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The SEC has some decisions to make
Article from Saturday Down South

I think there's some interesting points and quotes here.

Some of the division realignment talk is a little superficial, but you get where he's going.

Quote:“We’ve moved way past the ‘everything is on the table’ point,” an SEC athletic director told me. “There will be hard, real discussions.”

Or as one industry source told me: “We’re a lot closer than you think to monumental change. And I don’t use that word lightly.”
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Who wrote this?

>Those who want divisions see a simple move of Texas and Oklahoma to the West Division, and 1 current West team to the East. More than likely, that means Alabama.

That leaves the conference with 4 blue-blood programs on each side:

East: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M.
>

They never heard of AUBURN?

And I would think it would be obvious that Missouri would move to the West and Auburn would join Alabama in the East. Auburn's more of a power program lately than Tennessee is, they won a national championship in 2010 and have beaten Alabama four times in the 2010's. Tennessee hasn't beaten Alabama since 2006. Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee.
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(05-31-2022 05:47 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Who wrote this?

>Those who want divisions see a simple move of Texas and Oklahoma to the West Division, and 1 current West team to the East. More than likely, that means Alabama.

That leaves the conference with 4 blue-blood programs on each side:

East: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M.
>

They never heard of AUBURN?

And I would think it would be obvious that Missouri would move to the West and Auburn would join Alabama in the East. Auburn's more of a power program lately than Tennessee is, they won a national championship in 2010 and have beaten Alabama four times in the 2010's. Tennessee hasn't beaten Alabama since 2006. Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee.

That's your takeaway from this article? How about the 800 pound gorilla?

If the SEC does not participate in a CFP that includes the other power conferences there is no more national champion except the unofficial ones chosen by the polls. How long do you think that condition will last?

When the AFL succeeded in breaking the NFL's monopoly in pro football, the public wouldn't tolerate having two champions, and the Super Bowl was born. How long before there is an attempt to create a college super bowl if the SEC breaks away from the CFP? Who is their AFL then? Is it the B1G? The so called Alliance?

Buckle your seatbelts.
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(05-31-2022 05:47 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Who wrote this?

>Those who want divisions see a simple move of Texas and Oklahoma to the West Division, and 1 current West team to the East. More than likely, that means Alabama.

That leaves the conference with 4 blue-blood programs on each side:

East: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M.
>

They never heard of AUBURN?

And I would think it would be obvious that Missouri would move to the West and Auburn would join Alabama in the East. Auburn's more of a power program lately than Tennessee is, they won a national championship in 2010 and have beaten Alabama four times in the 2010's. Tennessee hasn't beaten Alabama since 2006. Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee.

Saturday Down South is written by a couple of Big 10 guys. They've usually gotten the facts right but the whiff on their interpretation of them, like now.

If the SEC opts for a breakaway, pay for play before mandated, and establishes a separate entity structurally and fiscally from the NCAA, this could create a work around for GORs. Moving from quasi amateurism to the new for profit model creates an entirely different system legally.

As to those thinking the SEC going it without the B1G would impact them more than an alliance which cannot lay claim but to a few championships in the last 25 years and which has declining popularity for football in their regions, I'd say the miscalculation is on their part. You don't catch up in public perception when you don't play the ones on top. The miscalculation is Warren's. Penn State and Ohio State won't toss in the towel and would always be welcomed. Perhaps Nebraska and Iowa as well. And Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and possibly Miami would also re-position.

A gamble? Not much of one for the SEC. A whopper for the B1G! The PAC 12 like the SEC is so regional they'll ride out whatever. The ACC is owned by ESPN until well past the relevance of what they do. But the B1G walked up to the abyss divided over COVID. Pursuing this path could bring a split.
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Saturday Down South, part of Saturday Football, Inc., was founded in 2010 by John Cooper, a grad of UCF and Kevin Duffey, a Florida alum. The company was recently sold (in 2021) to XLMedia. This article was written by Matt Hayes, another Florida grad.

