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RE: Changes to downtown Dekalb, Lincoln Hwy
(08-25-2022 09:15 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  This is why f*cking around downtown won't fix the reason DeKalb is on the slide.

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ad-police/

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ng-police/

Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?
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(08-27-2022 12:54 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-25-2022 09:15 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  This is why f*cking around downtown won't fix the reason DeKalb is on the slide.

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ad-police/

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ng-police/

Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?

DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.
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RE: Changes to downtown Dekalb, Lincoln Hwy
(08-27-2022 10:31 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 12:54 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-25-2022 09:15 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  This is why f*cking around downtown won't fix the reason DeKalb is on the slide.

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ad-police/

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ng-police/

Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?

DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.

I've never met residents that didn't 1) b..i..t..c..h about poor infrastructure or 2) b..i..t..c..h about needing improvements in a particular area and then 3) b..i..t..c..h about the improvements or repairs while they are being made.
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RE: Changes to downtown Dekalb, Lincoln Hwy
(08-27-2022 10:31 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 12:54 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-25-2022 09:15 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  This is why f*cking around downtown won't fix the reason DeKalb is on the slide.

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ad-police/

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ng-police/

Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?

DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.

I’m a resident of DeKalb county and I am excited for the improvements to downtown. You can improve one portion of town while having other issues. The same 20 people on Facebook will complain and be loud no matter what DeKalb does.

Downtown is nice and traffic flow is fine. Put this project as a positive for DeKalb.
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RE: Changes to downtown Dekalb, Lincoln Hwy
(08-28-2022 07:18 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 10:31 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 12:54 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-25-2022 09:15 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  This is why f*cking around downtown won't fix the reason DeKalb is on the slide.

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ad-police/

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ng-police/

Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?

DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.

I’m a resident of DeKalb county and I am excited for the improvements to downtown. You can improve one portion of town while having other issues. The same 20 people on Facebook will complain and be loud no matter what DeKalb does.

Downtown is nice and traffic flow is fine. Put this project as a positive for DeKalb.
In general, it is true anyone a few people drive the conversation anymore on any topic and drive a personal narrative. The world we live in and frustrating as heck
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RE: Changes to downtown Dekalb, Lincoln Hwy
(08-27-2022 10:31 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 12:54 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-25-2022 09:15 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  This is why f*cking around downtown won't fix the reason DeKalb is on the slide.

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ad-police/

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ng-police/

Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?

DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.

Too be really honest, the major issue for the last 25 years has been the introduction and grow of way too much section 8 housing by greedy landlords and their cohorts like Eddie Williams. I am all for low income housing that is embedded into neighborhoods and spread out instead of turning huge apartment complexes into crime centers. This has total ruined the north side of DeKalb and Greek Row area. Hope some day DeKalb projects like clearing the cinema and strip mall can turn this around. Some of the area housing needs to be bulldozed next.
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RE: Changes to downtown Dekalb, Lincoln Hwy
(08-28-2022 09:05 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 10:31 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 12:54 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-25-2022 09:15 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  This is why f*cking around downtown won't fix the reason DeKalb is on the slide.

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ad-police/

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ng-police/

Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?

DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.

Too be really honest, the major issue for the last 25 years has been the introduction and grow of way too much section 8 housing by greedy landlords and their cohorts like Eddie Williams. I am all for low income housing that is embedded into neighborhoods and spread out instead of turning huge apartment complexes into crime centers. This has total ruined the north side of DeKalb and Greek Row area. Hope some day DeKalb projects like clearing the cinema and strip mall can turn this around. Some of the area housing needs to be bulldozed next.

DeKalb is taking steps towards this idea. However the same people who complain about downtown are complaining about what DeKalb is trying to do on the north side of town.
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Some people will complain their ice cream is cold.
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RE: Changes to downtown Dekalb, Lincoln Hwy
(08-28-2022 10:01 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 09:05 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 10:31 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 12:54 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-25-2022 09:15 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  This is why f*cking around downtown won't fix the reason DeKalb is on the slide.

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ad-police/

https://www.shawlocal.com/daily-chronicl...ng-police/

Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?

DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.

Too be really honest, the major issue for the last 25 years has been the introduction and grow of way too much section 8 housing by greedy landlords and their cohorts like Eddie Williams. I am all for low income housing that is embedded into neighborhoods and spread out instead of turning huge apartment complexes into crime centers. This has total ruined the north side of DeKalb and Greek Row area. Hope some day DeKalb projects like clearing the cinema and strip mall can turn this around. Some of the area housing needs to be bulldozed next.

