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RE: Per ACC Commissioner: P5 Not Breaking Away
(05-10-2022 02:18 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  So no tears from me, I will view it as the greatest day in FSU football history aside from the first national title.

Good thing is you won't have to wait until 2035.

Not even close ...
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RE: Per ACC Commissioner: P5 Not Breaking Away
The operative word, unspoken, is "yet." That he had to quell the rumor of immediate departure tells you such thinking is much farther along than many realize.

But at the moment we are seeing views and opinions all over the map from various P5 coaches and administrators. And right now the NCAA is bending over backwards to let the P5 get their way, because the threat is real.

I firmly believe this will happen, but only after the next set of media contracts and after everyone has a couple years of dealing with NIL under their belt. The P5 still cannot agree on the CFP and they have various views on media -- I am in the camp of believing that ESPN has already peaked and they are about to enter an era of serious erosion from competition from far deeper pockets in the consolidating media, entertainment and tech industries. The money is about to get larger, and the incentive to dump the NCAA as an agency and directly contract their own playoffs and tournament is literally in the $Billions annually. Inertia, lack of current consensus (but building) and some uncertainty about the media direction (needs clarity) are what is in the way. But I think the clock is ticking, and I expect a move in about three years time.
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(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The operative word, unspoken, is "yet." That he had to quell the rumor of immediate departure tells you such thinking is much farther along than many realize.

But at the moment we are seeing views and opinions all over the map from various P5 coaches and administrators. And right now the NCAA is bending over backwards to let the P5 get their way, because the threat is real.

I firmly believe this will happen, but only after the next set of media contracts and after everyone has a couple years of dealing with NIL under their belt. The P5 still cannot agree on the CFP and they have various views on media -- I am in the camp of believing that ESPN has already peaked and they are about to enter an era of serious erosion from competition from far deeper pockets in the consolidating media, entertainment and tech industries. The money is about to get larger, and the incentive to dump the NCAA as an agency and directly contract their own playoffs and tournament is literally in the $Billions annually. Inertia, lack of current consensus (but building) and some uncertainty about the media direction (needs clarity) are what is in the way. But I think the clock is ticking, and I expect a move in about three years time.

I don’t disagree with you, although I think the timeline would be later than three years. Three years is not that far off, I think we just had someone else predict a couple weeks ago it would be ~2035. Even when they announce it there would probably be minimumly two years notice. My guess is if/when it takes place we are still 5-7 years removed at the minimum.
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(05-10-2022 02:27 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 02:18 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  So no tears from me, I will view it as the greatest day in FSU football history aside from the first national title.

Good thing is you won't have to wait until 2035.

Not even close ...

You guys are cute.

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... this week.
... as far as Jim Phillips knows.
... P4 or P6 maybe, but not P5.
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Don’t be surprised if FSU gets Clemson, GT, and Miami as their annual football rivals. Their schedule will be markedly improved, and they won’t be playing BC and Syracuse the same season anymore.

Miami will also get Louisville and Clemson on the schedule much more often than now. Not that it matters who they play, the Canes have a total bandwagon fanbase so they’ll be there to watch as long as they’re winning.
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(05-10-2022 02:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Don’t be surprised if FSU gets Clemson, GT, and Miami as their annual football rivals. Their schedule will be markedly improved, and they won’t be playing BC and Syracuse the same season anymore.

All of that sounds good, I agree it would be marked improvement. I still want out at the first available opportunity, but anything that improves upon the Atlantic/Coastal nonsense while we serve out the sentence we foolishly agreed to is a welcome change.
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(05-10-2022 02:32 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The operative word, unspoken, is "yet." That he had to quell the rumor of immediate departure tells you such thinking is much farther along than many realize.

But at the moment we are seeing views and opinions all over the map from various P5 coaches and administrators. And right now the NCAA is bending over backwards to let the P5 get their way, because the threat is real.

I firmly believe this will happen, but only after the next set of media contracts and after everyone has a couple years of dealing with NIL under their belt. The P5 still cannot agree on the CFP and they have various views on media -- I am in the camp of believing that ESPN has already peaked and they are about to enter an era of serious erosion from competition from far deeper pockets in the consolidating media, entertainment and tech industries. The money is about to get larger, and the incentive to dump the NCAA as an agency and directly contract their own playoffs and tournament is literally in the $Billions annually. Inertia, lack of current consensus (but building) and some uncertainty about the media direction (needs clarity) are what is in the way. But I think the clock is ticking, and I expect a move in about three years time.

I don't believe Division I in whatever form will be 350+ members in 10 years. Something will change significantly.
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Yes, let's all hope the conferences get way more TV money.

I want my Cable / Streaming bill to go up some more.
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(05-10-2022 01:47 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 01:42 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 12:57 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  There is no real reason to breakaway. Financially or otherwise

I agree with this.

IMO, the P5, on balance, benefit considerably from having the G5 around, and they are well aware of that.

If the G5 didn't exist, the P5 would have to invent them, IMO.

Once the "autonomy" thing was settled 10 years ago, it's been all good for the P5, IMO.


Yup - the P5 basically has everything they want now, and have a good foil to blame issues on (The NCAA, which they in fact have defacto control of already).

