The list was written by Dan. He's a UCF grad and he doesn't like Cincinnati. He doesn't really try to hide his bias at all either. He's routinely crapped on Ridder and says he's average. Dan legit said that Ridder was a "system QB" which just shows how little Dan actually knows since UC uses, and Ridder played in, a very pro style offense. He's said that Des didn't go through reads and would run if the first read wasn't open, which is plain false.

(05-19-2022 11:49 AM)Cattidude Wrote:  The list was written by Dan. He's a UCF grad and he doesn't like Cincinnati. He doesn't really try to hide his bias at all either. He's routinely crapped on Ridder and says he's average. Dan legit said that Ridder was a "system QB" which just shows how little Dan actually knows since UC uses, and Ridder played in, a very pro style offense. He's said that Des didn't go through reads and would run if the first read wasn't open, which is plain false.

Hey, that's what Paxton Lynch did. Seriously. And he got drafted in the first round, lol.

I'd go:
1) Flowers - Did more with less than any other QB and was hard to stop
2) Bridgewater - Best overall
3) Bortles - Number 3 pick for a reason
4) Ward
5) Milton/Ridder - Both won a lot of games and didn't lose often

King was overrated.

(05-17-2022 09:03 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 06:59 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Not sure why Desmond Ridder isn't in the top 5

It's ludicrous. 4 year starter who went 44-7...averaged 11 wins in his 4 years even with the shortened Covid year...with 2 straight undefeated regular seasons, 2 straight AAC titles, a NY6 bowl, broke the glass ceiling getting into the CFP and was the second QB drafted this year.

I'm late, but this...all of this.

clt says BORTLES is the boat

The college game is not the NFL. If someone is drafted or not or successful in the NFL or not does not actually impact how good of a college player or what their impact was in the college game.

The most under-performing QB to step onto an AAC field was Gunner Kiel. Yes, he was a transfer, but was a 5 star recruit out of HS. Has any QB had higher accolades and performed less? Did he ever get an NFL invite?

(05-19-2022 08:20 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  The most under-performing QB to step onto an AAC field was Gunner Kiel. Yes, he was a transfer, but was a 5 star recruit out of college. Has any QB had higher accolades and performed less? Did he ever get an NFL invite?

gunner kiel was a passable qb ..if anything its blake barnett

Too lazy to look it up, but I'd be pretty surprised if Carden didn't have a top 5 year statistically in 2014

(05-19-2022 08:20 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  The most under-performing QB to step onto an AAC field was Gunner Kiel. Yes, he was a transfer, but was a 5 star recruit out of college. Has any QB had higher accolades and performed less? Did he ever get an NFL invite?

Going to disagree here. Kiel did OK here at UC. I'm not arguing that he was great and deserves to be on "The Best Ever List," but there's not a lot to hate about him either.

Kiel was hurt...literally...by his own early tendency to act more like a linebacker or fullback than a QB. He took...a lot of it self-inflicted...A LOT of punishment his first season at UC, which would haunt him later on. There were hints and accusations that he had some sort of substance abuse issues, which could well have started with the punishment he took.

But he was also seriously crippled by a dysfunctional Coaching staff...from the HC on down...that never gave him the tools nor the scheme to get and stay healthy. The OL that Kiel played behind was...well...a sieve. "The ol' Riverboat Gambler" made some really...well...puzzling...calls, most of which ended up meaning that Kiel and company were playing deep out of their own territory and in the hole. By the time Munchie Legaux came onto the scene to push Kiel off the field, Kiel was so banged up and wounded that I wouldn't be surprised if he was waking up drenched in sweat every night hearing the footsteps of opposing linebackers closing in on him.

As a Bearcat fan, I give Gunner a "C" for his final grade. Did he "underperform"? I suppose, but I am cynical about most of the "Transfers" from other schools because they're usually flawed products. Gunner left Notre Dame BECAUSE the writing was on the wall. He was an effective starter for UC for two seasons and while he was here we suffered through a terrible Head Coach.

Not really sure what else to say.

(05-19-2022 08:42 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  Too lazy to look it up, but I'd be pretty surprised if Carden didn't have a top 5 year statistically in 2014

depends what stats you value; he is #1 in aac history in passing yard in a single season, not top 5 (or close) in any other stat category.. passing touchdowns, total touchdowns, completion percentage, total ints, td:int ratio, qbr ..or any of the advance passing metrics

He has the most completions in a single season by 60. When you throw that many times obviously you're not going to have the GOAT completion percentage when you have 6,7,8 in coverage every play. Dane Evans and Riley Ferguson are the only two to even come within 500 yards. That's a huge margin.

(05-20-2022 07:06 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  He has the
most completions in a single season by 60. When you throw that many times obviously you're not going to have the GOAT completion percentage when you have 6,7,8 in coverage every play. Dane Evans and Riley Ferguson are the only two to even come within 500 yards. That's a huge margin.

clt says you need to fix your signature, pal. Rice is not good at baseball right now

(05-20-2022 05:03 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(05-20-2022 07:06 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  He has the
most completions in a single season by 60. When you throw that many times obviously you're not going to have the GOAT completion percentage when you have 6,7,8 in coverage every play. Dane Evans and Riley Ferguson are the only two to even come within 500 yards. That's a huge margin.

clt says you need to fix your signature, pal. Rice is not good at baseball right now

Rice is on a current four game win streak, including wins against CUSA and AAC teams.

