Big Ten
North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Rutgers
Boston College, Syracuse, Purdue, Notre Dame
Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
Minnesota, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska
Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin
USC, Stanford, UCLA, California
Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

SEC
Pittsburgh, Louisville, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Florida State, Miami, Clemson, South Carolina
Baylor, Arizona State, Oklahoma, Texas
Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky
Duke, NC State, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech

Play 10 games in the conference - 3 in your pod, 6 across the remaining pods based on previous year finish - (similar to NFL method of scheduling), and 1 protected rival (i.e. ND vs USC). The remaining 2 games vs the other conference.

The top 8 make the playoffs. Conference winners play in the championship.

Left out Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, TCU, Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, Wake Forest

(07-01-2022 09:11 AM)swardy76 Wrote:  Big Ten
North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Rutgers
Boston College, Syracuse, Purdue, Notre Dame
Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
Minnesota, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska
Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin
USC, Stanford, UCLA, California
Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

SEC
Pittsburgh, Louisville, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Florida State, Miami, Clemson, South Carolina
Baylor, Arizona State, Oklahoma, Texas
Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky
Duke, NC State, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech

Play 10 games in the conference - 3 in your pod, 6 across the remaining pods based on previous year finish - (similar to NFL method of scheduling), and 1 protected rival (i.e. ND vs USC). The remaining 2 games vs the other conference.

The top 8 make the playoffs. Conference winners play in the championship.

Left out Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, TCU, Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, Wake Forest

At conferences over 20, I think something more like this:

B1G
Central: Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Coastal: Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn St, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse
North: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Purdue
Pacific: California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington

SEC
Atlantic: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Southeast: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Southwest: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

XXIV
Central: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Memphis, Oklahoma St, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech
East: Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Louisville, North Carolina St, South Florida, Wake Forest, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, BYU, Colorado, Kansas St, Oregon St, Utah, Washington St

(06-24-2022 04:48 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 04:27 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(06-24-2022 12:55 PM)ken d Wrote:  This configuration of conferences results in 10 Year MSR (Mean Sagarin Rankings) in the Top 25 as follows:

8 SEC teams
7 PAC
5 B1G
3 ACC
2 B12

Surprised?

Top 10s

4 SEC (Alabama, Oklahoma, Georgia, LSU)
3 B1G (Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan)
2 PAC (Oregon, Oklahoma St)
1 ACC (Clemson)...Notre Dame is #11

ken d: Who did you mean instead of Oklahoma St in the PAC?

See post #67, where XLance proposes moving Kansas, TCU and OK State to the PAC to bring them to 15 members.

Ah, I misunderstood; I thought you had intended to put a current PAC member there, and I was certain it was not Oregon State.

(07-01-2022 10:27 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(07-01-2022 09:11 AM)swardy76 Wrote:  Big Ten
North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Rutgers
Boston College, Syracuse, Purdue, Notre Dame
Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
Minnesota, Kansas, Iowa, Nebraska
Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin
USC, Stanford, UCLA, California
Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado

SEC
Pittsburgh, Louisville, West Virginia, Virginia Tech
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia
LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Florida State, Miami, Clemson, South Carolina
Baylor, Arizona State, Oklahoma, Texas
Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky
Duke, NC State, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech

Play 10 games in the conference - 3 in your pod, 6 across the remaining pods based on previous year finish - (similar to NFL method of scheduling), and 1 protected rival (i.e. ND vs USC). The remaining 2 games vs the other conference.

The top 8 make the playoffs. Conference winners play in the championship.

Left out Iowa State, Kansas State, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, TCU, Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, Wake Forest

At conferences over 20, I think something more like this:

B1G
Central: Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Coastal: Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn St, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse
North: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Purdue
Pacific: California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington

SEC
Atlantic: Clemson, Duke, Florida St, Georgia Tech, Miami, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Southeast: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Southwest: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Mississippi St, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

XXIV
Central: Baylor, Houston, Iowa St, Memphis, Oklahoma St, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech
East: Boston College, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Louisville, North Carolina St, South Florida, Wake Forest, West Virginia
West: Arizona, Arizona St, BYU, Colorado, Kansas St, Oregon St, Utah, Washington St

Well, that takes care of the entire P5 and elevates a few G5's. Shouldn't be any lawsuits or damages in that scenario.

