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(05-31-2022 10:40 AM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(05-27-2022 06:12 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(05-26-2022 12:57 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(05-26-2022 12:52 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(05-25-2022 08:55 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I locked it behind the hidden swing door in the back of my MILLITARY ASSAULT-style vehicle.

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Quote:Now, there is no way for that to happen. Last one I purchased, while it was done in 20-30 min, there was a LOT more. ID, 10 page questionnaire for the ATF, him entering my SSN and other ID information, then waiting for the 'can do it' response from the instant check.

Brady passed in '94 which put a 5 day waiting period on all firearm sales, but allowed that wait period to be supplanted by an instant check that we see today.

This is the fallacy of the democrats argument. The kid passed a background check. That's 'all' they say they want. They say he 'planned' the event... even putting it on facebook. He purchased the guns 'over the last two weeks', meaning a 'waiting period' would also have been immaterial.

What I find troubling is that facebook has all sorts of algorithms to seek out HATE speech and ban it, but can't seem to locate someone threatening to kill people?!?! I just don't get that.

Maybe we should fix THAT and not be so fixated on a) politically charged rhetoric on gun laws that demonstrably wouldn't have made one difference to the outcome... or b) politically charged 'hate speech' which doesn't really have a definition, other than whatever fits someone's political agenda.... because if it DID have a definition, it would certainly include threats to kill someone, wouldn't it??

Not 100% sure, but I believe private messages in FB messages are encrypted and not able to be reviewed by FB.

I believe the threats were via private messages to a person he met via an online chat service that lived in Germany. That person then alerted another friend in the US once they heard the news.

In a similar vein to the FB DMs, the Buffalo shooter invited 30 people to a Discord channel to review and discuss his plans for the shooting. Not one person who accepted the invitation alerted authorities. Authorities are investigating whether a former FBI official, who was invited to that channel, accepted the invitation and failed to alert authorities.

So a common link here is “public” notification of these activities, but either a failure by design to identify them and proactively alert authorities, or just a failure in general (I don’t believe Discord is encrypted the same way Facebook is).

The question becomes, do we collectively want these tech companies to be constantly going through these sort of private messages, private channels, etc., or do we want them to be hands off?

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/autho...95d6f.html

The much better question is why didn’t *any* of the people (the issue of them being ex fbi or not being superfluous) in these chats / messaging apps raise a single peep?

It should be pretty obvious why people personally invited by a self-described white nationalist to a Discord channel to discuss his plans did not inform law enforcement...

Quote:“These were like-minded people who used this chat group to talk about their shared interests in racial hatred, replacement theory and hatred of anyone who is Jewish, a person of color or not of European ancestry,” said one of the two law enforcement officials with close knowledge of the investigation. “What is especially upsetting is that these six people received advanced notice of the Buffalo shooting, about 30 minutes before it happened.

The person who was chatting with the Uvalde shooter spoke out and said they thought he was joking.
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It should be pretty obvious why people personally invited by a self-described white nationalist to a Discord channel to discuss his plans did not inform law enforcement... [quote]
The person who was chatting with the Uvalde shooter spoke out and said they thought he was joking.
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I find these two comments, literally back to back to be confusing.

Are you saying they thought he was joking (as you so clearly do in the second response) or are you saying they were doing/encouraging illegal things (as you imply in the first?) Feel free to rephrase how I summed up your first comment,... either way, the first does not imply that they thought he was joking.

I'm asking because if Discord is a place where people congregate to plan illegal things, it seems like a great place to start a discussion about what constitutes 'hate' and how protected such speech should be? This seems like a much easier hill to climb than the second amendment, since nobody who isn't planning something illegal would be impacted by the monitoring of conversations about planning something illegal... but almost every legal gun owner would be impacted by the proposed laws on guns I've seen.
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(05-31-2022 01:35 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  [quote='RiceLad15' pid='18256671' dateline='1654014955']
It should be pretty obvious why people personally invited by a self-described white nationalist to a Discord channel to discuss his plans did not inform law enforcement...
Quote:The person who was chatting with the Uvalde shooter spoke out and said they thought he was joking.

I find these two comments, literally back to back to be confusing.

Are you saying they thought he was joking (as you so clearly do in the second response) or are you saying they were doing/encouraging illegal things (as you imply in the first?) Feel free to rephrase how I summed up your first comment,... either way, the first does not imply that they thought he was joking.

I'm asking because if Discord is a place where people congregate to plan illegal things, it seems like a great place to start a discussion about what constitutes 'hate' and how protected such speech should be? This seems like a much easier hill to climb than the second amendment, since nobody who isn't planning something illegal would be impacted by the monitoring of conversations about planning something illegal... but almost every legal gun owner would be impacted by the proposed laws on guns I've seen.

You're conflating two recent mass shootings.

The Buffalo shooter is who I was referring to at the beginning. He set up a private chat room on Discord ahead of time and invited a select group of individuals he had previously talked to, to go over his plans in detail ahead of the massacre.

Here is the link I posted to earlier: https://buffalonews.com/news/local/autho...95d6f.html

The Uvalde shooter used direct message on Facebook to communicate with a teenage in Germany. He told her ahead of time what he was going to do, but the teen thought he was joking. She informed authorities of this communication once she saw the news.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/...ng-uvalde/
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Texas city council considers $22 minimum wage
Quote:Labor groups support the proposal, but some feel it doesn't go far enough

Mike Rowe slams Dem's call for $30 minimum wage: 'Why not $50?'

Mike Rowe, host of 'How America Works' on FOX Business, weighs in after Democratic congressional candidate Rebecca Parson called for a $30 minimum wage.

AUSTIN--Austin’s City Council is considering raising the minimum wage for full-time employees from $15 to $22 an hour.

The proposal, first brought forth by District 2 City Councilwoman Vanessa Fuentes, comes amid a general increase in the cost of living in Austin. That, in turn, has created high vacancy rates for city jobs lost to workers attracted by better pay in the private sector.

