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RE: WKU and MTSU to the MAC Still Alive?
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MAC seems better, IMO.

Bad take.

CUSA is going to be one of the best mid major conferences in NCAA Basketball. They literally got freed of most of the dead NET weight and added consistent programs like NMSU and Liberty (and a NCAA team in JSU).

As for football, CUSA just welcomed these name coaches:
Jerry Kill
Rich Rodriguez
Sonny Cumbie
Hugh Freeze

CUSA has much better brands than the MAC. UTEP, WKU, MTSU, FIU, and Louisiana Tech were all valued higher than the majority of the Sunbelt which is why they either departed the Sunbelt or poached the Sunbelt in 2013. Teams like ULM, USA, Troy, etc, are like a lot of the MAC teams those CUSA teams have tried to avoid.

Then, SHSU is a recent FCS National Champion and JSU won the upset of the year last year against Florida State.
Liberty is probably the jewel of the new CUSA. They are one of the most well-funded programs in the G5. Their contract with Freeze speaks to their commitment. NMSU just embarrassed UCONN in the NCAA tournament,

All of that doesn't even take into account that the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

All of the MAC schools are so close together in Michigan and Ohio that they cannibalize their fellow conference mates recruiting classes.

CUSA was fortunate to retain a Florida and Texas presence. The MAC just can't offer those recruiting fields. When you add in Louisiana and Alabama, CUSA still has access to the greatest regions for talent acquisition in FBS. (And they aren't suffocating each other trying to land a 2 star)

It can be argued that a 9-team league is preferable to a 14-team league with SBC caliber talent (or even a 12 team league with MAC caliber talent).

If I was CUSA, I might add 1 or 2 more and go into a Double Round Robin Scheduling philosophy. That's literally the optimal league structure for those programs (Southern bent and compact).

TroyTBoy, you have lost all credibility with this post. FIU better than Troy?? Better than USA?? I'd say FIU might be a push with ULM, but that's as far as I would go with them.

UTEP??? Maybe in basketball, but in football, UTEP is horrid!!! Louisiana Tech is at best, comparable to Troy.

As for MTSU, they're too busy pimping for an AAC invite that won't come.

Liberty is one of the few programs that is worth a darn in C-USA. NM State is another. Congrats, you got the G5 western version of Kentucky. At least NM State is a land grant university.
WKU does have some good basketball history.
The problem with the MAC is that practically, no one wants to go to G5 college in the Rust Belt.
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RE: WKU and MTSU to the MAC Still Alive?
(05-08-2022 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Maybe they stick around CUSA long enough to collect some exit fees, then bolt for the MAC?

The MAC seems better, IMO.

This is the right answer. Collect millions I'm exit fees, then go to the MAC. C-USA is the worst conference, the only reason to stay is for the exit fees.
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I would love to see both in the MAC.
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RE: WKU and MTSU to the MAC Still Alive?
(05-08-2022 07:38 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:57 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  I think it's dead. Neither of these two ever actually got an invitation from the MAC. MTSU recruits in the south and would not fit culturally in the MAC.

They didn’t get an invitation because that isn’t sent out until it’s a formality. As McMurphy, Thamel, etc reported, the MAC wanted WKU/MTSU but MTSU withdrew interest. The invitation was dependent on both WKU/MTSU joining.

MTSU President did cite southern culture in his public comment as you alluded to. Unless MTSU has a change of heart, this package deal is dead.

This is correct. I will add that the MAC and WKU are still talking and remember, if the MAC were to eliminate divisions like the MWC, the MAC could just add WKU near term and wait to see what the future holds. MTSU, UMass and Missouri State are all possibilities.

UMass will always be available as a football affiliate if there's a desire to maintain divisions for football.

I'm optimistic that WKU will be in the MAC NLT 2025.
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This MTSU fan was disappointed the school failed to make the move to the MAC.

But now that the Raiders are staying in C-USA, I will root for the league to do well.
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RE: WKU and MTSU to the MAC Still Alive?
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MAC seems better, IMO.

