(06-10-2022 06:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I do mean P6.

P6 mentality runs rampant through the G5.

Which is why you'll never get them to back down and agree to move to FCS.

If you're really asking is which conference will be #1, across FB and MBB in 2023-24, I'd have to go with the Mountain West Conference.

I wouldn't call them a "Power 6" conference, though.

(06-10-2022 07:32 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 06:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I do mean P6.

P6 mentality runs rampant through the G5.

Which is why you'll never get them to back down and agree to move to FCS.

If you're really asking is which conference will be #1, across FB and MBB in 2023-24, I'd have to go with the Mountain West Conference.

P6

(06-10-2022 05:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 05:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  None of the above. No one is a clear cut #6 and even if there was, there is a huge gulf between the PAC 12/ACC/Big 12 and any of the G5

I don't mean P6 by joining the club but P6 in the context of the best outside of the P5 as far as the G5 conferences go.

Competitively.

Clearly, you don't understand the concept of "power conferences".

(06-10-2022 06:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I do mean P6.

P6 mentality runs rampant through the G5.

Which is why you'll never get them to back down and agree to move to FCS.

No, it doesn't. Only those in the AAC declare "P6" the way Michael Scott declares bankruptcy.

(06-10-2022 02:49 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  P6 is dead, it was a marketing campaign. P5 is probably dead too.



The gap is getting wider.

Elites:
B1G
SEC

Middle Class:
PAC12
ACC
BIG12

Lower Class:
MWC
AAC
Sunbelt
MAC
CUSA

This is good. If we’re talking about money. As far as “power” on the field, tho, really the SEC is the only one that sticks out to me. No team on B1G, ACC, Pac12 or Big12(current or near future), “scares me” when/if my Bulldogs play them.

SEC is bad azz almost top to bottom. And I’m being COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE because I really can’t stand the SEC almost as much as I can’t stand the Pac12 (just different reasons of my hate for those two).

Big East

(06-10-2022 08:03 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 07:32 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 06:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I do mean P6.

P6 mentality runs rampant through the G5.

Which is why you'll never get them to back down and agree to move to FCS.

If you're really asking is which conference will be #1, across FB and MBB in 2023-24, I'd have to go with the Mountain West Conference.

P6

If you really mean "P6," I'd have defined the AAC as a "P6" in 2019.

2018-19 MBB: 4 NCAA bids, 2 NIT bids, USF=CBI championship team

2019: 4 teams in the final AP top 25

Until one of the G5 conferences comes close to equaling that, I'd say there is no P6 conference.

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(06-10-2022 10:14 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 08:03 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 07:32 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 06:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I do mean P6.

P6 mentality runs rampant through the G5.

Which is why you'll never get them to back down and agree to move to FCS.

If you're really asking is which conference will be #1, across FB and MBB in 2023-24, I'd have to go with the Mountain West Conference.

P6

If you really mean "P6," I'd have defined the AAC as a "P6" in 2019.

2018-19 MBB: 4 NCAA bids, 2 NIT bids, USF=CBI championship team

2019: 4 teams in the final AP top 25

Until one of the G5 conferences comes close to equaling that, I'd say there is no P6 conference.

.

No doubt it was P6 during that time.

Today however is a different era.

None. The difference between the P5 and G5 remains cavernous and will stay that way. The G5 will sort itself out into a pecking order in due time but it’s time for that ridiculous P6 discussion to fade away. ( And, yes, I think the Sun Belt will improve its standing within the G5.)

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(06-10-2022 04:56 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  No conference is P6 but Mwc is now the 6th best conference

Time will tell on that. The MWC may barely be ahead of AAC starting 2023, but $$ and coverage will quickly change that back to where it has been.

The AAC has built in advantages the MWC can't match.
The old AAC schools will not only keep the TV money they had, (2 to 3 mil above MWC) but get more primetime TV slots with the 3 gone, while splitting all the exit money from the 3. Add to that the new schools while getting less, will double or triple their TV $ and get better and more exposure than before.

Forget the AAC falling apart in the next 15 years, it won't happen. With 14 members they have #s to handle another raid, They still will have TV$ to replace without problems. Anyone in Cusa or the Belt would jump.

None .... The American was gutted with the departures of Cincinnati, Houston and UCF ....

(06-11-2022 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 04:56 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  No conference is P6 but Mwc is now the 6th best conference

Time will tell on that. The MWC may barely be ahead of AAC starting 2023, but $$ and coverage will quickly change that back to where it has been.

The AAC has built in advantages the MWC can't match.
The old AAC schools will not only keep the TV money they had, (2 to 3 mil above MWC) but get more primetime TV slots with the 3 gone, while splitting all the exit money from the 3. Add to that the new schools while getting less, will double or triple their TV $ and get better and more exposure than before.