DeKalb is taking steps towards this idea. However the same people who complain about downtown are complaining about what DeKalb is trying to do on the north side of town.

I won't complain about what they are doing to downtown. But it's not a tradeoff to what happened to the north part of campus. It's disgusting and if anyone doesn't think that it is, is a deterrent to living there, greek life and even attending NIU seeing it is so close to campus, student housing is in denial or hasn't been there is a while. It's great to give downtown appeal, get the town some business, money which in the end, helps NIU to some extent. But it has not been a focal point in decades and not clear how much this directly helps the university campus life, attendance as it does those already in the workplace.
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(08-28-2022 10:30 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 10:01 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 09:05 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 10:31 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 12:54 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  Honestly at this point gun violence isn’t a DeKalb problem, it is a society at large problem. While those two shootings are awful, it’s pretty much par for the course in America. Since Americans seem reluctant, indifferent or desensitized to gun violence, why make it a reason to not improve downtown?

DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.

Too be really honest, the major issue for the last 25 years has been the introduction and grow of way too much section 8 housing by greedy landlords and their cohorts like Eddie Williams. I am all for low income housing that is embedded into neighborhoods and spread out instead of turning huge apartment complexes into crime centers. This has total ruined the north side of DeKalb and Greek Row area. Hope some day DeKalb projects like clearing the cinema and strip mall can turn this around. Some of the area housing needs to be bulldozed next.

DeKalb is taking steps towards this idea. However the same people who complain about downtown are complaining about what DeKalb is trying to do on the north side of town.

I won't complain about what they are doing to downtown. But it's not a tradeoff to what happened to the north part of campus. It's disgusting and if anyone doesn't think that it is, is a deterrent to living there, greek life and even attending NIU seeing it is so close to campus, student housing is in denial or hasn't been there is a while. It's great to give downtown appeal, get the town some business, money which in the end, helps NIU to some extent. But it has not been a focal point in decades and not clear how much this directly helps the university campus life, attendance as it does those already in the workplace.

Some people will look at what DeKalb is doing and not doing and say something like "why are they doing downtown when they aren't doing anything about the north side"?

It's not like they can try to fix multiple things at the same time, while also having different, but realistic, timelines.

The problem I think many fail to recognize, fixing up downtown is easy. All it takes (relatively speaking) is money.

Fixing the issue on the north side of town is really hard (now that its entrenched). Yes...they allowed it to happen and for it (the issue) to grow roots. You don't just move people. You have to have some kind of realistic plan and people are always going to push back on any kind of plan that involves moving human beings from where they live nowadays. And that's a good thing but it also means the process is slow and often messy in that it takes multiple entities coming together and agreeing on something and...as we all know...there are people who are more than eager to take advantage of the situation and by fixing it...maybe they lose their power or influence or even income.

So, there's a lot at play.

Downtown: Easy fix
North Side/Greek Row: WAY MORE DIFFICULT
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(08-28-2022 12:53 PM)Big Red Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 10:30 AM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 10:01 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 09:05 AM)HuskieJ Wrote:  
(08-27-2022 10:31 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  DeKalb has many problems. The residents aren't excited about the work downtown and whether it is an improvement, considering the other infrastructure issues in town, plus crime increasing. Crime is a DeKalb problem, and it has worsened as the enrollment at NIU has decreased.

Too be really honest, the major issue for the last 25 years has been the introduction and grow of way too much section 8 housing by greedy landlords and their cohorts like Eddie Williams. I am all for low income housing that is embedded into neighborhoods and spread out instead of turning huge apartment complexes into crime centers. This has total ruined the north side of DeKalb and Greek Row area. Hope some day DeKalb projects like clearing the cinema and strip mall can turn this around. Some of the area housing needs to be bulldozed next.

DeKalb is taking steps towards this idea. However the same people who complain about downtown are complaining about what DeKalb is trying to do on the north side of town.

I won't complain about what they are doing to downtown. But it's not a tradeoff to what happened to the north part of campus. It's disgusting and if anyone doesn't think that it is, is a deterrent to living there, greek life and even attending NIU seeing it is so close to campus, student housing is in denial or hasn't been there is a while. It's great to give downtown appeal, get the town some business, money which in the end, helps NIU to some extent. But it has not been a focal point in decades and not clear how much this directly helps the university campus life, attendance as it does those already in the workplace.

