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(05-12-2022 11:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  
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(05-12-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  It’s interesting that people seem to forget ESPN literally put the current ACC together from FSU to Louisville and created the ACCN.

What do you think their goal there was?

I'll answer your question with a question.

What was "their goal" when ESPN created the Longhorn Network?

1) Make money

2) Keep UT (and OU) away from the Pac-12

The landscape changes and evolves, though, and only half of that "acquisition" worked as planned

The Longhorn Network was a flop for several well-chronicled reasons, but ESPN learned a valuable lesson in the process: Great brands are worth a lot more when surrounded by other great brands.

UT and OU's move to the SEC creates a rising tide that lifts all boats.

Similarly, FSU and Clemson would create more value in the SEC than the ACC for both the schools themselves, their new conference and their media partner(s).

Same goes for UNC, UVA and Duke joining the B1G or the SEC.

The ACC in 2022 is seen as a diminished brand (check out what your fellow UNC fans think at InsideCarolina) and eventually those top-tier brands are gonna leave for a better neighborhood and a bigger paycheck.

Again, it's not that complicated once you get past the hurt feelings and the lawyers hammering out the terms of the departure.

I somehow don't think Esayem and Xlance are going to feel any better when they read this line while hearing the theme song to "The Jeffersons" playing in their minds!

Not necessarily.

Won’t feel good: UNC joins the Big Ten. There is literally nothing appealing about playing road games in such locales as College Park, New Brunswick, or the cult of Happy Valley. Or the Icelandic tundras of Minneapolis, Iowa City, and Madison. Beer might help in Madison, we played them like 20 years ago.

Feel great: UNC remains in the ACC with like-minded institutions and the revenue gap isn’t as big of a deal or it gets closer one way or another. This might be wishful thinking and that’s fine.

Feel good to great: UNC joins the “SEC” umbrella with a 3-7 current ACC members and maintains an ACC identity. I’d love to make conference treks to Athens, Knoxville, and NashVegas.

so with that in mind, you would be fine with every ACC school south of the state of VA (but not including that state) joining SEC?

(I'll leave it to you whether you prefer to dis-include wake forest or any other specific school.)

If that happened, what do you think happens to the rest of the ACC?

And an interesting question - as a fan, do you care? : )
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(05-13-2022 02:54 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  so with that in mind, you would be fine with every ACC school south of the state of VA (but not including that state) joining SEC?

(I'll leave it to you whether you prefer to dis-include wake forest or any other specific school.)

If that happened, what do you think happens to the rest of the ACC?

And an interesting question - as a fan, do you care? : )

I think UVa, UNC, and Duke will stick together no matter what happens, whether that be holding down the fort with no change in membership or without Clemson/FSU (since they are brought up the most). I see the three sticking together even if it's moving to the SEC to form an Atlantic wing. I've already outlined why I think the Big 10 is a terrible idea. It would place Chapel Hill as an outpost, while currently we are the center of a league we built.

If those three were to leave with some combination of other universities, I believe the leftover ACC schools would merge with some ESPN AAC coastal schools like Temple, Navy, ECU, UNCC, USF etc. or perhaps even academic minded schools like Tulane, Rice, and SMU. This all depends on which schools are left over, of course. I could see Syracuse and maybe even Pitt end up in the Big 10 if they are unsuccessful in southern expansion. Louisville seems like a logical Big XII invitee in a doomsday scenario.

I do care because I want what's best for schools like Wake, which I have ties to. I like Boston College as well, but they've always seemed like an odd fit in the ACC because as soon as they were brought in they stopped playing Miami yearly, which was the whole reason they wanted to join; the plan was to follow Miami to the ends of the earth. Both are in vulnerable positions as private schools with smaller fanbases.
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I have always thought those 3 were closely linked.
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(05-13-2022 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 02:54 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  so with that in mind, you would be fine with every ACC school south of the state of VA (but not including that state) joining SEC?

(I'll leave it to you whether you prefer to dis-include wake forest or any other specific school.)

If that happened, what do you think happens to the rest of the ACC?