Bad take.

CUSA is going to be one of the best mid major conferences in NCAA Basketball. They literally got freed of most of the dead NET weight and added consistent programs like NMSU and Liberty (and a NCAA team in JSU).

As for football, CUSA just welcomed these name coaches:
Jerry Kill
Rich Rodriguez
Sonny Cumbie
Hugh Freeze

CUSA has much better brands than the MAC. UTEP, WKU, MTSU, FIU, and Louisiana Tech were all valued higher than the majority of the Sunbelt which is why they either departed the Sunbelt or poached the Sunbelt in 2013. Teams like ULM, USA, Troy, etc, are like a lot of the MAC teams those CUSA teams have tried to avoid.

Then, SHSU is a recent FCS National Champion and JSU won the upset of the year last year against Florida State.
Liberty is probably the jewel of the new CUSA. They are one of the most well-funded programs in the G5. Their contract with Freeze speaks to their commitment. NMSU just embarrassed UCONN in the NCAA tournament,

All of that doesn't even take into account that the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

All of the MAC schools are so close together in Michigan and Ohio that they cannibalize their fellow conference mates recruiting classes.

CUSA was fortunate to retain a Florida and Texas presence. The MAC just can't offer those recruiting fields. When you add in Louisiana and Alabama, CUSA still has access to the greatest regions for talent acquisition in FBS. (And they aren't suffocating each other trying to land a 2 star)

It can be argued that a 9-team league is preferable to a 14-team league with SBC caliber talent (or even a 12 team league with MAC caliber talent).

If I was CUSA, I might add 1 or 2 more and go into a Double Round Robin Scheduling philosophy. That's literally the optimal league structure for those programs (Southern bent and compact).
Good solid post with some reason not emotion attached.
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RE: WKU and MTSU to the MAC Still Alive?
(05-08-2022 06:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MAC seems better, IMO.

Bad take.

CUSA is going to be one of the best mid major conferences in NCAA Basketball. They literally got freed of most of the dead NET weight and added consistent programs like NMSU and Liberty (and a NCAA team in JSU).

As for football, CUSA just welcomed these name coaches:
Jerry Kill
Rich Rodriguez
Sonny Cumbie
Hugh Freeze

CUSA has much better brands than the MAC. UTEP, WKU, MTSU, FIU, and Louisiana Tech were all valued higher than the majority of the Sunbelt which is why they either departed the Sunbelt or poached the Sunbelt in 2013. Teams like ULM, USA, Troy, etc, are like a lot of the MAC teams those CUSA teams have tried to avoid.

Then, SHSU is a recent FCS National Champion and JSU won the upset of the year last year against Florida State.
Liberty is probably the jewel of the new CUSA. They are one of the most well-funded programs in the G5. Their contract with Freeze speaks to their commitment. NMSU just embarrassed UCONN in the NCAA tournament,

All of that doesn't even take into account that the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

All of the MAC schools are so close together in Michigan and Ohio that they cannibalize their fellow conference mates recruiting classes.

CUSA was fortunate to retain a Florida and Texas presence. The MAC just can't offer those recruiting fields. When you add in Louisiana and Alabama, CUSA still has access to the greatest regions for talent acquisition in FBS. (And they aren't suffocating each other trying to land a 2 star)

It can be argued that a 9-team league is preferable to a 14-team league with SBC caliber talent (or even a 12 team league with MAC caliber talent).

If I was CUSA, I might add 1 or 2 more and go into a Double Round Robin Scheduling philosophy. That's literally the optimal league structure for those programs (Southern bent and compact).

IMO, CUSA is the worst dumpster fire. The MAC at least has a tight-knit culture. CUSA raided the SBC in 2013 and seemed to be gunning for the MW as the second-best G5, everyone was predicting big things.

And what happened over the last 8 years? IMO CUSA went in to the toilet.

