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Why not just use the 85 person max as the limit and get rid of the 25 per year permanently?

(05-19-2022 07:23 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Why not just use the 85 person max as the limit and get rid of the 25 per year permanently?

Because you'd run into the same issue of teams taking classes of 40+, with 15 of them on grayshirts who inevitably get cut out after a year. Luckily, now, they can transfer out without penalty, but you still don't want teams taking advantage of 17 year olds like that, especially now with the inherent payouts.

(05-19-2022 07:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 07:23 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Why not just use the 85 person max as the limit and get rid of the 25 per year permanently?

Because you'd run into the same issue of teams taking classes of 40+, with 15 of them on grayshirts who inevitably get cut out after a year. Luckily, now, they can transfer out without penalty, but you still don't want teams taking advantage of 17 year olds like that, especially now with the inherent payouts.

Asking, because I don't know. Couldn't they do that anyways, since Gray Shirts don't require scholarships?

(05-19-2022 12:10 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 07:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 07:23 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Why not just use the 85 person max as the limit and get rid of the 25 per year permanently?

Because you'd run into the same issue of teams taking classes of 40+, with 15 of them on grayshirts who inevitably get cut out after a year. Luckily, now, they can transfer out without penalty, but you still don't want teams taking advantage of 17 year olds like that, especially now with the inherent payouts.

Asking, because I don't know. Couldn't they do that anyways, since Gray Shirts don't require scholarships?

It is a gray area, and not one that people want to get too far into. Mainly, schools would find ways to provide certain funding to make school as affordable as possible for that year, as that is perfectly legal as long as they arent using athletic department scholarship funding to pay it.
Pulling the limit stops that from even being an issue, and brings back the days of just being insanely ****** to 19 year olds and cutting them after a year if anyone better comes along, which is far more likely with the portal now in play. I just remember seeing classes of 35+ at places like Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, etc. then there only being like 10-15 left after two years and wondering how many of those others were sold complete dog sh*t to get them there.

Then, if you tie this into NIL, you could see teams just straight up sabotaging other teams recruitment by offering a check, then dumping them after a year. It's going to become incredibly nefarious:

"We don't want Player X to go there, so let's just have the collective write him a $50,000 check instead of a scholarship from our AD, sit him here for a year, then cut him and have him lose a year of development."

Tennessee was the worst about that under Fulmer, but many in the SEC did it over the years. Now that the NIL money is above board and perfectly legal, they can do whatever the hell they want.

(05-19-2022 07:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 07:23 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Why not just use the 85 person max as the limit and get rid of the 25 per year permanently?

Because you'd run into the same issue of teams taking classes of 40+, with 15 of them on grayshirts who inevitably get cut out after a year. Luckily, now, they can transfer out without penalty, but you still don't want teams taking advantage of 17 year olds like that, especially now with the inherent payouts.

I see your point but I just don't see that happening anymore. This isn't the 1970's where kids went to their home town school and were willing to sit for 3 years for a limited chance at playing time their senior year. I'd be surprised if you'd find a talented kid that is willing to grey shirt, then red shirt, then sit for another year or two.

(05-19-2022 12:45 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 12:10 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 07:35 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 07:23 AM)nachoman91 Wrote:  Why not just use the 85 person max as the limit and get rid of the 25 per year permanently?

Because you'd run into the same issue of teams taking classes of 40+, with 15 of them on grayshirts who inevitably get cut out after a year. Luckily, now, they can transfer out without penalty, but you still don't want teams taking advantage of 17 year olds like that, especially now with the inherent payouts.

Asking, because I don't know. Couldn't they do that anyways, since Gray Shirts don't require scholarships?

It is a gray area, and not one that people want to get too far into. Mainly, schools would find ways to provide certain funding to make school as affordable as possible for that year, as that is perfectly legal as long as they arent using athletic department scholarship funding to pay it.
Pulling the limit stops that from even being an issue, and brings back the days of just being insanely ****** to 19 year olds and cutting them after a year if anyone better comes along, which is far more likely with the portal now in play. I just remember seeing classes of 35+ at places like Tennessee, Alabama, South Carolina, etc. then there only being like 10-15 left after two years and wondering how many of those others were sold complete dog sh*t to get them there.

Then, if you tie this into NIL, you could see teams just straight up sabotaging other teams recruitment by offering a check, then dumping them after a year. It's going to become incredibly nefarious:

"We don't want Player X to go there, so let's just have the collective write him a $50,000 check instead of a scholarship from our AD, sit him here for a year, then cut him and have him lose a year of development."

Tennessee was the worst about that under Fulmer, but many in the SEC did it over the years. Now that the NIL money is above board and perfectly legal, they can do whatever the hell they want.

That's really messed up.