And an interesting question - as a fan, do you care? : )

I think UVa, UNC, and Duke will stick together no matter what happens, whether that be holding down the fort with no change in membership or without Clemson/FSU (since they are brought up the most). I see the three sticking together even if it's moving to the SEC to form an Atlantic wing. I've already outlined why I think the Big 10 is a terrible idea. It would place Chapel Hill as an outpost, while currently we are the center of a league we built.

If those three were to leave with some combination of other universities, I believe the leftover ACC schools would merge with some ESPN AAC coastal schools like Temple, Navy, ECU, UNCC, USF etc. or perhaps even academic minded schools like Tulane, Rice, and SMU. This all depends on which schools are left over, of course. I could see Syracuse and maybe even Pitt end up in the Big 10 if they are unsuccessful in southern expansion. Louisville seems like a logical Big XII invitee in a doomsday scenario.

I do care because I want what's best for schools like Wake, which I have ties to. I like Boston College as well, but they've always seemed like an odd fit in the ACC because as soon as they were brought in they stopped playing Miami yearly, which was the whole reason they wanted to join; the plan was to follow Miami to the ends of the earth. Both are in vulnerable positions as private schools with smaller fanbases.

If it goes down like that I could see a scenario where UNC, Duke, UVA, VT, NCSU, Miami, GT, FSU and Clemson end up in different leagues and something that looks a lot like the last version of the Big East football conference emerges + Temple, USF, UCF, ECU and Wake Forest.. Maybe Navy. Who knows what Navy will do? I'd love for that to happen as an ECU fan. At that point maybe Wake would stump for us... to dream I guess.

North - BC, UConn, Cuse, Temple, Pitt, WVU
South - Cincy, Louisville, Wake, ECU, UCF, USF
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(05-13-2022 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  I think UVa, UNC, and Duke will stick together no matter what happens,

This seems every bit as certain as Notre Dame never joining the ACC for football.

Which is good because the Heels, Hoos and Devils always should be in the same conference
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(05-13-2022 10:34 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  I think UVa, UNC, and Duke will stick together no matter what happens,

This seems every bit as certain as Notre Dame never joining the ACC for football.

Which is good because the Heels, Hoos and Devils always should be in the same conference

Just not sure the SEC or Big 10 would take Duke (saying this as a Duke fan). Hope we have a home in the future, but smaller private schools that aren’t great at football don’t necessarily jump out to these conferences.
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RE: Per ACC Commissioner: P5 Not Breaking Away
(05-13-2022 10:40 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 10:34 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  I think UVa, UNC, and Duke will stick together no matter what happens,

This seems every bit as certain as Notre Dame never joining the ACC for football.

Which is good because the Heels, Hoos and Devils always should be in the same conference

Just not sure the SEC or Big 10 would take Duke (saying this as a Duke fan). Hope we have a home in the future, but smaller private schools that aren’t great at football don’t necessarily jump out to these conferences.

Best to talk UNC into putting pride aside, and stumping for SEC invites now. Leverage only goes down every year closer to GOR expiration, as well as some risk the brand value decreases, whether due to coaching changes or getting paid less while not in the informal P2.

Pure basketball brands like Duke and KU are most valuable to the SEC. The SEC has the football to subsidize KU and Duke football in order to get the basketball gains. In fact, any school that can be close in value, but doesn't need to football success to add value is good for the SEC. It avoids cannibalism of football brands. They also diversify the SEC if football popularity declines over the next generation from Boomers being replaced by Gen Z, or something like CTE. And it gives ESPN the big tent needed to tackle the basketball side. The SEC being the unequivocal premier conference in CFB and MBB would be big leverage for ESPN
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(05-13-2022 10:40 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Just not sure the SEC or Big 10 would take Duke (saying this as a Duke fan). Hope we have a home in the future, but smaller private schools that aren’t great at football don’t necessarily jump out to these conferences.

Both the SEC and the B1G would take Duke in a hot minute — particularly in a guaranteed trio with UNC and UVA.

Just cannot, however, imagine, the Devils joining the SEC under any circumstances.

