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RE: With NIL, now is the time for G conferences to make first move and split !
(05-11-2022 10:54 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 08:07 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Memphis (and Cincinnati previously until the Big 12 invite) faces a conundrum of sorts. As Quo notes, Tiger football is not remotely within the same realm as USC, Notre Dame, Bama, etc. football. But Memphis basketball is a major program overall — and UofM basketball needs Memphis football (to an extent) due to "conference home factors." Non-FBS-football-sponsoring Gonzaga and the Big East schools "have it easy," in that they automatically benefit from NOT having football.

Where do you think Louisville would be today if Howard Schellenberger decided to close down Louisville's FB program?

How many of those programs moved up to FBS with a goal of joining the AAC to improve their basketball conference?

Akron and Buffalo I would argue moved up to FBS to get into the MAC for basketball. Where would these programs be without it?

It’s an interesting question.

Things may be bad, but what’s the alternative? Do these schools benefit from not having football? Are any able to consolidate their limited resources to make a leap in basketball?

Residential higher education is increasingly needing to differentiate themselves as a luxury good. Offering college athletics and campus school spirit fit in that.
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(05-11-2022 10:59 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 10:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…

How could that work out? I have thought of a bowl +1 playoff for the G5.

Holiday Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Independence Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Cure Bowl (G5 champ vs. Top at-large)

The way it would work is the #1 would have home bowl location against the 6th best entrant (be it champ or at-large). If it is Boise State as #1 they would likely be sent to play in the Holiday Bowl against the #6.

Having 1 spot for an at-large would allow for a really good 12-1 or 11-2 team that didn't win their CC or if an independent that has a big season.

Then after the bowls take the Top 2 and play a championship game. It might not be completely perfect but I doubt there would be more than 2 undefeated teams after bowls.

I agree with most of this. The problem is that they can't alienate their fanbases. It's essentially throwing in the towel.

As an aside I had to LOL at a Houston fan starting this thread after knowing they'll be in the Big 12.

Well I'm thinking about this post more realignment.

B1G: Kansas, Colorado, ASU, USC, UCLA, Stanford
SEC: Florida St, Clemson, UNC, Duke
PAC: Boise, UNLV, SDSU, Colorado St, SMU, Rice
ACC: UConn, USF, East Carolina, WVU
XII: Memphis
MWC: UTEP, NMSU
AAC: FIU, WKU, MT, LaTech

The G5 at that point wouldn't have much left at that point, in fact it would be a G4 with CUSA being absorbed by the MWC/AAC.
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RE: With NIL, now is the time for G conferences to make first move and split !
(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:54 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 08:07 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Memphis (and Cincinnati previously until the Big 12 invite) faces a conundrum of sorts. As Quo notes, Tiger football is not remotely within the same realm as USC, Notre Dame, Bama, etc. football. But Memphis basketball is a major program overall — and UofM basketball needs Memphis football (to an extent) due to "conference home factors." Non-FBS-football-sponsoring Gonzaga and the Big East schools "have it easy," in that they automatically benefit from NOT having football.

Where do you think Louisville would be today if Howard Schellenberger decided to close down Louisville's FB program?

How many of those programs moved up to FBS with a goal of joining the AAC to improve their basketball conference?

Akron and Buffalo I would argue moved up to FBS to get into the MAC for basketball. Where would these programs be without it?

It’s an interesting question.

Things may be bad, but what’s the alternative? Do these schools benefit from not having football? Are any able to consolidate their limited resources to make a leap in basketball?

Residential higher education is increasingly needing to differentiate themselves as a luxury good. Offering college athletics and campus school spirit fit in that.

There are resources and then there is recruiting.

Some of these places just can't get the players no much how much they spend on basketball. Others can do it up to a certain level.
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(05-11-2022 11:15 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:59 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 10:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…

How could that work out? I have thought of a bowl +1 playoff for the G5.

Holiday Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Independence Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Cure Bowl (G5 champ vs. Top at-large)

The way it would work is the #1 would have home bowl location against the 6th best entrant (be it champ or at-large). If it is Boise State as #1 they would likely be sent to play in the Holiday Bowl against the #6.