I propose this:

To the Big Ten: Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Utah

To the Big 12: Cal, San Diego State, Boise State, SMU, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State and Washington State

To the SEC: Kansas, Baylor, Florida State and Clemson

To the ACC: UCF, USF, West Virginia, Cincinnati


The "new, new" Big 12 should just buy the WAC name because they'd be a true western athletic conference, with PAC X remnants. ND would continue to maintain its current relationship with the ACC.

The SEC would enhance its basketball acumen without harming the ACC further by taking Kansas and Baylor.

I think it's still important for "State" programs like ASU, KSU, ISU, OSU, WSU and the other OSU in the mix going forward.

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than a P2, little 3 or 2? Absolutely!

Maybe P2 or P3? Saban predicts that 60 teams will play in an NFL-style league with two or three megaconferences completely breaking away from G5.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabam...-rolls-on/

I'm predicting P3, with:

SEC's reputation, expenses (pay, stadia, ...), marketing, etc. being very pro-like, thus drawing NFL-type fans.

Big XII+? being largely college-like, thus drawing college type fans.

B1G in between on their approach, or the best of both.

(08-12-2022 02:09 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I propose this:

To the Big Ten: Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Utah

To the Big 12: Cal, San Diego State, Boise State, SMU, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State and Washington State

To the SEC: Kansas, Baylor, Florida State and Clemson

To the ACC: UCF, USF, West Virginia, Cincinnati


The "new, new" Big 12 should just buy the WAC name because they'd be a true western athletic conference, with PAC X remnants. ND would continue to maintain its current relationship with the ACC.

The SEC would enhance its basketball acumen without harming the ACC further by taking Kansas and Baylor.

I think it's still important for "State" programs like ASU, KSU, ISU, OSU, WSU and the other OSU in the mix going forward.

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than a P2, little 3 or 2? Absolutely!

Let's make it even simpler, and merge the ACC instead of the PAC.

To the Big Ten: Stanford, Kansas, and 4 ACC (VA, NC, Duke, GA tech) - 16+6 = 22

To the SEC: 6 ACC (NC state, VA tech, Louisville, Miami, Florida State and Clemson) - 16+6=22

To the PAC: San Diego State, Boise State, and BYU - 10-1+3 = 12

To the ACC/B12 merged: USF, and Memphis - (14+ND)-10 +12-2+2=16+ND

Could add SMU and Temple to the ACC/B12 as well, to go to 18+ND.

(06-23-2022 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Okay. A 4x18 utilizing Occam's Razor which in this case means very limited movement from the full member's of the ACC, SEC, Big 10, and likely the PAC 12. However the ACC is impacted, just not by the SEC.

ACC: Adds Baylor, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Temple, and West Virginia

Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Temple, West Virginia

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Baylor, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Houston, Miami


Big Ten: Adds Colorado, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin

Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern


SEC: Adds Kansas and South Florida (a brand hoops program and a second Florida school

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida, Tennessee

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


PAC 12: Adds Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, California Los Angeles, San Diego State, Southern Cal

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

I don't believe any of this happens but if it was forced perhaps it would look something like this.

Obviously we'll need to rearrange some of the deck chairs since we last looked at this in June and 16 seems to be the most workable number. It is possible for the BIGPAC conference to be the exception to the 16 rule and actually move to 18.

The SEC and the B1G are set at 16 each.

The ACC adds West Virginia and UCF, with Notre Dame retaining their 5/8ths partial membership in the ACC.

The PAC/Big 12 (BIGPAC) becomes:

Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, Colorado
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston
If this conference were to expand to 18, add: California and San Diego State. This would leave Cal and SDSU in the west and shift Colorado, east.

(08-14-2022 11:28 AM)unalions Wrote:  Maybe P2 or P3? Saban predicts that 60 teams will play in an NFL-style league with two or three megaconferences completely breaking away from G5.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/alabam...-rolls-on/

Pandora's Box... I can't wait to watch the P3 eat themselves.

(08-17-2022 04:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-23-2022 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Okay. A 4x18 utilizing Occam's Razor which in this case means very limited movement from the full member's of the ACC, SEC, Big 10, and likely the PAC 12. However the ACC is impacted, just not by the SEC.