That would make absolutely zero sense for Duke as an institution much less an athletic program.
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(05-13-2022 10:27 AM)b2b Wrote:  If it goes down like that I could see a scenario where UNC, Duke, UVA, VT, NCSU, Miami, GT, FSU and Clemson end up in different leagues and something that looks a lot like the last version of the Big East football conference emerges + Temple, USF, UCF, ECU and Wake Forest.. Maybe Navy. Who knows what Navy will do? I'd love for that to happen as an ECU fan. At that point maybe Wake would stump for us... to dream I guess.

North - BC, UConn, Cuse, Temple, Pitt, WVU
South - Cincy, Louisville, Wake, ECU, UCF, USF

You think that league would take ECU over Memphis (nothing against the Pirates, mind you)?

Pretty sure Louisville, Cincinnati and UConn would push for the Tigers because of old rivalries and/or historical basketball success.
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(05-13-2022 10:27 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 02:54 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  so with that in mind, you would be fine with every ACC school south of the state of VA (but not including that state) joining SEC?

(I'll leave it to you whether you prefer to dis-include wake forest or any other specific school.)

If that happened, what do you think happens to the rest of the ACC?

And an interesting question - as a fan, do you care? : )

I think UVa, UNC, and Duke will stick together no matter what happens, whether that be holding down the fort with no change in membership or without Clemson/FSU (since they are brought up the most). I see the three sticking together even if it's moving to the SEC to form an Atlantic wing. I've already outlined why I think the Big 10 is a terrible idea. It would place Chapel Hill as an outpost, while currently we are the center of a league we built.

If those three were to leave with some combination of other universities, I believe the leftover ACC schools would merge with some ESPN AAC coastal schools like Temple, Navy, ECU, UNCC, USF etc. or perhaps even academic minded schools like Tulane, Rice, and SMU. This all depends on which schools are left over, of course. I could see Syracuse and maybe even Pitt end up in the Big 10 if they are unsuccessful in southern expansion. Louisville seems like a logical Big XII invitee in a doomsday scenario.

I do care because I want what's best for schools like Wake, which I have ties to. I like Boston College as well, but they've always seemed like an odd fit in the ACC because as soon as they were brought in they stopped playing Miami yearly, which was the whole reason they wanted to join; the plan was to follow Miami to the ends of the earth. Both are in vulnerable positions as private schools with smaller fanbases.

If it goes down like that I could see a scenario where UNC, Duke, UVA, VT, NCSU, Miami, GT, FSU and Clemson end up in different leagues and something that looks a lot like the last version of the Big East football conference emerges + Temple, USF, UCF, ECU and Wake Forest.. Maybe Navy. Who knows what Navy will do? I'd love for that to happen as an ECU fan. At that point maybe Wake would stump for us... to dream I guess.

North - BC, UConn, Cuse, Temple, Pitt, WVU
South - Cincy, Louisville, Wake, ECU, UCF, USF

What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.

If 9 ACC teams get in the SEC and Big Ten, then Kansas probably got in somewhere as well. In this scenario I think the Big XII would pick over the ACC remnants for a few select properties.
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(05-12-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  It’s interesting that people seem to forget ESPN literally put the current ACC together from FSU to Louisville and created the ACCN.

What do you think their goal there was?

ESPN is has been positioning it’s pieces for years. They’re playing the long game. Over a decade ago Gene Filippo announced that ESPN was telling the ACC who to take. Does anyone really believe ESPN didn’t have a hand in Texas and Oklahoma leaving The Big 12?

ESPN has the historically best basketball conference and the historically best football conference on their own networks. By 2024 ESPN will have all broadcast rights of The SEC and all of The ACC.

ESPN just finished moving a lot of value out of the Big 12 by moving Texas and Oklahoma to The SEC by ‘23 or ‘24.

If you take The ACC 14 + The SEC 16 + Notre Dame, that’s 31. If you add The Big East, as JR has suggested in the past, that’s 42 for a breakaway division. 42 teams free from the shackles of The NCAA.

The thought that ESPN is just going to let 4 or 5 their properties from The ACC go to The Big Ten, without a fight, is shortsighted. Beyond Pitt, Syracuse or Boston College, I don’t see anyone else in The ACC being interested in joining The ACC. It’s as much about culture thing as it location.

