(05-13-2022 01:16 PM)danny1 Wrote:  Would I prefer an on campus stadium? Yes. Do I understand that the option was explored and the cost was found to be way more than we could reasonably raise? Yes. Do I think the proposed upgrades to The Liberty Bowl are exciting and a huge improvement overvwhat we have now? Yes. Do I think it demonstrates a commitment to our football program? Yes. Do I think better days and a better conference await us in the future? Yes.

Do I chose to get behind this project as opposed to griping and complaining about not getting my way with an OCS? Yes.

Bottom line - I do trust our major boosters and current leadership at our University to make what they deem to be the best choice to move our athletic program forward. I do not believe that we would propose this type of investment in The Liberty Bowl without knowledge that others will view this as demonstrating a major commitment to our football program.

Lastly - the renovations look great and I think the renovated stadium will be a kick ass place to go watch the Tigers!!

This.

(05-13-2022 01:16 PM)danny1 Wrote:  Would I prefer an on campus stadium? Yes. Do I understand that the option was explored and the cost was found to be way more than we could reasonably raise? Yes. Do I think the proposed upgrades to The Liberty Bowl are exciting and a huge improvement overvwhat we have now? Yes. Do I think it demonstrates a commitment to our football program? Yes. Do I think better days and a better conference await us in the future? Yes.

Do I chose to get behind this project as opposed to griping and complaining about not getting my way with an OCS? Yes.

Bottom line - I do trust our major boosters and current leadership at our University to make what they deem to be the best choice to move our athletic program forward. I do not believe that we would propose this type of investment in The Liberty Bowl without knowledge that others will view this as demonstrating a major commitment to our football program.

Lastly - the renovations look great and I think the renovated stadium will be a kick ass place to go watch the Tigers!!

yep

Keep in mind you aren't going to get that picture.

I believe they only plan on doing the west side of the picture .

There is no secured funding.

There are no completed architectural plans.

No contract bids.

And a completion date they couldn't meet if all of that was in place today.

I don't see how any of you can buy into something that is just a drawing. That is literally all it is.

(05-13-2022 01:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Keep in mind you aren't going to get that picture.

I believe they only plan on doing the west side of the picture .

There is no secured funding.

There are no completed architectural plans.

No contract bids.

And a completion date they couldn't meet if all of that was in place today.

I don't see how any of you can buy into something that is just a drawing. That is literally all it is.

And a squirrel ate my hosta plant, Claw. Damn bro.... you is negative Nelly, for real.

(05-13-2022 02:12 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 01:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Keep in mind you aren't going to get that picture.

I believe they only plan on doing the west side of the picture .

There is no secured funding.

There are no completed architectural plans.

No contract bids.

And a completion date they couldn't meet if all of that was in place today.

I don't see how any of you can buy into something that is just a drawing. That is literally all it is.

And a squirrel ate my hosta plant, Claw. Damn bro.... you is negative Nelly, for real.

Watch the damn video and LISTEN to what they actually say. This is the reality of things, not my dream.

(05-13-2022 01:16 PM)danny1 Wrote:  Would I prefer an on campus stadium? Yes. Do I understand that the option was explored and the cost was found to be way more than we could reasonably raise? Yes. Do I think the proposed upgrades to The Liberty Bowl are exciting and a huge improvement overvwhat we have now? Yes. Do I think it demonstrates a commitment to our football program? Yes. Do I think better days and a better conference await us in the future? Yes.

Do I chose to get behind this project as opposed to griping and complaining about not getting my way with an OCS? Yes.

Bottom line - I do trust our major boosters and current leadership at our University to make what they deem to be the best choice to move our athletic program forward. I do not believe that we would propose this type of investment in The Liberty Bowl without knowledge that others will view this as demonstrating a major commitment to our football program.

Lastly - the renovations look great and I think the renovated stadium will be a kick ass place to go watch the Tigers!!

winner winner chicken dinner.

(05-13-2022 01:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Keep in mind you aren't going to get that picture.

I believe they only plan on doing the west side of the picture .

There is no secured funding.

There are no completed architectural plans.

No contract bids.

And a completion date they couldn't meet if all of that was in place today.

I don't see how any of you can buy into something that is just a drawing. That is literally all it is.

Am in the business of architecture and design. I have done my share of architectural renderings. I have seen how they work in action first-hand. Sometimes I draw one so pretty, it's criminal.

(05-13-2022 02:17 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 02:12 PM)tigerfan39 Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 01:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Keep in mind you aren't going to get that picture.

I believe they only plan on doing the west side of the picture .

There is no secured funding.

There are no completed architectural plans.