It's not clear that breaking away from the NCAA (and I'm not sure the SEC is fully contemplating that) and adapting to externally mandated changes in athlete compensation would nullify GoRs. That is an issue that lawyers will be salivating over for years, as any effort to make that claim would be in court for years to come.

For now, the SEC doesn't need for any of those things to happen to further tilt the playing field in their favor. All they need to do is declare that they will not be signing on to the CFP when the current contract expires and wait to see how everybody else reacts to that.

I, for one, would not bet that the hastily concocted alliance among the B1G, PAC and ACC would hold together in opposition. To date, it has amounted to virtually no change, and it was based exclusively on opposition to a 12 team playoff. That's not the only issue conferences and schools are concerned about, and if I had to guess the ACC at least would switch sides because they have little to gain and a lot to lose if their relationship with ESPN and the SEC goes south. Now that they have had time to think about it, I believe they will realize this.

I am more certain than ever that whatever postseason structure emerges the G5 conferences will no longer have a guaranteed seat at the table. I could see us eventually arriving at a college superbowl of sorts in two steps.

The first would be an alliance among the SEC, Big 12, ACC and Notre Dame in which there is an 8 team playoff consisting of the three conference champions and five at large teams determined by their Massey Composite rank. The B1G and PAC would likely stick together and have their own playoff. Whether they would play against the SEC alliance in the regular season is both questionable and unnecessary.

Eventually and inevitably those two champions would meet to crown a national champion.

The only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the SEC is in the driver's seat. They are the only ones who can make everybody else react to them.
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(05-31-2022 09:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  Saturday Down South, part of Saturday Football, Inc., was founded in 2010 by John Cooper, a grad of UCF and Kevin Duffey, a Florida alum. The company was recently sold (in 2021) to XLMedia. This article was written by Matt Hayes, another Florida grad.

It's not clear that breaking away from the NCAA (and I'm not sure the SEC is fully contemplating that) and adapting to externally mandated changes in athlete compensation would nullify GoRs. That is an issue that lawyers will be salivating over for years, as any effort to make that claim would be in court for years to come.

For now, the SEC doesn't need for any of those things to happen to further tilt the playing field in their favor. All they need to do is declare that they will not be signing on to the CFP when the current contract expires and wait to see how everybody else reacts to that.

I, for one, would not bet that the hastily concocted alliance among the B1G, PAC and ACC would hold together in opposition. To date, it has amounted to virtually no change, and it was based exclusively on opposition to a 12 team playoff. That's not the only issue conferences and schools are concerned about, and if I had to guess the ACC at least would switch sides because they have little to gain and a lot to lose if their relationship with ESPN and the SEC goes south. Now that they have had time to think about it, I believe they will realize this.

I am more certain than ever that whatever postseason structure emerges the G5 conferences will no longer have a guaranteed seat at the table. I could see us eventually arriving at a college superbowl of sorts in two steps.

The first would be an alliance among the SEC, Big 12, ACC and Notre Dame in which there is an 8 team playoff consisting of the three conference champions and five at large teams determined by their Massey Composite rank. The B1G and PAC would likely stick together and have their own playoff. Whether they would play against the SEC alliance in the regular season is both questionable and unnecessary.

Eventually and inevitably those two champions would meet to crown a national champion.

The only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the SEC is in the driver's seat. They are the only ones who can make everybody else react to them.

Misinformation/Disinformation is rampant in our society.
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(05-31-2022 09:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  Saturday Down South, part of Saturday Football, Inc., was founded in 2010 by John Cooper, a grad of UCF and Kevin Duffey, a Florida alum. The company was recently sold (in 2021) to XLMedia. This article was written by Matt Hayes, another Florida grad.

It's not clear that breaking away from the NCAA (and I'm not sure the SEC is fully contemplating that) and adapting to externally mandated changes in athlete compensation would nullify GoRs. That is an issue that lawyers will be salivating over for years, as any effort to make that claim would be in court for years to come.