The only thing that could upset the apple cart is NIL. Some schools in both The SEC and The ACC are not going to be able to compete with what’s coming. Some schools are going to choose to simply not to.

I don’t see UNC leaving The ACC anytime in the future. Just like Louisville we aren’t going anywhere either. We’ll ride or die with what we have. NIL has raised our recruiting to another level. We’ve got a women’s basketball player making $100,000 per sponsored tweet. That’s crazy money. UofL’s new Director of Basketball Operations Justin Perez. His Mom is CEO of a company called ROC Nation. We expect some NIL ties between ROC Nation and UofL Athletics.

Honestly I don’t know what’s going to happen but Louisville will be fine with whatever happens.

Me and you have been hanging out here for a long time. We’ve seen The ACC left for dead by The Big 12 fanboys like The Dude 03-lmfao It never seems to work out like they predict though.

If, and it’s a big if, if ESPN chooses to move ACC properties to The SEC, The ACC will reload from The Big 12 and we’ll continue on. As Frank has pointed out the last 15 years or so the peaking order doesn’t change.
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(05-13-2022 11:16 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 10:27 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 02:54 AM)Skyhawk Wrote:  so with that in mind, you would be fine with every ACC school south of the state of VA (but not including that state) joining SEC?

(I'll leave it to you whether you prefer to dis-include wake forest or any other specific school.)

If that happened, what do you think happens to the rest of the ACC?

And an interesting question - as a fan, do you care? : )

I think UVa, UNC, and Duke will stick together no matter what happens, whether that be holding down the fort with no change in membership or without Clemson/FSU (since they are brought up the most). I see the three sticking together even if it's moving to the SEC to form an Atlantic wing. I've already outlined why I think the Big 10 is a terrible idea. It would place Chapel Hill as an outpost, while currently we are the center of a league we built.

If those three were to leave with some combination of other universities, I believe the leftover ACC schools would merge with some ESPN AAC coastal schools like Temple, Navy, ECU, UNCC, USF etc. or perhaps even academic minded schools like Tulane, Rice, and SMU. This all depends on which schools are left over, of course. I could see Syracuse and maybe even Pitt end up in the Big 10 if they are unsuccessful in southern expansion. Louisville seems like a logical Big XII invitee in a doomsday scenario.

I do care because I want what's best for schools like Wake, which I have ties to. I like Boston College as well, but they've always seemed like an odd fit in the ACC because as soon as they were brought in they stopped playing Miami yearly, which was the whole reason they wanted to join; the plan was to follow Miami to the ends of the earth. Both are in vulnerable positions as private schools with smaller fanbases.

If it goes down like that I could see a scenario where UNC, Duke, UVA, VT, NCSU, Miami, GT, FSU and Clemson end up in different leagues and something that looks a lot like the last version of the Big East football conference emerges + Temple, USF, UCF, ECU and Wake Forest.. Maybe Navy. Who knows what Navy will do? I'd love for that to happen as an ECU fan. At that point maybe Wake would stump for us... to dream I guess.

North - BC, UConn, Cuse, Temple, Pitt, WVU
South - Cincy, Louisville, Wake, ECU, UCF, USF

What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.

If 9 ACC teams get in the SEC and Big Ten, then Kansas probably got in somewhere as well. In this scenario I think the Big XII would pick over the ACC remnants for a few select properties.

I think it would be the Big 12, but the name doesn't matter- if the P2 goes to 48 teams, there will be only 1 leftover conference pretending to be in a "P3".

The ACC, due to its deal, is a zombie. It is weak, about to be doubled by P2 in revenue during the NIL and pay to play era, and schools can only change that via dissolution.

Once the top schools are in the SEC, it is basically the American 2.0. WVU may have some interest, but it will be equally interested in being in the Big 12 East. Also, UNC and ESPN are not letting the ACC name carry on with Wake and Pitt, it will be a division in the SEC
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(05-13-2022 11:16 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.

If 9 ACC teams get in the SEC and Big Ten, then Kansas probably got in somewhere as well. In this scenario I think the Big XII would pick over the ACC remnants for a few select properties.

