(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

(05-11-2022 03:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

I know we shouldn’t value our stuff more than some thief’s well being. Same attitude as the damn Build Larger Mansions clowns. It’s ok to burn buildings down, loot and riot because they have insurance.

Not the same at all. I think these guys deserve a punishment commensurate with the crime.

Quote:The police in Atlanta set up cars at gas stations running with the keys in them to catch thieves

And do they beat the **** out of the guys they catch? If not, should they? At what point does cruel and unusual apply? If a beating (or equivalent) is ok for taking a POS bike, is it also ok for, say, a sandwich? A yo-yo? A stick of gum?

Look, I know I'm probably going to get all kinds of soft-on-crime-liberal pushback here. Whatever, but that's not what this is about. I don't want to turn criminals out on the street but I do think that there are limits to what's appropriate for a petty crime like this. And I think this particular video makes matters worse because it was filmed to entertain. Feels like Bumfights.

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

What punishment do you have in mind, B.O.? And how does that get administered?

You seem like a smart guy, so I trust you understand that people are more than a bit fed up with the "What difference at this point does it make?" attitude coming from those who don't themselves have to deal with the consequences of unhampered criminal behavior.

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

The value of the bike plays no part, IMO. It's the action of stealing, not what is stolen, that is the issue. I can guarantee this dude will think twice before trying that again. That is the desired outcome.

(05-11-2022 03:23 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:00 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

I know we shouldn’t value our stuff more than some thief’s well being. Same attitude as the damn Build Larger Mansions clowns. It’s ok to burn buildings down, loot and riot because they have insurance.

Not the same at all. I think these guys deserve a punishment commensurate with the crime.

Quote:The police in Atlanta set up cars at gas stations running with the keys in them to catch thieves

And do they beat the **** out of the guys they catch? If not, should they? At what point does cruel and unusual apply? If a beating (or equivalent) is ok for taking a POS bike, is it also ok for, say, a sandwich? A yo-yo? A stick of gum?

Look, I know I'm probably going to get all kinds of soft-on-crime-liberal pushback here. Whatever, but that's not what this is about. I don't want to turn criminals out on the street but I do think that there are limits to what's appropriate for a petty crime like this. And I think this particular video makes matters worse because it was filmed to entertain. Feels like Bumfights.

Who beat anyone? Plenty of folks walked right on by someone else’s property and didn’t deicide to help themselves to someone else’s transportation, backpack perhaps with a wallet or laptop in it.

You ever been robbed? I have. Several times from my soft top CJ. Forced us to MOVE at one point.

Took some rather punitive actions to deter and not lose yet another stereo. Few razor blades and some well placed duct tape sent a few messages.

Good news!
Problem solved.

(05-11-2022 03:28 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

What punishment do you have in mind, B.O.? And how does that get administered?

You seem like a smart guy, so I trust you understand that people are more than a bit fed up with the "What difference at this point does it make?" attitude coming from those who don't themselves have to deal with the consequences of unhampered criminal behavior.

No, I don't have a specific punishment in mind. But something on the order of a short jail spell and/or community service and restitution sounds about right. I get that doesn't seem like much of a deterrent and I get people are frustrated. But the fact that ******* DAs in places like LA and SFO are letting violent criminals walk freely doesn't mean that a guy who commits a petty crime deserves a concussion.

(05-11-2022 03:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

The value of the bike plays no part, IMO. It's the action of stealing, not what is stolen, that is the issue. I can guarantee this dude will think twice before trying that again. That is the desired outcome.

Fair enough. I agree this kind of thing will deter theft. So would a lot of even more violent outcomes. I would hope that there are less violent outcomes that would also deter theft.

To Monarch's point and further on my response: If we're pissed off that guys are getting away with crime, let's reject the "defund police" approach and make enforcement a higher priority. If the joy in seeing a guy faceplant at 15 mph is the result of frustration at knowing he otherwise wouldn't have had consequences, let's beef up community policing. Let's have legitimate consequences that are appropriate for the crime, without resorting to gruesome entertainment masquerading as justice.

We all got a concussion or two doing far less than stealing other peoples schit.

Most of it legal…

(05-11-2022 03:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

The value of the bike plays no part, IMO. It's the action of stealing, not what is stolen, that is the issue. I can guarantee this dude will think twice before trying that again. That is the desired outcome.

yep ... a cracked out dipshite pos walk-by thief wouldn't know the difference in value...

there's a rule-o-thumb ... if it's on the curb, take it unless designated for future storage ... if it's not ... fk you, biatch - now it's muh fk'n turn...