Forget the AAC falling apart in the next 15 years, it won't happen. With 14 members they have #s to handle another raid, They still will have TV$ to replace without problems. Anyone in Cusa or the Belt would jump.

From top to bottom, AAC was barely ahead of the MWC as it is. Now with their best 3 leaving, MWC will be top and have their tv contract negotiations for 2026.

Money doesn’t matter as much as far as how good a conference is on the field of play. The pac and acc aren’t that far ahead of the aac and MWC, imo. And that gap seems to be shrinking regardless how much more money Pac and acc makes over aac and mw.

And I tell you this. Big 12 post-OUT will still be better than PAC and acc in football. Not much better, but Big12 isn’t slipping as far down as too many perceive. Maybe money wise come their next tv contract, but not on the field of play.

(06-11-2022 08:43 AM)Fresno Fanatic Wrote:  

(06-11-2022 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 04:56 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  No conference is P6 but Mwc is now the 6th best conference

Time will tell on that. The MWC may barely be ahead of AAC starting 2023, but $$ and coverage will quickly change that back to where it has been.

The AAC has built in advantages the MWC can't match.
The old AAC schools will not only keep the TV money they had, (2 to 3 mil above MWC) but get more primetime TV slots with the 3 gone, while splitting all the exit money from the 3. Add to that the new schools while getting less, will double or triple their TV $ and get better and more exposure than before.

Forget the AAC falling apart in the next 15 years, it won't happen. With 14 members they have #s to handle another raid, They still will have TV$ to replace without problems. Anyone in Cusa or the Belt would jump.

From top to bottom, AAC was barely ahead of the MWC as it is. Now with their best 3 leaving, MWC will be top and have their tv contract negotiations for 2026.

Money doesn’t matter as much as far as how good a conference is on the field of play. The pac and acc aren’t that far ahead of the aac and MWC, imo. And that gap seems to be shrinking regardless how much more money Pac and acc makes over aac and mw.

And I tell you this. Big 12 post-OUT will still be better than PAC and acc in football. Not much better, but Big12 isn’t slipping as far down as too many perceive. Maybe money wise come their next tv contract, but not on the field of play.

Whether the new Big 12 stays ahead of the PAC and ACC will have less to do with the departure of OUT than with the impact of NIL. Like it or not, NIL is now the biggest recruiting tool for college football and basketball, and it will have greater impact than media revenues unless schools can pay players directly.

The Mountain West might be in the strongest position to become the next P6 conference at this point.

However, in order for that to happen, they might have to expand. They could take a significant step in that direction by adding North and South Dakota State as football members.

NDSU was one of the top five G5 football schools last season according to the Sagarin rankings, and has had very strong viewership over the past decade, despite being a FCS program.

That would give the MWC 14 football and 11 olympic sports schools. To be considered a "P6," they would probably have to add 1, 2, or 3 quality basketball/olympic sports members from the region. The most obvious candidates would be the top WCC schools, such as Gonzaga, St. Mary's, and San Francisco. Adding Gonzaga would be huge.

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NOTA

I've posted many times:

"Power" in conference football is defined by most fair-minded and knowledgeable folks as roughly 95 percent about resources (budgets, coaches' salaries, fan bases, facilities, etc.) and not on-the-field results (10-win seasons, bowl wins, rankings, etc.) If you accept that definition, you realize the AAC and MWC (and the future Belt) cannot be "power" leagues in football. It truly is that simple.

Now, one could argue there will be "major" football programs that are members of the future G5 leagues (and I would like to think that Memphis will be one of those football programs just like I strongly feel Cincinnati has been in the AAC).

(06-11-2022 08:03 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(06-10-2022 04:56 PM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  No conference is P6 but Mwc is now the 6th best conference

Time will tell on that. The MWC may barely be ahead of AAC starting 2023, but $$ and coverage will quickly change that back to where it has been.

The AAC has built in advantages the MWC can't match.
The old AAC schools will not only keep the TV money they had, (2 to 3 mil above MWC) but get more primetime TV slots with the 3 gone, while splitting all the exit money from the 3. Add to that the new schools while getting less, will double or triple their TV $ and get better and more exposure than before.

Forget the AAC falling apart in the next 15 years, it won't happen. With 14 members they have #s to handle another raid, They still will have TV$ to replace without problems. Anyone in Cusa or the Belt would jump.

We don't know that for sure. We do know that ESPN has a clause that lets them renegotiate their contracts, both for $$ and time slots, and we do know that ESPN will be onboarding the SEC in the same time frame, which will take slots away from the AAC.

What we also know is that the AAC approached MWC schools, and despite what everyone SAID, no one jumped to the AAC from the MWC, despite the AAC having a very strong Western Division.

(06-10-2022 06:34 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  I do mean P6.

P6 mentality runs rampant through the G5.

Which is why you'll never get them to back down and agree to move to FCS.

No... it ran rampant with the AAC schools. The other G5 and P5 schools laughed at it name.