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RE: ACC commissioner discusses his league's media rights revenue shortfall
(05-12-2022 11:56 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 11:01 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  The last tier will try to sell their votes to ESPN without hesitation. Their dissolution vote is a significant part of their value right now. Better to get value from it than reach the end of GOR. That may yield them an offer to Big 12 East.

So, counting the ballots, we've got:

Yes (moving to a wealthier neighborhood): Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia

Yes (give me my damn alimony check): Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Undecided (evaluating all options): Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, NC State, Pitt, Virginia Tech

Not talking ("Get Kevin Warren on the phone:"): Notre Dame

Seriously Pete, ESPN's best play is to let go of B1G rights and to buy all of Notre Dame and USC's rights, buy all B12 rights, set ND and USC up as wholly independent, and use the LHN studio to produce a T3 channel for their combined fan bases. Then to help both in scheduling by utilizing the AAC, ACC, SEC, and B12 product to complete their schedules.

This one move essentially removes any valuable expansion material from FOX and provides a future lure for PSU and OSU.
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Hiring a non-ACC guy was a big mistake.
Rather than starting to fix problems Phillips has taken a year to "understand" the league and mess with all of the BS about moving the HQ.
None of that helps solve problems.
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(05-12-2022 11:59 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Agree that the comment about a Chief Revenue Officer is not a good omen.

Phillips: "I think you’ll see a Chief Revenue Officer at some point be part of our our new structure after we find our new location"

Not a much urgency, either.

The writing is on the wall.

Those massive media rights checks direct deposited into bank accounts are the 800-pound gorilla here.

Boom! Wake up one morning and the money is there.

All this digging around and hustling for much smaller amounts of "new revenue" is not what conferences — or member schools — want to spend their time and energy and resources doing.

ESPN doesn't want that, either.

Ultimately, when you're shelling out what ESPN and FOX are paying for these agreements, the less people trying to hit up deep-pocketed advertisers for inventory you need to sell, the better.
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(05-12-2022 12:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  Hiring a non-ACC guy was a big mistake.
Rather than starting to fix problems Phillips has taken a year to "understand" the league and mess with all of the BS about moving the HQ.
None of that helps solve problems.



There is no "fix' for a soon to be $40 million dollar a year revenue gap.
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There is not an endless supply of TV money. Expect it to hit the wall soon, especially with cordcutting.

Disney is talking of making ESPN a streaming service. Watch cable companies start to drop them to cut costs.

I'm sure the ESPN service will be at least $30 to $40 per month.
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(05-12-2022 12:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 12:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  Hiring a non-ACC guy was a big mistake.
Rather than starting to fix problems Phillips has taken a year to "understand" the league and mess with all of the BS about moving the HQ.
None of that helps solve problems.



There is no "fix' for a soon to be $40 million dollar a year revenue gap.

Dissolving the conference. The ACC is on borrowed time.
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(05-12-2022 12:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 12:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 12:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  Hiring a non-ACC guy was a big mistake.
Rather than starting to fix problems Phillips has taken a year to "understand" the league and mess with all of the BS about moving the HQ.
None of that helps solve problems.



There is no "fix' for a soon to be $40 million dollar a year revenue gap.

Dissolving the conference. The ACC is on borrowed time.

Let's say the football powers are lured away by the SEC/B1G (Clemson, Florida State, and Miami at least). Does the rest of the ACC have the pull to poach from the Big XII? Or are they looking at the AAC for callups?
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(05-12-2022 12:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 11:56 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 11:01 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  The last tier will try to sell their votes to ESPN without hesitation. Their dissolution vote is a significant part of their value right now. Better to get value from it than reach the end of GOR. That may yield them an offer to Big 12 East.