Could they squeeze a few more dollars out? Probably, but as Frank says - the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

I agree any changes would be done in house of the NCAA. Something like re doing the play in games. By simply having play in games be nothing but at large teams could give P5 and stronger conferences more money by either getting a extra at large team in and/or extra wins for a conference. You're basically moving the extra unit the 16 seed play in winner get to a few more at large teams.
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(05-10-2022 02:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Don’t be surprised if FSU gets Clemson, GT, and Miami as their annual football rivals. Their schedule will be markedly improved, and they won’t be playing BC and Syracuse the same season anymore.

Hello?

FSU's schedule has included Clemson and FSU every season since the Noles joined the SEC.

Maybe our friend Gamenole can comment about his excitement of playing GT every season.

(05-10-2022 02:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Miami will also get Louisville and Clemson on the schedule much more often than now. Not that it matters who they play, the Canes have a total bandwagon fanbase so they’ll be there to watch as long as they’re winning.

We don't care about playing U of L any more in football than they care about playing us in men's basketball.

Instead of schedule tweaks, how about some info on the ACC-ESPN "look-in" meeting scheduled for this spring and how that might help narrow the ever-widening revenue gap between the Birmingham and Greensboro operations?

Not sure why some folks are so opposed to FSU and Clemson wanting to leave for a much-wealthier football-centric conference that also happens to be a far better cultural fit?

The Tobacco Road schools are strong enough to keep the ACC going even if those two leave.

Maybe just maybe Notre Dame will change its mind and join for all sports.
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(05-10-2022 03:17 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 02:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Don’t be surprised if FSU gets Clemson, GT, and Miami as their annual football rivals. Their schedule will be markedly improved, and they won’t be playing BC and Syracuse the same season anymore.

Hello?

FSU's schedule has included Clemson and FSU every season since the Noles joined the SEC.

Maybe our friend Gamenole can comment about his excitement of playing GT every season.

Indeed we've never not had Clemson or Miami, but Georgia Tech as an infrequent opponent is a sore spot in Tallahassee. Georgia Tech is the closest ACC school, geographically, and it's a ridiculous system that treats us to annual matchups with BC & Syracuse while skipping the Yellowjackets more often than not. So it would be a welcome improvement, but there is no such thing as an ACC schedule that could make me want to remain in the conference for one second longer than necessary.
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(05-10-2022 03:17 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  
(05-10-2022 02:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Don’t be surprised if FSU gets Clemson, GT, and Miami as their annual football rivals. Their schedule will be markedly improved, and they won’t be playing BC and Syracuse the same season anymore.

Hello?

FSU's schedule has included Clemson and FSU every season since the Noles joined the SEC.

Maybe our friend Gamenole can comment about his excitement of playing GT every season.

(05-10-2022 02:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Miami will also get Louisville and Clemson on the schedule much more often than now. Not that it matters who they play, the Canes have a total bandwagon fanbase so they’ll be there to watch as long as they’re winning.

We don't care about playing U of L any more in football than they care about playing us in men's basketball.

Instead of schedule tweaks, how about some info on the ACC-ESPN "look-in" meeting scheduled for this spring and how that might help narrow the ever-widening revenue gap between the Birmingham and Greensboro operations?

Not sure why some folks are so opposed to FSU and Clemson wanting to leave for a much-wealthier football-centric conference that also happens to be a far better cultural fit?

The Tobacco Road schools are strong enough to keep the ACC going even if those two leave.

Maybe just maybe Notre Dame will change its mind and join for all sports.

FSU has a large presence in Atlanta and it’s the closest conference opponent.

I’m not against FSU fans wanting to join the SEC, and the university certainly looked the part 30 years ago, but maybe the president has a different opinion these days.

Clemson is much more complicated than FSU. So if you don’t know much about the people that run the place and their culture, it won’t make sense. They could have withdrawn with SC, and they didn’t. They could have withdrawn and joined the SEC in 1990, according to JRSEC, but they didn’t. It’s much more complex than “let’s go to the SEC and make more money!”
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(05-10-2022 03:22 PM)Gamenole Wrote:  Georgia Tech is the closest ACC school, geographically, and it's a ridiculous system that treats us to annual matchups with BC & Syracuse while skipping the Yellowjackets more often than not. So it would be a welcome improvement, but there is no such thing as an ACC schedule that could make me want to remain in the conference for one second longer than necessary.

Doesn't mean Jim Phillips and his minions won't keep trying between now and when that SEC invite arrives in Trailerhassee 03-rotfl
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A quote from the article:

“ But now it appears that the Power Five conferences won’t be breaking way from the NCAA, at least not right now. “

At least not now. That’s far from definitive.
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(05-10-2022 02:18 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  The A5 should break away so that the remaining FBS schools can on with growing their own top level FBS league and with NIL 5* and 4* players will populate this new league, yeah our tv contracts will be less at first than the other FBS league but in a few short years it will be on par…

I can't tell if that's sarcasm or just delusion.
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Thats right Jim Phillips has proclaimed that the ACC is staying in the top tier of the sport. And a P5 comissioner has never been wrong about his membership leaving behind his back the next week... oh wait



(46:00)

All this really proves is that Jim isnt in the loop.
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Wouldn’t they rather NOT have a fall guy? Or is 1 too valuable to have if/when things go wrong?
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(05-10-2022 12:57 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  There is no real reason to breakaway. Financially or otherwise
I mean it amounts to " Mob announces not going straight".

Why would you if you have everything.

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The Schmolik Principle: As long as the little guys agree to the big guys' rules, the big guys will have no problem letting the little guys play in their league. What they want is more power and autonomy, they don't want to be limited because the smaller conferences can't afford it.
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