Having 1 spot for an at-large would allow for a really good 12-1 or 11-2 team that didn't win their CC or if an independent that has a big season.

Then after the bowls take the Top 2 and play a championship game. It might not be completely perfect but I doubt there would be more than 2 undefeated teams after bowls.

I agree with most of this. The problem is that they can't alienate their fanbases. It's essentially throwing in the towel.

As an aside I had to LOL at a Houston fan starting this thread after knowing they'll be in the Big 12.

Well I'm thinking about this post more realignment.

B1G: Kansas, Colorado, ASU, USC, UCLA, Stanford
SEC: Florida St, Clemson, UNC, Duke
PAC: Boise, UNLV, SDSU, Colorado St, SMU, Rice
ACC: UConn, USF, East Carolina, WVU
XII: Memphis
MWC: UTEP, NMSU
AAC: FIU, WKU, MT, LaTech

The G5 at that point wouldn't have much left at that point, in fact it would be a G4 with CUSA being absorbed by the MWC/AAC.

Pigs will fly before the ACC adds East Carolina. WVU has a better chance and that ain't saying much. If it comes to that it would make a lot more sense for the Big 12 remainders to merge w/ the ACC remainders.... and MAYBE a couple of AAC programs get lucky.
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(05-11-2022 08:57 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 06:30 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 11:46 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  Fox is spending $150 to $200 million over 3 years on owning the 8 team USFL to have spring football. The G5 has better brands than that.

There’s a need for more inventory.

The FCS spring playoffs pulled similar numbers to Sunday night baseball, playoff hockey, and lower NBA playoff games.

The top half of the G5 should do even better.
Intresting facts, a second FBS league has very Exciting prospects with so many fan bases to grow, the time is now imo

We study history so we don't repeat the same mistakes blah blah blah....

You know how the 1A/1AA split worked right? Look at what happened to most FCS programs, most would agree that it didn't work out so well for them. This would be a repeat of that.

You know 1978 is a long time ago right? It would be a mistake to use it as the comparison to the current situation.

Schools didnt even have their TV rights then. And media weren’t desperate for live sports inventory.

Maintaining access to the CFP is better for some in the G5. But if the P2 forms and becomes too exclusive, the networks have no incentive to let conferences like the American and MWC to drop. They want to grow college football as much as they want to make more off consolidation of top schools.
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(05-11-2022 11:19 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:15 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:59 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 10:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…

How could that work out? I have thought of a bowl +1 playoff for the G5.

Holiday Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Independence Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Cure Bowl (G5 champ vs. Top at-large)

The way it would work is the #1 would have home bowl location against the 6th best entrant (be it champ or at-large). If it is Boise State as #1 they would likely be sent to play in the Holiday Bowl against the #6.

Having 1 spot for an at-large would allow for a really good 12-1 or 11-2 team that didn't win their CC or if an independent that has a big season.

Then after the bowls take the Top 2 and play a championship game. It might not be completely perfect but I doubt there would be more than 2 undefeated teams after bowls.

I agree with most of this. The problem is that they can't alienate their fanbases. It's essentially throwing in the towel.

As an aside I had to LOL at a Houston fan starting this thread after knowing they'll be in the Big 12.

Well I'm thinking about this post more realignment.

B1G: Kansas, Colorado, ASU, USC, UCLA, Stanford
SEC: Florida St, Clemson, UNC, Duke
PAC: Boise, UNLV, SDSU, Colorado St, SMU, Rice
ACC: UConn, USF, East Carolina, WVU
XII: Memphis
MWC: UTEP, NMSU
AAC: FIU, WKU, MT, LaTech

The G5 at that point wouldn't have much left at that point, in fact it would be a G4 with CUSA being absorbed by the MWC/AAC.

Pigs will fly before the ACC adds East Carolina. WVU has a better chance and that ain't saying much. If it comes to that the Big 12 will probably work out a merger with the ACC.

Don't you think it would be different if UNC/Duke are not in the ACC? Its a non-starter at the moment but if they were to go and the ACC needed backfill ECU has the FB facilities for it.
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(05-11-2022 11:23 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:19 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:15 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:59 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 10:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  How could that work out? I have thought of a bowl +1 playoff for the G5.

