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(01-03-2023 02:01 PM)Doo Wrote:  When you score 8 goals on the host, who gets to decide who plays, it doesn’t help your chances of returning…unless of course we have a contract already in place for next year.
Tech wants the GLI to survive. If you’ve lost Michigan & you want the GLI to thrive in GR, wouldn’t you want Western in the tournament?
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I think they'll invite a different Michigan team next year.
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(01-03-2023 07:11 PM)bronconick Wrote:  I think they'll invite a different Michigan team next year.
So, it's going to be 3 CCHA teams + State? If Michigan is out, the only non-CCHA teams in the state are Western & State.
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There is a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on right now regarding the future of the GLI. The only certainties right now are the Tech is the host and State remains a permanent invitee.
01-04-2023 09:26 AM
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If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St. They probably want to try to get SCUM back into it so wont commit to WMU.
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(01-04-2023 09:49 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St.

I like this idea. Perhaps this kind of format: 1-NCHC/WMU, 1-CCHA/WCHA, 1-PIG10 and 1-Atlantic or Hockey East or ECAC.
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(01-04-2023 09:49 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St. They probably want to try to get SCUM back into it so wont commit to WMU.

Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but I don't think this would work. Wisky is terrible and too far away to attract fans. ND doesn't want any part of a tournament that isn't its own. Ohio State hockey doesn't travel, either.

Remember the Pepsi College Hockey tournaments in the mid 90s at Van Andel Arena? I remember these. They had WMU and Ferris both years, but had St Lawrence, North Dakota (!), Ohio State and Cornell over the two years.

https://sports-chronicles.com/chit/pages...tournament

Strange now that I notice it, both tournaments had WMU vs Ferris in the first round. Why wouldn't you have them play the non conference teams?
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I think the goal for Tech is profitability at this point. Tech will always be in, MSU will be in for the foreseeable future. They’ll take UM back as soon as they can, and the fourth will be a rotational team. Until UM gets back in, they will be replaced by whoever appears to be the biggest draw available. Depending on how WMU drew last week will determine our attractiveness for the next few years.
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(01-04-2023 09:49 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St. They probably want to try to get SCUM back into it so wont commit to WMU.

Part of making a tourney like that work is having really good attendance, and to do that you need fan bases that are both local and large (not just the hockey fan base too). The GLI having MSU and/or UofM is a requirement due to their huge fan bases outside of hockey that will spend money on the tourney because it's something special. For a Michigan tourney tOSU, Wisc, Notre Dame fan bases are too far away and we don't have the major school fan base to make that work on our own. We're a great secondary fan base to go along side a major in-state fan base as the (or one of the) primary schools in the tourney. A tourney at a neutral site like Van Andel needs more than good matchups, they need to make money and that requires a large local fan base to back it up.
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(01-05-2023 09:46 AM)moe24 Wrote:  
(01-04-2023 09:49 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St. They probably want to try to get SCUM back into it so wont commit to WMU.

Part of making a tourney like that work is having really good attendance, and to do that you need fan bases that are both local and large (not just the hockey fan base too). The GLI having MSU and/or UofM is a requirement due to their huge fan bases outside of hockey that will spend money on the tourney because it's something special. For a Michigan tourney tOSU, Wisc, Notre Dame fan bases are too far away and we don't have the major school fan base to make that work on our own. We're a great secondary fan base to go along side a major in-state fan base as the (or one of the) primary schools in the tourney. A tourney at a neutral site like Van Andel needs more than good matchups, they need to make money and that requires a large local fan base to back it up.

So how many fans do you think Tech actually brings in on average? If your going to run a tournament at Van Andel, WMU, MSU and Ferris would be the three teams most likely to draw fans, based on location of event to their fan base.

To me, it seems like the fans who attend are more alumni related. I not sure how many current students attend seeing it is during x-mas break, though I might be wrong. Seems like Detroit would be the best location to draw Alumni from WMU, MSU and Mich. Everyone else is an outlier.
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Especially if the event is going to be in GR it would be silly not to have WMU in it as much as possible.
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(01-05-2023 09:46 AM)moe24 Wrote:  Part of making a tourney like that work is having really good attendance, and to do that you need fan bases that are both local and large (not just the hockey fan base too). The GLI having MSU and/or UofM is a requirement due to their huge fan bases outside of hockey that will spend money on the tourney because it's something special. For a Michigan tourney tOSU, Wisc, Notre Dame fan bases are too far away and we don't have the major school fan base to make that work on our own. We're a great secondary fan base to go along side a major in-state fan base as the (or one of the) primary schools in the tourney. A tourney at a neutral site like Van Andel needs more than good matchups, they need to make money and that requires a large local fan base to back it up.

