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RE: Per ACC Commissioner: P5 Not Breaking Away
(05-13-2022 11:16 AM)BatonRougeEscapee Wrote: (05-13-2022 10:27 AM)b2b Wrote: (05-13-2022 09:49 AM)esayem Wrote: (05-13-2022 02:54 AM)Skyhawk Wrote: so with that in mind, you would be fine with every ACC school south of the state of VA (but not including that state) joining SEC?
(I'll leave it to you whether you prefer to dis-include wake forest or any other specific school.)
If that happened, what do you think happens to the rest of the ACC?
And an interesting question - as a fan, do you care? : )
I think UVa, UNC, and Duke will stick together no matter what happens, whether that be holding down the fort with no change in membership or without Clemson/FSU (since they are brought up the most). I see the three sticking together even if it's moving to the SEC to form an Atlantic wing. I've already outlined why I think the Big 10 is a terrible idea. It would place Chapel Hill as an outpost, while currently we are the center of a league we built.
If those three were to leave with some combination of other universities, I believe the leftover ACC schools would merge with some ESPN AAC coastal schools like Temple, Navy, ECU, UNCC, USF etc. or perhaps even academic minded schools like Tulane, Rice, and SMU. This all depends on which schools are left over, of course. I could see Syracuse and maybe even Pitt end up in the Big 10 if they are unsuccessful in southern expansion. Louisville seems like a logical Big XII invitee in a doomsday scenario.
I do care because I want what's best for schools like Wake, which I have ties to. I like Boston College as well, but they've always seemed like an odd fit in the ACC because as soon as they were brought in they stopped playing Miami yearly, which was the whole reason they wanted to join; the plan was to follow Miami to the ends of the earth. Both are in vulnerable positions as private schools with smaller fanbases.
If it goes down like that I could see a scenario where UNC, Duke, UVA, VT, NCSU, Miami, GT, FSU and Clemson end up in different leagues and something that looks a lot like the last version of the Big East football conference emerges + Temple, USF, UCF, ECU and Wake Forest.. Maybe Navy. Who knows what Navy will do? I'd love for that to happen as an ECU fan. At that point maybe Wake would stump for us... to dream I guess.
North - BC, UConn, Cuse, Temple, Pitt, WVU
South - Cincy, Louisville, Wake, ECU, UCF, USF
What happened to the Big XII in this scenario? UC, UCF, and WVU aren't leaving the Big XII to join this conference. PITT and Louisville would be on their knees in Dallas begging for admission.
If 9 ACC teams get in the SEC and Big Ten, then Kansas probably got in somewhere as well. In this scenario I think the Big XII would pick over the ACC remnants for a few select properties.
I think it would be the Big 12, but the name doesn't matter- if the P2 goes to 48 teams, there will be only 1 leftover conference pretending to be in a "P3".
The ACC, due to its deal, is a zombie. It is weak, about to be doubled by P2 in revenue during the NIL and pay to play era, and schools can only change that via dissolution.
Once the top schools are in the SEC, it is basically the American 2.0. WVU may have some interest, but it will be equally interested in being in the Big 12 East. Also, UNC and ESPN are not letting the ACC name carry on with Wake and Pitt, it will be a division in the SEC
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