Holiday Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Independence Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Cure Bowl (G5 champ vs. Top at-large)

The way it would work is the #1 would have home bowl location against the 6th best entrant (be it champ or at-large). If it is Boise State as #1 they would likely be sent to play in the Holiday Bowl against the #6.

Having 1 spot for an at-large would allow for a really good 12-1 or 11-2 team that didn't win their CC or if an independent that has a big season.

Then after the bowls take the Top 2 and play a championship game. It might not be completely perfect but I doubt there would be more than 2 undefeated teams after bowls.

I agree with most of this. The problem is that they can't alienate their fanbases. It's essentially throwing in the towel.

As an aside I had to LOL at a Houston fan starting this thread after knowing they'll be in the Big 12.

Well I'm thinking about this post more realignment.

B1G: Kansas, Colorado, ASU, USC, UCLA, Stanford
SEC: Florida St, Clemson, UNC, Duke
PAC: Boise, UNLV, SDSU, Colorado St, SMU, Rice
ACC: UConn, USF, East Carolina, WVU
XII: Memphis
MWC: UTEP, NMSU
AAC: FIU, WKU, MT, LaTech

The G5 at that point wouldn't have much left at that point, in fact it would be a G4 with CUSA being absorbed by the MWC/AAC.

Pigs will fly before the ACC adds East Carolina. WVU has a better chance and that ain't saying much. If it comes to that the Big 12 will probably work out a merger with the ACC.

Don't you think it would be different if UNC/Duke are not in the ACC? Its a non-starter at the moment but if they were to go and the ACC needed backfill ECU has the FB facilities for it.

Nope. Not as long as NC State and Wake Forest are in there. And not as long as we remain an R2.
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(05-10-2022 04:40 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  people can just get on a website and post anything huh

you were expecting....what?
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(05-11-2022 11:19 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:54 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 08:07 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Memphis (and Cincinnati previously until the Big 12 invite) faces a conundrum of sorts. As Quo notes, Tiger football is not remotely within the same realm as USC, Notre Dame, Bama, etc. football. But Memphis basketball is a major program overall — and UofM basketball needs Memphis football (to an extent) due to "conference home factors." Non-FBS-football-sponsoring Gonzaga and the Big East schools "have it easy," in that they automatically benefit from NOT having football.

Where do you think Louisville would be today if Howard Schellenberger decided to close down Louisville's FB program?

How many of those programs moved up to FBS with a goal of joining the AAC to improve their basketball conference?

Akron and Buffalo I would argue moved up to FBS to get into the MAC for basketball. Where would these programs be without it?

It’s an interesting question.

Things may be bad, but what’s the alternative? Do these schools benefit from not having football? Are any able to consolidate their limited resources to make a leap in basketball?

Residential higher education is increasingly needing to differentiate themselves as a luxury good. Offering college athletics and campus school spirit fit in that.

There are resources and then there is recruiting.

Some of these places just can't get the players no much how much they spend on basketball. Others can do it up to a certain level.

Nothing is easier to change in high major athletics than MBB recruiting. They can’t get the players because they don’t have the resources.

One player makes a huge difference on a season. You really only need one or two program changing recruits. Which is why MBB recruiting has always been unsavory. Paying top dollar for a coach or coaches historically the most clean way to move up.
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A big part of my whole thread is about NIL and how it effects recruiting and I think a whole lot of non bluebloods will be able to buy high star players, then when pay for play is here it will further spread talent around a lot more than now, and it doesn’t matter if there is a split or not
Personally I’d like to see two leagues instead of one with 130 schools
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(05-11-2022 11:26 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:19 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:54 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 08:07 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Memphis (and Cincinnati previously until the Big 12 invite) faces a conundrum of sorts. As Quo notes, Tiger football is not remotely within the same realm as USC, Notre Dame, Bama, etc. football. But Memphis basketball is a major program overall — and UofM basketball needs Memphis football (to an extent) due to "conference home factors." Non-FBS-football-sponsoring Gonzaga and the Big East schools "have it easy," in that they automatically benefit from NOT having football.