Are you suggesting that 14,000 tickets sold over two days isn't profitable? Not saying you're wrong.
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(01-05-2023 07:24 PM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 09:46 AM)moe24 Wrote:  Part of making a tourney like that work is having really good attendance, and to do that you need fan bases that are both local and large (not just the hockey fan base too). The GLI having MSU and/or UofM is a requirement due to their huge fan bases outside of hockey that will spend money on the tourney because it's something special. For a Michigan tourney tOSU, Wisc, Notre Dame fan bases are too far away and we don't have the major school fan base to make that work on our own. We're a great secondary fan base to go along side a major in-state fan base as the (or one of the) primary schools in the tourney. A tourney at a neutral site like Van Andel needs more than good matchups, they need to make money and that requires a large local fan base to back it up.

Are you suggesting that 14,000 tickets sold over two days isn't profitable? Not saying you're wrong.

You're agreeing with each other. He's saying if we go standup a holiday weekend tournament with teams from New England, ND/Minny, and elsewhere that aren't close driving distance, it'd be a failure from the jump becuase there'd be no attendance. The configuration of this year's GLI was PERFECT for attendance.
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(01-05-2023 02:11 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 09:46 AM)moe24 Wrote:  
(01-04-2023 09:49 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St. They probably want to try to get SCUM back into it so wont commit to WMU.

Part of making a tourney like that work is having really good attendance, and to do that you need fan bases that are both local and large (not just the hockey fan base too). The GLI having MSU and/or UofM is a requirement due to their huge fan bases outside of hockey that will spend money on the tourney because it's something special. For a Michigan tourney tOSU, Wisc, Notre Dame fan bases are too far away and we don't have the major school fan base to make that work on our own. We're a great secondary fan base to go along side a major in-state fan base as the (or one of the) primary schools in the tourney. A tourney at a neutral site like Van Andel needs more than good matchups, they need to make money and that requires a large local fan base to back it up.

So how many fans do you think Tech actually brings in on average? If your going to run a tournament at Van Andel, WMU, MSU and Ferris would be the three teams most likely to draw fans, based on location of event to their fan base.

To me, it seems like the fans who attend are more alumni related. I not sure how many current students attend seeing it is during x-mas break, though I might be wrong. Seems like Detroit would be the best location to draw Alumni from WMU, MSU and Mich. Everyone else is an outlier.

Tech clearly led the way in attendance on day 1.
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RE: 2022 GLI
(01-06-2023 11:10 AM)Doo Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 02:11 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 09:46 AM)moe24 Wrote:  
(01-04-2023 09:49 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St. They probably want to try to get SCUM back into it so wont commit to WMU.

Part of making a tourney like that work is having really good attendance, and to do that you need fan bases that are both local and large (not just the hockey fan base too). The GLI having MSU and/or UofM is a requirement due to their huge fan bases outside of hockey that will spend money on the tourney because it's something special. For a Michigan tourney tOSU, Wisc, Notre Dame fan bases are too far away and we don't have the major school fan base to make that work on our own. We're a great secondary fan base to go along side a major in-state fan base as the (or one of the) primary schools in the tourney. A tourney at a neutral site like Van Andel needs more than good matchups, they need to make money and that requires a large local fan base to back it up.

So how many fans do you think Tech actually brings in on average? If your going to run a tournament at Van Andel, WMU, MSU and Ferris would be the three teams most likely to draw fans, based on location of event to their fan base.

To me, it seems like the fans who attend are more alumni related. I not sure how many current students attend seeing it is during x-mas break, though I might be wrong. Seems like Detroit would be the best location to draw Alumni from WMU, MSU and Mich. Everyone else is an outlier.

Tech clearly led the way in attendance on day 1.
So when in GR, 8,279 on Tuesday and 6,486 on Wednesday, there was aprox 4,100 per gm on Tues and aprox. 3,200 on Wed.

But in Detroit in 2013, first day was 25,000 and second day was 26,000. That was Mich, MSU, WMU and Tech.

Is the difference Detroit? Mich? Both? Wasn't this the last one in Joe Louis Arena?
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2013 GLI was in Comerica, definitely an outlier.
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(01-06-2023 01:52 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  2013 GLI was in Comerica, definitely an outlier.

I forgot about that 03-banghead
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(01-06-2023 01:41 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 11:10 AM)Doo Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 02:11 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 09:46 AM)moe24 Wrote:  
(01-04-2023 09:49 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St. They probably want to try to get SCUM back into it so wont commit to WMU.