So, counting the ballots, we've got:

Yes (moving to a wealthier neighborhood): Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia

Yes (give me my damn alimony check): Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Undecided (evaluating all options): Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, NC State, Pitt, Virginia Tech

Not talking ("Get Kevin Warren on the phone:"): Notre Dame

Seriously Pete, ESPN's best play is to let go of B1G rights and to buy all of Notre Dame and USC's rights, buy all B12 rights, set ND and USC up as wholly independent, and use the LHN studio to produce a T3 channel for their combined fan bases. Then to help both in scheduling by utilizing the AAC, ACC, SEC, and B12 product to complete their schedules.

This one move essentially removes any valuable expansion material from FOX and provides a future lure for PSU and OSU.

Is USC prepared to go at it 100% alone though? Where are they going to park their other sports? WCC?

If I’m USC, I’m pushing to get a Pacific Division added to the Big 10 with at least 6 PAC 12 schools in it.
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(05-12-2022 12:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  Hiring a non-ACC guy was a big mistake.
Rather than starting to fix problems Phillips has taken a year to "understand" the league and mess with all of the BS about moving the HQ.
None of that helps solve problems.

And that's why the rumored candidates for the the Big 12 job have some kind of Big 12 connection so that they are already familiar with the inner workings and personality of the league and can hit the ground running.
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(05-12-2022 12:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Let's say the football powers are lured away by the SEC/B1G (Clemson, Florida State, and Miami at least). Does the rest of the ACC have the pull to poach from the Big XII? Or are they looking at the AAC for callups?

East Carolina to the ACC

Make it happen!
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(05-12-2022 01:03 PM)freshtop Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 12:47 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 12:27 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 12:04 PM)XLance Wrote:  Hiring a non-ACC guy was a big mistake.
Rather than starting to fix problems Phillips has taken a year to "understand" the league and mess with all of the BS about moving the HQ.
None of that helps solve problems.



There is no "fix' for a soon to be $40 million dollar a year revenue gap.

Dissolving the conference. The ACC is on borrowed time.

Let's say the football powers are lured away by the SEC/B1G (Clemson, Florida State, and Miami at least). Does the rest of the ACC have the pull to poach from the Big XII? Or are they looking at the AAC for callups?

I think that if the ACC loses 6 or more members, the remnants become part of the Big 12 East with Cincinnati, WVU, and UCF.
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(05-12-2022 12:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 11:56 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 11:01 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  The last tier will try to sell their votes to ESPN without hesitation. Their dissolution vote is a significant part of their value right now. Better to get value from it than reach the end of GOR. That may yield them an offer to Big 12 East.

So, counting the ballots, we've got:

Yes (moving to a wealthier neighborhood): Clemson, Duke, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia

Yes (give me my damn alimony check): Boston College, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Undecided (evaluating all options): Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami, NC State, Pitt, Virginia Tech

Not talking ("Get Kevin Warren on the phone:"): Notre Dame

Seriously Pete, ESPN's best play is to let go of B1G rights and to buy all of Notre Dame and USC's rights, buy all B12 rights, set ND and USC up as wholly independent, and use the LHN studio to produce a T3 channel for their combined fan bases. Then to help both in scheduling by utilizing the AAC, ACC, SEC, and B12 product to complete their schedules.

This one move essentially removes any valuable expansion material from FOX and provides a future lure for PSU and OSU.
Rep to you, JR. On the macro level, it is a better move.

Try to get a part of the BIG, in essence bidding up a Fox asset... or use the same cash to devalue Fox's product by getting USC and reorganizing the ACC into the SEC, then blending the leftovers. Which leads to the BIG only half in the big tent, with no Alliance to speak of. Fox and others would have paid for the "2" in P2.

It's not anti-BIG, ESPN would love to get that inventory. But spending to make the BIG come to you is potentially more cost-effective than a bidding war to get what Fox advises.
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It’s interesting that most of the focus right now is on how the ACC might be divided up without ouch thought to the PAC 12 and how they play into the future of college football.

I think it might be prudent for the Big 10 and the top half of the PAC 12 to be talking now and preemptively moving the Big 10 to 20 members by securing the 4 CA schools, Washington, and Oregon.

If 24 ends up being the magic number, then all you need is to turn ND plus 3 others from the ACC pool plus Kansas.

