(05-11-2022 05:29 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  A Bearkats vs. Bobcats game would definitely fill the stands in Huntsville, and it’s an established rivalry so it would be intense from the get go. Maybe that happens soon. At the very least, I think a 4 games series to test the waters would benefit both programs.

I wonder how TXST fans feel about the prospect of playing us again.

I think the decade long break has killed any semblance of a rivalry but I wouldn't hate it if we played yall again, but I wouldn't be terribly excited either. The classic lose-lose scenario for us, but it could end up being fun so why not, we lose a lot anyway lol.

I'm not sure how much of a rivalry it actually was though, the last time we hosted y'all before we started our transition was in 2009 and we had 9118 in attendance for that which isn't bad for an FCS game, and when y'all hosted us in 2010 there were 5631 in attendance so it doesn't look like we moved the needle much for each other.

It was really hard for me to find attendance data for our 2009 season on our site so I had to look through the opponents websites which took forever so I only looked at a few but most of our games were over 10k in attendance.

Our game in 2011 after we begun our transition had over 15k though, but so did most of our other games. That bodes well for y'all though, you could definitely see our attendance jump up after we made the announcement to move to FBS. Hopefully the same happens with y'all.

(05-11-2022 05:17 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  The rivalry with Texas State could be renewed if they were interested in it since it seems their biggest "rival" was UTSA but now with them moving to the AAC you may see a lot less of them playing each other in the future. If it weren't for UTSA being down the road from Texas State they wouldn't have any rivals. Sam Houston have a great opportunity to revive the rivalry with both of them being in the same university system and being traditional rivals. I do hold out hope that BOTPW can be saved somehow but it may be many years before it is played again after the 2022 season.

No need for quotation marks, we are certainly rivals, for now. We have them booked until 2031 so we have at least another 9 years of playing them.

Maybe that will change and if it does we have plenty of time to grow some rivalries within the Sun Belt, but hopefully we keep packing the Alamodome and Bobcat Stadium whenever we play so that the admins will have to keep the game going because it makes us both a ton of money.

(05-12-2022 10:20 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 05:17 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  The rivalry with Texas State could be renewed if they were interested in it since it seems their biggest "rival" was UTSA but now with them moving to the AAC you may see a lot less of them playing each other in the future. If it weren't for UTSA being down the road from Texas State they wouldn't have any rivals. Sam Houston have a great opportunity to revive the rivalry with both of them being in the same university system and being traditional rivals. I do hold out hope that BOTPW can be saved somehow but it may be many years before it is played again after the 2022 season.

No need for quotation marks, we are certainly rivals, for now. We have them booked until 2031 so we have at least another 9 years of playing them.

Maybe that will change and if it does we have plenty of time to grow some rivalries within the Sun Belt, but hopefully we keep packing the Alamodome and Bobcat Stadium whenever we play so that the admins will have to keep the game going because it makes us both a ton of money.

This is part of why we would like to keep the battle of the pineywoods with SFA. Sam Houston fans show up for that game vs SFAs measly attendance at the game the past few years. We were able to get 25,000 attendance at that game. It would be fun to renew the rivalry with TX St despite it maybe not having the same animosity as our other rivals but I feel it would be worth reviving and something maybe our fan base could get excited about considering there is some history there from the Southland Conference days. I would be shocked if the current way the conference is set up that we would form any real rivalries with anyone. I doubt Louisiana Tech cares about Sam Houston, Jacksonville State is a bit far to have a real rivalry with other than us both competing in the AQ7 last season and jumping to FBS, and UTEP is clear on the other side of the state from East Texas (It's faster to travel from El Paso the the West Coast than it is to the Louisiana Texas Border in East Texas). SHSU is going to have to settle for a OK rivalry with someone in conference or hope we can form one with TX St. I hate SFA but I seriously hope they can make it to the FBS one day.

(05-11-2022 08:37 AM)Engblazr Wrote:  I always find G5 recruiting rankings absolute garbage. UAB is a great example. Bill Clark’s UAB teams have been middle of the pack in CUSA recruiting. Other teams have had much higher graded classes. You’d think that might translate to being a middle of the pack CUSA team? Nope. The most consistent winner of the last 5 years in conference play. The program has not finished lower than second place in the west division since the return, won 2 conference championships, and played in 3 championship games. Let’s wait and see how it plays out on-field.