And why did that happen? Because CUSA foolishly pursued "markets" instead of programs with actual histories and cultures of successful football. CUSA did the SBC a favor by ridding it of over-bloated, under-performing "market" schools**.

CUSA is like the shadow-AAC, except it has fallen behind the Sun Belt so is now the Shadow-Shadow-AAC.

About the worst thing to be.


** Ironically, the AAC has arguably done CUSA a favor by taking some of those same "market" schools off CUSA hands.

Didnt know Jacksonville Lynchburg, Las Cruces and Huntsville were big markets. So CUSA, IMO, followed your thoughts but became a dumpster fire? CUSA lost market programs and programs not doing much recently, just dont see the down side.
I will gladly take the 8 mates we have and proceed into the future.

If I were the MAC I would not add anyone and the same for CUSA. Give me 9 over 10, 11, 12....
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(05-09-2022 09:30 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MAC seems better, IMO.

Bad take.

CUSA is going to be one of the best mid major conferences in NCAA Basketball. They literally got freed of most of the dead NET weight and added consistent programs like NMSU and Liberty (and a NCAA team in JSU).

As for football, CUSA just welcomed these name coaches:
Jerry Kill
Rich Rodriguez
Sonny Cumbie
Hugh Freeze

CUSA has much better brands than the MAC. UTEP, WKU, MTSU, FIU, and Louisiana Tech were all valued higher than the majority of the Sunbelt which is why they either departed the Sunbelt or poached the Sunbelt in 2013. Teams like ULM, USA, Troy, etc, are like a lot of the MAC teams those CUSA teams have tried to avoid.

Then, SHSU is a recent FCS National Champion and JSU won the upset of the year last year against Florida State.
Liberty is probably the jewel of the new CUSA. They are one of the most well-funded programs in the G5. Their contract with Freeze speaks to their commitment. NMSU just embarrassed UCONN in the NCAA tournament,

All of that doesn't even take into account that the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

All of the MAC schools are so close together in Michigan and Ohio that they cannibalize their fellow conference mates recruiting classes.

CUSA was fortunate to retain a Florida and Texas presence. The MAC just can't offer those recruiting fields. When you add in Louisiana and Alabama, CUSA still has access to the greatest regions for talent acquisition in FBS. (And they aren't suffocating each other trying to land a 2 star)

It can be argued that a 9-team league is preferable to a 14-team league with SBC caliber talent (or even a 12 team league with MAC caliber talent).

If I was CUSA, I might add 1 or 2 more and go into a Double Round Robin Scheduling philosophy. That's literally the optimal league structure for those programs (Southern bent and compact).

IMO, CUSA is the worst dumpster fire. The MAC at least has a tight-knit culture. CUSA raided the SBC in 2013 and seemed to be gunning for the MW as the second-best G5, everyone was predicting big things.

And what happened over the last 8 years? IMO CUSA went in to the toilet.

And why did that happen? Because CUSA foolishly pursued "markets" instead of programs with actual histories and cultures of successful football. CUSA did the SBC a favor by ridding it of over-bloated, under-performing "market" schools**.

CUSA is like the shadow-AAC, except it has fallen behind the Sun Belt so is now the Shadow-Shadow-AAC.

About the worst thing to be.


** Ironically, the AAC has arguably done CUSA a favor by taking some of those same "market" schools off CUSA hands.

Didnt know Jacksonville Lynchburg, Las Cruces and Huntsville were big markets. So CUSA, IMO, followed your thoughts but became a dumpster fire? CUSA lost market programs and programs not doing much recently, just dont see the down side.
I will gladly take the 8 mates we have and proceed into the future.

If I were the MAC I would not add anyone and the same for CUSA. Give me 9 over 10, 11, 12....

About the bolded, when i say CUSA became a dumpster fire, I was talking about what CUSA did in 2012-2013, adding "markets" like Charlotte, Greater Miami, North Texas and San Antonio and ending up being a dumpster fire.