If nothing happens yet with the ACC, then you can sit at 20 or add a 21st member to add to the Pacific Division.

This path also would mean if that if they can’t get UVA/UNC/Duke they could still get to 24 with AAU or near AAU members still available.
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At the end of the day people have to be just as interested to watch ACC football as they are to watch SEC and Big 10 football. That just ain't happening folks.
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Honestly, I think it all boils down to how quickly ESPN wants to get to the "end game" - which may be decided by the Big Ten negotiations.

If the goal is to break away 100% from the rest of Div-I asap, they'd want to split up the ACC and add the choicest pieces to the SEC. This becomes more likely if ESPN gets a big chunk of the Big Ten contract, but could be triggered by other factors as well.

OTOH, if ESPN gets few (or no) B1G games and believes that "collegiate" model will be around for another decade, they may want to only move the pieces that the Big Ten would want (e.g. UVA, UNC, Duke, and Kansas) to the SEC; they'd probably still want to combine the best (all?) of the remaining ACC and Big XII into a single conference, paying more than either the ACC or Big XII now, though not as much as the SEC. This gives ESPN more inventory, but not quite as valuable and at a lower price.

But what do I know?
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(05-12-2022 08:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Honestly, I think it all boils down to how quickly ESPN wants to get to the "end game" - which may be decided by the Big Ten negotiations.

If the goal is to break away 100% from the rest of Div-I asap, they'd want to split up the ACC and add the choicest pieces to the SEC. This becomes more likely if ESPN gets a big chunk of the Big Ten contract, but could be triggered by other factors as well.

OTOH, if ESPN gets few (or no) B1G games and believes that "collegiate" model will be around for another decade, they may want to only move the pieces that the Big Ten would want (e.g. UVA, UNC, Duke, and Kansas) to the SEC; they'd probably still want to combine the best (all?) of the remaining ACC and Big XII into a single conference, paying more than either the ACC or Big XII now, though not as much as the SEC. This gives ESPN more inventory, but not quite as valuable and at a lower price.

But what do I know?

I think it is the opposite.

If the ESPN has no piece of the BIG, it has no incentive to do anything but blow things up. And they'd have more cash to do it. Grab USC, ND, and liquidate the ACC across its other conferences. Kill the Alliance, and make the BIG/Fox choose to follow you or fold.

With the BIG being in bed with Fox, there's some logic in ESPN not participating in bidding up the BIG contract. Make that being the inferior side of a P2
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(05-12-2022 08:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Honestly, I think it all boils down to how quickly ESPN wants to get to the "end game" - which may be decided by the Big Ten negotiations.

If the goal is to break away 100% from the rest of Div-I asap, they'd want to split up the ACC and add the choicest pieces to the SEC. This becomes more likely if ESPN gets a big chunk of the Big Ten contract, but could be triggered by other factors as well.

OTOH, if ESPN gets few (or no) B1G games and believes that "collegiate" model will be around for another decade, they may want to only move the pieces that the Big Ten would want (e.g. UVA, UNC, Duke, and Kansas) to the SEC; they'd probably still want to combine the best (all?) of the remaining ACC and Big XII into a single conference, paying more than either the ACC or Big XII now, though not as much as the SEC. This gives ESPN more inventory, but not quite as valuable and at a lower price.

But what do I know?

