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RE: Liberty Bowl expansion reactions from around the Internet
(05-14-2022 04:01 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 01:35 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 12:35 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 03:07 PM)Claw Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 03:04 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  thats a stupid question and you know better.

First of all, any talk against the plans that are GOING to happen is stupid and counter productive.

Second , the question to own or rent is based on options. Personally - Do you own or rent the place you go to on vacation? --Most people Rent-- are they fools? of course not... they might be unable to afford a second home and they may think it is a waste of resources to spend a lot of money and effort on a place you only use 7 days per year.

BTW-- does FedEx Corporation OWN or Rent their headquarters?
Do the Grizzlies OWN or Rent their Stadium?

Here is a hint to the first question:

Click here for FDX Corp Headquarters Assossor information
It's NOT a stupid question. Why would you renew your lease when the landlord wants YOU to pay for $200 million in improvements? You don't.

Bad hint. Not FedEx Headquarters.

Good hint:

ACTUAL FedEx Headquarters

Yes, FedEx does own their HQ, all $235 Million of it.

The headquarters of FDX Corp is not on Winchester,


Fred Smith and those guys offices at on Shady Grove.

The fact that they own the operations Headquaters for FedExExpress on Winchester further emphasizes my point that whether to own or rent is based on options and circumstances- there is no one size firsts all answer. FedEx follows this as do most businesses that are rational

Wrong. Look at the sign at the corner of Winchester/Hacks. It says “World Headquarters “. The Shady Grove building is officially known as FedEx Corp. Executive Offices.

first of all what difference does it make, FedEx biggest executives work out of a rented building is the point..

you need to tell the inerweb this -- they all think the HQ of Fedex is on shady Grove

chttps://finance.yahoo.com/quote/FDX/profile?p=FDX
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RE: Liberty Bowl expansion reactions from around the Internet
the execs use to be in building A at hack cross

then they moved to shady grove, the corporate headquarters
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So if the Big12 were in fact wanting to see campus facilities, we should have used the ole FedEx office space argument. Hindsight.
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RE: Liberty Bowl expansion reactions from around the Internet
(05-14-2022 04:51 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 04:01 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 01:35 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 12:35 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 03:07 PM)Claw Wrote:  It's NOT a stupid question. Why would you renew your lease when the landlord wants YOU to pay for $200 million in improvements? You don't.

Bad hint. Not FedEx Headquarters.

Good hint:

ACTUAL FedEx Headquarters

Yes, FedEx does own their HQ, all $235 Million of it.

The headquarters of FDX Corp is not on Winchester,


Fred Smith and those guys offices at on Shady Grove.

The fact that they own the operations Headquaters for FedExExpress on Winchester further emphasizes my point that whether to own or rent is based on options and circumstances- there is no one size firsts all answer. FedEx follows this as do most businesses that are rational

Wrong. Look at the sign at the corner of Winchester/Hacks. It says “World Headquarters “. The Shady Grove building is officially known as FedEx Corp. Executive Offices.

first of all what difference does it make, FedEx biggest executives work out of a rented building is the point..

you need to tell the inerweb this -- they all think the HQ of Fedex is on shady Grove

chttps://finance.yahoo.com/quote/FDX/profile?p=FDX

The headquarters for the FedEx Corporation - the parent company - is on Shady Grove.

The headquarters of FedEx Express - an operating company of FedEx Corporation - is at Winchester & Hacks Cross.
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(05-14-2022 01:54 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 05:36 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 05:07 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
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(05-13-2022 12:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  I had season tickets when I lived in the area. I have not for 12 years or so since I moved away.

I've seen Tiger Lane. It's wonderful. This will be nice too. Enjoy it. But 25 years from now it will much more than likely be run down from lack of maintenance. The Liberty Park facilities will likely be in the same condition. The city will come BACK to the university for more money - and why not? We give it to them! We are idiots.