For now, the SEC doesn't need for any of those things to happen to further tilt the playing field in their favor. All they need to do is declare that they will not be signing on to the CFP when the current contract expires and wait to see how everybody else reacts to that.

I, for one, would not bet that the hastily concocted alliance among the B1G, PAC and ACC would hold together in opposition. To date, it has amounted to virtually no change, and it was based exclusively on opposition to a 12 team playoff. That's not the only issue conferences and schools are concerned about, and if I had to guess the ACC at least would switch sides because they have little to gain and a lot to lose if their relationship with ESPN and the SEC goes south. Now that they have had time to think about it, I believe they will realize this.

I am more certain than ever that whatever postseason structure emerges the G5 conferences will no longer have a guaranteed seat at the table. I could see us eventually arriving at a college superbowl of sorts in two steps.

The first would be an alliance among the SEC, Big 12, ACC and Notre Dame in which there is an 8 team playoff consisting of the three conference champions and five at large teams determined by their Massey Composite rank. The B1G and PAC would likely stick together and have their own playoff. Whether they would play against the SEC alliance in the regular season is both questionable and unnecessary.

Eventually and inevitably those two champions would meet to crown a national champion.

The only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the SEC is in the driver's seat. They are the only ones who can make everybody else react to them.

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He's the one most often cited. Chuck is a Fla grad. When XL bought it out the tone and flavor changed and it's turning more corporate and less local. And it's the new crew covering this!
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(05-31-2022 09:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  The only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the SEC is in the driver's seat. They are the only ones who can make everybody else react to them.

On the other hand, there are currently five autonomous conferences, one of them just got their lunch money stolen by the SEC, and the other three formed an "Alliance" and successfully stopped the last Playoff expansion. The SEC may have the most power but I'm sure the other conferences aren't going to just sit around and let them take over college football and college athletics without a fight.
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(05-31-2022 02:21 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 09:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  The only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the SEC is in the driver's seat. They are the only ones who can make everybody else react to them.

On the other hand, there are currently five autonomous conferences, one of them just got their lunch money stolen by the SEC, and the other three formed an "Alliance" and successfully stopped the last Playoff expansion. The SEC may have the most power but I'm sure the other conferences aren't going to just sit around and let them take over college football and college athletics without a fight.

It's not going to be a fight. It is a divergence. We will simply head different ways and the best way will eventually absorb those on the less successful path. Natural selection at work.
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Even the Arkansas athletic director said that having a separate championship was not good for college football, then he had to walk it back a bit, to say that Sankey was a "visionary", and if he thinks it's a good idea then ....it must be.

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(05-31-2022 06:31 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 05:47 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Who wrote this?

>Those who want divisions see a simple move of Texas and Oklahoma to the West Division, and 1 current West team to the East. More than likely, that means Alabama.

That leaves the conference with 4 blue-blood programs on each side:

East: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M.
>

They never heard of AUBURN?

And I would think it would be obvious that Missouri would move to the West and Auburn would join Alabama in the East. Auburn's more of a power program lately than Tennessee is, they won a national championship in 2010 and have beaten Alabama four times in the 2010's. Tennessee hasn't beaten Alabama since 2006. Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee.

That's your takeaway from this article? How about the 800 pound gorilla?

If the SEC does not participate in a CFP that includes the other power conferences there is no more national champion except the unofficial ones chosen by the polls. How long do you think that condition will last?

When the AFL succeeded in breaking the NFL's monopoly in pro football, the public wouldn't tolerate having two champions, and the Super Bowl was born. How long before there is an attempt to create a college super bowl if the SEC breaks away from the CFP? Who is their AFL then? Is it the B1G? The so called Alliance?

Buckle your seatbelts.
Nah. Nobody considered the AFL the NFL's equal. The Super Bowl was an afterthought to the NFL champ until the Jets upset the Colts. It was about the two sides trying to end the bidding war for players. Now maybe there becomes a parallel in college football.
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(05-31-2022 07:11 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 05:47 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Who wrote this?