"We have to remain competitive and ensure that we’re attracting and retaining talented employees," Fuentes told Austin’s KXAN.

The increase is expected to cost the city between $18.2 and $22.8 million, according to estimates by City Manager Spencer Cronk.

Austin is limited by a 3.5% cap on the property tax revenue increase imposed by state law. Consequently, a rise in the minimum wage would mean budgets for other areas like homelessness initiatives and library funds would be slashed.

A $22 hourly wage for a full-time employee would equate to a roughly $45,000 annual salary.

Labor groups are overwhelmingly behind the proposal – even as some believe it doesn’t go far enough.

"$22 an hour is a starting place. We believe that it’s still not a living wage," Fabiola Barreto, Austin Policy Coordinator with the Workers Defense Project told FOX 7 last week.

The Austin City Council will weigh the proposal during its meeting on Thursday. Should the proposal pass, it would go into effect in 2023, pending approval of the city’s final budget.

This is real--it's not a spoof story.

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Actually, Texas would benefit if Austin implants were deported back to where they came from. Austin is becoming the next LA... an embarassment for real Americans living in TX.

So, what happens when $22 will no longer purchase what $15 used to? Increase the minimum to $25? $30?

It's like they never took an Economics 101 class.

Let's just save time and set minimum wage to $1Million/year salary. What could go wrong?

Folks, THE "Progessive"/Socialist Agenda DOES NOT WORK!

For some obtuse Democat politicians, present Inflation levels aren't nearly bad enough. They want MORE and HIGHER and FASTER Inflation. Aren't they paying attention? Democrats have LOST THEIR MINDS!
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(06-15-2022 01:53 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Texas city council considers $22 minimum wage
Quote:Labor groups support the proposal, but some feel it doesn't go far enough

Mike Rowe slams Dem's call for $30 minimum wage: 'Why not $50?'

Mike Rowe, host of 'How America Works' on FOX Business, weighs in after Democratic congressional candidate Rebecca Parson called for a $30 minimum wage.

AUSTIN--Austin’s City Council is considering raising the minimum wage for full-time employees from $15 to $22 an hour.

The proposal, first brought forth by District 2 City Councilwoman Vanessa Fuentes, comes amid a general increase in the cost of living in Austin. That, in turn, has created high vacancy rates for city jobs lost to workers attracted by better pay in the private sector.

"We have to remain competitive and ensure that we’re attracting and retaining talented employees," Fuentes told Austin’s KXAN.

The increase is expected to cost the city between $18.2 and $22.8 million, according to estimates by City Manager Spencer Cronk.

Austin is limited by a 3.5% cap on the property tax revenue increase imposed by state law. Consequently, a rise in the minimum wage would mean budgets for other areas like homelessness initiatives and library funds would be slashed.

A $22 hourly wage for a full-time employee would equate to a roughly $45,000 annual salary.

Labor groups are overwhelmingly behind the proposal – even as some believe it doesn’t go far enough.

"$22 an hour is a starting place. We believe that it’s still not a living wage," Fabiola Barreto, Austin Policy Coordinator with the Workers Defense Project told FOX 7 last week.

The Austin City Council will weigh the proposal during its meeting on Thursday. Should the proposal pass, it would go into effect in 2023, pending approval of the city’s final budget.

This is real--it's not a spoof story.

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Actually, Texas would benefit if Austin implants were deported back to where they came from. Austin is becoming the next LA... an embarassment for real Americans living in TX.

So, what happens when $22 will no longer purchase what $15 used to? Increase the minimum to $25? $30?

It's like they never took an Economics 101 class.

Let's just save time and set minimum wage to $1Million/year salary. What could go wrong?

Folks, THE "Progessive"/Socialist Agenda DOES NOT WORK!

For some obtuse Democat politicians, present Inflation levels aren't nearly bad enough. They want MORE and HIGHER and FASTER Inflation. Aren't they paying attention? Democrats have LOST THEIR MINDS!

Democrats seem to see economics in a vacuum, not as part of interconnected system. More money for the workers? Good! More cost to the city? Irrelevant. Where will the money come from? Irrelevant.

the chilling comment is this:

"$22 an hour is a starting place."

It exemplifies the Dem attitude of "we have no goals - just more of this and less of that."

In the past I have used a $100 MW as an extreme example, and been taken to task for it by liberals. But it is beginning not to seem so extreme.
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(06-15-2022 01:53 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Texas city council considers $22 minimum wage
Quote:Labor groups support the proposal, but some feel it doesn't go far enough

Mike Rowe slams Dem's call for $30 minimum wage: 'Why not $50?'

Mike Rowe, host of 'How America Works' on FOX Business, weighs in after Democratic congressional candidate Rebecca Parson called for a $30 minimum wage.

AUSTIN--Austin’s City Council is considering raising the minimum wage for full-time employees from $15 to $22 an hour.

The proposal, first brought forth by District 2 City Councilwoman Vanessa Fuentes, comes amid a general increase in the cost of living in Austin. That, in turn, has created high vacancy rates for city jobs lost to workers attracted by better pay in the private sector.

"We have to remain competitive and ensure that we’re attracting and retaining talented employees," Fuentes told Austin’s KXAN.

The increase is expected to cost the city between $18.2 and $22.8 million, according to estimates by City Manager Spencer Cronk.

Austin is limited by a 3.5% cap on the property tax revenue increase imposed by state law. Consequently, a rise in the minimum wage would mean budgets for other areas like homelessness initiatives and library funds would be slashed.

A $22 hourly wage for a full-time employee would equate to a roughly $45,000 annual salary.

Labor groups are overwhelmingly behind the proposal – even as some believe it doesn’t go far enough.

"$22 an hour is a starting place. We believe that it’s still not a living wage," Fabiola Barreto, Austin Policy Coordinator with the Workers Defense Project told FOX 7 last week.

