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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 11:09 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
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(05-16-2022 03:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I caught part of it. He said we will be hearing shortly how financing the Liberty Bowl upgrades will work. The host said something like it would be ridiculous to announce this and I have any idea about money. Strickland said "good guess." Added that if the school did not have a good idea where the money was coming from they would not make the announcement. Strickland said the timing the upgrade completion was very important. Added that one of the factors was the amount of time it would take to acquire land, plan, finance, and construct a new on-campus stadium (total about 10 years) versus the time it would take to upgrade the Liberty Bowl (2025). S Strickland also added that what Memphis plans to do will be a lot like what the Bearcats did with their 100 year old stadium. Like I said I only heard part of the interview.....Anybody hear anything else?

Believe that 10 years projection is a pipe dream. I believe it would've been closer to 20 years with all the lawsuits.

Maybe, but 10 or 20- the difference is really academic. The point I think Strickland was making was that 10 years, 20 years, isn't 2025. Of course, that was just one of the factors mention, but probably a significant one..at least I hope so.

So the 10-year estimate based on acquiring land that we don't have yet? I can see where that might be a delay and a problem. Of course I think the biggest problem is simply the 400 million-dollar cost.... and that will turn into God knows how much more in 10 years. The giant elephant blocking the door.

I wonder where they thought about putting it if they had to acquire land? Between Highland and Patterson?

If it was over the the library and engineering crossing over zach curling then wouldn't the university already own the land?

Could they have been thinking across Southern? Or maybe off of Patterson between Poplar and Central behind the Holiday Inn?

I don't think they were thinking of anything at all and just pulled a number out of their ass. They never wanted it on campus.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 08:24 AM)Claw Wrote:  
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(05-16-2022 03:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I caught part of it. He said we will be hearing shortly how financing the Liberty Bowl upgrades will work. The host said something like it would be ridiculous to announce this and I have any idea about money. Strickland said "good guess." Added that if the school did not have a good idea where the money was coming from they would not make the announcement. Strickland said the timing the upgrade completion was very important. Added that one of the factors was the amount of time it would take to acquire land, plan, finance, and construct a new on-campus stadium (total about 10 years) versus the time it would take to upgrade the Liberty Bowl (2025). S Strickland also added that what Memphis plans to do will be a lot like what the Bearcats did with their 100 year old stadium. Like I said I only heard part of the interview.....Anybody hear anything else?

Believe that 10 years projection is a pipe dream. I believe it would've been closer to 20 years with all the lawsuits.

Maybe, but 10 or 20- the difference is really academic. The point I think Strickland was making was that 10 years, 20 years, isn't 2025. Of course, that was just one of the factors mention, but probably a significant one..at least I hope so.

So the 10-year estimate based on acquiring land that we don't have yet? I can see where that might be a delay and a problem. Of course I think the biggest problem is simply the 400 million-dollar cost.... and that will turn into God knows how much more in 10 years. The giant elephant blocking the door.

There going to spend 200 million to rebuild half the Liberty Bowl. If they do the other half, guess what 2 X 200 million is? Yep. 400 million kids. It's a shell game.

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(05-17-2022 10:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Just wait until the city chooses un- and under qualified contractors and doesn’t go with the lowest bid. Wouldn’t be a city of Memphis project if they didn’t do that.

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(05-17-2022 11:20 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 10:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Just wait until the city chooses un- and under qualified contractors and doesn’t go with the lowest bid. Wouldn’t be a city of Memphis project if they didn’t do that.

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Yeah they ain't pullin' a name off Angie's List.

Mortenson who built the FEF is an ENR top 20 contractor and has over 5Bil in revenue.

That dude is talking out his bonkus.
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(05-17-2022 11:34 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:20 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 10:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Just wait until the city chooses un- and under qualified contractors and doesn’t go with the lowest bid. Wouldn’t be a city of Memphis project if they didn’t do that.

Link?

Yeah they ain't pullin' a name off Angie's List.