ACC: Adds Baylor, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Temple, and West Virginia

Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Temple, West Virginia

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Baylor, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Houston, Miami


Big Ten: Adds Colorado, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin

Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern


SEC: Adds Kansas and South Florida (a brand hoops program and a second Florida school

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida, Tennessee

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


PAC 12: Adds Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, California Los Angeles, San Diego State, Southern Cal

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

I don't believe any of this happens but if it was forced perhaps it would look something like this.

Obviously we'll need to rearrange some of the deck chairs since we last looked at this in June and 16 seems to be the most workable number. It is possible for the BIGPAC conference to be the exception to the 16 rule and actually move to 18.

The SEC and the B1G are set at 16 each.

The ACC adds West Virginia and UCF, with Notre Dame retaining their 5/8ths partial membership in the ACC.

The PAC/Big 12 (BIGPAC) becomes:

Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, Colorado
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston
If this conference were to expand to 18, add: California and San Diego State. This would leave Cal and SDSU in the west and shift Colorado, east.

On stage 2 of grief, XLance??

(08-17-2022 02:51 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-17-2022 04:45 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-23-2022 04:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Okay. A 4x18 utilizing Occam's Razor which in this case means very limited movement from the full member's of the ACC, SEC, Big 10, and likely the PAC 12. However the ACC is impacted, just not by the SEC.

ACC: Adds Baylor, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Houston, Temple, and West Virginia

Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Temple, West Virginia

Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest

Baylor, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Houston, Miami


Big Ten: Adds Colorado, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and Notre Dame

Maryland, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Syracuse

Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Purdue, Wisconsin

Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern


SEC: Adds Kansas and South Florida (a brand hoops program and a second Florida school

Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Vanderbilt

Alabama, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Florida, Tennessee

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M


PAC 12: Adds Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, San Diego State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, Utah, Washington, Washington State

Arizona, Arizona State, California, California Los Angeles, San Diego State, Southern Cal

Brigham Young, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Texas Tech

I don't believe any of this happens but if it was forced perhaps it would look something like this.

Obviously we'll need to rearrange some of the deck chairs since we last looked at this in June and 16 seems to be the most workable number. It is possible for the BIGPAC conference to be the exception to the 16 rule and actually move to 18.

The SEC and the B1G are set at 16 each.

The ACC adds West Virginia and UCF, with Notre Dame retaining their 5/8ths partial membership in the ACC.

The PAC/Big 12 (BIGPAC) becomes:

Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, Colorado
Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston
If this conference were to expand to 18, add: California and San Diego State. This would leave Cal and SDSU in the west and shift Colorado, east.

On stage 2 of grief, XLance??

Grief? We're going to come out of this "smelling like a rose".

(08-14-2022 05:26 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 02:09 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I propose this:

To the Big Ten: Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Utah

To the Big 12: Cal, San Diego State, Boise State, SMU, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State and Washington State

To the SEC: Kansas, Baylor, Florida State and Clemson

To the ACC: UCF, USF, West Virginia, Cincinnati


The "new, new" Big 12 should just buy the WAC name because they'd be a true western athletic conference, with PAC X remnants. ND would continue to maintain its current relationship with the ACC.

The SEC would enhance its basketball acumen without harming the ACC further by taking Kansas and Baylor.

I think it's still important for "State" programs like ASU, KSU, ISU, OSU, WSU and the other OSU in the mix going forward.

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than a P2, little 3 or 2? Absolutely!

Let's make it even simpler, and merge the ACC instead of the PAC.

To the Big Ten: Stanford, Kansas, and 4 ACC (VA, NC, Duke, GA tech) - 16+6 = 22

To the SEC: 6 ACC (NC state, VA tech, Louisville, Miami, Florida State and Clemson) - 16+6=22

To the PAC: San Diego State, Boise State, and BYU - 10-1+3 = 12

To the ACC/B12 merged: USF, and Memphis - (14+ND)-10 +12-2+2=16+ND

Could add SMU and Temple to the ACC/B12 as well, to go to 18+ND.

Was thinking about this more, and should probably swap Miami and Kansas. And SEC adds OK state instead of Louisville.