Where do you think Louisville would be today if Howard Schellenberger decided to close down Louisville's FB program?

How many of those programs moved up to FBS with a goal of joining the AAC to improve their basketball conference?

Akron and Buffalo I would argue moved up to FBS to get into the MAC for basketball. Where would these programs be without it?

It’s an interesting question.

Things may be bad, but what’s the alternative? Do these schools benefit from not having football? Are any able to consolidate their limited resources to make a leap in basketball?

Residential higher education is increasingly needing to differentiate themselves as a luxury good. Offering college athletics and campus school spirit fit in that.

There are resources and then there is recruiting.

Some of these places just can't get the players no much how much they spend on basketball. Others can do it up to a certain level.

Nothing is easier to change in high major athletics than MBB recruiting. They can’t get the players because they don’t have the resources.

One player makes a huge difference on a season. You really only need one or two program changing recruits. Which is why MBB recruiting has always been unsavory. Paying top dollar for a coach or coaches historically the most clean way to move up.

Grand Canyon paid up but they aren't even dominating the WAC.

Kent State consistently out recruits most of the MAC even though they don't spend more on their staff. Proximity to the conference tournament, rivalries all play in as factors. Being rivals with Akron, Buffalo and Ohio the other good basketball programs in the MAC helps drive perception.

The MAC all had multiple players hit the transfer portal. Ohio lost its PG to Alabama and gained a C from Louisville. Akron lost a SG to Missouri St and gained a PF from Old Miss. Central Michigan who is coached by Tony Barbee only signed a guy from a community college. They have a name coach but still couldn't sign anyone.

Even in the MAC where budgets are fairly even its the same programs every year at the top.
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(05-10-2022 05:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…

People will LOL at this, and of course it isn't happening, but there is more than a modicum of sense in this idea.

G5 schools are in the worst position in the college athletics firmament. They lose the most money off of athletics each year of any NCAA division. And it's because of the "need" to spend spend spend to keep up the facade that they really are in the "same league" with the Alabamas and Ohio States of the world. But without the operating revenue to support it.

Break away, and remove that pressure, and you probably save your students about $10 million a year easy in fees and subsidies and transfers from the academic side. Yes, you lose some revenue, but not nearly as much as you would save. That's why FCS schools run about $10m a year less in operating deficits than G5 schools.

One could argue that Cincinnati's team isn't as good if they willingly make the invisible line between themselves and the P5 a brick wall.

One could also argue that they would have had more trouble making a CFP appearance in a different, lower league.

All speculation of course. I also am purely speculating when I say that the OP isn't volunteering his team to cancel their big 12 move to be part of the big G5 breakaway.
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(05-11-2022 11:41 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:26 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:19 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 10:54 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Where do you think Louisville would be today if Howard Schellenberger decided to close down Louisville's FB program?

How many of those programs moved up to FBS with a goal of joining the AAC to improve their basketball conference?

Akron and Buffalo I would argue moved up to FBS to get into the MAC for basketball. Where would these programs be without it?

It’s an interesting question.

Things may be bad, but what’s the alternative? Do these schools benefit from not having football? Are any able to consolidate their limited resources to make a leap in basketball?

Residential higher education is increasingly needing to differentiate themselves as a luxury good. Offering college athletics and campus school spirit fit in that.

There are resources and then there is recruiting.

Some of these places just can't get the players no much how much they spend on basketball. Others can do it up to a certain level.

Nothing is easier to change in high major athletics than MBB recruiting. They can’t get the players because they don’t have the resources.

One player makes a huge difference on a season. You really only need one or two program changing recruits. Which is why MBB recruiting has always been unsavory. Paying top dollar for a coach or coaches historically the most clean way to move up.

Grand Canyon paid up but they aren't even dominating the WAC.

Kent State consistently out recruits most of the MAC even though they don't spend more on their staff. Proximity to the conference tournament, rivalries all play in as factors. Being rivals with Akron, Buffalo and Ohio the other good basketball programs in the MAC helps drive perception.

