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RE: Details about Memphis stadium study
(06-06-2022 12:16 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  
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(06-03-2022 11:13 AM)Stammers Wrote:  I highly doubt that it would be a one time donation. I would assume that it could be spread out over many years the same way that the seat donation for basketball is paid out annually.

I was just giving a number for perspective, In order to pay for a new project you can ONLY USE NEW REVENUE - so these donations will have to come on top of any present day donations and revenue sources.

I was also using a absolute best case scenario for number of season tickets, and several fans have noted that $1,500 per ticket sounded steep---

The reality is - We don't have enough paying fans to generate $200,000,000 for a renovation -- we sure don't have anough for a $400,000,000+ new stadium.... People complaing and asking for an investigation are just flapping their gums and hurting the program (not much but a little)

We need all the support we can get and being excited about what we DO HAVE is a helluva lot better than complaining about what we don't have.

Well, I think you're wrong. I don't live in Memphis anymore. I won't be buying season tickets or a seat license. I won't be making a contribution.

If it was an OCS, I would be buying two season tickets and two seat licenses to give to my son who still lives in town. I think there are probably double the number of normal contributors that would step up for an OCS that have no interest in any other project the university will ever do. That money remains untapped and will forever.

There is a big chunk of alums out here that would do things for an OCS we won't do for anything else. I wonder if that was in the study?

Exactly! I've already communicated I'm withholding my TSF giving until I know who's managing the construction, operations & the revenue split from game day revenues, parking & concessions. I just can't understand our university raising & giving the city $200M for a city owned & managed stadium. - especially when a new OCS stadium could be built for near same funds.

new stadium build is $400M. Get your facts straight.

You're just buying the numbers quoted. Check Birmingham's New stadium cost, UH's stadium....
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(06-03-2022 07:52 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  In what was labeled “Scenario 3: Low funding potential,” the University of Memphis was determined to have an estimated funding capacity of just over $201 million, broken down into five categories:

Donor recognition opportunities: $22.505 million.

Naming rights: $25 million.

Founders suites: $15 million.

Capital seat gifts: $30.715 million.

Incremental annual stadium revenue (25-year bonds, 3.0% interest rate, 2.0 coverage): $108.223 million.

How are those naming rights going to work - with the city already selling to Simmons Bank and keeping all the money?

The naming rights listed above were the estimated naming rights for a new OCS.

Ah, I gave up on the article and missed that.
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RE: Details about Memphis stadium study
(06-06-2022 03:29 PM)3601 Wrote:  
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(06-03-2022 10:14 AM)griffin Wrote:  
(06-03-2022 10:03 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  Scenario 1: stadium $307 million
+$17.5 million for seismic cost.
+site work $18.2 million
+Enabling cost $2.1 million
+"soft cost” of $98.2 million.
$444,000,0000 was the scenario 1

"This model included the need for a major lead gift estimated to net $104.8 million"




Do y'all remember when a respected poster came on this board and said that the school had sked two big boosters for $50,000,000 each?

Sounds like the answer was no, and the poster was spot on

(06-03-2022 10:10 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  btw:
IF there are 20,000 current season tickets sold for the 2022 Season (which I think is wildly opimistic) "Capital seat gifts" would be an AVERAGE of $1,500 per season ticket to be donated/.

So if you have 4 season tickets the University's "cheap" plan is assuming you will make a one time donation of $6,000 - on average

We have averaged minus the covid year only about 15K each and every season since Fuente's last season. Even with the New Year's Day game, we did not increase our season ticket sales incrementally.

So, hopefully we can increase enough to get to 20K.

BTW we sold more season tickets Rip Schear's first year (21K) than we sell now. I believe it is a sign of the times in comparing that time frame to now.

Rip Roaring Football.

The guy played a brutal schedule.

In ‘96, the played UT, Miami, Mississippi State & Missouri… plus an “American” schedule.