100, 150, 200 million we are going to GIVE AWAY instead of building something of our own that we could control and maintain. We'll get a couple of decades of decent facilities, but when they age, the city will be there again with their hand out, and apparently we'll be stupid enough to do it again.

Do you rent or own your home? Why? This is really not any different.
thats a stupid question and you know better.

First of all, any talk against the plans that are GOING to happen is stupid and counter productive.

Second , the question to own or rent is based on options. Personally - Do you own or rent the place you go to on vacation? --Most people Rent-- are they fools? of course not... they might be unable to afford a second home and they may think it is a waste of resources to spend a lot of money and effort on a place you only use 7 days per year.

BTW-- does FedEx Corporation OWN or Rent their headquarters?
Do the Grizzlies OWN or Rent their Stadium?

Who owns the FXF?

The City of Memphis. It is leased by the Grizzlies.

Leasehold improvements on buildings are a very common thing.

Do you know the details of the lease?

Just curious why the Tigers lease from the Griz.

As I recall, the city built FedExForum and then signed an operating lease with the Grizzlies. This entitled them to keep all the revenue from the building but also put the Grizzlies on the hook for all the operating expenses and to cover any operating loss. This was considered a major coup at the time; the Grizzlies initially walked away from this demand but some stipulations were added to get them to agree, such as the non-compete clause that Graceland has made such a fuss about.

The Grizzlies, as the primarily leaseholder, turned around and subleased to the Tigers. The Grizzlies collect a $10K per-game payment and keep revenue from concessions, fixed advertising signs, most of the parking garage and most suites. The University keeps all ticket revenue. The Grizzlies also pay up to $800K back to the University if average turnstile counts exceed 10K.
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(05-14-2022 06:40 PM)CRM114 Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 04:51 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 04:01 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 01:35 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 12:35 PM)3rdgenerationtiger Wrote:  Bad hint. Not FedEx Headquarters.

Good hint:

ACTUAL FedEx Headquarters

Yes, FedEx does own their HQ, all $235 Million of it.

The headquarters of FDX Corp is not on Winchester,


Fred Smith and those guys offices at on Shady Grove.

The fact that they own the operations Headquaters for FedExExpress on Winchester further emphasizes my point that whether to own or rent is based on options and circumstances- there is no one size firsts all answer. FedEx follows this as do most businesses that are rational

Wrong. Look at the sign at the corner of Winchester/Hacks. It says “World Headquarters “. The Shady Grove building is officially known as FedEx Corp. Executive Offices.

first of all what difference does it make, FedEx biggest executives work out of a rented building is the point..

you need to tell the inerweb this -- they all think the HQ of Fedex is on shady Grove

chttps://finance.yahoo.com/quote/FDX/profile?p=FDX

The headquarters for the FedEx Corporation - the parent company - is on Shady Grove.

The headquarters of FedEx Express - an operating company of FedEx Corporation - is at Winchester & Hacks Cross.

The HQ for FedEx Ground is in Pittsburgh. They are in a P5-ACC.
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(05-12-2022 04:02 PM)Crini Wrote:  RedditCFB tweet about Liberty Bowl

They call the Liberty Bowl the best college football venue in America.

Seriously.

Everything about their rave is a positive except for the lack of security. Vigilance slips and disaster strikes.
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(05-13-2022 02:19 PM)Claw Wrote:  
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(05-13-2022 12:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  
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(05-13-2022 10:49 AM)Claw Wrote:  That is pretty close to the truth. The lack of reaction should tell everyone how significant this is not. The city and the administration did not make a national media event out of this. I don't know if it is because they didn't want it or because they failed.

As a season ticket holder since 1989, it's a BIG deal to me and our group. Away with your nonsense, this is the University going to the next level.

Claw - just curious, do you have season tickets?

I had season tickets when I lived in the area. I have not for 12 years or so since I moved away.