And to go to 24, B10 adds AZ state and Colorado to complete the geographic bridge to socal.

And after being raided, the remaining B12 could merge to either ACC or PAC. Or could add Rice, Tulane and Tulsa, for 10. Added Gonzaga and Wichita for non-FB; and ECU to even numbers.

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Big10 - 24
Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, VA / NC, Duke, GA tech, Miami

Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin / Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern

Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado / Arizona state, USC, UCLA, Stanford.

SEC - 22
Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state, Texas, Texas A&M

Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Louisiana State

VA tech, NC state, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Clemson, Florida State

ACC - 12+ND
Boston College, Temple, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Wake Forest, ECU, UCF, USF - (plus ND non-FB)

B12 - 10+Wichita
Iowa state, Kansas state, Tulsa, Tulane, Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas tech - (plus Wichita non-FB)

PAC- 10+Gonzaga
WA, WSU, OR, OSU, BSU, BYU, UT, AZ, SDSU, Cal - (plus Gonzaga non-FB)

(08-20-2022 12:54 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-14-2022 05:26 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 02:09 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I propose this:

To the Big Ten: Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Utah

To the Big 12: Cal, San Diego State, Boise State, SMU, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State and Washington State

To the SEC: Kansas, Baylor, Florida State and Clemson

To the ACC: UCF, USF, West Virginia, Cincinnati


The "new, new" Big 12 should just buy the WAC name because they'd be a true western athletic conference, with PAC X remnants. ND would continue to maintain its current relationship with the ACC.

The SEC would enhance its basketball acumen without harming the ACC further by taking Kansas and Baylor.

I think it's still important for "State" programs like ASU, KSU, ISU, OSU, WSU and the other OSU in the mix going forward.

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than a P2, little 3 or 2? Absolutely!

Let's make it even simpler, and merge the ACC instead of the PAC.

To the Big Ten: Stanford, Kansas, and 4 ACC (VA, NC, Duke, GA tech) - 16+6 = 22

To the SEC: 6 ACC (NC state, VA tech, Louisville, Miami, Florida State and Clemson) - 16+6=22

To the PAC: San Diego State, Boise State, and BYU - 10-1+3 = 12

To the ACC/B12 merged: USF, and Memphis - (14+ND)-10 +12-2+2=16+ND

Could add SMU and Temple to the ACC/B12 as well, to go to 18+ND.

Was thinking about this more, and should probably swap Miami and Kansas. And SEC adds OK state instead of Louisville.

And to go to 24, B10 adds AZ state and Colorado to complete the geographic bridge to socal.

And after being raided, the remaining B12 could merge to either ACC or PAC. Or could add Rice, Tulane and Tulsa, for 10. Added Gonzaga and Wichita for non-FB; and ECU to even numbers.

-----------------------
Big10 - 24
Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, VA / NC, Duke, GA tech, Miami

Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin / Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern

Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado / Arizona state, USC, UCLA, Stanford.

SEC - 22
Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state, Texas, Texas A&M

Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Louisiana State

VA tech, NC state, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Clemson, Florida State

ACC - 12+ND
Boston College, Temple, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Wake Forest, ECU, UCF, USF - (plus ND non-FB)

B12 - 10+Wichita
Iowa state, Kansas state, Tulsa, Tulane, Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas tech - (plus Wichita non-FB)

PAC- 10+Gonzaga
WA, WSU, OR, OSU, BSU, BYU, UT, AZ, SDSU, Cal - (plus Gonzaga non-FB)

Wait, what? Is that 81 schools? I thought JR's 4 by 18 would suffice to allay potential for litigation. Do you think the nets will pay for this many? At least two schools I root for are included. Wait, I think we need to make room for the Northern Arizona Lumberjacks, the Maine Black Bears, and the Presbyterian Blue Hose (I really like the names).

(08-20-2022 09:15 PM)EdwordL Wrote:  

(08-20-2022 12:54 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-14-2022 05:26 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 02:09 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I propose this:

To the Big Ten: Washington, Oregon, Stanford and Utah

To the Big 12: Cal, San Diego State, Boise State, SMU, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State and Washington State

To the SEC: Kansas, Baylor, Florida State and Clemson

To the ACC: UCF, USF, West Virginia, Cincinnati


The "new, new" Big 12 should just buy the WAC name because they'd be a true western athletic conference, with PAC X remnants. ND would continue to maintain its current relationship with the ACC.