Are you a Jacksonville State fan? If so then I understand why you like the state of CUSA. Backfill callups are always enthusiastic, because for them it is an improvement. Your school is a tiny speck in Alabama and for you it's a big move up. Congratulations. But I think my take about the recent history of CUSA hit the mark.

Bottom line is - in 2013, CUSA was able to bring schools in from SBC. After eight years, the SBC was able to bring schools in from CUSA. The tables were turned. Now That's a dumpster fire collapse, IMO.

About the MAC, I generally agree that expansion should be cautious, especially for a conference whose only strength is its tight-knit culture and geography. But in this case, I think WKU and MTSU would be good adds. They extend the territory, but not too much, and the schools have similar profiles. IMO, the MAC would be better for those schools as well rather than the CUSA third-level hodge-podge that spans from Virginia to Florida and now over to New Mexico. That's a mess, IMO.
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(05-09-2022 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-09-2022 09:30 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MAC seems better, IMO.

Bad take.

CUSA is going to be one of the best mid major conferences in NCAA Basketball. They literally got freed of most of the dead NET weight and added consistent programs like NMSU and Liberty (and a NCAA team in JSU).

As for football, CUSA just welcomed these name coaches:
Jerry Kill
Rich Rodriguez
Sonny Cumbie
Hugh Freeze

CUSA has much better brands than the MAC. UTEP, WKU, MTSU, FIU, and Louisiana Tech were all valued higher than the majority of the Sunbelt which is why they either departed the Sunbelt or poached the Sunbelt in 2013. Teams like ULM, USA, Troy, etc, are like a lot of the MAC teams those CUSA teams have tried to avoid.

Then, SHSU is a recent FCS National Champion and JSU won the upset of the year last year against Florida State.
Liberty is probably the jewel of the new CUSA. They are one of the most well-funded programs in the G5. Their contract with Freeze speaks to their commitment. NMSU just embarrassed UCONN in the NCAA tournament,

All of that doesn't even take into account that the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

All of the MAC schools are so close together in Michigan and Ohio that they cannibalize their fellow conference mates recruiting classes.

CUSA was fortunate to retain a Florida and Texas presence. The MAC just can't offer those recruiting fields. When you add in Louisiana and Alabama, CUSA still has access to the greatest regions for talent acquisition in FBS. (And they aren't suffocating each other trying to land a 2 star)

It can be argued that a 9-team league is preferable to a 14-team league with SBC caliber talent (or even a 12 team league with MAC caliber talent).

If I was CUSA, I might add 1 or 2 more and go into a Double Round Robin Scheduling philosophy. That's literally the optimal league structure for those programs (Southern bent and compact).

IMO, CUSA is the worst dumpster fire. The MAC at least has a tight-knit culture. CUSA raided the SBC in 2013 and seemed to be gunning for the MW as the second-best G5, everyone was predicting big things.

And what happened over the last 8 years? IMO CUSA went in to the toilet.

And why did that happen? Because CUSA foolishly pursued "markets" instead of programs with actual histories and cultures of successful football. CUSA did the SBC a favor by ridding it of over-bloated, under-performing "market" schools**.

CUSA is like the shadow-AAC, except it has fallen behind the Sun Belt so is now the Shadow-Shadow-AAC.

About the worst thing to be.


** Ironically, the AAC has arguably done CUSA a favor by taking some of those same "market" schools off CUSA hands.

Didnt know Jacksonville Lynchburg, Las Cruces and Huntsville were big markets. So CUSA, IMO, followed your thoughts but became a dumpster fire? CUSA lost market programs and programs not doing much recently, just dont see the down side.
I will gladly take the 8 mates we have and proceed into the future.

If I were the MAC I would not add anyone and the same for CUSA. Give me 9 over 10, 11, 12....

About the bolded, when i say CUSA became a dumpster fire, I was talking about what CUSA did in 2012-2013, adding "markets" like Charlotte, Greater Miami, North Texas and San Antonio and ending up being a dumpster fire.