I've seen Tiger Lane. It's wonderful. This will be nice too. Enjoy it. But 25 years from now it will much more than likely be run down from lack of maintenance. The Liberty Park facilities will likely be in the same condition. The city will come BACK to the university for more money - and why not? We give it to them! We are idiots.

100, 150, 200 million we are going to GIVE AWAY instead of building something of our own that we could control and maintain. We'll get a couple of decades of decent facilities, but when they age, the city will be there again with their hand out, and apparently we'll be stupid enough to do it again.

Do you rent or own your home? Why? This is really not any different.

Didn't think so, Claw. You're very negative about everything. Could you just be happy for once. Maybe we don't make it to the B12, but Fu$# at least we gave it a shot and have a nice stadium. Get happy, bro.

But you DON'T have a stadium. You are draining 100 to 200 million dollars of university benefactors' money to buy SOMEONE ELSE A STADIUM. NOT US.

That is 100 or 200 million that will NOT be invested in the university AT ALL. We will NEVER see that money. It's gone. WE ARE GIVING IT AWAY.

Y'all keep calling it someone else's stadium. The city does not have a football team. The team that calls Liberty Stadium home are the Tigers. There is a huge Tiger logo in the center of the field. It is our stadium and the city partners with us. It is two miles from campus! It is ours, the city holds the deed that is all.
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(05-13-2022 03:52 PM)Claw Wrote:  I want to give you 150 million dollars.

What do you want me to do with it?

Give it to another entity to improve their property that you use seven times a year?

Ok. Gee. I wonder if they will agree to that?

We are being played for fools.

Only your ilk is being played for fools, and the ones doing playing you for fools are you.
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(05-14-2022 01:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 11:12 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  What about the plans for a hotel and retail that were being discussed a couple years ago? Is that still on the table as well?

The univ gonna pay millions help build that too and can stay for the regular rate provided no one else reserves it first. But it will be blue, mostly.

03-no

The hotel and the retail and the apartment construction is all in the works and the University is paying for none of it. All of those improvements to the Fairgrounds are being paid with private funds and are being made feasible by city amenities and improvements.
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(05-14-2022 08:53 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 01:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 11:12 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  What about the plans for a hotel and retail that were being discussed a couple years ago? Is that still on the table as well?

The univ gonna pay millions help build that too and can stay for the regular rate provided no one else reserves it first. But it will be blue, mostly.

03-no

The hotel and the retail and the apartment construction is all in the works and the University is paying for none of it. All of those improvements to the Fairgrounds is being paid for with private funds and is being made feasible by city amenities and improvements.

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(05-14-2022 08:53 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 01:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-14-2022 11:12 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  What about the plans for a hotel and retail that were being discussed a couple years ago? Is that still on the table as well?

The univ gonna pay millions help build that too and can stay for the regular rate provided no one else reserves it first. But it will be blue, mostly.

03-no

The hotel and the retail and the apartment construction is all in the works and the University is paying for none of it. All of those improvements to the Fairgrounds are being paid with private funds and are being made feasible by city amenities and improvements.

Which is exactly why the city & the investors in this project need the university to again act against its own best interest & dump 150-200 million into the fairgrounds & not into an on campus facility. I think a verb was created in the mid 90’s to refer to the private fleecing of public funds… schlenkered.
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(05-14-2022 09:51 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  Wow...were already getting trolled on the AAC board by UTSA fans. We have got to get of CUSA 3.0.

it's UTSA...their hoops program is a joke and will hold them back until they realize that.

moreover, they also play in a city owned off campus stadium that's too big for them.
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(05-14-2022 09:51 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  Wow...were already getting trolled on the AAC board by UTSA fans. We have got to get of CUSA 3.0.

Looks like that guy is a well-known troll over there.
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Yeah, you just gotta shrug off some of those posters. Much as you do some of our own posters.

I have an intern who is a recent UTSA grad. He is thrilled about joining the AAC. And he admires our fb and bb success. He says that's what UTSA is striving for. Also work with a North TX alum and he feels the exact same.
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