of the dorm. The football games weren't normally a reason not to go home. Homecoming you stayed if you had a date. For those of us living on campus, we heard a lot more Big Jack on the radio than we saw football or basketball in person.

Chiming in from the other side of the fence, I was a live-at-home commuter student in the 74-79 period and also worked 30+ hours a week while attending classes. I remember driving to the LB for a lot of football games and the MSC for the basketball games, but never really went to any on-campus events. I didn't think anything about it and to me, it was a normal part of the college life. I think it boils down to individual "priorities" in how people want to experience college - and with the abundant options for entertainment for today's students, a live sporting event isn't as interesting as other avenues at their disposal. It may take a lot more than it previously did to get student involvement/attendance at games. JMHO

That's true. Another factor in those years we could drink at 18, but there was no beer at the football games. Sometimes the bar was more attractive than the game.

As much as I would love an OCS, I don't want an OCS if it can't have beer. I wonder if campus would remain dry in that case.