Not a double digit win streak like some East North Carolina or South North Carolina schools, but pretty solid IMHO.

(05-19-2022 08:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 08:20 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  The most under-performing QB to step onto an AAC field was Gunner Kiel. Yes, he was a transfer, but was a 5 star recruit out of college. Has any QB had higher accolades and performed less? Did he ever get an NFL invite?

Going to disagree here. Kiel did OK here at UC. I'm not arguing that he was great and deserves to be on "The Best Ever List," but there's not a lot to hate about him either.

Kiel was hurt...literally...by his own early tendency to act more like a linebacker or fullback than a QB. He took...a lot of it self-inflicted...A LOT of punishment his first season at UC, which would haunt him later on. There were hints and accusations that he had some sort of substance abuse issues, which could well have started with the punishment he took.

But he was also seriously crippled by a dysfunctional Coaching staff...from the HC on down...that never gave him the tools nor the scheme to get and stay healthy. The OL that Kiel played behind was...well...a sieve. "The ol' Riverboat Gambler" made some really...well...puzzling...calls, most of which ended up meaning that Kiel and company were playing deep out of their own territory and in the hole. By the time Munchie Legaux came onto the scene to push Kiel off the field, Kiel was so banged up and wounded that I wouldn't be surprised if he was waking up drenched in sweat every night hearing the footsteps of opposing linebackers closing in on him.

As a Bearcat fan, I give Gunner a "C" for his final grade. Did he "underperform"? I suppose, but I am cynical about most of the "Transfers" from other schools because they're usually flawed products. Gunner left Notre Dame BECAUSE the writing was on the wall. He was an effective starter for UC for two seasons and while he was here we suffered through a terrible Head Coach.

Not really sure what else to say.

Gunner's story is absolutely unfortunate. He's probably the most talented QB to come through UC in my lifetime. I think he was a NFL type talent. I wish Luke would have had a chance with him.

(05-17-2022 04:48 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2022/5/1...conference

1. McKenzie Milton - UCF
2. Quinton Flowers - South Florida
3. D’Eriq King - Houston
4. Keenan Reynolds - Navy
5. Blake Bortles - UCF

Honorable Mentions:
Shane Carden (ECU), Desmond Ridder (Cincinnati), Greg Ward (Houston), Malcolm Perry (Navy), Dillon Gabriel (UCF), Brady White (Memphis), Dane Evans (Tulsa), P.J. Walker (Temple), Paxton Lynch (Memphis), Ben Hicks (SMU), Shane Buechele (SMU), Riley Ferguson (Memphis), Teddy Bridgewater (Louisville), Davis Brin (Tulsa)

I think the list is pretty good honestly. I'd keep them the same but replace Keenan Reynolds with Ridder or Carden. Definitely think Milton should be number one. Guy was simply amazing when healthy. He had the X factor. Flowers was USFs GOAT too. He willed them to win games.

Personally I would have Dane Evans much higher on the list from Tulsa. I don't think he was utilized to his full potential. I would be hesitant to put him in top 5 but I could see him hovering around 5-7 area.

(05-23-2022 09:06 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 08:57 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-19-2022 08:20 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  The most under-performing QB to step onto an AAC field was Gunner Kiel. Yes, he was a transfer, but was a 5 star recruit out of college. Has any QB had higher accolades and performed less? Did he ever get an NFL invite?

Going to disagree here. Kiel did OK here at UC. I'm not arguing that he was great and deserves to be on "The Best Ever List," but there's not a lot to hate about him either.

Kiel was hurt...literally...by his own early tendency to act more like a linebacker or fullback than a QB. He took...a lot of it self-inflicted...A LOT of punishment his first season at UC, which would haunt him later on. There were hints and accusations that he had some sort of substance abuse issues, which could well have started with the punishment he took.

But he was also seriously crippled by a dysfunctional Coaching staff...from the HC on down...that never gave him the tools nor the scheme to get and stay healthy. The OL that Kiel played behind was...well...a sieve. "The ol' Riverboat Gambler" made some really...well...puzzling...calls, most of which ended up meaning that Kiel and company were playing deep out of their own territory and in the hole. By the time Munchie Legaux came onto the scene to push Kiel off the field, Kiel was so banged up and wounded that I wouldn't be surprised if he was waking up drenched in sweat every night hearing the footsteps of opposing linebackers closing in on him.

As a Bearcat fan, I give Gunner a "C" for his final grade. Did he "underperform"? I suppose, but I am cynical about most of the "Transfers" from other schools because they're usually flawed products. Gunner left Notre Dame BECAUSE the writing was on the wall. He was an effective starter for UC for two seasons and while he was here we suffered through a terrible Head Coach.

Not really sure what else to say.

Gunner's story is absolutely unfortunate. He's probably the most talented QB to come through UC in my lifetime. I think he was a NFL type talent. I wish Luke would have had a chance with him.

This. Lousy coaching and injuries slowed him down. He had a solid career and would not be "over rated" except for the 5 star shadow.

(05-20-2022 05:03 PM)ghostofclt! Wrote:  

(05-20-2022 07:06 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  He has the
most completions in a single season by 60. When you throw that many times obviously you're not going to have the GOAT completion percentage when you have 6,7,8 in coverage every play. Dane Evans and Riley Ferguson are the only two to even come within 500 yards. That's a huge margin.

clt says you need to fix your signature, pal. Rice is not good at baseball right now

Fix your face