Mortenson who built the FEF is an ENR top 20 contractor and has over 5Bil in revenue.

That dude is talking out his bonkus.

I'm still wishing I could have bid on the parks - Health Sciences Park and Memphis Park. They sold for $1k each.

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...960707001/

Not sure how anyone can "trust" anything this city's government is involved in.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 11:34 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:20 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 10:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Just wait until the city chooses un- and under qualified contractors and doesn’t go with the lowest bid. Wouldn’t be a city of Memphis project if they didn’t do that.

Link?

Yeah they ain't pullin' a name off Angie's List.

Mortenson who built the FEF is an ENR top 20 contractor and has over 5Bil in revenue.

That dude is talking out his bonkus.

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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 12:40 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:34 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:20 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 10:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Just wait until the city chooses un- and under qualified contractors and doesn’t go with the lowest bid. Wouldn’t be a city of Memphis project if they didn’t do that.

Link?

Yeah they ain't pullin' a name off Angie's List.

Mortenson who built the FEF is an ENR top 20 contractor and has over 5Bil in revenue.

That dude is talking out his bonkus.

Autozone Park
FedEx Forum
IPF
Laurie Walton Center

IKR? People will say anything, no matter how ridiculous it is.
I seem to recall a missing level in the FedEx forum parking garage. Was that it?

Things happen whether you want to admit it or not. They happen every single day.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 11:09 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 08:22 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(05-16-2022 09:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-16-2022 07:55 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(05-16-2022 03:27 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  I caught part of it. He said we will be hearing shortly how financing the Liberty Bowl upgrades will work. The host said something like it would be ridiculous to announce this and I have any idea about money. Strickland said "good guess." Added that if the school did not have a good idea where the money was coming from they would not make the announcement. Strickland said the timing the upgrade completion was very important. Added that one of the factors was the amount of time it would take to acquire land, plan, finance, and construct a new on-campus stadium (total about 10 years) versus the time it would take to upgrade the Liberty Bowl (2025). S Strickland also added that what Memphis plans to do will be a lot like what the Bearcats did with their 100 year old stadium. Like I said I only heard part of the interview.....Anybody hear anything else?

Believe that 10 years projection is a pipe dream. I believe it would've been closer to 20 years with all the lawsuits.

Maybe, but 10 or 20- the difference is really academic. The point I think Strickland was making was that 10 years, 20 years, isn't 2025. Of course, that was just one of the factors mention, but probably a significant one..at least I hope so.

So the 10-year estimate based on acquiring land that we don't have yet? I can see where that might be a delay and a problem. Of course I think the biggest problem is simply the 400 million-dollar cost.... and that will turn into God knows how much more in 10 years. The giant elephant blocking the door.

I wonder where they thought about putting it if they had to acquire land? Between Highland and Patterson?

If it was over the the library and engineering crossing over zach curling then wouldn't the university already own the land?

Could they have been thinking across Southern? Or maybe off of Patterson between Poplar and Central behind the Holiday Inn?

While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.
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(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:09 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 08:22 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(05-16-2022 09:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-16-2022 07:55 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Believe that 10 years projection is a pipe dream. I believe it would've been closer to 20 years with all the lawsuits.

Maybe, but 10 or 20- the difference is really academic. The point I think Strickland was making was that 10 years, 20 years, isn't 2025. Of course, that was just one of the factors mention, but probably a significant one..at least I hope so.

So the 10-year estimate based on acquiring land that we don't have yet? I can see where that might be a delay and a problem. Of course I think the biggest problem is simply the 400 million-dollar cost.... and that will turn into God knows how much more in 10 years. The giant elephant blocking the door.

I wonder where they thought about putting it if they had to acquire land? Between Highland and Patterson?

If it was over the the library and engineering crossing over zach curling then wouldn't the university already own the land?

Could they have been thinking across Southern? Or maybe off of Patterson between Poplar and Central behind the Holiday Inn?