Come on you’re smarter than that. You been here a while. You’ve seen the death of The ACC reported here multiple times. Every time it didn’t work out like it was predicted. This time will be no different.
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(05-13-2022 11:16 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.

Nah ...

Boston College
Connecticut
Louisville
Miami
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
+ Memphis
+ USF

equals a much better geographical (and cultural) fit for Cincinnati, UCF and West Virginia than:

Baylor
BYU
Houston
Iowa State
K-State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech

Spending a year or two in the Big XII won't change that fact for any of those three schools
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(05-13-2022 12:07 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 11:16 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.

If 9 ACC teams get in the SEC and Big Ten, then Kansas probably got in somewhere as well. In this scenario I think the Big XII would pick over the ACC remnants for a few select properties.

Come on you’re smarter than that. You been here a while. You’ve seen the death of The ACC reported here multiple times. Every time it didn’t work out like it was predicted. This time will be no different.

Has it been reported by ACC ADs before? When facing a $500 million revenue gap over 10 years?

It could be bluster, but what exactly are they going to get from shaking down Phillips?
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(05-13-2022 12:07 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 11:16 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.

If 9 ACC teams get in the SEC and Big Ten, then Kansas probably got in somewhere as well. In this scenario I think the Big XII would pick over the ACC remnants for a few select properties.

Come on you’re smarter than that. You been here a while. You’ve seen the death of The ACC reported here multiple times. Every time it didn’t work out like it was predicted. This time will be no different.

Has it been reported by ACC ADs before? When facing a $500 million revenue gap over 10 years?

It could be bluster, but what exactly are they going to get from shaking down Phillips?

And the PAC and the crippled Big 12 are not facing the same gap?
The NB12 will probably get somewhere between the current Big 12 $$ and what the AAC is now getting paid in their next contract, if they are lucky.
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(05-13-2022 12:31 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 12:07 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 11:16 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.

If 9 ACC teams get in the SEC and Big Ten, then Kansas probably got in somewhere as well. In this scenario I think the Big XII would pick over the ACC remnants for a few select properties.

Come on you’re smarter than that. You been here a while. You’ve seen the death of The ACC reported here multiple times. Every time it didn’t work out like it was predicted. This time will be no different.

Has it been reported by ACC ADs before? When facing a $500 million revenue gap over 10 years?

It could be bluster, but what exactly are they going to get from shaking down Phillips?

And the PAC and the crippled Big 12 are not facing the same gap?
The NB12 will probably get somewhere between the current Big 12 $$ and what the AAC is now getting paid in their next contract, if they are lucky.

The Pac 12 is also in a bad spot, but they have the geography moat. They go on zombie list if ESPN gets shutout of BIG deal.

The Big 12 is projected to be at ACC level, AFTER losing their schools of value. There is just no around how bad that ACC deal is, and the only relief is dissolution.

Add in ESPN having tangible motivation to move the top ACC schools to the SEC, and the schools benefitting, and the ACC is not for long. The AD comments just tell us they see what is obvious as well as we do.
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RE: Per ACC Commissioner: P5 Not Breaking Away
(05-13-2022 11:59 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-12-2022 10:02 AM)esayem Wrote:  It’s interesting that people seem to forget ESPN literally put the current ACC together from FSU to Louisville and created the ACCN.

What do you think their goal there was?

ESPN is has been positioning it’s pieces for years. They’re playing the long game. Over a decade ago Gene Filippo announced that ESPN was telling the ACC who to take. Does anyone really believe ESPN didn’t have a hand in Texas and Oklahoma leaving The Big 12?

ESPN has the historically best basketball conference and the historically best football conference on their own networks. By 2024 ESPN will have all broadcast rights of The SEC and all of The ACC.

ESPN just finished moving a lot of value out of the Big 12 by moving Texas and Oklahoma to The SEC by ‘23 or ‘24.

If you take The ACC 14 + The SEC 16 + Notre Dame, that’s 31. If you add The Big East, as JR has suggested in the past, that’s 42 for a breakaway division. 42 teams free from the shackles of The NCAA.