The SEC would enhance its basketball acumen without harming the ACC further by taking Kansas and Baylor.

I think it's still important for "State" programs like ASU, KSU, ISU, OSU, WSU and the other OSU in the mix going forward.

Is it perfect? No. Is it better than a P2, little 3 or 2? Absolutely!

Let's make it even simpler, and merge the ACC instead of the PAC.

To the Big Ten: Stanford, Kansas, and 4 ACC (VA, NC, Duke, GA tech) - 16+6 = 22

To the SEC: 6 ACC (NC state, VA tech, Louisville, Miami, Florida State and Clemson) - 16+6=22

To the PAC: San Diego State, Boise State, and BYU - 10-1+3 = 12

To the ACC/B12 merged: USF, and Memphis - (14+ND)-10 +12-2+2=16+ND

Could add SMU and Temple to the ACC/B12 as well, to go to 18+ND.

Was thinking about this more, and should probably swap Miami and Kansas. And SEC adds OK state instead of Louisville.

And to go to 24, B10 adds AZ state and Colorado to complete the geographic bridge to socal.

And after being raided, the remaining B12 could merge to either ACC or PAC. Or could add Rice, Tulane and Tulsa, for 10. Added Gonzaga and Wichita for non-FB; and ECU to even numbers.

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Big10 - 24
Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, VA / NC, Duke, GA tech, Miami

Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Wisconsin / Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern

Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado / Arizona state, USC, UCLA, Stanford.

SEC - 22
Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma state, Texas, Texas A&M

Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Louisiana State

VA tech, NC state, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, South Carolina, Clemson, Florida State

ACC - 12+ND
Boston College, Temple, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, West Virginia, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Wake Forest, ECU, UCF, USF - (plus ND non-FB)

B12 - 10+Wichita
Iowa state, Kansas state, Tulsa, Tulane, Baylor, Houston, Rice, SMU, TCU, Texas tech - (plus Wichita non-FB)

PAC- 10+Gonzaga
WA, WSU, OR, OSU, BSU, BYU, UT, AZ, SDSU, Cal - (plus Gonzaga non-FB)

Wait, what? Is that 81 schools? I thought JR's 4 by 18 would suffice to allay potential for litigation. Do you think the nets will pay for this many? At least two schools I root for are included. Wait, I think we need to make room for the Northern Arizona Lumberjacks, the Maine Black Bears, and the Presbyterian Blue Hose (I really like the names).

oh, if you're going for the "breakaway", then just drop Gonzaga and Wichita state. And it's 80+ND.

I have another alternative idea for a P4

SEC and ACC

No change

Big Ten

Picks up Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon from PAC

Big 12

Picks up Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado from PAC

Picks up Memphis and Tulane from the AAC

Memphis and Tulane fills up a lot of the gap between Texas to Ohio to West Virginia to Florida but also gains a presence in a section of the South that has a quantity of recruits, especially Louisiana. Tulane is showing signs of becoming an average football program. Last Saturday's game was a sellout. While their stadium is small when the team is competitive people down there will show up to watch. Tulane and Memphis will also complement Houston in the Gulf area.

This move also makes it possible for the nBig 12 to go to 3 divisions of six:

Utah, Colorado, Texas Tech, BYU, Arizona, Arizona State

TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

Houston, Tulane, West Virginia, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF


So 20, 18, 16 and 14 + ND, which comes out to 69. The major change is switching out WSU and OSU for Tulane and Memphis, which some would look unfavorably. Maybe nPAC could be a M1 conference, drawing in Boise, Fresno, San Diego, Las Vegas, DFW, adding either San Antonio or Hawaii.



A 2nd alternative:

SEC

none

ACC

adds Cincinnati and West Virginia

Big Ten

Same as 1st

Big 12

Same programs from PAC

USF to replace West Virginia
Memphis to replace Cincinnati

adds Tulane and UAB

Now Big 12 has a stronger presence in the Gulf and deep South areas, which would also help lessen dependence on Texas recruiting. UAB puts them right into Birmingham and biggest college football hotbed.

Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, BYU, Texas Tech, Colorado

TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

Houston, Tulane, Memphis, UAB, USF, UCF

(06-08-2022 05:00 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 10:44 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(06-06-2022 07:22 AM)XLance Wrote:  Perhaps the compromise is to revert back to the current 65, leaving Notre Dame "special", but rearranging the deck chairs:

Oregon, Oregon State, Washington Washington State, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC
Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Texas, Texas A&M, Missouri
Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia

Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, Clemson NC State, Wake Forest
Louisville, Kentucky, West Virginia, Virginia Tech, UVa, Carolina, Duke, South Carolina

Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State
Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Michigan

Now I see why don't want UNC in the SEC: you don't think that UNC could compete in it. The above is very wishful thinking. I firmly believe that UNC could compete in the SEC. It would take some time, but I believe that it could do so. FSU and Clemson would be contending in the SEC much quicker than UNC, but this because of the makeup of FSU's and Clemson's donor base as opposed to UNC's.

Dawg, Carolina just doesn't want to compete in the SEC.
At one time we were all in a conference together. The two old Southern Conference schools that ended up in the SEC that Carolina played most often were Georgia and Tennessee. We haven't played either since the '60's except for a few bowl games (although Tennessee did back out of a scheduled series about 15 years ago).
BTW the two that Duke played most often were Tennessee and Georgia Tech. Tennessee is no longer on Duke's schedule but the Devils have played GT every year since 1933.
The only SEC team that Carolina has scheduled with any regularity in recent years has been South Carolina. Those games were initiated by South Carolina, in the 30 years of being in the SEC the Gamecocks haven't developed a single "real" conference rivalry game.

This is interesting information.

I've thought for awhile that I think NC might very well be content to stay in the ACC, if the media deal can get figured out to be even just a "little" better.

And the above adds to the reasoning.

So I think NC would be just fine staying in the hybrid old big east-magnolia/ivy league, with their friends and rivals gathered around them.

Just find a way to vote Clemson and FSU off the island, and then just add more schools more like-minded to the rest.

QED

and everyone's happy : )

(10-23-2022 09:51 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I have another alternative idea for a P4

SEC and ACC

No change

Big Ten

Picks up Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon from PAC

Big 12

Picks up Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado from PAC

Picks up Memphis and Tulane from the AAC

Memphis and Tulane fills up a lot of the gap between Texas to Ohio to West Virginia to Florida but also gains a presence in a section of the South that has a quantity of recruits, especially Louisiana. Tulane is showing signs of becoming an average football program. Last Saturday's game was a sellout. While their stadium is small when the team is competitive people down there will show up to watch. Tulane and Memphis will also complement Houston in the Gulf area.

This move also makes it possible for the nBig 12 to go to 3 divisions of six:

Utah, Colorado, Texas Tech, BYU, Arizona, Arizona State

TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

Houston, Tulane, West Virginia, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF


So 20, 18, 16 and 14 + ND, which comes out to 69. The major change is switching out WSU and OSU for Tulane and Memphis, which some would look unfavorably. Maybe nPAC could be a M1 conference, drawing in Boise, Fresno, San Diego, Las Vegas, DFW, adding either San Antonio or Hawaii.

SEC

I think the SEC may like to move to 18 anyway. We have 2 smaller needs which need to be met before options close out. We need a rival for Kentucky in hoops. Kansas fits the bill and helps finish out a 6-member new West in the SEC.

We need a second Florida school, preferably F.S.U. to dominate ratings and increase Florida ad revenue, but if that option is not possible then as crazy as it sounds, I would like to see us pick up South Florida. It still meets the needs of members wanting games in Florida and with SEC money they might jump up in competitiveness.

SEC West:
Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

SEC Central:
Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

SEC East:
Florida, Florida State/South Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee


ACC

If the ACC moved to 18 they could take Cincinnati and West Virginia, or Central Florida and West Virginia. If FSU moves to the SEC with Kansas, they take South Florida.

This leaves 3 openings in that Big 12 of 3 divisions.

People forget that Oregon State and Washington State are worth more than most of the G5's and would still make better additions.