While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 12:43 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:40 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:34 AM)poppaslaw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:20 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 10:36 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  Just wait until the city chooses un- and under qualified contractors and doesn’t go with the lowest bid. Wouldn’t be a city of Memphis project if they didn’t do that.

Link?

Yeah they ain't pullin' a name off Angie's List.

Mortenson who built the FEF is an ENR top 20 contractor and has over 5Bil in revenue.

That dude is talking out his bonkus.

Autozone Park
FedEx Forum
IPF
Laurie Walton Center

IKR? People will say anything, no matter how ridiculous it is.
I seem to recall a missing level in the FedEx forum parking garage. Was that it?

Things happen whether you want to admit it or not. They happen every single day.

Council Members Want Investigation Into FedExForum Garage
6.13.2006







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For Probe Into FedExForum Funding
Three Memphis City Council members yesterday called for a federal investigation into the FedExForum parking garage, as well as “all other aspects of public spending on the arena project,” according to David Williams of the Memphis COMMERCIAL APPEAL. The garage was built with $20M in federal funds and was supposed to be a not-for-profit park-and-ride facility, but a “traditional profit-making parking garage was built and then operated by the Grizzlies.” A Tennessee DOT (TDOT) report said that the city of Memphis and the Memphis Arena Public Building Authority “‘tailored’ drawings and plans to qualify for government funding” and then built a different structure. TDOT Commissioner Gerald Nicely said that blame “could be pointed at ‘everyone involved, because of the rush to get the project on the ground.’” Williams notes the project is no longer eligible for federal funds, so the state “essentially is taking over the $20[M] funding obligation,” which allows the team to continue operating the garage for profit. City Council member Myron Lowery said, “We’re looking for the protection of the federal government to make sure that taxpayer dollars were spent the way they should have been spent -– indeed, not only for the parking garage, but for this entire facility” (Memphis COMMERCIAL APPEAL, 6/13).
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:09 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 08:22 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(05-16-2022 09:16 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Maybe, but 10 or 20- the difference is really academic. The point I think Strickland was making was that 10 years, 20 years, isn't 2025. Of course, that was just one of the factors mention, but probably a significant one..at least I hope so.

So the 10-year estimate based on acquiring land that we don't have yet? I can see where that might be a delay and a problem. Of course I think the biggest problem is simply the 400 million-dollar cost.... and that will turn into God knows how much more in 10 years. The giant elephant blocking the door.

I wonder where they thought about putting it if they had to acquire land? Between Highland and Patterson?

If it was over the the library and engineering crossing over zach curling then wouldn't the university already own the land?

Could they have been thinking across Southern? Or maybe off of Patterson between Poplar and Central behind the Holiday Inn?

While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 12:43 PM)Claw Wrote:  Things happen whether you want to admit it or not. They happen every single day.

Stammers knows even less about local area construction than he does about conf realignment. But, nah, that sort of thing never happens in Memphis and Shelby Co -

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...228541002/
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(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:09 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 08:22 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  So the 10-year estimate based on acquiring land that we don't have yet? I can see where that might be a delay and a problem. Of course I think the biggest problem is simply the 400 million-dollar cost.... and that will turn into God knows how much more in 10 years. The giant elephant blocking the door.

I wonder where they thought about putting it if they had to acquire land? Between Highland and Patterson?

If it was over the the library and engineering crossing over zach curling then wouldn't the university already own the land?

Could they have been thinking across Southern? Or maybe off of Patterson between Poplar and Central behind the Holiday Inn?

While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 11:09 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  I wonder where they thought about putting it if they had to acquire land? Between Highland and Patterson?

If it was over the the library and engineering crossing over zach curling then wouldn't the university already own the land?

Could they have been thinking across Southern? Or maybe off of Patterson between Poplar and Central behind the Holiday Inn?

While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

The people with the money have NEVER wanted to pay for an OCS. Except for Harold Byrd that one time. I don’t get what your point is.
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(05-17-2022 01:19 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

The people with the money have NEVER wanted to pay for an OCS. Except for Harold Byrd that one time. I don’t get what your point is.
I agree with you.