The Austin City Council will weigh the proposal during its meeting on Thursday. Should the proposal pass, it would go into effect in 2023, pending approval of the city’s final budget.

This is real--it's not a spoof story.

some Comments:

Actually, Texas would benefit if Austin implants were deported back to where they came from. Austin is becoming the next LA... an embarassment for real Americans living in TX.

So, what happens when $22 will no longer purchase what $15 used to? Increase the minimum to $25? $30?

It's like they never took an Economics 101 class.

Let's just save time and set minimum wage to $1Million/year salary. What could go wrong?

Folks, THE "Progessive"/Socialist Agenda DOES NOT WORK!

For some obtuse Democat politicians, present Inflation levels aren't nearly bad enough. They want MORE and HIGHER and FASTER Inflation. Aren't they paying attention? Democrats have LOST THEIR MINDS!

It sounds like this is the minimum wage for city employees, not for people who work in the city of Austin.

You’re against an organization responding to market forces by raising the pay for the lowest paid employees?
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(06-15-2022 07:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 01:53 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Texas city council considers $22 minimum wage
Quote:Labor groups support the proposal, but some feel it doesn't go far enough

Mike Rowe slams Dem's call for $30 minimum wage: 'Why not $50?'

Mike Rowe, host of 'How America Works' on FOX Business, weighs in after Democratic congressional candidate Rebecca Parson called for a $30 minimum wage.

AUSTIN--Austin’s City Council is considering raising the minimum wage for full-time employees from $15 to $22 an hour.

The proposal, first brought forth by District 2 City Councilwoman Vanessa Fuentes, comes amid a general increase in the cost of living in Austin. That, in turn, has created high vacancy rates for city jobs lost to workers attracted by better pay in the private sector.

"We have to remain competitive and ensure that we’re attracting and retaining talented employees," Fuentes told Austin’s KXAN.

The increase is expected to cost the city between $18.2 and $22.8 million, according to estimates by City Manager Spencer Cronk.

Austin is limited by a 3.5% cap on the property tax revenue increase imposed by state law. Consequently, a rise in the minimum wage would mean budgets for other areas like homelessness initiatives and library funds would be slashed.

A $22 hourly wage for a full-time employee would equate to a roughly $45,000 annual salary.

Labor groups are overwhelmingly behind the proposal – even as some believe it doesn’t go far enough.

"$22 an hour is a starting place. We believe that it’s still not a living wage," Fabiola Barreto, Austin Policy Coordinator with the Workers Defense Project told FOX 7 last week.

The Austin City Council will weigh the proposal during its meeting on Thursday. Should the proposal pass, it would go into effect in 2023, pending approval of the city’s final budget.

This is real--it's not a spoof story.

some Comments:

Actually, Texas would benefit if Austin implants were deported back to where they came from. Austin is becoming the next LA... an embarassment for real Americans living in TX.

So, what happens when $22 will no longer purchase what $15 used to? Increase the minimum to $25? $30?

It's like they never took an Economics 101 class.

Let's just save time and set minimum wage to $1Million/year salary. What could go wrong?

Folks, THE "Progessive"/Socialist Agenda DOES NOT WORK!

For some obtuse Democat politicians, present Inflation levels aren't nearly bad enough. They want MORE and HIGHER and FASTER Inflation. Aren't they paying attention? Democrats have LOST THEIR MINDS!

It sounds like this is the minimum wage for city employees, not for people who work in the city of Austin.

You’re against an organization responding to market forces by raising the pay for the lowest paid employees?

Intentional market destruction by Left-Wing Progressives, not "market forces." They totaly crated this artficial "problem." Natural outside forces have added to it a bit, but this whole thing was Democratic Party Policy Choices...and their poicies and choices don't work.
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(06-15-2022 08:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 07:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 01:53 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Texas city council considers $22 minimum wage
Quote:Labor groups support the proposal, but some feel it doesn't go far enough

Mike Rowe slams Dem's call for $30 minimum wage: 'Why not $50?'

Mike Rowe, host of 'How America Works' on FOX Business, weighs in after Democratic congressional candidate Rebecca Parson called for a $30 minimum wage.

AUSTIN--Austin’s City Council is considering raising the minimum wage for full-time employees from $15 to $22 an hour.

The proposal, first brought forth by District 2 City Councilwoman Vanessa Fuentes, comes amid a general increase in the cost of living in Austin. That, in turn, has created high vacancy rates for city jobs lost to workers attracted by better pay in the private sector.

"We have to remain competitive and ensure that we’re attracting and retaining talented employees," Fuentes told Austin’s KXAN.

The increase is expected to cost the city between $18.2 and $22.8 million, according to estimates by City Manager Spencer Cronk.

Austin is limited by a 3.5% cap on the property tax revenue increase imposed by state law. Consequently, a rise in the minimum wage would mean budgets for other areas like homelessness initiatives and library funds would be slashed.

A $22 hourly wage for a full-time employee would equate to a roughly $45,000 annual salary.

Labor groups are overwhelmingly behind the proposal – even as some believe it doesn’t go far enough.

"$22 an hour is a starting place. We believe that it’s still not a living wage," Fabiola Barreto, Austin Policy Coordinator with the Workers Defense Project told FOX 7 last week.

The Austin City Council will weigh the proposal during its meeting on Thursday. Should the proposal pass, it would go into effect in 2023, pending approval of the city’s final budget.

This is real--it's not a spoof story.

some Comments:

Actually, Texas would benefit if Austin implants were deported back to where they came from. Austin is becoming the next LA... an embarassment for real Americans living in TX.

So, what happens when $22 will no longer purchase what $15 used to? Increase the minimum to $25? $30?

It's like they never took an Economics 101 class.

Let's just save time and set minimum wage to $1Million/year salary. What could go wrong?

Folks, THE "Progessive"/Socialist Agenda DOES NOT WORK!