Are you a Jacksonville State fan? If so then I understand why you like the state of CUSA. Backfill callups are always enthusiastic, because for them it is an improvement. Your school is a tiny speck in Alabama and for you it's a big move up. Congratulations. But I think my take about the recent history of CUSA hit the mark.

Bottom line is - in 2013, CUSA was able to bring schools in from SBC. After eight years, the SBC was able to bring schools in from CUSA. The tables were turned. Now That's a dumpster fire collapse, IMO.

About the MAC, I generally agree that expansion should be cautious, especially for a conference whose only strength is its tight-knit culture and geography. But in this case, I think WKU and MTSU would be good adds. They extend the territory, but not too much, and the schools have similar profiles. IMO, the MAC would be better for those schools as well rather than the CUSA third-level hodge-podge that spans from Virginia to Florida and now over to New Mexico. That's a mess, IMO.

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(05-09-2022 09:56 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-09-2022 09:30 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 05:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  The MAC seems better, IMO.

Bad take.

CUSA is going to be one of the best mid major conferences in NCAA Basketball. They literally got freed of most of the dead NET weight and added consistent programs like NMSU and Liberty (and a NCAA team in JSU).

As for football, CUSA just welcomed these name coaches:
Jerry Kill
Rich Rodriguez
Sonny Cumbie
Hugh Freeze

CUSA has much better brands than the MAC. UTEP, WKU, MTSU, FIU, and Louisiana Tech were all valued higher than the majority of the Sunbelt which is why they either departed the Sunbelt or poached the Sunbelt in 2013. Teams like ULM, USA, Troy, etc, are like a lot of the MAC teams those CUSA teams have tried to avoid.

Then, SHSU is a recent FCS National Champion and JSU won the upset of the year last year against Florida State.
Liberty is probably the jewel of the new CUSA. They are one of the most well-funded programs in the G5. Their contract with Freeze speaks to their commitment. NMSU just embarrassed UCONN in the NCAA tournament,

All of that doesn't even take into account that the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

All of the MAC schools are so close together in Michigan and Ohio that they cannibalize their fellow conference mates recruiting classes.

CUSA was fortunate to retain a Florida and Texas presence. The MAC just can't offer those recruiting fields. When you add in Louisiana and Alabama, CUSA still has access to the greatest regions for talent acquisition in FBS. (And they aren't suffocating each other trying to land a 2 star)

It can be argued that a 9-team league is preferable to a 14-team league with SBC caliber talent (or even a 12 team league with MAC caliber talent).

If I was CUSA, I might add 1 or 2 more and go into a Double Round Robin Scheduling philosophy. That's literally the optimal league structure for those programs (Southern bent and compact).

IMO, CUSA is the worst dumpster fire. The MAC at least has a tight-knit culture. CUSA raided the SBC in 2013 and seemed to be gunning for the MW as the second-best G5, everyone was predicting big things.

And what happened over the last 8 years? IMO CUSA went in to the toilet.

And why did that happen? Because CUSA foolishly pursued "markets" instead of programs with actual histories and cultures of successful football. CUSA did the SBC a favor by ridding it of over-bloated, under-performing "market" schools**.

CUSA is like the shadow-AAC, except it has fallen behind the Sun Belt so is now the Shadow-Shadow-AAC.

About the worst thing to be.


** Ironically, the AAC has arguably done CUSA a favor by taking some of those same "market" schools off CUSA hands.

Didnt know Jacksonville Lynchburg, Las Cruces and Huntsville were big markets. So CUSA, IMO, followed your thoughts but became a dumpster fire? CUSA lost market programs and programs not doing much recently, just dont see the down side.
I will gladly take the 8 mates we have and proceed into the future.

If I were the MAC I would not add anyone and the same for CUSA. Give me 9 over 10, 11, 12....

About the bolded, when i say CUSA became a dumpster fire, I was talking about what CUSA did in 2012-2013, adding "markets" like Charlotte, Greater Miami, North Texas and San Antonio and ending up being a dumpster fire.