>Those who want divisions see a simple move of Texas and Oklahoma to the West Division, and 1 current West team to the East. More than likely, that means Alabama.

That leaves the conference with 4 blue-blood programs on each side:

East: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M.
>

They never heard of AUBURN?

And I would think it would be obvious that Missouri would move to the West and Auburn would join Alabama in the East. Auburn's more of a power program lately than Tennessee is, they won a national championship in 2010 and have beaten Alabama four times in the 2010's. Tennessee hasn't beaten Alabama since 2006. Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee.

Saturday Down South is written by a couple of Big 10 guys. They've usually gotten the facts right but the whiff on their interpretation of them, like now.

If the SEC opts for a breakaway, pay for play before mandated, and establishes a separate entity structurally and fiscally from the NCAA, this could create a work around for GORs. Moving from quasi amateurism to the new for profit model creates an entirely different system legally.

As to those thinking the SEC going it without the B1G would impact them more than an alliance which cannot lay claim but to a few championships in the last 25 years and which has declining popularity for football in their regions, I'd say the miscalculation is on their part. You don't catch up in public perception when you don't play the ones on top. The miscalculation is Warren's. Penn State and Ohio State won't toss in the towel and would always be welcomed. Perhaps Nebraska and Iowa as well. And Clemson, FSU, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and possibly Miami would also re-position.

A gamble? Not much of one for the SEC. A whopper for the B1G! The PAC 12 like the SEC is so regional they'll ride out whatever. The ACC is owned by ESPN until well past the relevance of what they do. But the B1G walked up to the abyss divided over COVID. Pursuing this path could bring a split.

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(05-31-2022 03:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 02:21 PM)schmolik Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 09:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  The only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the SEC is in the driver's seat. They are the only ones who can make everybody else react to them.

On the other hand, there are currently five autonomous conferences, one of them just got their lunch money stolen by the SEC, and the other three formed an "Alliance" and successfully stopped the last Playoff expansion. The SEC may have the most power but I'm sure the other conferences aren't going to just sit around and let them take over college football and college athletics without a fight.

It's not going to be a fight. It is a divergence. We will simply head different ways and the best way will eventually absorb those on the less successful path. Natural selection at work.

I say it would be more like a “breakaway” from the NCAA model. If this actually happens, we will see a lot of finger pointing.
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(05-31-2022 11:25 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 09:27 AM)ken d Wrote:  Saturday Down South, part of Saturday Football, Inc., was founded in 2010 by John Cooper, a grad of UCF and Kevin Duffey, a Florida alum. The company was recently sold (in 2021) to XLMedia. This article was written by Matt Hayes, another Florida grad.

It's not clear that breaking away from the NCAA (and I'm not sure the SEC is fully contemplating that) and adapting to externally mandated changes in athlete compensation would nullify GoRs. That is an issue that lawyers will be salivating over for years, as any effort to make that claim would be in court for years to come.

For now, the SEC doesn't need for any of those things to happen to further tilt the playing field in their favor. All they need to do is declare that they will not be signing on to the CFP when the current contract expires and wait to see how everybody else reacts to that.

I, for one, would not bet that the hastily concocted alliance among the B1G, PAC and ACC would hold together in opposition. To date, it has amounted to virtually no change, and it was based exclusively on opposition to a 12 team playoff. That's not the only issue conferences and schools are concerned about, and if I had to guess the ACC at least would switch sides because they have little to gain and a lot to lose if their relationship with ESPN and the SEC goes south. Now that they have had time to think about it, I believe they will realize this.

I am more certain than ever that whatever postseason structure emerges the G5 conferences will no longer have a guaranteed seat at the table. I could see us eventually arriving at a college superbowl of sorts in two steps.