For some obtuse Democat politicians, present Inflation levels aren't nearly bad enough. They want MORE and HIGHER and FASTER Inflation. Aren't they paying attention? Democrats have LOST THEIR MINDS!

It sounds like this is the minimum wage for city employees, not for people who work in the city of Austin.

You’re against an organization responding to market forces by raising the pay for the lowest paid employees?

Intentional market destruction by Left-Wing Progressives, not "market forces." They totaly crated this artficial "problem." Natural outside forces have added to it a bit, but this whole thing was Democratic Party Policy Choices...and their poicies and choices don't work.

I fail to see how that’s relevant to an organization deciding to increase their minimum wage. Are you also annoyed at Exxon bumping their salaries to stay competitive?

This is not the City of Austin telling companies operating in town to raise their minimum wage. This is the City saying that they are going to try and fix their lifeguard shortage by increasing the pay to $22. They’ve had to close Barton Springs an extra day per week because of staffing issues.
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(06-16-2022 05:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 08:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 07:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 01:53 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Texas city council considers $22 minimum wage
Quote:Labor groups support the proposal, but some feel it doesn't go far enough

Mike Rowe slams Dem's call for $30 minimum wage: 'Why not $50?'

Mike Rowe, host of 'How America Works' on FOX Business, weighs in after Democratic congressional candidate Rebecca Parson called for a $30 minimum wage.

AUSTIN--Austin’s City Council is considering raising the minimum wage for full-time employees from $15 to $22 an hour.

The proposal, first brought forth by District 2 City Councilwoman Vanessa Fuentes, comes amid a general increase in the cost of living in Austin. That, in turn, has created high vacancy rates for city jobs lost to workers attracted by better pay in the private sector.

"We have to remain competitive and ensure that we’re attracting and retaining talented employees," Fuentes told Austin’s KXAN.

The increase is expected to cost the city between $18.2 and $22.8 million, according to estimates by City Manager Spencer Cronk.

Austin is limited by a 3.5% cap on the property tax revenue increase imposed by state law. Consequently, a rise in the minimum wage would mean budgets for other areas like homelessness initiatives and library funds would be slashed.

A $22 hourly wage for a full-time employee would equate to a roughly $45,000 annual salary.

Labor groups are overwhelmingly behind the proposal – even as some believe it doesn’t go far enough.

"$22 an hour is a starting place. We believe that it’s still not a living wage," Fabiola Barreto, Austin Policy Coordinator with the Workers Defense Project told FOX 7 last week.

The Austin City Council will weigh the proposal during its meeting on Thursday. Should the proposal pass, it would go into effect in 2023, pending approval of the city’s final budget.

This is real--it's not a spoof story.

some Comments:

Actually, Texas would benefit if Austin implants were deported back to where they came from. Austin is becoming the next LA... an embarassment for real Americans living in TX.

So, what happens when $22 will no longer purchase what $15 used to? Increase the minimum to $25? $30?

It's like they never took an Economics 101 class.

Let's just save time and set minimum wage to $1Million/year salary. What could go wrong?

Folks, THE "Progessive"/Socialist Agenda DOES NOT WORK!

For some obtuse Democat politicians, present Inflation levels aren't nearly bad enough. They want MORE and HIGHER and FASTER Inflation. Aren't they paying attention? Democrats have LOST THEIR MINDS!

It sounds like this is the minimum wage for city employees, not for people who work in the city of Austin.

You’re against an organization responding to market forces by raising the pay for the lowest paid employees?

Intentional market destruction by Left-Wing Progressives, not "market forces." They totaly crated this artficial "problem." Natural outside forces have added to it a bit, but this whole thing was Democratic Party Policy Choices...and their poicies and choices don't work.

I fail to see how that’s relevant to an organization deciding to increase their minimum wage. Are you also annoyed at Exxon bumping their salaries to stay competitive?

This is not the City of Austin telling companies operating in town to raise their minimum wage. This is the City saying that they are going to try and fix their lifeguard shortage by increasing the pay to $22. They’ve had to close Barton Springs an extra day per week because of staffing issues.

Ah, yes. $22/hour for lifeguards? I guess this is the Texas version of Baywatch.

Certainly, in a competitive job market, it is fine to bid for labor, and pay rates above other people for that labor. How else will they attract that highly skilled labor from Burger King? But there is no reason to raise the MW permanently to compete in a temporarily tight labor market.

Of course, the MW proposal covers all sorts of jobs, not just lifeguards. But how else will a lifeguard be able to buy a house, a couple of cars, put two kids through college, and retire at 65 with a gold watch, if he doesn't get the same money as some recent college grads? People will drown without this, and if it saves even one life, that is priceless.

Of course, when the job market loosens, and the inflation abates, they can always return to lower wages. 03-lmfao

OK, getting serious here - well , a little more serious.

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW? Same as the people who they are trying to attract workers away from?
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(06-16-2022 08:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 05:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 08:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 07:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 01:53 AM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Texas city council considers $22 minimum wage

This is real--it's not a spoof story.

some Comments:

Actually, Texas would benefit if Austin implants were deported back to where they came from. Austin is becoming the next LA... an embarassment for real Americans living in TX.

So, what happens when $22 will no longer purchase what $15 used to? Increase the minimum to $25? $30?

It's like they never took an Economics 101 class.

Let's just save time and set minimum wage to $1Million/year salary. What could go wrong?

Folks, THE "Progessive"/Socialist Agenda DOES NOT WORK!

For some obtuse Democat politicians, present Inflation levels aren't nearly bad enough. They want MORE and HIGHER and FASTER Inflation. Aren't they paying attention? Democrats have LOST THEIR MINDS!

It sounds like this is the minimum wage for city employees, not for people who work in the city of Austin.

You’re against an organization responding to market forces by raising the pay for the lowest paid employees?

Intentional market destruction by Left-Wing Progressives, not "market forces." They totaly crated this artficial "problem." Natural outside forces have added to it a bit, but this whole thing was Democratic Party Policy Choices...and their poicies and choices don't work.