ACC North:
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Miami, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

ACC Central:
Cincinnati, Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia

ACC South:
Clemson, Central Florida, Florida State/South Florida, Georgia Tech, *Notre Dame, Wake Forest

*Notre Dame plays their 5 games in this division. If they win it they are in the ACC playoffs.


Big 12

Try this on for size:
Big 12 North:
Fresno State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Big 12 West:
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado, San Diego State, Texas Tech

Big 12 East:
Baylor, Houston, Memphis, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Tulane



Big 10

No Divisions but this is for a look at groupings:

West:
California, California Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Midwest:
Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Mideast:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

That's 74 schools Transic. It feels a bit much to me, but the additions of San Diego State and Fresno State help the West a bit more in representation.

Feel free to fire some thoughts.

(10-23-2022 11:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 09:51 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I have another alternative idea for a P4

SEC and ACC

No change

Big Ten

Picks up Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon from PAC

Big 12

Picks up Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado from PAC

Picks up Memphis and Tulane from the AAC

Memphis and Tulane fills up a lot of the gap between Texas to Ohio to West Virginia to Florida but also gains a presence in a section of the South that has a quantity of recruits, especially Louisiana. Tulane is showing signs of becoming an average football program. Last Saturday's game was a sellout. While their stadium is small when the team is competitive people down there will show up to watch. Tulane and Memphis will also complement Houston in the Gulf area.

This move also makes it possible for the nBig 12 to go to 3 divisions of six:

Utah, Colorado, Texas Tech, BYU, Arizona, Arizona State

TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

Houston, Tulane, West Virginia, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF


So 20, 18, 16 and 14 + ND, which comes out to 69. The major change is switching out WSU and OSU for Tulane and Memphis, which some would look unfavorably. Maybe nPAC could be a M1 conference, drawing in Boise, Fresno, San Diego, Las Vegas, DFW, adding either San Antonio or Hawaii.

SEC

I think the SEC may like to move to 18 anyway. We have 2 smaller needs which need to be met before options close out. We need a rival for Kentucky in hoops. Kansas fits the bill and helps finish out a 6-member new West in the SEC.

We need a second Florida school, preferably F.S.U. to dominate ratings and increase Florida ad revenue, but if that option is not possible then as crazy as it sounds, I would like to see us pick up South Florida. It still meets the needs of members wanting games in Florida and with SEC money they might jump up in competitiveness.

SEC West:
Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

SEC Central:
Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

SEC East:
Florida, Florida State/South Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee


ACC

If the ACC moved to 18 they could take Cincinnati and West Virginia, or Central Florida and West Virginia. If FSU moves to the SEC with Kansas, they take South Florida.

This leaves 3 openings in that Big 12 of 3 divisions.

People forget that Oregon State and Washington State are worth more than most of the G5's and would still make better additions.

ACC North:
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Miami, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

ACC Central:
Cincinnati, Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia

ACC South:
Clemson, Central Florida, Florida State/South Florida, Georgia Tech, *Notre Dame, Wake Forest

*Notre Dame plays their 5 games in this division. If they win it they are in the ACC playoffs.


Big 12

Try this on for size:
Big 12 North:
Fresno State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Big 12 West:
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado, San Diego State, Texas Tech

Big 12 East:
Baylor, Houston, Memphis, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Tulane



Big 10

No Divisions but this is for a look at groupings:

West:
California, California Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Midwest:
Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Mideast:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

That's 74 schools Transic. It feels a bit much to me, but the additions of San Diego State and Fresno State help the West a bit more in representation.

Feel free to fire some thoughts.

I've thought about the South Florida option. While I don't subscribe to most message board theories about the ACC, I think the comments by the FSU president at the Tallahassee Chamber of Commerce made it appear that they're ready to move on, whenever that is possible. In that case, the ACC will immediate move on to Central Florida. They'll still need West Virginia and Cincinnati for security. The Big 12 would be forced to give up any notion of having a presence in the Eastern Time Zone and become the Best of West after the Big Ten. That means South Florida will have to stay in the AAC, along with Memphis and Tulane.

So Kansas State, Iowa State, BYU, Oklahoma State, Washington State, Oregon State, Colorado, Utah, Arizona State, Arizona, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Houston, San Diego State and Fresno State become the new Big 12.