Are you a Jacksonville State fan? If so then I understand why you like the state of CUSA. Backfill callups are always enthusiastic, because for them it is an improvement. Your school is a tiny speck in Alabama and for you it's a big move up. Congratulations. But I think my take about the recent history of CUSA hit the mark.

Bottom line is - in 2013, CUSA was able to bring schools in from SBC. After eight years, the SBC was able to bring schools in from CUSA. The tables were turned. Now That's a dumpster fire collapse, IMO.

About the MAC, I generally agree that expansion should be cautious, especially for a conference whose only strength is its tight-knit culture and geography. But in this case, I think WKU and MTSU would be good adds. They extend the territory, but not too much, and the schools have similar profiles. IMO, the MAC would be better for those schools as well rather than the CUSA third-level hodge-podge that spans from Virginia to Florida and now over to New Mexico. That's a mess, IMO.

Not a big market fan either and I will take our "hodge podge" of mostly southern college town teams (minus FIU). Most of the schools are in it to win and to me that is the most important item a member can bring to the league.
Distance isnt much different from any other G5 league not named the MAC. As for being happy anywhere, you can go to the JSU forum to see my choice (or hope) has been CUSA for years.
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(05-08-2022 08:53 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

Ohio is a very strong source of football talent, and Pennsylvania is right next door.

The problem is how many MAC teams are fighting for those 3rd tier recruits. That said, if WKU and MTSU really did pass on a MAC invite it was a huge mistake.
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(05-09-2022 11:31 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 08:53 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

Ohio is a very strong source of football talent, and Pennsylvania is right next door.

The problem is how many MAC teams are fighting for those 3rd tier recruits. That said, if WKU and MTSU really did pass on a MAC invite it was a huge mistake.

The Big Ten West is "recruiting tundra"

But the MAC does not overlap with the Big Ten West (except NIU). It overlaps with the Big Ten East.

The Big Ten East is not "recruiting tundra." The states in the Big Ten East produce almost as many total NFL players as the states in the SEC West (277 vs 302). There's also more FBS schools in SEC West states (30) than in Big Ten East states (22).
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(05-09-2022 12:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(05-09-2022 11:31 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 08:53 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

Ohio is a very strong source of football talent, and Pennsylvania is right next door.

The problem is how many MAC teams are fighting for those 3rd tier recruits. That said, if WKU and MTSU really did pass on a MAC invite it was a huge mistake.

The Big Ten West is "recruiting tundra"

But the MAC does not overlap with the Big Ten West (except NIU). It overlaps with the Big Ten East.

The Big Ten East is not "recruiting tundra." The states in the Big Ten East produce almost as many total NFL players as the states in the SEC West (277 vs 302). There's also more FBS schools in SEC West states (30) than in Big Ten East states (22).

Thank you, Captain Bearcat, your post is on target!

Michigan, Ohio and Illinois are all excellent recruiting areas for the Big Ten and MAC. Michigan is annually producing approximately 90 FBS/FCS scholarship players. The Metro Detroit area is among the best recruiting hotbeds anywhere outside the three counties in SOFLA. Two of the top 5 picks in this year's NFL Draft are from the Detroit area (Aidan Hutchinson, Dearborn Divine Child; Ahmad Gardner, Detroit King).
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RE: WKU and MTSU to the MAC Still Alive?
(05-09-2022 11:31 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 08:53 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

Ohio is a very strong source of football talent, and Pennsylvania is right next door.

The problem is how many MAC teams are fighting for those 3rd tier recruits. That said, if WKU and MTSU really did pass on a MAC invite it was a huge mistake.

Plenty of good players for the MAC in their home territory. Plus the academics of several schools will pull some faraway players.
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(05-09-2022 08:35 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 07:38 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:57 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  I think it's dead. Neither of these two ever actually got an invitation from the MAC. MTSU recruits in the south and would not fit culturally in the MAC.