That might be due to Clark's coaching ability. He takes average players and turns them into winners. Yeah, recruiting is not an exact science and so there is no rating service that is going to nail it perfectly, but I tend to put more credence in good coaching. I think someone once said of Bear Bryant, he can beat you with his players, and he can beat you using your players.

Clark is a very good coach.

SWT/TS-SM/TXST might’ve never been our main rivalry, but I always enjoyed the matchups with Texas State. For a while there it seemed like every game was a thriller, and aside from 2010, you could always count on close to 10k for a Texas State/Sam game, which is solid for FCS programs. The 2008 game still boils my blood. There was a large crowd there that day. Stormed the field in 2004, Bowers was also pretty full then. Given we’re both FBS now, I’d bet more would show up.

(05-12-2022 03:33 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 10:20 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 05:17 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  The rivalry with Texas State could be renewed if they were interested in it since it seems their biggest "rival" was UTSA but now with them moving to the AAC you may see a lot less of them playing each other in the future. If it weren't for UTSA being down the road from Texas State they wouldn't have any rivals. Sam Houston have a great opportunity to revive the rivalry with both of them being in the same university system and being traditional rivals. I do hold out hope that BOTPW can be saved somehow but it may be many years before it is played again after the 2022 season.

No need for quotation marks, we are certainly rivals, for now. We have them booked until 2031 so we have at least another 9 years of playing them.

Maybe that will change and if it does we have plenty of time to grow some rivalries within the Sun Belt, but hopefully we keep packing the Alamodome and Bobcat Stadium whenever we play so that the admins will have to keep the game going because it makes us both a ton of money.

This is part of why we would like to keep the battle of the pineywoods with SFA. Sam Houston fans show up for that game vs SFAs measly attendance at the game the past few years. We were able to get 25,000 attendance at that game. It would be fun to renew the rivalry with TX St despite it maybe not having the same animosity as our other rivals but I feel it would be worth reviving and something maybe our fan base could get excited about considering there is some history there from the Southland Conference days. I would be shocked if the current way the conference is set up that we would form any real rivalries with anyone. I doubt Louisiana Tech cares about Sam Houston, Jacksonville State is a bit far to have a real rivalry with other than us both competing in the AQ7 last season and jumping to FBS, and UTEP is clear on the other side of the state from East Texas (It's faster to travel from El Paso the the West Coast than it is to the Louisiana Texas Border in East Texas). SHSU is going to have to settle for a OK rivalry with someone in conference or hope we can form one with TX St. I hate SFA but I seriously hope they can make it to the FBS one day.

If you move the games back on campus, we’d see better SFA crowds. When/if they join, it shouldn’t be played at NRG. The last on campus BOTPW drew 18k. It’d be even higher now.

(05-12-2022 06:15 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 03:33 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 10:20 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 05:17 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  The rivalry with Texas State could be renewed if they were interested in it since it seems their biggest "rival" was UTSA but now with them moving to the AAC you may see a lot less of them playing each other in the future. If it weren't for UTSA being down the road from Texas State they wouldn't have any rivals. Sam Houston have a great opportunity to revive the rivalry with both of them being in the same university system and being traditional rivals. I do hold out hope that BOTPW can be saved somehow but it may be many years before it is played again after the 2022 season.

No need for quotation marks, we are certainly rivals, for now. We have them booked until 2031 so we have at least another 9 years of playing them.

Maybe that will change and if it does we have plenty of time to grow some rivalries within the Sun Belt, but hopefully we keep packing the Alamodome and Bobcat Stadium whenever we play so that the admins will have to keep the game going because it makes us both a ton of money.

This is part of why we would like to keep the battle of the pineywoods with SFA. Sam Houston fans show up for that game vs SFAs measly attendance at the game the past few years. We were able to get 25,000 attendance at that game. It would be fun to renew the rivalry with TX St despite it maybe not having the same animosity as our other rivals but I feel it would be worth reviving and something maybe our fan base could get excited about considering there is some history there from the Southland Conference days. I would be shocked if the current way the conference is set up that we would form any real rivalries with anyone. I doubt Louisiana Tech cares about Sam Houston, Jacksonville State is a bit far to have a real rivalry with other than us both competing in the AQ7 last season and jumping to FBS, and UTEP is clear on the other side of the state from East Texas (It's faster to travel from El Paso the the West Coast than it is to the Louisiana Texas Border in East Texas). SHSU is going to have to settle for a OK rivalry with someone in conference or hope we can form one with TX St. I hate SFA but I seriously hope they can make it to the FBS one day.