(05-11-2022 04:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

The value of the bike plays no part, IMO. It's the action of stealing, not what is stolen, that is the issue. I can guarantee this dude will think twice before trying that again. That is the desired outcome.

Fair enough. I agree this kind of thing will deter theft. So would a lot of even more violent outcomes. I would hope that there are less violent outcomes that would also deter theft.

To Monarch's point and further on my response: If we're pissed off that guys are getting away with crime, let's reject the "defund police" approach and make enforcement a higher priority. If the joy in seeing a guy faceplant at 15 mph is the result of frustration at knowing he otherwise wouldn't have had consequences, let's beef up community policing. Let's have legitimate consequences that are appropriate for the crime, without resorting to gruesome entertainment masquerading as justice.

Saw a guy ridin a bike just like mine a a mile from my house. It is distinctive. Hoped it wasnt mine and went home and checked.
Mine was gone. Went back and told him to get the frick off my bike and took it back. He gave some lame arse couldnt get a ride from his auntie and was going to see his baby mamma so he needed my bike He got off my damn bike and put in the truck.

If he had cracked his skull id laughed my arse off. Frick the ahole. Called cops they picked him up. No sympathy.

Wtf is wrong with people. Dammit man. I wish i had thought of the long rope.

Value of bike matters. Stealing it matters. People need to quit being prey

(05-11-2022 04:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 04:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

The value of the bike plays no part, IMO. It's the action of stealing, not what is stolen, that is the issue. I can guarantee this dude will think twice before trying that again. That is the desired outcome.

Fair enough. I agree this kind of thing will deter theft. So would a lot of even more violent outcomes. I would hope that there are less violent outcomes that would also deter theft.

To Monarch's point and further on my response: If we're pissed off that guys are getting away with crime, let's reject the "defund police" approach and make enforcement a higher priority. If the joy in seeing a guy faceplant at 15 mph is the result of frustration at knowing he otherwise wouldn't have had consequences, let's beef up community policing. Let's have legitimate consequences that are appropriate for the crime, without resorting to gruesome entertainment masquerading as justice.

Saw a guy ridin a bike just like mine a a mile from my house. It is distinctive. Hoped it wasnt mine and went home and checked.
Mine was gone. Went back and told him to get the frick off my bike and took it back. He gave some lame arse couldnt get a ride from hos auntie and was going to see his baby mamma so he needed my bike He got off my damn bike and put in the truck.

If he had cracked his skull id laughed my arse off. Frick the ahole. Called cops they picked him up. No sympathy.

Wtf is wrong with people. Dammit man. I wish i had thought of the long rope.

Value of bike matters. Stealing it matters. People need to quit being prey

dog, I'm packing 20k worth of 'lifting' equip. (min) in the field .... and I'm packin' ...

you know what they know?! .... I'm fk'n packin'...

fk these motherfuckerssssssssssssss....

(05-11-2022 04:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 04:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 04:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

The value of the bike plays no part, IMO. It's the action of stealing, not what is stolen, that is the issue. I can guarantee this dude will think twice before trying that again. That is the desired outcome.

Fair enough. I agree this kind of thing will deter theft. So would a lot of even more violent outcomes. I would hope that there are less violent outcomes that would also deter theft.

To Monarch's point and further on my response: If we're pissed off that guys are getting away with crime, let's reject the "defund police" approach and make enforcement a higher priority. If the joy in seeing a guy faceplant at 15 mph is the result of frustration at knowing he otherwise wouldn't have had consequences, let's beef up community policing. Let's have legitimate consequences that are appropriate for the crime, without resorting to gruesome entertainment masquerading as justice.

Saw a guy ridin a bike just like mine a a mile from my house. It is distinctive. Hoped it wasnt mine and went home and checked.
Mine was gone. Went back and told him to get the frick off my bike and took it back. He gave some lame arse couldnt get a ride from hos auntie and was going to see his baby mamma so he needed my bike He got off my damn bike and put in the truck.

If he had cracked his skull id laughed my arse off. Frick the ahole. Called cops they picked him up. No sympathy.

Wtf is wrong with people. Dammit man. I wish i had thought of the long rope.

Value of bike matters. Stealing it matters. People need to quit being prey

dog, I'm packing 20g worth of equip. (min) in the field .... and I'm packin' ...

you know what they know?! .... I'm fk'n packin'...

fk these motherfuckerssssssssssssss....

He might have beat my arse but by god he was gonna have to actually do it. My chances were good he wasnt gonna be able to

(05-11-2022 04:54 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 04:52 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 04:45 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 04:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 03:48 PM)VA49er Wrote:  The value of the bike plays no part, IMO. It's the action of stealing, not what is stolen, that is the issue. I can guarantee this dude will think twice before trying that again. That is the desired outcome.