I fail to see how that’s relevant to an organization deciding to increase their minimum wage. Are you also annoyed at Exxon bumping their salaries to stay competitive?

This is not the City of Austin telling companies operating in town to raise their minimum wage. This is the City saying that they are going to try and fix their lifeguard shortage by increasing the pay to $22. They’ve had to close Barton Springs an extra day per week because of staffing issues.

Ah, yes. $22/hour for lifeguards? I guess this is the Texas version of Baywatch.

Certainly, in a competitive job market, it is fine to bid for labor, and pay rates above other people for that labor. How else will they attract that highly skilled labor from Burger King? But there is no reason to raise the MW permanently to compete in a temporarily tight labor market.

Of course, the MW proposal covers all sorts of jobs, not just lifeguards. But how else will a lifeguard be able to buy a house, a couple of cars, put two kids through college, and retire at 65 with a gold watch, if he doesn't get the same money as some recent college grads? People will drown without this, and if it saves even one life, that is priceless.

Of course, when the job market loosens, and the inflation abates, they can always return to lower wages. 03-lmfao

OK, getting serious here - well , a little more serious.

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW? Same as the people who they are trying to attract workers away from?

Read the article - they are raising the minimum wage for City of Austin jobs only. So they are literally doing what you as at the bottom.
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(06-16-2022 10:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 08:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 05:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 08:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 07:53 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  It sounds like this is the minimum wage for city employees, not for people who work in the city of Austin.

You’re against an organization responding to market forces by raising the pay for the lowest paid employees?

Intentional market destruction by Left-Wing Progressives, not "market forces." They totaly crated this artficial "problem." Natural outside forces have added to it a bit, but this whole thing was Democratic Party Policy Choices...and their poicies and choices don't work.

I fail to see how that’s relevant to an organization deciding to increase their minimum wage. Are you also annoyed at Exxon bumping their salaries to stay competitive?

This is not the City of Austin telling companies operating in town to raise their minimum wage. This is the City saying that they are going to try and fix their lifeguard shortage by increasing the pay to $22. They’ve had to close Barton Springs an extra day per week because of staffing issues.

Ah, yes. $22/hour for lifeguards? I guess this is the Texas version of Baywatch.

Certainly, in a competitive job market, it is fine to bid for labor, and pay rates above other people for that labor. How else will they attract that highly skilled labor from Burger King? But there is no reason to raise the MW permanently to compete in a temporarily tight labor market.

Of course, the MW proposal covers all sorts of jobs, not just lifeguards. But how else will a lifeguard be able to buy a house, a couple of cars, put two kids through college, and retire at 65 with a gold watch, if he doesn't get the same money as some recent college grads? People will drown without this, and if it saves even one life, that is priceless.

Of course, when the job market loosens, and the inflation abates, they can always return to lower wages. 03-lmfao

OK, getting serious here - well , a little more serious.

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW? Same as the people who they are trying to attract workers away from?

Read the article - they are raising the minimum wage for City of Austin jobs only. So they are literally doing what you as at the bottom.

Read my question. I will repeat it:

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW?
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(06-16-2022 10:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 08:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 05:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-15-2022 08:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  Intentional market destruction by Left-Wing Progressives, not "market forces." They totaly crated this artficial "problem." Natural outside forces have added to it a bit, but this whole thing was Democratic Party Policy Choices...and their poicies and choices don't work.

I fail to see how that’s relevant to an organization deciding to increase their minimum wage. Are you also annoyed at Exxon bumping their salaries to stay competitive?

This is not the City of Austin telling companies operating in town to raise their minimum wage. This is the City saying that they are going to try and fix their lifeguard shortage by increasing the pay to $22. They’ve had to close Barton Springs an extra day per week because of staffing issues.

Ah, yes. $22/hour for lifeguards? I guess this is the Texas version of Baywatch.

Certainly, in a competitive job market, it is fine to bid for labor, and pay rates above other people for that labor. How else will they attract that highly skilled labor from Burger King? But there is no reason to raise the MW permanently to compete in a temporarily tight labor market.

Of course, the MW proposal covers all sorts of jobs, not just lifeguards. But how else will a lifeguard be able to buy a house, a couple of cars, put two kids through college, and retire at 65 with a gold watch, if he doesn't get the same money as some recent college grads? People will drown without this, and if it saves even one life, that is priceless.

Of course, when the job market loosens, and the inflation abates, they can always return to lower wages. 03-lmfao

OK, getting serious here - well , a little more serious.

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW? Same as the people who they are trying to attract workers away from?

Read the article - they are raising the minimum wage for City of Austin jobs only. So they are literally doing what you as at the bottom.

Read my question. I will repeat it:

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW?

I am at a loss here…

I guess the City of Austin could keep their current minimum wage, then create a new wage class that is higher and just not hire anyone at their minimum wage rate.

You have an issue with the City of Austin raising the floor for city employee wages?
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(06-16-2022 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 08:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 05:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I fail to see how that’s relevant to an organization deciding to increase their minimum wage. Are you also annoyed at Exxon bumping their salaries to stay competitive?

This is not the City of Austin telling companies operating in town to raise their minimum wage. This is the City saying that they are going to try and fix their lifeguard shortage by increasing the pay to $22. They’ve had to close Barton Springs an extra day per week because of staffing issues.

Ah, yes. $22/hour for lifeguards? I guess this is the Texas version of Baywatch.

Certainly, in a competitive job market, it is fine to bid for labor, and pay rates above other people for that labor. How else will they attract that highly skilled labor from Burger King? But there is no reason to raise the MW permanently to compete in a temporarily tight labor market.

Of course, the MW proposal covers all sorts of jobs, not just lifeguards. But how else will a lifeguard be able to buy a house, a couple of cars, put two kids through college, and retire at 65 with a gold watch, if he doesn't get the same money as some recent college grads? People will drown without this, and if it saves even one life, that is priceless.