My point is this. When they say the OCS wasn't a viable option because they would have needed $400 million for land acquisition, they are conveniently ignoring the fact that they have failed to plan for or acquire land for an OCS at ANY point in the past.

They act like they put some big effort into it and found out it would cost too much. That's bull. They never wanted it. Never planned for it. And didn't make a legitimate effort to do it this time either.

Those new to this all believe the fairy tale they are spinning. To me it is a bald-faced lie. I have lost all respect for the new cast of characters just like I had for the previous cast.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 01:19 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:46 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  While I was listening they didn't mention anything specific but I do recall that Strickland... or maybe the host... said that the options were more limited than they were... Because of all the new construction around campus and on campus.

Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

The people with the money have NEVER wanted to pay for an OCS. Except for Harold Byrd that one time. I don’t get what your point is.

Which seems to really upset the people without the money.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 01:56 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:19 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:12 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:07 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:55 PM)Claw Wrote:  Meaning, because they have failed to plan for an OCS EVER and never had any intention of doing so. May they rot.

All sorts of schmucks exist in this world. One of the biggest ones is in this thread.

I invite you to share with the group ANY copy of a campus master plan that has ever designated a site for an on campus stadium. I've followed the plans for years via this board. I assure you, it was never planned, and that was not an oversight.

The people with the money have NEVER wanted to pay for an OCS. Except for Harold Byrd that one time. I don’t get what your point is.

Which seems to really upset the people without the money.

That is such a great post.
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RE: Mayor Strickland interview 98.9
(05-17-2022 01:08 PM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 12:43 PM)Claw Wrote:  Things happen whether you want to admit it or not. They happen every single day.

Stammers knows even less about local area construction than he does about conf realignment. But, nah, that sort of thing never happens in Memphis and Shelby Co -

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/n...228541002/

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(05-17-2022 10:39 AM)Claw Wrote:  Nothing says Power 5 Conference university like the town Mayor controlling your business.

Nippert $86 million renovation to 38,000 seats
Houston $128 million new stadium
UCF $74 million in today's dollars

Memphis $200 million renovation will turn off the P5.

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(05-17-2022 01:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-17-2022 01:19 PM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  The people with the money have NEVER wanted to pay for an OCS. Except for Harold Byrd that one time. I don’t get what your point is.
I agree with you.

My point is this. When they say the OCS wasn't a viable option because they would have needed $400 million for land acquisition, they are conveniently ignoring the fact that they have failed to plan for or acquire land for an OCS at ANY point in the past.

They act like they put some big effort into it and found out it would cost too much. That's bull. They never wanted it. Never planned for it. And didn't make a legitimate effort to do it this time either.

Those new to this all believe the fairy tale they are spinning. To me it is a bald-faced lie. I have lost all respect for the new cast of characters just like I had for the previous cast.

Not at all. I think they had finally gotten the university to a point with the R1 designation where they had some leverage to ask the state for funds. Prior to now, they really didn't have a leg to stand on with that.

I don't disagree that Raines & RC didn't want it & didn't want to plan for it, because Raines didn't get the importance of athletics in college landscape.

However, it's not "failing to plan." You don't throw a stadium on a master plan just because it would be nice to have & a small group of fans/alums want it. Pieces have to line up in order to do it, and I think it's obvious that they made moves toward that in the past decade.

Rudd had his own objective with the R1 designation and wanted to build up athletics in order to get it to a point where a P5 would even look at us seriously, which could then justify the expense - both of those were accomplished under his watch.

Which gets us to now...the pandemic put the UofM in a very rough spot financially, so there's no way you can justify spending the $$ it would require in today's real estate market to acquire the land that the university doesn't already own. They desperately need more student housing over a new stadium, so choices had to be made in regards to land use that they already own.
(This post was last modified: 05-17-2022 03:09 PM by tigergreen.)
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