No contract bids.

And a completion date they couldn't meet if all of that was in place today.

I don't see how any of you can buy into something that is just a drawing. That is literally all it is.

And a squirrel ate my hosta plant, Claw. Damn bro.... you is negative Nelly, for real.

Watch the damn video and LISTEN to what they actually say. This is the reality of things, not my dream.

I understand where you are coming from, Claw. Historically speaking, we’ve seen the pretty pictures and heard the carefully prepared scripts recited by the talking heads in play before. I consider myself a logically thinking realist, and that amount of effort in that amount of time is dubious at best. And, when the rubber meets the road, how much do they end up doing when the real cost estimates come rolling in and timelines are squeezed? The pictures and video are great publicity and a dream of what could be almost perfect (just short of a new OCS), but let’s see what we ultimately end up with.

Go Tigers Go!

(05-13-2022 10:46 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 06:12 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  Most of yall must be politicians ---I have never seen as much crawfishin/backpedaling/flipflopping/mindchanging

For months posters have proclaimed that if we don't build an OCS then we are doomed--that the big 12 will not come calling .

For months posters proclaimed that we were a lock for the big 12---heck some even suggested the acc or big 10 may come calling.

When the news broke that we were not #2 on everyone's list----posters stated that it must be because of no OCS---even though they knew that when they thought we were #2 on everybodys list-

For months posters have proclaimed that we needed to build a tiny 30-40K seat mickey mouse stadium----thus limiting the number of fans that could watch our beloved TIGERS play----they proclaimed that MEMPHIS needed less fans at games LOL---incredible really

So now the news that there will be no OCS---and some of those same posters are saying that the new designed MEMPHIS MEMORIAL STADIUM will be so great that we will now get an invite --really are you all happyclappers----do any of you ever think the university/coaches can make a mistake----why all of a sudden the OCS don't matter ?

I have been on record long before we were not chosen last year--that the stadium had/has ZERO bearing on inclusion in the big 12----it however mattered not to me if we built one or stayed at MMS--I just wanted it big enough

The new renovated stadium will be in excess of 50K which is what I have maintained it needed to be --I was demonized and laughed at for suggesting that it be at least 50K 150k.

I hope we get selected in the next go round ---but this stadium still will have no bearing just like an OCS wouldn't have-----I think they made the correct choice--a no brainer really ---it looks great and I cant wait to see it

FYP

LOL--OK maybe LOL

(05-13-2022 08:14 AM)Claw Wrote:  The University made the same choice that it has made for the last 100 years - again.

We got to where we are now by hitching our wagon to the city's stadium for 100 years.

If you like where we are now, then fine. I don't.

Yep! Same as it ever was.

Too early to say.

I am definitely in the OCS camp. But, in the end, I think this is the best we can do. We scraped for years to pay for an IPF. I just don’t think they can get the funding.

I have to say the renderings look great. 150-200 million is a huge renovation. The goal is for the stadium to be finished before the start of the 2025 season. That’s pretty ambitious and I think it’s way before an OCS could be completed. I think timeframes were a big part of the equation.

All in all, I think they’ve done the best they can with what’s available. And nothing wrong with improving the city too. I like the fairgrounds concept. Hopefully with the area will improve and some restaurants/bars will be built that will improve the game day experience. Bulldoze the MSC while we’re at it.

I’m not sure it’s enough for Big 12 membership. I’m not sure an OCS would be either. But it appeared to be an issue last time, and we’re showing huge commitment to our program. A little disappointed that we’re not building the OCS, but I like that we’re taking action to address our stadium issue.

Now we need to keep winning games. I believe the rest will fall in line eventually. The Big 12 will probably implode and the remainder will look much like the current American. And that’s pretty damn good.

Should be a much improved stadium. Go tigers!

Piece of crap last minute, last ditch effort.

Enjoy the west side. The east side will never get done.

Embarrassing.

(05-13-2022 08:14 AM)Claw Wrote:  The University made the same choice that it has made for the last 100 years - again.

We got to where we are now by hitching our wagon to the city's stadium for 100 years.

If you like where we are now, then fine. I don't.

The last 7-9 years have been the best stretch of years I can remember as a Tiger fan. I loved the Deangelo years, and both Rip and Stobart gave us some great individual wins, but we are in uncharted territory as far as sustained success. Anybody that doesn't like where we are now doesn't grasp what a successful program we have going.

(05-15-2022 07:25 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 08:14 AM)Claw Wrote:  The University made the same choice that it has made for the last 100 years - again.

We got to where we are now by hitching our wagon to the city's stadium for 100 years.

If you like where we are now, then fine. I don't.