Of course, when the job market loosens, and the inflation abates, they can always return to lower wages. 03-lmfao

OK, getting serious here - well , a little more serious.

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW? Same as the people who they are trying to attract workers away from?

Read the article - they are raising the minimum wage for City of Austin jobs only. So they are literally doing what you as at the bottom.

Read my question. I will repeat it:

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW?

I am at a loss here…

I guess the City of Austin could keep their current minimum wage, then create a new wage class that is higher and just not hire anyone at their minimum wage rate.

You have an issue with the City of Austin raising the floor for city employee wages?

I believe the current MW is $7.75/hr and nobody is working at that rate. If Burger King and convenience stores can pay more than MW without being forced by law, why can't the City of Austin? What can't they pay lifeguards $22/hr without making it MW? MW is not a ceiling.

I don't see the need to raise the MW in order to pay competitive wages. Is there some law that says they cannot pay more than MW? Everybody else does.

You appear to think the City must pay MW, and so to be competitive they must raise the MW. I think that is incorrect. I think they can pay competitive wages if they want to, same as Burger King

Of course, they are a government bureaucracy run by leftists, so no telling what obstacles they have subjected themselves to.
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(06-16-2022 10:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 08:37 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Ah, yes. $22/hour for lifeguards? I guess this is the Texas version of Baywatch.

Certainly, in a competitive job market, it is fine to bid for labor, and pay rates above other people for that labor. How else will they attract that highly skilled labor from Burger King? But there is no reason to raise the MW permanently to compete in a temporarily tight labor market.

Of course, the MW proposal covers all sorts of jobs, not just lifeguards. But how else will a lifeguard be able to buy a house, a couple of cars, put two kids through college, and retire at 65 with a gold watch, if he doesn't get the same money as some recent college grads? People will drown without this, and if it saves even one life, that is priceless.

Of course, when the job market loosens, and the inflation abates, they can always return to lower wages. 03-lmfao

OK, getting serious here - well , a little more serious.

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW? Same as the people who they are trying to attract workers away from?

Read the article - they are raising the minimum wage for City of Austin jobs only. So they are literally doing what you as at the bottom.

Read my question. I will repeat it:

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW?

I am at a loss here…

I guess the City of Austin could keep their current minimum wage, then create a new wage class that is higher and just not hire anyone at their minimum wage rate.

You have an issue with the City of Austin raising the floor for city employee wages?

I believe the current MW is $7.75/hr and nobody is working at that rate. If Burger King and convenience stores can pay more than MW without being forced by law, why can't the City of Austin? What can't they pay lifeguards $22/hr without making it MW? MW is not a ceiling.

I don't see the need to raise the MW in order to pay competitive wages. Is there some law that says they cannot pay more than MW? Everybody else does.

You appear to think the City must pay MW, and so to be competitive they must raise the MW. I think that is incorrect. I think they can pay competitive wages if they want to, same as Burger King

Of course, they are a government bureaucracy run by leftists, so no telling what obstacles they have subjected themselves to.

The City of Austin is not raising anyone else's minimum wage. They're doing exactly what you're suggesting, increasing the pay of city employees to be competitive with other businesses.

They are considering raising the minimum wage of City of Austin municipal jobs, and municipal jobs only.

Currently, the City of Austin minimum wage for municipal employees is set at $15 per hour (above the federal minimum wage). The City of Austin is having trouble finding people to fill city jobs at that wage, so they are looking to increase the minimum age for City of Austin municipal jobs to $22 per hour.

Literally what the City of Austin is doing is increasing the wage for their employees above the federal minimum level, just as you suggest they do...

I'll repeat - this move is NOT requiring any other business is Austin to increase their minimum wage.

Quote:Austin City Council Member Vanessa Fuentes has issued a proposal to raise the minimum wage for City of Austin staff members, according to a report from KVUE's news partners at the Austin American-Statesman.

The resolution, which will be discussed at Thursday's meeting, calls for the minimum wage to be set at $22. Currently, the lowest City of Austin wage is $15.

If the $22 amount is determined unfeasible, the resolution instead calls for whatever increase the city budget would allow. It also does not include "sworn employees" whose pay is determined by separate contracts, such as police officers and firefighters, according to the report.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/...1c2e12de3a
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(06-16-2022 11:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  The City of Austin is not raising anyone else's minimum wage.

Not yet.
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(06-16-2022 11:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:02 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  Read the article - they are raising the minimum wage for City of Austin jobs only. So they are literally doing what you as at the bottom.

Read my question. I will repeat it:

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW?

I am at a loss here…

I guess the City of Austin could keep their current minimum wage, then create a new wage class that is higher and just not hire anyone at their minimum wage rate.

You have an issue with the City of Austin raising the floor for city employee wages?

I believe the current MW is $7.75/hr and nobody is working at that rate. If Burger King and convenience stores can pay more than MW without being forced by law, why can't the City of Austin? What can't they pay lifeguards $22/hr without making it MW? MW is not a ceiling.

I don't see the need to raise the MW in order to pay competitive wages. Is there some law that says they cannot pay more than MW? Everybody else does.

You appear to think the City must pay MW, and so to be competitive they must raise the MW. I think that is incorrect. I think they can pay competitive wages if they want to, same as Burger King

Of course, they are a government bureaucracy run by leftists, so no telling what obstacles they have subjected themselves to.

The City of Austin is not raising anyone else's minimum wage. They're doing exactly what you're suggesting, increasing the pay of city employees to be competitive with other businesses.

They are considering raising the minimum wage of City of Austin municipal jobs, and municipal jobs only.

Currently, the City of Austin minimum wage for municipal employees is set at $15 per hour (above the federal minimum wage). The City of Austin is having trouble finding people to fill city jobs at that wage, so they are looking to increase the minimum age for City of Austin municipal jobs to $22 per hour.