That's 20, 18, 16 and 16 + ND for a more manageable 71.

(10-23-2022 11:01 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-23-2022 09:51 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I have another alternative idea for a P4

SEC and ACC

No change

Big Ten

Picks up Cal, Stanford, Washington and Oregon from PAC

Big 12

Picks up Arizona, Arizona State, Utah and Colorado from PAC

Picks up Memphis and Tulane from the AAC

Memphis and Tulane fills up a lot of the gap between Texas to Ohio to West Virginia to Florida but also gains a presence in a section of the South that has a quantity of recruits, especially Louisiana. Tulane is showing signs of becoming an average football program. Last Saturday's game was a sellout. While their stadium is small when the team is competitive people down there will show up to watch. Tulane and Memphis will also complement Houston in the Gulf area.

This move also makes it possible for the nBig 12 to go to 3 divisions of six:

Utah, Colorado, Texas Tech, BYU, Arizona, Arizona State

TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State

Houston, Tulane, West Virginia, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF


So 20, 18, 16 and 14 + ND, which comes out to 69. The major change is switching out WSU and OSU for Tulane and Memphis, which some would look unfavorably. Maybe nPAC could be a M1 conference, drawing in Boise, Fresno, San Diego, Las Vegas, DFW, adding either San Antonio or Hawaii.

SEC

I think the SEC may like to move to 18 anyway. We have 2 smaller needs which need to be met before options close out. We need a rival for Kentucky in hoops. Kansas fits the bill and helps finish out a 6-member new West in the SEC.

We need a second Florida school, preferably F.S.U. to dominate ratings and increase Florida ad revenue, but if that option is not possible then as crazy as it sounds, I would like to see us pick up South Florida. It still meets the needs of members wanting games in Florida and with SEC money they might jump up in competitiveness.

SEC West:
Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

SEC Central:
Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

SEC East:
Florida, Florida State/South Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee


ACC

If the ACC moved to 18 they could take Cincinnati and West Virginia, or Central Florida and West Virginia. If FSU moves to the SEC with Kansas, they take South Florida.

This leaves 3 openings in that Big 12 of 3 divisions.

People forget that Oregon State and Washington State are worth more than most of the G5's and would still make better additions.

ACC North:
Boston College, Pittsburgh, Miami, Syracuse, Virginia Tech, West Virginia

ACC Central:
Cincinnati, Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, N.C. State, Virginia

ACC South:
Clemson, Central Florida, Florida State/South Florida, Georgia Tech, *Notre Dame, Wake Forest

*Notre Dame plays their 5 games in this division. If they win it they are in the ACC playoffs.


Big 12

Try this on for size:
Big 12 North:
Fresno State, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State

Big 12 West:
Arizona, Arizona State, Brigham Young, Colorado, San Diego State, Texas Tech

Big 12 East:
Baylor, Houston, Memphis, Oklahoma State, Texas Christian, Tulane


Big 10

No Divisions but this is for a look at groupings:

West:
California, California Los Angeles, Oregon, Southern Cal, Stanford, Washington

Midwest:
Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin

Mideast:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

That's 74 schools Transic. It feels a bit much to me, but the additions of San Diego State and Fresno State help the West a bit more in representation.

Feel free to fire some thoughts.

Bolded text- absolutely. OR state a bit less maybe though, as it's further from a large metro. (Also I seem to remember reading about people complaining about the trip from the airport lol)

I wonder if FSU and/or their fans would cry seeing USF joining the SEC, before them...

I think all of the above is reasonably possible, except maybe Fresno. I started to read about them, when some started to suggest adding them to the PAC as a rival to SDSU. and saw various reasons (opinions) against.

And, moving Memphis to "Clemson/Memphis". You know, just in case : )

It doesn't really matter, but just re-arranging for fun - And adding Rice (AAU) and SMU (common shortlist pick)

Big 12
Big 12 West:
Washington State, Oregon State, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, San Diego State

Big 12 Central:
Brigham Young, Colorado, Iowa State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech

Big 12 South:
Baylor, Houston, Texas Christian, SMU, Rice, Tulane

What do you think?