The last 7-9 years have been the best stretch of years I can remember as a Tiger fan. I loved the Deangelo years, and both Rip and Stobart gave us some great individual wins, but we are in uncharted territory as far as sustained success. Anybody that doesn't like where we are now doesn't grasp what a successful program we have going.

We are winning games in a conference that doesn't count.

It's nice to be winning, but look at reality.

(05-15-2022 07:31 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(05-15-2022 07:25 PM)gotohellolemiss Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 08:14 AM)Claw Wrote:  The University made the same choice that it has made for the last 100 years - again.

We got to where we are now by hitching our wagon to the city's stadium for 100 years.

If you like where we are now, then fine. I don't.

The last 7-9 years have been the best stretch of years I can remember as a Tiger fan. I loved the Deangelo years, and both Rip and Stobart gave us some great individual wins, but we are in uncharted territory as far as sustained success. Anybody that doesn't like where we are now doesn't grasp what a successful program we have going.

We are winning games in a conference that doesn't count.

It's nice to be winning, but look at reality.

So I guess we reject a bid to the PAC-12 if they come calling? They've had 2 teams make the playoff. Or what remains of the Big12? Do you know the only team to make the playoff in the revised Big 12? Hint: they're currently in our conference.
But conference aside - being better than Ole Miss, Miss St, UCLA face to face, plus being better than UT and Arkansas over the last 5-7 years has been awesome. Half my life we beat teams without being in a conference, why does our conference make what we are doing less of an accomplishment?

I keep saying a 12 team football championship tournament is bigger and better than an invite to a p5 conference. The renovated Liberty Stadium would be a great place for a Tiger first round home game in that tournament.

(05-13-2022 01:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Keep in mind you aren't going to get that picture.

I believe they only plan on doing the west side of the picture .

There is no secured funding.

There are no completed architectural plans.

No contract bids.

And a completion date they couldn't meet if all of that was in place today.

I don't see how any of you can buy into something that is just a drawing. That is literally all it is.

The renderings don’t show much being done to the east side. Just a partial deconstruction of the suite tower to convert it into outdoor party decks and a cover over it with lights. Compared to all the demo and new construction on the west side, a relatively small share of the project cost, or impact.

If you think this proposal is just vapor, why you are complaining about it so much? I mean, if it’s not really going to happen this way then who knows, maybe you will get your beloved OCS after all.

(05-16-2022 12:12 AM)CRM114 Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 01:53 PM)Claw Wrote:  Keep in mind you aren't going to get that picture.

I believe they only plan on doing the west side of the picture .

There is no secured funding.

There are no completed architectural plans.

No contract bids.

And a completion date they couldn't meet if all of that was in place today.

I don't see how any of you can buy into something that is just a drawing. That is literally all it is.

The renderings don’t show much being done to the east side. Just a partial deconstruction of the suite tower to convert it into outdoor party decks and a cover over it with lights. Compared to all the demo and new construction on the west side, a relatively small share of the project cost, or impact.

If you think this proposal is just vapor, why you are complaining about it so much? I mean, if it’s not really going to happen this way then who knows, maybe you will get your beloved OCS after all.

Yes I am complaining about not getting an OCS.

However, the enthusiasm over this design baffles me, not because it's bad, but because it doesn't really exist. It's just an artist's rendering. They said themselves the design is fluid and that there are no final plans. I wouldn't trust them to deliver every single thing they promised anyway, but in fairness, with today's skyrocketing costs none of us should be surprised when corners have to be cut.

That all boils down to this. When you see what they can actually deliver at the Liberty Bowl, will that be worth never having an OCS? I hope you are all happy with the final result.

I think there is a real case for slowing down, planning big, and waiting for better economic conditions.

(05-13-2022 01:16 PM)danny1 Wrote:  Would I prefer an on campus stadium? Yes. Do I understand that the option was explored and the cost was found to be way more than we could reasonably raise? Yes. Do I think the proposed upgrades to The Liberty Bowl are exciting and a huge improvement overvwhat we have now? Yes. Do I think it demonstrates a commitment to our football program? Yes. Do I think better days and a better conference await us in the future? Yes.

Do I chose to get behind this project as opposed to griping and complaining about not getting my way with an OCS? Yes.

Bottom line - I do trust our major boosters and current leadership at our University to make what they deem to be the best choice to move our athletic program forward. I do not believe that we would propose this type of investment in The Liberty Bowl without knowledge that others will view this as demonstrating a major commitment to our football program.

Lastly - the renovations look great and I think the renovated stadium will be a kick ass place to go watch the Tigers!!

Agree 110%.