If you move the games back on campus, we’d see better SFA crowds. When/if they join, it shouldn’t be played at NRG. The last on campus BOTPW drew 18k. It’d be even higher now.

If they moved to CUSA the games would be on campus for sure. The stadiums would more than likely be 20k or more. No need to let that money go anywhere else.

(05-13-2022 06:19 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 06:15 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 03:33 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 10:20 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 05:17 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  The rivalry with Texas State could be renewed if they were interested in it since it seems their biggest "rival" was UTSA but now with them moving to the AAC you may see a lot less of them playing each other in the future. If it weren't for UTSA being down the road from Texas State they wouldn't have any rivals. Sam Houston have a great opportunity to revive the rivalry with both of them being in the same university system and being traditional rivals. I do hold out hope that BOTPW can be saved somehow but it may be many years before it is played again after the 2022 season.

No need for quotation marks, we are certainly rivals, for now. We have them booked until 2031 so we have at least another 9 years of playing them.

Maybe that will change and if it does we have plenty of time to grow some rivalries within the Sun Belt, but hopefully we keep packing the Alamodome and Bobcat Stadium whenever we play so that the admins will have to keep the game going because it makes us both a ton of money.

This is part of why we would like to keep the battle of the pineywoods with SFA. Sam Houston fans show up for that game vs SFAs measly attendance at the game the past few years. We were able to get 25,000 attendance at that game. It would be fun to renew the rivalry with TX St despite it maybe not having the same animosity as our other rivals but I feel it would be worth reviving and something maybe our fan base could get excited about considering there is some history there from the Southland Conference days. I would be shocked if the current way the conference is set up that we would form any real rivalries with anyone. I doubt Louisiana Tech cares about Sam Houston, Jacksonville State is a bit far to have a real rivalry with other than us both competing in the AQ7 last season and jumping to FBS, and UTEP is clear on the other side of the state from East Texas (It's faster to travel from El Paso the the West Coast than it is to the Louisiana Texas Border in East Texas). SHSU is going to have to settle for a OK rivalry with someone in conference or hope we can form one with TX St. I hate SFA but I seriously hope they can make it to the FBS one day.

If you move the games back on campus, we’d see better SFA crowds. When/if they join, it shouldn’t be played at NRG. The last on campus BOTPW drew 18k. It’d be even higher now.

If they moved to CUSA the games would be on campus for sure. The stadiums would more than likely be 20k or more. No need to let that money go anywhere else.

BOTPW definitely should be played as a H-H if SFA and SHSU end up in the same division. Shame that such a rivalry may be disrupted due to conference realignment but that seems to be the trend now across the country. They are close to 100 games played in that rivalry.

(05-14-2022 08:11 AM)dawgonit Wrote:  

(05-13-2022 06:19 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 06:15 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 03:33 PM)Bearkat21 Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 10:20 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  No need for quotation marks, we are certainly rivals, for now. We have them booked until 2031 so we have at least another 9 years of playing them.

Maybe that will change and if it does we have plenty of time to grow some rivalries within the Sun Belt, but hopefully we keep packing the Alamodome and Bobcat Stadium whenever we play so that the admins will have to keep the game going because it makes us both a ton of money.

This is part of why we would like to keep the battle of the pineywoods with SFA. Sam Houston fans show up for that game vs SFAs measly attendance at the game the past few years. We were able to get 25,000 attendance at that game. It would be fun to renew the rivalry with TX St despite it maybe not having the same animosity as our other rivals but I feel it would be worth reviving and something maybe our fan base could get excited about considering there is some history there from the Southland Conference days. I would be shocked if the current way the conference is set up that we would form any real rivalries with anyone. I doubt Louisiana Tech cares about Sam Houston, Jacksonville State is a bit far to have a real rivalry with other than us both competing in the AQ7 last season and jumping to FBS, and UTEP is clear on the other side of the state from East Texas (It's faster to travel from El Paso the the West Coast than it is to the Louisiana Texas Border in East Texas). SHSU is going to have to settle for a OK rivalry with someone in conference or hope we can form one with TX St. I hate SFA but I seriously hope they can make it to the FBS one day.

If you move the games back on campus, we’d see better SFA crowds. When/if they join, it shouldn’t be played at NRG. The last on campus BOTPW drew 18k. It’d be even higher now.

If they moved to CUSA the games would be on campus for sure. The stadiums would more than likely be 20k or more. No need to let that money go anywhere else.