The first would be an alliance among the SEC, Big 12, ACC and Notre Dame in which there is an 8 team playoff consisting of the three conference champions and five at large teams determined by their Massey Composite rank. The B1G and PAC would likely stick together and have their own playoff. Whether they would play against the SEC alliance in the regular season is both questionable and unnecessary.

Eventually and inevitably those two champions would meet to crown a national champion.

The only thing that is absolutely clear to me is that the SEC is in the driver's seat. They are the only ones who can make everybody else react to them.

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(05-31-2022 04:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 06:31 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 05:47 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Who wrote this?

>Those who want divisions see a simple move of Texas and Oklahoma to the West Division, and 1 current West team to the East. More than likely, that means Alabama.

That leaves the conference with 4 blue-blood programs on each side:

East: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M.
>

They never heard of AUBURN?

And I would think it would be obvious that Missouri would move to the West and Auburn would join Alabama in the East. Auburn's more of a power program lately than Tennessee is, they won a national championship in 2010 and have beaten Alabama four times in the 2010's. Tennessee hasn't beaten Alabama since 2006. Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee.

That's your takeaway from this article? How about the 800 pound gorilla?

If the SEC does not participate in a CFP that includes the other power conferences there is no more national champion except the unofficial ones chosen by the polls. How long do you think that condition will last?

When the AFL succeeded in breaking the NFL's monopoly in pro football, the public wouldn't tolerate having two champions, and the Super Bowl was born. How long before there is an attempt to create a college super bowl if the SEC breaks away from the CFP? Who is their AFL then? Is it the B1G? The so called Alliance?

Buckle your seatbelts.
Nah. Nobody considered the AFL the NFL's equal. The Super Bowl was an afterthought to the NFL champ until the Jets upset the Colts. It was about the two sides trying to end the bidding war for players. Now maybe there becomes a parallel in college football.

The AFL didn't have to be the NFL's equal. They just had to be successful, and therefore a threat. Right now, I don't believe the B1G is the SEC's equal. But they aren't going away. Eventually, they will wind up working together because that's in both their interests.

And anyone can see that each conference has what some would call "deadweight". But all those schools contribute to the success of the whole precisely by being less successful on the field in football and/or basketball. Without them to absorb losses in conference play the stars won't have the gaudy records that attract eyeballs. Even the NFL needs teams like the Lions and Browns that in the long run lose more than they win.
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(06-01-2022 06:50 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 04:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 06:31 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 05:47 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Who wrote this?

>Those who want divisions see a simple move of Texas and Oklahoma to the West Division, and 1 current West team to the East. More than likely, that means Alabama.

That leaves the conference with 4 blue-blood programs on each side:

East: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M.
>

They never heard of AUBURN?

And I would think it would be obvious that Missouri would move to the West and Auburn would join Alabama in the East. Auburn's more of a power program lately than Tennessee is, they won a national championship in 2010 and have beaten Alabama four times in the 2010's. Tennessee hasn't beaten Alabama since 2006. Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee.

That's your takeaway from this article? How about the 800 pound gorilla?

If the SEC does not participate in a CFP that includes the other power conferences there is no more national champion except the unofficial ones chosen by the polls. How long do you think that condition will last?

When the AFL succeeded in breaking the NFL's monopoly in pro football, the public wouldn't tolerate having two champions, and the Super Bowl was born. How long before there is an attempt to create a college super bowl if the SEC breaks away from the CFP? Who is their AFL then? Is it the B1G? The so called Alliance?

Buckle your seatbelts.
Nah. Nobody considered the AFL the NFL's equal. The Super Bowl was an afterthought to the NFL champ until the Jets upset the Colts. It was about the two sides trying to end the bidding war for players. Now maybe there becomes a parallel in college football.

The AFL didn't have to be the NFL's equal. They just had to be successful, and therefore a threat. Right now, I don't believe the B1G is the SEC's equal. But they aren't going away. Eventually, they will wind up working together because that's in both their interests.