Literally what the City of Austin is doing is increasing the wage for their employees above the federal minimum level, just as you suggest they do...

I'll repeat - this move is NOT requiring any other business is Austin to increase their minimum wage.

Quote:Austin City Council Member Vanessa Fuentes has issued a proposal to raise the minimum wage for City of Austin staff members, according to a report from KVUE's news partners at the Austin American-Statesman.

The resolution, which will be discussed at Thursday's meeting, calls for the minimum wage to be set at $22. Currently, the lowest City of Austin wage is $15.

If the $22 amount is determined unfeasible, the resolution instead calls for whatever increase the city budget would allow. It also does not include "sworn employees" whose pay is determined by separate contracts, such as police officers and firefighters, according to the report.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/...1c2e12de3a

I know you must be busy, but just take a minute to read what I say. You keep explaining to me stuff I already know as though I was advocating something I'm not.

I have always understood this was just for City jobs. What I don't understand is WHY THEY NEED TO RAISE THE MW IN ORDER TO OFFER MORE. Nobody else has to. Are they mandated by their own laws not to pay more than MW?
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(06-16-2022 11:44 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 11:19 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:56 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
(06-16-2022 10:12 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Read my question. I will repeat it:

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW?

I am at a loss here…

I guess the City of Austin could keep their current minimum wage, then create a new wage class that is higher and just not hire anyone at their minimum wage rate.

You have an issue with the City of Austin raising the floor for city employee wages?

I believe the current MW is $7.75/hr and nobody is working at that rate. If Burger King and convenience stores can pay more than MW without being forced by law, why can't the City of Austin? What can't they pay lifeguards $22/hr without making it MW? MW is not a ceiling.

I don't see the need to raise the MW in order to pay competitive wages. Is there some law that says they cannot pay more than MW? Everybody else does.

You appear to think the City must pay MW, and so to be competitive they must raise the MW. I think that is incorrect. I think they can pay competitive wages if they want to, same as Burger King

Of course, they are a government bureaucracy run by leftists, so no telling what obstacles they have subjected themselves to.

The City of Austin is not raising anyone else's minimum wage. They're doing exactly what you're suggesting, increasing the pay of city employees to be competitive with other businesses.

They are considering raising the minimum wage of City of Austin municipal jobs, and municipal jobs only.

Currently, the City of Austin minimum wage for municipal employees is set at $15 per hour (above the federal minimum wage). The City of Austin is having trouble finding people to fill city jobs at that wage, so they are looking to increase the minimum age for City of Austin municipal jobs to $22 per hour.

Literally what the City of Austin is doing is increasing the wage for their employees above the federal minimum level, just as you suggest they do...

I'll repeat - this move is NOT requiring any other business is Austin to increase their minimum wage.

Quote:Austin City Council Member Vanessa Fuentes has issued a proposal to raise the minimum wage for City of Austin staff members, according to a report from KVUE's news partners at the Austin American-Statesman.

The resolution, which will be discussed at Thursday's meeting, calls for the minimum wage to be set at $22. Currently, the lowest City of Austin wage is $15.

If the $22 amount is determined unfeasible, the resolution instead calls for whatever increase the city budget would allow. It also does not include "sworn employees" whose pay is determined by separate contracts, such as police officers and firefighters, according to the report.

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/...1c2e12de3a

I know you must be busy, but just take a minute to read what I say. You keep explaining to me stuff I already know as though I was advocating something I'm not.

I have always understood this was just for City jobs. What I don't understand is WHY THEY NEED TO RAISE THE MW IN ORDER TO OFFER MORE. Nobody else has to. Are they mandated by their own laws not to pay more than MW?

I'm lost at what you're getting at here, as it doesn't logically compute to me; hence me assuming that you're misunderstanding that the minimum wage is not changing for businesses in Austin. Are you advocating for the City of Austin to keep some positions at the current minimum wage ($15), despite the fact that they can't fill them, but selectively raise wages of newer positions to attract talent?

That would potentially create a situation where Joe, who was hired X days ago at $15 per hour is now making less than Mary who was hired tomorrow at $22 per hour to do the same job. What do you think Joe is going to do then?

It sounds like you're advocating for something superficial (which is why I'm saying it doesn't logically compute to me) - keeping the ability to pay people less than $22 per hour, even though the City believes they need to increase their hourly compensation across the board to stay competitive.

To the Burger King analogy, when you see a sign that says "Hourly positions starting at $10 per hour" are you similarly taken aback since they have raised their minimum wage to $10 per hour?
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What I see OO saying (that I agree with) is that companies quite often pay more than the federal, state or local government says they must to attract the talent they want. The 'minimum' wage of a Bucee's employee looks like its around $16. Same for Amazon. McDonald's is around 10 it seems and my local Shell is $12.50.

The problem here is that I don't see 'Life Guard' as a 'minimum wage job'. That job QUITE LITERALLY is there to save people's lives and involves skills and experience beyond the 'minimum'. If you as an employer need more skills than someone with no experience, little education beyond say 10th grade and limited skills, then that too is not a 'minimum wage' job. A minimum wage job, almost by definition is one that almost anyone could do with little training.

What you do when you 'raise' the minimum wage to $15 or whatever is that you create more minimum wage jobs. Not more jobs, just more jobs that pay the least they are allowed. Someone tasked to save your child from drowning is now a minimum wage employee.... almost by your own admission here... no different from the guy who tears tickets at the movie theatre or checks your receipt at WalMart. I don't know what the equivalent jobs for the City of Austin would be, but I hope you know what I mean.... Something much less important and skilled than saving lives.... which I suspect includes specialized training in swimming, CPR, first aid and the like. A $15 min wage will certainly create more supply of people willing to tear tickets at the theatre, but it won't teach anyone to be a life guard... and more importantly, will more than likely result in the elimination of the ticket takers job. The left will say that this creates a job making the 'robot' or whatever replaces them, but by and large those jobs won't be here... and certainly won't be taken by people whose other option was tearing tickets. Their other argument would be that it pushes people up the food chain, and that will happen a bit, yes... but now you've got a guy with the skills and experience to tear tickets being hired as a life guard without the necessary skills or experience.