Fair enough. I agree this kind of thing will deter theft. So would a lot of even more violent outcomes. I would hope that there are less violent outcomes that would also deter theft.

To Monarch's point and further on my response: If we're pissed off that guys are getting away with crime, let's reject the "defund police" approach and make enforcement a higher priority. If the joy in seeing a guy faceplant at 15 mph is the result of frustration at knowing he otherwise wouldn't have had consequences, let's beef up community policing. Let's have legitimate consequences that are appropriate for the crime, without resorting to gruesome entertainment masquerading as justice.

Saw a guy ridin a bike just like mine a a mile from my house. It is distinctive. Hoped it wasnt mine and went home and checked.
Mine was gone. Went back and told him to get the frick off my bike and took it back. He gave some lame arse couldnt get a ride from hos auntie and was going to see his baby mamma so he needed my bike He got off my damn bike and put in the truck.

If he had cracked his skull id laughed my arse off. Frick the ahole. Called cops they picked him up. No sympathy.

Wtf is wrong with people. Dammit man. I wish i had thought of the long rope.

Value of bike matters. Stealing it matters. People need to quit being prey

dog, I'm packing 20g worth of equip. (min) in the field .... and I'm packin' ...

you know what they know?! .... I'm fk'n packin'...

fk these motherfuckerssssssssssssss....

He might have beat my arse but by god he was gonna have to actually do it. My chances were good he wasnt gonna be able to

I always have a crowbar on the deck of my z-turn just for shites and gigs if somebody wants to really fk the fk up ... they'll never see it coming from the 'bow or the stern'..

that would be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more fonzies than having to 'draw'....

(05-11-2022 04:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  To Monarch's point and further on my response: If we're pissed off that guys are getting away with crime, let's reject the "defund police" approach and make enforcement a higher priority. If the joy in seeing a guy faceplant at 15 mph is the result of frustration at knowing he otherwise wouldn't have had consequences, let's beef up community policing. Let's have legitimate consequences that are appropriate for the crime, without resorting to gruesome entertainment masquerading as justice.

I wish I lived in your utopian community, B.O. In my semi-urban neighborhood, we are for the first time in 35 years having a problem with enterprising youths busting out car windows in order to steal loose change and other belongings.

Like good citizens, we report it when it happens. So far no arrests - - not a single one. But we do now have the pleasure of having the city install signs at the entrance of our neighborhoods telling us not to leave valuables in our cars.

This is a circumstance at which law-abiding citizens start thinking about taking matters into their own hands. From my standpoint, a concussion and skin abrasions are a pretty light penalty for being an immoral turd.

Tell the kid who did lawns to buy a used bike from the pawn shop his bike that got stolen "wasn't worth crap". Once a thief always a thief. Break his wrists is a better punishment.

(05-11-2022 05:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 04:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  To Monarch's point and further on my response: If we're pissed off that guys are getting away with crime, let's reject the "defund police" approach and make enforcement a higher priority. If the joy in seeing a guy faceplant at 15 mph is the result of frustration at knowing he otherwise wouldn't have had consequences, let's beef up community policing. Let's have legitimate consequences that are appropriate for the crime, without resorting to gruesome entertainment masquerading as justice.

I wish I lived in your utopian community, B.O.

*sigh*

I guess I don’t see any “punishment” here. I see a hapless, worthless thief who was too inept to fully disengage the bikes security device and we are simply watching the result on the security footage.

(05-11-2022 02:18 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  I'm bummed at the reaction here. I didn't say there shouldn't be any punishment, but that I don't think it fit the crime. It's a piece of **** bike worth no more than a few bucks. If a cop had caught one of those guys and violently thrown him to the ground, would you be ok with that? Steal a $25 bike and get a cracked skull?

They cut your hand off for that in some parts of the world.

(05-11-2022 07:14 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 05:27 PM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 04:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  To Monarch's point and further on my response: If we're pissed off that guys are getting away with crime, let's reject the "defund police" approach and make enforcement a higher priority. If the joy in seeing a guy faceplant at 15 mph is the result of frustration at knowing he otherwise wouldn't have had consequences, let's beef up community policing. Let's have legitimate consequences that are appropriate for the crime, without resorting to gruesome entertainment masquerading as justice.

I wish I lived in your utopian community, B.O.

*sigh*

I’m with you on this, B.O. It is all one can say about the terminal ideological condition of the Democrat party.