And anyone can see that each conference has what some would call "deadweight". But all those schools contribute to the success of the whole precisely by being less successful on the field in football and/or basketball. Without them to absorb losses in conference play the stars won't have the gaudy records that attract eyeballs. Even the NFL needs teams like the Lions and Browns that in the long run lose more than they win.

Eventually those leagues evened themselves out by moving teams from one league to the other.
Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Baltimore all migrated to the AFC. The Seattle team is the only one to go from the AFC to the NFC. All of these moves were made for balance. Both conferences now have 16 teams
MLB did exactly the same thing when when the Astros moved from the National League to the American to give both leagues 15 teams.

Eventually the B1G side will have the same number of teams as the SEC side because it is a proven formula.
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(06-01-2022 07:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-01-2022 06:50 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 04:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 06:31 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 05:47 AM)schmolik Wrote:  Who wrote this?

>Those who want divisions see a simple move of Texas and Oklahoma to the West Division, and 1 current West team to the East. More than likely, that means Alabama.

That leaves the conference with 4 blue-blood programs on each side:

East: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee.
West: LSU, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M.
>

They never heard of AUBURN?

And I would think it would be obvious that Missouri would move to the West and Auburn would join Alabama in the East. Auburn's more of a power program lately than Tennessee is, they won a national championship in 2010 and have beaten Alabama four times in the 2010's. Tennessee hasn't beaten Alabama since 2006. Nick Saban has never lost to Tennessee.

That's your takeaway from this article? How about the 800 pound gorilla?

If the SEC does not participate in a CFP that includes the other power conferences there is no more national champion except the unofficial ones chosen by the polls. How long do you think that condition will last?

When the AFL succeeded in breaking the NFL's monopoly in pro football, the public wouldn't tolerate having two champions, and the Super Bowl was born. How long before there is an attempt to create a college super bowl if the SEC breaks away from the CFP? Who is their AFL then? Is it the B1G? The so called Alliance?

Buckle your seatbelts.
Nah. Nobody considered the AFL the NFL's equal. The Super Bowl was an afterthought to the NFL champ until the Jets upset the Colts. It was about the two sides trying to end the bidding war for players. Now maybe there becomes a parallel in college football.

The AFL didn't have to be the NFL's equal. They just had to be successful, and therefore a threat. Right now, I don't believe the B1G is the SEC's equal. But they aren't going away. Eventually, they will wind up working together because that's in both their interests.

And anyone can see that each conference has what some would call "deadweight". But all those schools contribute to the success of the whole precisely by being less successful on the field in football and/or basketball. Without them to absorb losses in conference play the stars won't have the gaudy records that attract eyeballs. Even the NFL needs teams like the Lions and Browns that in the long run lose more than they win.

Eventually those leagues evened themselves out by moving teams from one league to the other.
Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Baltimore all migrated to the AFC. The Seattle team is the only one to go from the AFC to the NFC. All of these moves were made for balance. Both conferences now have 16 teams
MLB did exactly the same thing when when the Astros moved from the National League to the American to give both leagues 15 teams.

Eventually the B1G side will have the same number of teams as the SEC side because it is a proven formula.

And if I had to guess, that number of teams will be more than 16, if for no other reason than it won't be a truly national league if everybody west of Texas is excluded.
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RE: The SEC has some decisions to make
(06-01-2022 09:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-01-2022 07:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-01-2022 06:50 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 04:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 06:31 AM)ken d Wrote:  That's your takeaway from this article? How about the 800 pound gorilla?

If the SEC does not participate in a CFP that includes the other power conferences there is no more national champion except the unofficial ones chosen by the polls. How long do you think that condition will last?

When the AFL succeeded in breaking the NFL's monopoly in pro football, the public wouldn't tolerate having two champions, and the Super Bowl was born. How long before there is an attempt to create a college super bowl if the SEC breaks away from the CFP? Who is their AFL then? Is it the B1G? The so called Alliance?