The MAC all had multiple players hit the transfer portal. Ohio lost its PG to Alabama and gained a C from Louisville. Akron lost a SG to Missouri St and gained a PF from Old Miss. Central Michigan who is coached by Tony Barbee only signed a guy from a community college. They have a name coach but still couldn't sign anyone.

Even in the MAC where budgets are fairly even its the same programs every year at the top.

The failed Vanderbilt coach is paying up? He’s been there how long? Keep spending money and they will. Particularly now with NIL.

Comparing how poorly low budget MAC schools are doing is a great example.

Gonzaga spends more than many P6 schools on basketball. Spokane isn’t a geographical advantage.

Invest in the program at P6 level and success will follow. You can also get lucky, and have success and then funding will come, but that’s more circumstance and luck. Gonzaga, Wichita St, Creighton are not hotbeds of talent.

Whether schools are able to invest is a different question.
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(05-11-2022 11:59 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:41 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:26 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:19 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(05-11-2022 11:12 AM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  It’s an interesting question.

Things may be bad, but what’s the alternative? Do these schools benefit from not having football? Are any able to consolidate their limited resources to make a leap in basketball?

Residential higher education is increasingly needing to differentiate themselves as a luxury good. Offering college athletics and campus school spirit fit in that.

There are resources and then there is recruiting.

Some of these places just can't get the players no much how much they spend on basketball. Others can do it up to a certain level.

Nothing is easier to change in high major athletics than MBB recruiting. They can’t get the players because they don’t have the resources.

One player makes a huge difference on a season. You really only need one or two program changing recruits. Which is why MBB recruiting has always been unsavory. Paying top dollar for a coach or coaches historically the most clean way to move up.

Grand Canyon paid up but they aren't even dominating the WAC.

Kent State consistently out recruits most of the MAC even though they don't spend more on their staff. Proximity to the conference tournament, rivalries all play in as factors. Being rivals with Akron, Buffalo and Ohio the other good basketball programs in the MAC helps drive perception.

The MAC all had multiple players hit the transfer portal. Ohio lost its PG to Alabama and gained a C from Louisville. Akron lost a SG to Missouri St and gained a PF from Old Miss. Central Michigan who is coached by Tony Barbee only signed a guy from a community college. They have a name coach but still couldn't sign anyone.

Even in the MAC where budgets are fairly even its the same programs every year at the top.

The failed Vanderbilt coach is paying up? He’s been there how long? Keep spending money and they will. Particularly now with NIL.

Comparing how poorly low budget MAC schools are doing is a great example.

Gonzaga spends more than many P6 schools on basketball. Spokane isn’t a geographical advantage.

Invest in the program at P6 level and success will follow. You can also get lucky, and have success and then funding will come, but that’s more circumstance and luck. Gonzaga, Wichita St, Creighton are not hotbeds of talent.

Whether schools are able to invest is a different question.

I'm convinced spending can only take you so far.

UNT pays a lot but hasn't really gotten anywhere, even with a new stadium.

Rank I think is also important. Part of what helped VT when it joined the Big East is all of the sudden its FB team was ahead in the recruiting rank of metro conference schools since it was in a BCS conference.

Liberty while paying 4 million for its FB coach has not been able to get into the Top 10. They have limits to the type of recruiting class that will go there.
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RE: With NIL, now is the time for G conferences to make first move and split !
(05-10-2022 04:05 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 03:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  LOL
You my think it’s funny now but even the left outs have the NIL, it’s the great recruiting Equalizer that the A conferences are afraid of and keeps them from breaking away because if they do or don’t the g conferences can buy players on the open market just like them and they don’t want top recruits going to the “ other league “ in any real numbers but they can’t stop it, I think a split would have already happened for not for the arrival oF NIL

Not following the logic. You indicate you believe NIL is the great equalizer that will allow the G5 to compete toe-to-toe with the P5---then you want to run away from that competition and start what will be perceived as a separate lesser brand JV league. Why wouldnt the G5 just stay where they are and use the NIL equalizer to win a national title that would be widely recognized by the general public?
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(05-10-2022 10:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  How could that work out? I have thought of a bowl +1 playoff for the G5.