Some people will look at what DeKalb is doing and not doing and say something like "why are they doing downtown when they aren't doing anything about the north side"?

It's not like they can try to fix multiple things at the same time, while also having different, but realistic, timelines.

The problem I think many fail to recognize, fixing up downtown is easy. All it takes (relatively speaking) is money.

Fixing the issue on the north side of town is really hard (now that its entrenched). Yes...they allowed it to happen and for it (the issue) to grow roots. You don't just move people. You have to have some kind of realistic plan and people are always going to push back on any kind of plan that involves moving human beings from where they live nowadays. And that's a good thing but it also means the process is slow and often messy in that it takes multiple entities coming together and agreeing on something and...as we all know...there are people who are more than eager to take advantage of the situation and by fixing it...maybe they lose their power or influence or even income.

So, there's a lot at play.

Downtown: Easy fix
North Side/Greek Row: WAY MORE DIFFICULT

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And you wonder why parents have a high crime perception of NIU and DeKalb.
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(08-28-2022 09:46 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  And you wonder why parents have a high crime perception of NIU and DeKalb.
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Yes, it’s bad. There have even been shootings in Champaign. It has become an epidemic in this country.
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(08-28-2022 09:49 PM)Dog Fan Wrote:  
(08-28-2022 09:46 PM)NIU75 Wrote:  And you wonder why parents have a high crime perception of NIU and DeKalb.
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Yes, it’s bad. There have even been shootings in Champaign. It has become an epidemic in this country.

Champaign campus town has gone through many changes. It went through a time about 10-15 years ago where businesses we shutting down along Green. Now they have tower hotels, housing and filled store fronts all along it. They have lots of new, nigh priced housing everywhere nearby. Their campus town is the place as it is center between housing, nightlife and campus.

At the same time, maybe a little earlier, they totally revised the old buildings downtown. Tons of businesses, a hotel, restaurants which truth be told some come and go which is an issue with relying on "microbrews" and "coffee shops." But it became a center for upperclassmen and adults living and visiting.


The 2 campuses are nothing alike. VCB mall is a shell of what it was. Can't even support a bookstore. Lincoln West of Annie Glidden has a few food places, had a run down hotel and a large vacant building now. East of Annie Glidden has some food places and other stuff, but in reality AG is not the center of campus. When I attended I never went into that area. If you lived to the north, which I did and where new apartments west of AG are off Hillcrest you are in the middle of nowhere as far as nightlife, stores and near the crap to the east.

Downtown DeKalb has seen it's days, but I give them credit for making it better than it was from 90's on with the shutdowns of Ottos, McCabes, etc.. And as much as I liked Stanley's post college, the police tape for decades preventing one from going upstairs is a microcosm of DeKalb.

DeKalb spread the the east, north. They built up that area for families, permanent resident. I was in Sycamore and saw students at a cool old bar saying how they hated DeKalb nightlife. In CU the outskirts of town, to north of dtown Champaign , which they have rehabbed a little. Area off 74 is still a hell hole surrounded by strip malls and crappy hotels. NIU used to be crappy area N of dtown, not sure if it still is. But now the crap is just off campus, near student housing. That's what sets other schools apart when it comes to crime and business.

Most larger schools is areas of 75-100k+ that have the setup of thriving campus town and a separate downtown that thrives, They likely have an outer belt with strip malls to serve residents. DeKalb did an a great job with that.But DeKalb is too small, not enough students it would seem to support a campus town and downtown, which is kinda far from campus. But these other towns also have the crime, low income areas, like it or not, segregated from campus. Some towns went out of their way to do that. In DeKalb, they let it happen where the students are. As Big Red said, hard to clean it up so put the money dtown. DeKalb is facing issues any area deals with upon growth. Always going to be in increase in crime. Just that it seems to be not home grown as other areas are and not that close to campus. And a school with growth, town with money would (or should, seeing DeKalb has to have a lot of real estate and sales tax coming in) do is takeover those areas, which DeKalb is doing with some business areas at least, and reinvest and as mentioned, take steps to not have this occur again.
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(08-28-2022 07:18 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  I’m a resident of DeKalb county and I am excited for the improvements to downtown. You can improve one portion of town while having other issues. The same 20 people on Facebook will complain and be loud no matter what DeKalb does.

Downtown is nice and traffic flow is fine. Put this project as a positive for DeKalb.

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