In ‘95 it was Michigan, Mississippi State, Arkansas & Ole Miss

1997 Michigan State, Minnesota & Mississippi State

1998 Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Arkansas & Minnesota

1999 Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Tennessee

Had Rip been gifted a Tommy West schedule…

Rip also went 11-19 in C-USA.

I personally liked the guy, but was disappointed he didn't leverage the UTK win one single bit.
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(06-06-2022 04:21 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
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(06-03-2022 10:14 AM)griffin Wrote:  We have averaged minus the covid year only about 15K each and every season since Fuente's last season. Even with the New Year's Day game, we did not increase our season ticket sales incrementally.

So, hopefully we can increase enough to get to 20K.

BTW we sold more season tickets Rip Schear's first year (21K) than we sell now. I believe it is a sign of the times in comparing that time frame to now.

Rip Roaring Football.

The guy played a brutal schedule.

In ‘96, the played UT, Miami, Mississippi State & Missouri… plus an “American” schedule.

In ‘95 it was Michigan, Mississippi State, Arkansas & Ole Miss

1997 Michigan State, Minnesota & Mississippi State

1998 Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Arkansas & Minnesota

1999 Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Tennessee

Had Rip been gifted a Tommy West schedule…

Rip also went 11-19 in C-USA.

I personally liked the guy, but was disappointed he didn't leverage the UTK win one single bit.

His brand of football was never gonna be successful. The UT win was b/c of Keith Butler’s defensive gameplan. Even if he gave Jim Pletcher credit.
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Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

West didn't "get" Gostkowski. He was a scholarship baseball player, a pitcher, who walked on the football team.
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

Tommy benefited greatly from playing a much softer schedule.
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

West didn't "get" Gostkowski. He was a scholarship baseball player, a pitcher, who walked on the football team.

yep, the coaches saw he 'had it' and the rest is history...that's getting a player...it's why I didn't say recruited.

he did well with Rip's recruits.
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

Tommy benefited greatly from playing a much softer schedule.

he managed to beat Mississippi twice along with Louisville and Cincy but yeah he liked to schedule teams he could compete with...he had UT on the ropes but couldn't finish em off.
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(06-06-2022 08:49 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

West didn't "get" Gostkowski. He was a scholarship baseball player, a pitcher, who walked on the football team.


Interesting….I didn’t know that.

Rip football was 3 handoffs up the middle.


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(06-06-2022 09:13 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

Tommy benefited greatly from playing a much softer schedule.

And that was fine. He had good years, attendance rose, and we got some national recognition. And we broke the bowl drought. He just, again, couldn't build on it.

Too much obsession on who we play around here. Why does it really matter? I mean, I'd love an upgraded conference. And I enjoy a national non-con game as much as the next guy. But I certainly don't measure the worth of the football team based upon who we play non-con.
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(06-06-2022 08:09 PM)BERT56 Wrote:  
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(06-06-2022 02:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(06-06-2022 02:35 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Rip Roaring Football.

The guy played a brutal schedule.

In ‘96, the played UT, Miami, Mississippi State & Missouri… plus an “American” schedule.

In ‘95 it was Michigan, Mississippi State, Arkansas & Ole Miss

1997 Michigan State, Minnesota & Mississippi State

1998 Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Arkansas & Minnesota

1999 Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Tennessee

Had Rip been gifted a Tommy West schedule…

Rip also went 11-19 in C-USA.

I personally liked the guy, but was disappointed he didn't leverage the UTK win one single bit.

His brand of football was never gonna be successful. The UT win was b/c of Keith Butler’s defensive gameplan. Even if he gave Jim Pletcher credit.

Rip Roarin' Football?!
Agree. We needed the same creativity we showed on D, on Spec Teams and Offense. He never got the players on O (line depth) that we needed to play his style.
I have similar feelings about Silverfield. I hope he proves me wrong this year.
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

West didn't "get" Gostkowski. He was a scholarship baseball player, a pitcher, who walked on the football team.

yep, the coaches saw he 'had it' and the rest is history...that's getting a player...it's why I didn't say recruited.

he did well with Rip's recruits.