BOTPW definitely should be played as a H-H if SFA and SHSU end up in the same division. Shame that such a rivalry may be disrupted due to conference realignment but that seems to be the trend now across the country. They are close to 100 games played in that rivalry.

I will probably watch that game this year to get a better understanding of their rivalry

(05-11-2022 08:00 AM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  I can't speak for the other FCS transition teams, but 247 is awful for JMU. They only have 4 total commits (not counting the transfers) when the class was actually 14. Not sure how long it takes for 247 to be accurate, but I assume it will be more accurate once JMU has a full year under it's belt in FBS.

Not to mention you guys just played for a national title and don't need to replace much. Just adding filler to get to the scholarship limit. And you're playing FBS ball this year. You don't to need explain anything to anyone looking up at you in the FCS rankings last year.

Hm, I don’t recall JMU playing for a national title within the past couple of years. Anyone else?

(05-16-2022 09:11 AM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Hm, I don’t recall JMU playing for a national title within the past couple of years. Anyone else?

I do not either. As I recall today is the 1 year anniversary of Sam Houston's national championship.

Sam and JMU are in better positions than JSU concerning quality of athletes. JMU moving up immediately will also cause some different issues for next season. Just hope we can rearrange our roster ASAP.

As Labor Day gets closer Gem's bullishness for the season is waning.

(05-17-2022 09:39 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  As Labor Day gets closer Gem's bullishness for the season is waning.

We will be fine. CUSA will have better football than any of you all think.

And yes we are behind Sam and JMU at this time. JMU will also surprise a lot you folks

(05-17-2022 12:03 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 09:39 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  As Labor Day gets closer Gem's bullishness for the season is waning.

We will be fine. CUSA will have better football than any of you all think.

And yes we are behind Sam and JMU at this time. JMU will also surprise a lot you folks

Of course you'll be fine, just glad to see you backing off 2022 will be the years you start dominating.

(05-17-2022 12:34 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:03 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 09:39 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  As Labor Day gets closer Gem's bullishness for the season is waning.

We will be fine. CUSA will have better football than any of you all think.

And yes we are behind Sam and JMU at this time. JMU will also surprise a lot you folks

Of course you'll be fine, just glad to see you backing off 2022 will be the years you start dominating.

They don’t start FBS until 2023. This years CUSA are the 11 members that didn’t go to the SBC.

(05-17-2022 12:48 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:34 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 12:03 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-17-2022 09:39 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  As Labor Day gets closer Gem's bullishness for the season is waning.

We will be fine. CUSA will have better football than any of you all think.

And yes we are behind Sam and JMU at this time. JMU will also surprise a lot you folks

Of course you'll be fine, just glad to see you backing off 2022 will be the years you start dominating.

They don’t start FBS until 2023. This years CUSA are the 11 members that didn’t go to the SBC.

Something are just hard for some to grasp. The threat CUSA will not be as bad as they hope, cloud their vision.

Show us where I've said CUSA would be terrible.

You used your jump to conclusion mat to get from the SBC will be the better conference for the near-to-medium term for that leap.

(05-11-2022 08:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:49 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:30 AM)Dusky Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 06:39 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  JSU has several not graded, also. Sure the others have those too.

Our recruiting hasnt finished as RR said to expect 50-60 new players after the end of spring practice.

What? Is that a typo?

May have the number off by a few but no. Said the talent level wasnt what he wanted.
Sounds like a lot of transfers will be coming to JSU.

This could be a risky approach. Building through traditional high school recruiting has worked better long term. Georgia Southern went with the quick fix while App stuck to high schoolers for the 2013-2014 transition.

Of course it's a different world today with NIL and transferring.

What are you talking about? GS had a few transfers, but not a lot during those years. Also we had hired a new coach, Willie Fritz, that brought a few players with him. We also did really well in 2014 and 2015. The issue after that was coaching and poor recruiting by those coaches.

The G5 rankings are pretty bad, but if you have an exceptional class it will get noticed. Sounds like a lot of the lower ranked teams have a lot of missing players which is driving down the scores. GS, as an example, has 30 players in this class listed on 247. Only 15 have a ranking, the rest are NA. Not even a defacto 2 star rating. The ranked recruits are all 3 star and one 4 star.
Not saying these ranking can't be a predictor of future performance, but at these levels there is basically little difference. Especially when 50% of your class isn't represented or graded.
Good luck to the new teams, it is a lot different with the new transfer rules, than just a few years ago.