(05-31-2022 12:51 PM)Crayton Wrote:  

(05-30-2022 03:39 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  That’s not what I’m asking.

Can the conference as a whole break their current GORs which is basically holding them hostage for another 14yrs??? If the conference decided to break their own deal who would stop them ESPN???

All I was asking can the conference as a whole vote to cancel the GORs, and if not why and who would stop them from doing so???

The value of the contract signed with ESPN is predicated upon the signing of the GOR. As seen from AAC negotiations, ESPN likely offered them a 20% bonus if all their members signed.

If the ACC agreed to end their GOR? Don’t know if the value defaults to the original, lower, offer. Terms of the media contract are not public. Likely they can do it without ESPN’s blessing, but they’d take a pre-negotiated paycut.

Once you (the member schools) have granted your rights to a third party (the conference) and received consideration for that grant, there are no "backsies". If there were, there would be no point in having GoRs.

AFAIK, the contracts of the GoR do not bar members from exiting the conference. They have that right by virtue of the contract they signed when they agreed to the conference bylaws. With that right comes the obligation spelled out in those bylaws to pay an exit fee. Meeting that obligation, however, does not rescind the grant you previously gave to the conference for consideration.

Could the conference dissolve as a tactic to invalidate its contract with ESPN? My guess is that ESPN could get an injunction to prevent that on the grounds that it is a sham transaction intended solely to rectify the conference's prior bad decision.

But, let's just say for the moment that a court allows them to do that. If the members were to subsequently form a new entity with the same members and take their product to the open market, what media company would want to sign a new contract with them, knowing that they aren't likely to live up to their end of the bargain? The chances that the new entity could get a better deal than the one they torpedoed are slim at best.

So, if you see yourself as one of the more valuable properties in the former ACC and strike out on your own, you would no doubt cause considerable harm to those members who don't have many good options. So, why would any of those vote with you to dissolve the ACC in the first place? They would no doubt vote no to dissolution and sue to hold you to your obligation to pay an exit fee (currently in the $100 million ballpark) and to retain your media rights after you depart.

Unless somebody finds a way to keep the ACC's have-nots' annual distributions at least equal to what they now have for the foreseeable future (at least until 2036), those GoRs aren't going anywhere.

Going to 16 has some advantages for power leagues. The big 10 and SEC at 16

1) could setup 2 game conference football playoff
2) could set up two 8 team basketball tournament at 2 different sites, each with autobid. Also, could use that format for all sports. I don’t like having a single 16 team basketball tournament over 4 days.

(06-01-2022 10:15 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I don’t like having a single 16 team basketball tournament over 4 days.

This wouldn't be possible anyway, short of throwing money at 2 venues.

Round of 16
Game 1 530am
Game 2 8am
Game 3 1030am
Game 4 1pm
Game 5 330pm
Game 6 6pm
Game 7 830pm
Game 8 11pm

The Big 10 should have definitely been recruiting Kansas and Oklahoma hard. Not landing the Sooners and letting the SEC get both them and the Longhorns really tips the balance of power.

(06-01-2022 12:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  The Big 10 should have definitely been recruiting Kansas and Oklahoma hard. Not landing the Sooners and letting the SEC get both them and the Longhorns really tips the balance of power.

That assumes, of course, that the addition of Oklahoma and Texas won't backfire for the SEC.

(06-01-2022 07:14 AM)XLance Wrote:  https://csnbbs.com/thread-767908-post-12...id12929409

BIG Tidbit
"Evening all, I never post information or tidbits on here unless I know there is truth. This weekend I was at a function in Kansas City (I sit in the board of a hospital system there). A fellow board member is also on the KU BOT and he told me that OU and KU are in talks with the BIG which has given the OU prez leverage going into the B12 talks next week. Evidentially both OU and KU are out the door if he doesn't get what he wants."


The B1G should have followed through with Oklahoma and Kansas.

I think the academic snobbery cost the B1G given OU wasn't AAU. They actually thought Rutgers and Maryland were better fits. I'm not sure if the Big 12 GoR was already in place when Maryland/RU happened. But as you hinted, there was a window there to get this done. In any event, I'm not complaining and it's all the same to me. Eventually OU and UT were going to get out. It's good that it happened together instead of dragging out the soap opera for another ten years.

(06-01-2022 10:15 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Going to 16 has some advantages for power leagues. The big 10 and SEC at 16

1) could setup 2 game conference football playoff
2) could set up two 8 team basketball tournament at 2 different sites, each with autobid. Also, could use that format for all sports. I don’t like having a single 16 team basketball tournament over 4 days.

The two should merge and add the best schools for football which would be Clemson and FSU. Then organize like the NFL.

Purdue, Indiana, Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland in the Northeast Divisions of the American and National Conferences.

Likely want Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State in one conference; and Purdue and Indiana in the other, along with Penn State to avoid the other being too strong. Maryland and Rutger are arbitrary.

Nebraska. Iowa. Minnesota. Wisconsin in one Northwest Divison (and in the same conference as Purdue, Indiana, Penn State, Maryland/Rutgers). Missouri, Northwestern, Illinois, Kentucky in the other division.

Oklahoma, Texas, TAMU, Arkansas in one of the Southeast Divisions; LSU, OM, Mississippi State, and Vanderbilit in the other.

In the Southeast you will want to put Auburn-Alabama, Florida-Florida State, and Clemson-South Carolina in the same divisions, which means Georgia-Tennessee is the other pair.

I'd put Alabama, Auburn, Georgia and Tennessee in one division, and Clemson, South Carolina, FSU, and Florida in the other:

American Conference

Northeast Division: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Rutgers
Northwest Division: Missouri, Northwestern, Illinois, Kentucky
Southwest Division: Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas
Southeast Division: Clemson, South Carolina, Florida, Florida State

National Conference

Northeast Division: Purdue, Indiana, Penn State, Maryland
Northwest Division: Nebraska, Minnesota. Iowa. Wisconsin
Southwest Division: LSU, Mississippi State, Mississippi, Vanderbilt
Southeast Division: Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia

In the interest of student welfare, the regular season stays at 16 games: 6 division games H-and-H, four games against a division in the other conference on a rotating basis, two games against each other division in the same conference, based on recency of play.

12 teams to the playoffs.

To counter, the Coastal League forms from Pac 12, Big 12, and remainder of ACC. With 37 schools/franchises, do they cut 5: Wake Forest, Boston College, Oregon State, Duke, and Georgia Tech; or expand to 40 franchises with 5-team divisions by adding Boise State, Memphis, and USF.

The remainder of FBS plus three FCS callups form the 64-Team Really Big Super League (RBSL) with 8, 8 team divisions. Top 2 in each division to the 16-team playoffs.

Other sports may be organized in different ways. The NBA does not exclude Portland, Utah, San Antonio, and Memphis simply because there is no NFL teams in those cities.