Rip benefitted from some really good Stobart guys. Richie Floyd, Ron Sells, Chris Powers, Tony Williams, Richard Hogans, Marvin Thomas, Marqus Bowling (walkon)Tim Hart, Mike McKenzie,, Keith Spann, Bryan Barnett, Jerome Woods and others.
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Gonna be a long summer
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(06-06-2022 03:33 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(06-05-2022 08:38 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  
(06-03-2022 04:20 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(06-03-2022 03:37 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  I was just giving a number for perspective, In order to pay for a new project you can ONLY USE NEW REVENUE - so these donations will have to come on top of any present day donations and revenue sources.

I was also using a absolute best case scenario for number of season tickets, and several fans have noted that $1,500 per ticket sounded steep---

The reality is - We don't have enough paying fans to generate $200,000,000 for a renovation -- we sure don't have anough for a $400,000,000+ new stadium.... People complaing and asking for an investigation are just flapping their gums and hurting the program (not much but a little)

We need all the support we can get and being excited about what we DO HAVE is a helluva lot better than complaining about what we don't have.

Well, I think you're wrong. I don't live in Memphis anymore. I won't be buying season tickets or a seat license. I won't be making a contribution.

If it was an OCS, I would be buying two season tickets and two seat licenses to give to my son who still lives in town. I think there are probably double the number of normal contributors that would step up for an OCS that have no interest in any other project the university will ever do. That money remains untapped and will forever.

There is a big chunk of alums out here that would do things for an OCS we won't do for anything else. I wonder if that was in the study?

Exactly! I've already communicated I'm withholding my TSF giving until I know who's managing the construction, operations & the revenue split from game day revenues, parking & concessions. I just can't understand our university raising & giving the city $200M for a city owned & managed stadium. - especially when a new OCS stadium could be built for near same funds.

new stadium build is $400M. Get your facts straight.

You're just buying the numbers quoted. Check Birmingham's New stadium cost, UH's stadium....

You're quoting pricing prior to material increase and pandemic. Just about everything has doubled since 2019.
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

Tommy benefited greatly from playing a much softer schedule.

And that was fine. He had good years, attendance rose, and we got some national recognition. And we broke the bowl drought. He just, again, couldn't build on it.

Too much obsession on who we play around here. Why does it really matter? I mean, I'd love an upgraded conference. And I enjoy a national non-con game as much as the next guy. But I certainly don't measure the worth of the football team based upon who we play non-con.

I just say compare apples to apples… Tommy broke the bowl drought, but he did it by playing a much easier schedule than Rip was required to play. I have had season tickets since Stobart, so I’ve been there regardless of the non-conference schedule, but I think Rip gets beat up & Tommy praised when Tommy would have struggled too with Rip’s schedules.
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(06-07-2022 10:23 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

Tommy benefited greatly from playing a much softer schedule.

And that was fine. He had good years, attendance rose, and we got some national recognition. And we broke the bowl drought. He just, again, couldn't build on it.

Too much obsession on who we play around here. Why does it really matter? I mean, I'd love an upgraded conference. And I enjoy a national non-con game as much as the next guy. But I certainly don't measure the worth of the football team based upon who we play non-con.

I just say compare apples to apples… Tommy broke the bowl drought, but he did it by playing a much easier schedule than Rip was required to play. I have had season tickets since Stobart, so I’ve been there regardless of the non-conference schedule, but I think Rip gets beat up & Tommy praised when Tommy would have struggled too with Rip’s schedules.

You might be right about that. The thing that irritated me about the Rip era was the way both Rip and the media of the day would evaluate things. We have lost 4 games by a total 7 points or some such fact - which were true. It just became excuses after a while.
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

Tommy benefited greatly from playing a much softer schedule.

And that was fine. He had good years, attendance rose, and we got some national recognition. And we broke the bowl drought. He just, again, couldn't build on it.

Too much obsession on who we play around here. Why does it really matter? I mean, I'd love an upgraded conference. And I enjoy a national non-con game as much as the next guy. But I certainly don't measure the worth of the football team based upon who we play non-con.