Mark, I don't believe that ESPN wants to relinquish any of their Southeastern monopoly. They'll go after all of the NB12 rights to increase their regional monopoly and segregate the brands which add value into the SEC where they will be well paid and make sure the ACC/NB12 conference outpaces damages. If everyone earns more, especially in an environment of fear and risk, much can be done, including voiding a GOR if necessary. You need to ask which 6 add the most to the SEC? Clemson, Florida State, and Louisville add the most outside of ND which I wouldn't just rule out. Which ones would ESPN want to protect? Duke and UNC. So which six would be most likely? IMO: Duke, UNC, Virginia, Clemson, FSU, and Va Tech. Why? It essentially cuts off B1G access to Georgia Tech which isn't particularly important to the SEC except if the B1G is interested in them. Own Virginia outright and the top 2 brands in North Carolina eliminating a bridge of 3 AAU's which could reach Atlanta, and the SEC can accept Georgia Tech in the NB12/ACC. That leaves room for Kansas, and ND if they are inclined. It leaves room for Louisville, Ga Tech, or Miami if they are not. Any ACC school left over earns more in the ACC/NB12 including Wake.
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(05-11-2022 09:06 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  "We talked with ESPN at length today about some really, I think, high-level opportunities from a sponsorship standpoint to help generate, and they’re as motivated as we are because we’re 50-50 partners. So we’re going to have to continue to find every way that we can resource the conference, championships and locations of championships and the rest of it."

In other words: "ESPN helped us plunder the Big East a decade ago and we're losing ground."
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(05-12-2022 08:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 08:16 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Honestly, I think it all boils down to how quickly ESPN wants to get to the "end game" - which may be decided by the Big Ten negotiations.

If the goal is to break away 100% from the rest of Div-I asap, they'd want to split up the ACC and add the choicest pieces to the SEC. This becomes more likely if ESPN gets a big chunk of the Big Ten contract, but could be triggered by other factors as well.

OTOH, if ESPN gets few (or no) B1G games and believes that "collegiate" model will be around for another decade, they may want to only move the pieces that the Big Ten would want (e.g. UVA, UNC, Duke, and Kansas) to the SEC; they'd probably still want to combine the best (all?) of the remaining ACC and Big XII into a single conference, paying more than either the ACC or Big XII now, though not as much as the SEC. This gives ESPN more inventory, but not quite as valuable and at a lower price.

But what do I know?

Mark, I don't believe that ESPN wants to relinquish any of their Southeastern monopoly. They'll go after all of the NB12 rights to increase their regional monopoly and segregate the brands which add value into the SEC where they will be well paid and make sure the ACC/NB12 conference outpaces damages. If everyone earns more, especially in an environment of fear and risk, much can be done, including voiding a GOR if necessary.

This is true. I know it is wild, but I've argued on Big 12 forums that OU and UT shouldn't be a pawn for cash. If ESPN (and SEC) really wanted them to be. Maybe even for free.


The exit fee and GOR should not really about the cash (although it does factor in to the newcomers paying their fees), and it certainly isn't about retribution. It should be about security. And frankly, the cash involved, is not that much security- it is a negation lever.

Not gentlemen's agreement for UT and OU to play some games against B12 teams, or allusions to being friendly in the future. Real security.

ESPN is the commissioner setting the board now. They can offer security to the Big 12 that is more valuable than two years of OU UT considerations, yet better for ESPN cash flow.

First liquate the ACC (and/or grab USC), create Big 12 East, and the Big 12 should move OU and UT the same day.
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(05-11-2022 11:05 PM)RutgersMike Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Houston we have a bureaucrat! The solution to a revenue problem is to grow administrative expense by hiring a "Revenue Specialist" so for more money he can say, "You aren't making enough money. You need to improve your football profile!"

Rednecks astutely call this management move "When a Buzzard calls a buddy to feast." Phillips realizes he's standing over a body which is soon to be a carcass so instead of wasting time trying to improve it he simply invites another buddy to make a meal of it!" Revenue Specialist = Buzzard #2. The Revenue Specialist will require a staff = more buzzards.

When you see 'em circling.....it's time to leave!

I’m re-reading Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” and the competent are somehow obligated to support the incompetent because of some nebulous idea of ‘social responsibility ‘. College football isn’t operating under this myth anymore but college basketball is. The NCAA Men’s Basketball tournament is the greatest event where we can see a Cinderella make a run like St. Peter’s this year and the Butler’s, Loyola’s and George Mason’s have done so in the past. But there are entire BB conferences that are D-1 in name only because of the guaranteed sweet, sweet NCAA cash.

When did Rutgers become the "competent" exactly?
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