Part of making a tourney like that work is having really good attendance, and to do that you need fan bases that are both local and large (not just the hockey fan base too). The GLI having MSU and/or UofM is a requirement due to their huge fan bases outside of hockey that will spend money on the tourney because it's something special. For a Michigan tourney tOSU, Wisc, Notre Dame fan bases are too far away and we don't have the major school fan base to make that work on our own. We're a great secondary fan base to go along side a major in-state fan base as the (or one of the) primary schools in the tourney. A tourney at a neutral site like Van Andel needs more than good matchups, they need to make money and that requires a large local fan base to back it up.

So how many fans do you think Tech actually brings in on average? If your going to run a tournament at Van Andel, WMU, MSU and Ferris would be the three teams most likely to draw fans, based on location of event to their fan base.

To me, it seems like the fans who attend are more alumni related. I not sure how many current students attend seeing it is during x-mas break, though I might be wrong. Seems like Detroit would be the best location to draw Alumni from WMU, MSU and Mich. Everyone else is an outlier.

Tech clearly led the way in attendance on day 1.
So when in GR, 8,279 on Tuesday and 6,486 on Wednesday, there was aprox 4,100 per gm on Tues and aprox. 3,200 on Wed.

But in Detroit in 2013, first day was 25,000 and second day was 26,000. That was Mich, MSU, WMU and Tech.

Is the difference Detroit? Mich? Both? Wasn't this the last one in Joe Louis Arena?

The issue I believe is when it’s in Detroit it’s being played in Little Ceasers (or when it was at the Joe). So may of the advertisements for it were during Wings games and to the large crowds of hockey fans attending those games….

Marketing games at Van Andel is just not on the same level. Marketing for this GLI also seemed a little subdued …. Maybe lack of UM involved…. Who knows. Maybe it being hosted by a team from the northern north of the UP?
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(01-06-2023 01:41 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  
(01-06-2023 11:10 AM)Doo Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 02:11 PM)Brownandgoldlaker Wrote:  
(01-05-2023 09:46 AM)moe24 Wrote:  
(01-04-2023 09:49 AM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  If WMU isn't offered a permanent spot, they should look into hosting their own showcase at the Van Andel. Invite Notre Dame, BG, and Wisconsin or Ohio St. They probably want to try to get SCUM back into it so wont commit to WMU.

Part of making a tourney like that work is having really good attendance, and to do that you need fan bases that are both local and large (not just the hockey fan base too). The GLI having MSU and/or UofM is a requirement due to their huge fan bases outside of hockey that will spend money on the tourney because it's something special. For a Michigan tourney tOSU, Wisc, Notre Dame fan bases are too far away and we don't have the major school fan base to make that work on our own. We're a great secondary fan base to go along side a major in-state fan base as the (or one of the) primary schools in the tourney. A tourney at a neutral site like Van Andel needs more than good matchups, they need to make money and that requires a large local fan base to back it up.

So how many fans do you think Tech actually brings in on average? If your going to run a tournament at Van Andel, WMU, MSU and Ferris would be the three teams most likely to draw fans, based on location of event to their fan base.

To me, it seems like the fans who attend are more alumni related. I not sure how many current students attend seeing it is during x-mas break, though I might be wrong. Seems like Detroit would be the best location to draw Alumni from WMU, MSU and Mich. Everyone else is an outlier.

Tech clearly led the way in attendance on day 1.
So when in GR, 8,279 on Tuesday and 6,486 on Wednesday, there was aprox 4,100 per gm on Tues and aprox. 3,200 on Wed.

But in Detroit in 2013, first day was 25,000 and second day was 26,000. That was Mich, MSU, WMU and Tech.

Is the difference Detroit? Mich? Both? Wasn't this the last one in Joe Louis Arena?
Besides the fact those are Comerica numbers....

Detroit is always going to be the best place for the GLI. It has 50 years of tradition behind it. There are alums of all Michigan schools living in the Metro Detroit area. It's also the one time of year Detroiters have a chance to see their school play in Detroit. Someone living in West Michigan can see the Broncos all season long.

Michigan & State also have the biggest fan bases. If you take Michigan out of the equation, there are going to be less fans there.

It seemed like Mel Pearson was on a mission to remove Michigan from the GLI. Odd considering he has coached 2 of 3 annual participants. He knows its importance to Michigan Tech. He has caused damage to this Tournament & Michigan's participation in it. It'll be interesting to see if Brandon Naurato or a different permanent successor shares that same vision as Mel.
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No wonder they hate him in Houghton.
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