I just say compare apples to apples… Tommy broke the bowl drought, but he did it by playing a much easier schedule than Rip was required to play. I have had season tickets since Stobart, so I’ve been there regardless of the non-conference schedule, but I think Rip gets beat up & Tommy praised when Tommy would have struggled too with Rip’s schedules.

You might be right about that. The thing that irritated me about the Rip era was the way both Rip and the media of the day would evaluate things. We have lost 4 games by a total 7 points or some such fact - which were true. It just became excuses after a while.

Rip was awful. Period. He was too busy wanting to be AD.
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(06-06-2022 08:23 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Rip's style was SO boring to watch. Killer D coupled with 3 runs and a punt offense...ugh!

Tommy West was a breath of fresh air following Rip...Tommy was able to capitalize on Rip's recruiting plus managed to get DeAngelo and Gostkowski. If not for a 4th and 27 gut punch he would have had 6 bowl games while at Memphis.

Tommy benefited greatly from playing a much softer schedule.

And that was fine. He had good years, attendance rose, and we got some national recognition. And we broke the bowl drought. He just, again, couldn't build on it.

Too much obsession on who we play around here. Why does it really matter? I mean, I'd love an upgraded conference. And I enjoy a national non-con game as much as the next guy. But I certainly don't measure the worth of the football team based upon who we play non-con.

I just say compare apples to apples… Tommy broke the bowl drought, but he did it by playing a much easier schedule than Rip was required to play. I have had season tickets since Stobart, so I’ve been there regardless of the non-conference schedule, but I think Rip gets beat up & Tommy praised when Tommy would have struggled too with Rip’s schedules.

You might be right about that. The thing that irritated me about the Rip era was the way both Rip and the media of the day would evaluate things. We have lost 4 games by a total 7 points or some such fact - which were true. It just became excuses after a while.

Rip would be close to tears in postgame press conferences… it did get irritating. His margin for error was minimal given his style of play & the schedule. He believed in keeping the game close with his defense & then trying to make a play in the 4th to win & we just didn’t make enough plays. He had 2 painful losses to UT that he easily could have won… he just wasn’t willing to roll the dice. The 17-16 loss in Knoxville was a game the team deserved to win. UT fans actually cheered for that Tiger team as the left the field. I feel for Rip because he cared so much & he did develop some talent on the defensive side of the ball.
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(06-06-2022 09:13 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Tommy benefited greatly from playing a much softer schedule.

And that was fine. He had good years, attendance rose, and we got some national recognition. And we broke the bowl drought. He just, again, couldn't build on it.

Too much obsession on who we play around here. Why does it really matter? I mean, I'd love an upgraded conference. And I enjoy a national non-con game as much as the next guy. But I certainly don't measure the worth of the football team based upon who we play non-con.

I just say compare apples to apples… Tommy broke the bowl drought, but he did it by playing a much easier schedule than Rip was required to play. I have had season tickets since Stobart, so I’ve been there regardless of the non-conference schedule, but I think Rip gets beat up & Tommy praised when Tommy would have struggled too with Rip’s schedules.

You might be right about that. The thing that irritated me about the Rip era was the way both Rip and the media of the day would evaluate things. We have lost 4 games by a total 7 points or some such fact - which were true. It just became excuses after a while.

Rip would be close to tears in postgame press conferences… it did get irritating. His margin for error was minimal given his style of play & the schedule. He believed in keeping the game close with his defense & then trying to make a play in the 4th to win & we just didn’t make enough plays. He had 2 painful losses to UT that he easily could have won… he just wasn’t willing to roll the dice. The 17-16 loss in Knoxville was a game the team deserved to win. UT fans actually cheered for that Tiger team as the left the field. I feel for Rip because he cared so much & he did develop some talent on the defensive side of the ball.

Rip didn't develop any defensive talent. Keith Butler, Vic Koening and Wayne Weedon did. And when they left Tim Walton and Tommy did.
06-07-2022 10:53 AM
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