I feel like this is a circuitous argument made by 'the left'... Not that (other than at the very top) any one individual holds both of these positions, but that depending on the underlying conditions, each side of this coin is argued...

When labor markets are tight as they are now, we need to raise min wages because despite the fact that labor markets are tight and businesses can't find people who will work for those wages, businesses won't raise wages on their own.

When labor markets are loose and lots of people are looking for work, we need to raise minimum wages because those who ARE working can't live on these wages and businesses, suffering from declining profits because of the slow economy won't raise wages on their own.

Either way, the 'rationale' is that we need the government to force businesses to raise wages because businesses are evil and won't respond to market forces.

It seems to me that to the extent we need to do ANYTHING, it would be to decide on the definition of a minimum wage job. To me, that's a job that it takes few skills or training or experience to do. The sort of job that certainly a few adults do, but most often you see a high school kid doing. These are not MEANT to be jobs that you 'live on your own' or 'raise a family' on. They are the sort of jobs where at least PART of what you are 'being paid' is gaining experience and learning skills that you would expect to take to 'the next step' which would at least be 'leading' people with no experience or skills. A bit like an internship. This should be LESS THAN a 'livable' wage... and if for some reason, someone needs to LIVE on it (because of poor economic conditions or handicap or other) then the government can supplement that income through assistance or tax credits or what have you.

Moving forward, the 'minimum wage' could adjust annually by the rate of inflation, or perhaps some measure of 'other' wage inflation (wages other than minimum) with perhaps a 5-10 year 'review' (which would be done 2-5 years before any changes would be made effective)... and again... if the government thinks things have gotten out of whack, they can supplement those incomes for the remaining 2-5 years of the 'contract' while businesses can prepare for the coming hike.

Of course we all know what will happen here... Congress won't agree on what should happen next so we will end up with supplements and delays to these schedules that will align with upcoming elections and make them talking points, so we need to find some way to do away with the ability to skip or accelerate these things.... or perhaps even 'give in' to them...

By that I mean... We pass a min wage of (just for conversation) $8 effective 1/1/2023 with COLA adjustments tied to CPI through 2030... but changes in the rate beyond 2030 must be decided before 2027 (just after the 2026 elections) so that voters can have a say prior to the change, and businesses can have time to prepare for the changes. Should Congress fail to reach an accord, perhaps the current situation will remain for 4 more years, with no ability to change it prior to then. Should something like the pandemic or Bidenflation come into play and it not be easily reflected through the CPI adjustment, congress can vote on a 'stimulus' or what have you if they can't wait.... or maybe we tie increases to say 60% of the 'median' wage... IDK, but something that makes logical sense.
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(06-16-2022 10:25 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  
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(06-16-2022 05:45 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I fail to see how that’s relevant to an organization deciding to increase their minimum wage. Are you also annoyed at Exxon bumping their salaries to stay competitive?

This is not the City of Austin telling companies operating in town to raise their minimum wage. This is the City saying that they are going to try and fix their lifeguard shortage by increasing the pay to $22. They’ve had to close Barton Springs an extra day per week because of staffing issues.

Ah, yes. $22/hour for lifeguards? I guess this is the Texas version of Baywatch.

Certainly, in a competitive job market, it is fine to bid for labor, and pay rates above other people for that labor. How else will they attract that highly skilled labor from Burger King? But there is no reason to raise the MW permanently to compete in a temporarily tight labor market.

Of course, the MW proposal covers all sorts of jobs, not just lifeguards. But how else will a lifeguard be able to buy a house, a couple of cars, put two kids through college, and retire at 65 with a gold watch, if he doesn't get the same money as some recent college grads? People will drown without this, and if it saves even one life, that is priceless.

Of course, when the job market loosens, and the inflation abates, they can always return to lower wages. 03-lmfao

OK, getting serious here - well , a little more serious.

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW? Same as the people who they are trying to attract workers away from?

Read the article - they are raising the minimum wage for City of Austin jobs only. So they are literally doing what you as at the bottom.

Read my question. I will repeat it:

What is stopping Austin from offering competitive wages WITHOUT raising the MW?

I am at a loss here…

I guess the City of Austin could keep their current minimum wage, then create a new wage class that is higher and just not hire anyone at their minimum wage rate.

You have an issue with the City of Austin raising the floor for city employee wages?

I think the concern is that:
(1) the city shouldn't need a new statutory floor in order to raise wages if current market conditions require; and
(2) establishing a new floor makes it hard to reduce wages if future market conditions allow.

Regarding (1): maybe they do need such a floor in order to legally raise wages. I have no idea what Austin city governance requires.
Regarding (2): seems like a valid concern.
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RE: Texas Politics
(06-16-2022 01:19 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  I feel like this is a circuitous argument made by 'the left'... Not that (other than at the very top) any one individual holds both of these positions, but that depending on the underlying conditions, each side of this coin is argued...

When labor markets are tight as they are now, we need to raise min wages because despite the fact that labor markets are tight and businesses can't find people who will work for those wages, businesses won't raise wages on their own.

When labor markets are loose and lots of people are looking for work, we need to raise minimum wages because those who ARE working can't live on these wages and businesses, suffering from declining profits because of the slow economy won't raise wages on their own.

Either way, the 'rationale' is that we need the government to force businesses to raise wages because businesses are evil and won't respond to market forces.

Gosh, it's almost as if the left embraces the same ratchet effect on this topic as they do on spending, taxes, regulation -- namely, that there is always an excuse for increasing, and never a justification for decreasing.

Or like the song says: "And when you ask them how much should we give, the only answer is more, more, more..."
06-16-2022 01:28 PM
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