Holiday Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Independence Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Cure Bowl (G5 champ vs. Top at-large)

Get Weedeater back as a title sponsor and I think you're on the verge of something really big
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The guy who started this thread should get an automatic -10 rating for it.

His call for G5 leadership reminds me of this old Smith's song from my college days (yikes over 35 years ago now), and it's just as realistic.



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RE: With NIL, now is the time for G conferences to make first move and split !
(05-11-2022 12:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 04:05 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 03:41 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  LOL
You my think it’s funny now but even the left outs have the NIL, it’s the great recruiting Equalizer that the A conferences are afraid of and keeps them from breaking away because if they do or don’t the g conferences can buy players on the open market just like them and they don’t want top recruits going to the “ other league “ in any real numbers but they can’t stop it, I think a split would have already happened for not for the arrival oF NIL

Not following the logic. You indicate you believe NIL is the great equalizer that will allow the G5 to compete toe-to-toe with the P5---then you want to run away from that competition and start what will be perceived as a separate lesser brand JV league. Why wouldnt the G5 just stay where they are and use the NIL equalizer to win a national title that would be widely recognized by the general public?
Let’s look at it this way; there’s one league with 130 schools if split down the middle so to speak it would look something like this

League A
Big 10
SEC
MAC
ACC
SUNBELT


League B
PAC12
BIG12
MWC
AAC
C-USA
These two leagues could be set up like MLB and have their own playoffs then meet for a final champion
It would be better to have different networks for each league
With NIL it will help spread out blue chip players
Could something similar to this happen… yes but probably not
This is an overarching idea, the little details are for other posters
I will say this is without a doubt the best way to make the most amount of money, if it’s only about money then it has a chance
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(05-11-2022 11:47 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 05:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  It makes perfect sense, now that players go to the highest bidder it doesn’t matter what league a team is in if they are paying the big bucks, plenty of G schools can afford the big bucks so we will see 5* and 4* players in both leagues right from the get go…
So we have 130 FBs schools, well that’s too many for one league, so why wait and see what the A5 decides to do, it’s time for the G conferences to be proactive and make the first move here…

People will LOL at this, and of course it isn't happening, but there is more than a modicum of sense in this idea.

G5 schools are in the worst position in the college athletics firmament. They lose the most money off of athletics each year of any NCAA division. And it's because of the "need" to spend spend spend to keep up the facade that they really are in the "same league" with the Alabamas and Ohio States of the world. But without the operating revenue to support it.

Break away, and remove that pressure, and you probably save your students about $10 million a year easy in fees and subsidies and transfers from the academic side. Yes, you lose some revenue, but not nearly as much as you would save. That's why FCS schools run about $10m a year less in operating deficits than G5 schools.

One could argue that Cincinnati's team isn't as good if they willingly make the invisible line between themselves and the P5 a brick wall.

One could also argue that they would have had more trouble making a CFP appearance in a different, lower league.

All speculation of course. I also am purely speculating when I say that the OP isn't volunteering his team to cancel their big 12 move to be part of the big G5 breakaway.
For your information I have always say in these threads that I want houston to stay in the AAC and everyone else, going to the b12 is a gamble, will the b12 stay a power conference? Who knows, I have zero connections to those teams there and I’ve been following cougars sports for 50 years
I think the A5 is a trashy rigged system, starting with the way the network contracts are structured, then there’s the 4 year old legal gamboling, “ gezz what could go wrong there” “ see ref Manipulation “, then if that’s not enough control they have a “ selection committee “
I think it was jrsec that said some sec games have $50m riding on that one game and the refs make about $1,500 per game so It’s ripe for corruption
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RE: With NIL, now is the time for G conferences to make first move and split !
(05-11-2022 12:20 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 10:44 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  How could that work out? I have thought of a bowl +1 playoff for the G5.

Holiday Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Independence Bowl (G5 champ vs. G5 champ)
Cure Bowl (G5 champ vs. Top at-large)

Get Weedeater back as a title sponsor and I think you're on the verge of something really big

Ha.

Hoping for a P5/G5 split with some larger bowl games going over to the G5 as part if the settlement.

Games like Holiday, Sun and Independence which they used to have.
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