The thought that ESPN is just going to let 4 or 5 their properties from The ACC go to The Big Ten, without a fight, is shortsighted. Beyond Pitt, Syracuse or Boston College, I don’t see anyone else in The ACC being interested in joining The ACC. It’s as much about culture thing as it location.

The only thing that could upset the apple cart is NIL. Some schools in both The SEC and The ACC are not going to be able to compete with what’s coming. Some schools are going to choose to simply not to.

I don’t see UNC leaving The ACC anytime in the future. Just like Louisville we aren’t going anywhere either. We’ll ride or die with what we have. NIL has raised our recruiting to another level. We’ve got a women’s basketball player making $100,000 per sponsored tweet. That’s crazy money. UofL’s new Director of Basketball Operations Justin Perez. His Mom is CEO of a company called ROC Nation. We expect some NIL ties between ROC Nation and UofL Athletics.

Honestly I don’t know what’s going to happen but Louisville will be fine with whatever happens.

Me and you have been hanging out here for a long time. We’ve seen The ACC left for dead by The Big 12 fanboys like The Dude 03-lmfao It never seems to work out like they predict though.

If, and it’s a big if, if ESPN chooses to move ACC properties to The SEC, The ACC will reload from The Big 12 and we’ll continue on. As Frank has pointed out the last 15 years or so the peaking order doesn’t change.

Ya darn right!
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RE: Per ACC Commissioner: P5 Not Breaking Away
(05-13-2022 11:06 AM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 10:27 AM)b2b Wrote:  If it goes down like that I could see a scenario where UNC, Duke, UVA, VT, NCSU, Miami, GT, FSU and Clemson end up in different leagues and something that looks a lot like the last version of the Big East football conference emerges + Temple, USF, UCF, ECU and Wake Forest.. Maybe Navy. Who knows what Navy will do? I'd love for that to happen as an ECU fan. At that point maybe Wake would stump for us... to dream I guess.

North - BC, UConn, Cuse, Temple, Pitt, WVU
South - Cincy, Louisville, Wake, ECU, UCF, USF

You think that league would take ECU over Memphis (nothing against the Pirates, mind you)?

Pretty sure Louisville, Cincinnati and UConn would push for the Tigers because of old rivalries and/or historical basketball success.

IDK if they would or wouldn't. Like I said it's a probably pipe dream. History says ECU gets left out or gets one of the last lifeboats available. My thought process was that ECU being on the East coast would help. I see your point with Memphis though. Maybe they both end up in some league each fanbase can stomach... I can tell you this that being in a league with UNCC, UNT, UTSA and Rice disgusts me. I was hoping we'd evolved way past that but I guess not.

Either way it's really tough to tell what ends up happening to all the schools who get left out of the Big 10 and SEC. There's going to be some kind of poaching and realigning of the other leagues as they're feasting on the ACC and B12... about a million possible outcomes.
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RE: Per ACC Commissioner: P5 Not Breaking Away
(05-13-2022 12:29 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-13-2022 11:16 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote:  What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.

Nah ...

Boston College
Connecticut
Louisville
Miami
Pitt
Syracuse
Wake Forest
+ Memphis
+ USF

equals a much better geographical (and cultural) fit for Cincinnati, UCF and West Virginia than:

Baylor
BYU
Houston
Iowa State
K-State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech

Spending a year or two in the Big XII won't change that fact for any of those three schools

In this proposed scenario the ACC leftovers were: Louisville, PITT, 'CUSE, BC and Wake. Miami got a golden ticket.

Do I think UC, UCF, and WVU would leave the current Big XII minus Kansas to join up with those 5 ACC remnants? I absolutely do not.

In this scenario Temple, ECU, USF, and UCONN were also included. Would that make it more enticing than the Big XII without Kansas? I think that makes it less enticing, but that's just me.

They can stay in the Big XII. Invite any of those 5 they want, +/- Memphis and USF and have their own POD in the next best conference, which will be included in any breakaway. Oklahoma State and similar schools aren't getting shut out of the top tier while the dregs of the SEC and Big Ten get a free ride.
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