Buckle your seatbelts.
Nah. Nobody considered the AFL the NFL's equal. The Super Bowl was an afterthought to the NFL champ until the Jets upset the Colts. It was about the two sides trying to end the bidding war for players. Now maybe there becomes a parallel in college football.

The AFL didn't have to be the NFL's equal. They just had to be successful, and therefore a threat. Right now, I don't believe the B1G is the SEC's equal. But they aren't going away. Eventually, they will wind up working together because that's in both their interests.

And anyone can see that each conference has what some would call "deadweight". But all those schools contribute to the success of the whole precisely by being less successful on the field in football and/or basketball. Without them to absorb losses in conference play the stars won't have the gaudy records that attract eyeballs. Even the NFL needs teams like the Lions and Browns that in the long run lose more than they win.

Eventually those leagues evened themselves out by moving teams from one league to the other.
Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Baltimore all migrated to the AFC. The Seattle team is the only one to go from the AFC to the NFC. All of these moves were made for balance. Both conferences now have 16 teams
MLB did exactly the same thing when when the Astros moved from the National League to the American to give both leagues 15 teams.

Eventually the B1G side will have the same number of teams as the SEC side because it is a proven formula.

And if I had to guess, that number of teams will be more than 16, if for no other reason than it won't be a truly national league if everybody west of Texas is excluded.

Geographically, yes, competitively, no. USC in 2003/2004, Nebraska in 1997, 94 and 95, Washington in 1991, Colorado in 90, BYU in 84, Southern Cal in 72, 74, and 78, and Nebraska in 70-71. So include USC somehow and all but 3 championships since 1970 east of Texas.
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RE: The SEC has some decisions to make
(06-01-2022 09:41 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-01-2022 07:06 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(06-01-2022 06:50 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 04:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(05-31-2022 06:31 AM)ken d Wrote:  That's your takeaway from this article? How about the 800 pound gorilla?

If the SEC does not participate in a CFP that includes the other power conferences there is no more national champion except the unofficial ones chosen by the polls. How long do you think that condition will last?

When the AFL succeeded in breaking the NFL's monopoly in pro football, the public wouldn't tolerate having two champions, and the Super Bowl was born. How long before there is an attempt to create a college super bowl if the SEC breaks away from the CFP? Who is their AFL then? Is it the B1G? The so called Alliance?

Buckle your seatbelts.
Nah. Nobody considered the AFL the NFL's equal. The Super Bowl was an afterthought to the NFL champ until the Jets upset the Colts. It was about the two sides trying to end the bidding war for players. Now maybe there becomes a parallel in college football.

The AFL didn't have to be the NFL's equal. They just had to be successful, and therefore a threat. Right now, I don't believe the B1G is the SEC's equal. But they aren't going away. Eventually, they will wind up working together because that's in both their interests.

And anyone can see that each conference has what some would call "deadweight". But all those schools contribute to the success of the whole precisely by being less successful on the field in football and/or basketball. Without them to absorb losses in conference play the stars won't have the gaudy records that attract eyeballs. Even the NFL needs teams like the Lions and Browns that in the long run lose more than they win.

Eventually those leagues evened themselves out by moving teams from one league to the other.
Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Baltimore all migrated to the AFC. The Seattle team is the only one to go from the AFC to the NFC. All of these moves were made for balance. Both conferences now have 16 teams
MLB did exactly the same thing when when the Astros moved from the National League to the American to give both leagues 15 teams.

Eventually the B1G side will have the same number of teams as the SEC side because it is a proven formula.

And if I had to guess, that number of teams will be more than 16, if for no other reason than it won't be a truly national league if everybody west of Texas is excluded.

Geographically, yes, competitively, no. USC in 2003/2004, Nebraska in 1997, 94 and 95, Washington in 1991, Colorado in 90, BYU in 84, Southern Cal in 72, 74, and 78, and Nebraska in 70-71. So include USC and Nebraska somehow and all but 3 championships since 1970 east of Texas.
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