They didn’t get an invitation because that isn’t sent out until it’s a formality. As McMurphy, Thamel, etc reported, the MAC wanted WKU/MTSU but MTSU withdrew interest. The invitation was dependent on both WKU/MTSU joining.

MTSU President did cite southern culture in his public comment as you alluded to. Unless MTSU has a change of heart, this package deal is dead.

This is correct. I will add that the MAC and WKU are still talking and remember, if the MAC were to eliminate divisions like the MWC, the MAC could just add WKU near term and wait to see what the future holds. MTSU, UMass and Missouri State are all possibilities.

UMass will always be available as a football affiliate if there's a desire to maintain divisions for football.

I'm optimistic that WKU will be in the MAC NLT 2025.

Thamel was tweeting about the ACC’s talks on scrapping divisions so I think a 15 team MAC football league could be on the table.
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RE: WKU and MTSU to the MAC Still Alive?
(05-09-2022 08:33 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  
(05-09-2022 08:35 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 07:38 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:57 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  I think it's dead. Neither of these two ever actually got an invitation from the MAC. MTSU recruits in the south and would not fit culturally in the MAC.

They didn’t get an invitation because that isn’t sent out until it’s a formality. As McMurphy, Thamel, etc reported, the MAC wanted WKU/MTSU but MTSU withdrew interest. The invitation was dependent on both WKU/MTSU joining.

MTSU President did cite southern culture in his public comment as you alluded to. Unless MTSU has a change of heart, this package deal is dead.

This is correct. I will add that the MAC and WKU are still talking and remember, if the MAC were to eliminate divisions like the MWC, the MAC could just add WKU near term and wait to see what the future holds. MTSU, UMass and Missouri State are all possibilities.

UMass will always be available as a football affiliate if there's a desire to maintain divisions for football.

I'm optimistic that WKU will be in the MAC NLT 2025.

Thamel was tweeting about the ACC’s talks on scrapping divisions so I think a 15 team MAC football league could be on the table.

Per the MACboard, they really don't want expand. They'll have to drug into it, kicking and screaming.
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(05-09-2022 11:31 AM)b2b Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 08:53 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:14 PM)TroyTBoy Wrote:  the MAC sits on a recruiting tundra.

Ohio is a very strong source of football talent, and Pennsylvania is right next door.

The problem is how many MAC teams are fighting for those 3rd tier recruits. That said, if WKU and MTSU really did pass on a MAC invite it was a huge mistake.

MTSU passed on the MAC invite WKU did not.
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(05-09-2022 08:45 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(05-09-2022 08:33 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  
(05-09-2022 08:35 AM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 07:38 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(05-08-2022 06:57 PM)sstaedtler88 Wrote:  I think it's dead. Neither of these two ever actually got an invitation from the MAC. MTSU recruits in the south and would not fit culturally in the MAC.

They didn’t get an invitation because that isn’t sent out until it’s a formality. As McMurphy, Thamel, etc reported, the MAC wanted WKU/MTSU but MTSU withdrew interest. The invitation was dependent on both WKU/MTSU joining.

MTSU President did cite southern culture in his public comment as you alluded to. Unless MTSU has a change of heart, this package deal is dead.

This is correct. I will add that the MAC and WKU are still talking and remember, if the MAC were to eliminate divisions like the MWC, the MAC could just add WKU near term and wait to see what the future holds. MTSU, UMass and Missouri State are all possibilities.

UMass will always be available as a football affiliate if there's a desire to maintain divisions for football.

I'm optimistic that WKU will be in the MAC NLT 2025.

Thamel was tweeting about the ACC’s talks on scrapping divisions so I think a 15 team MAC football league could be on the table.

Per the MACboard, they really don't want expand. They'll have to drug into it, kicking and screaming.

Those are the thoughts of a message board, they have zero say in this. Apparently the MAC was ready to add MTSU and WKU so expansion is very much on the table.
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According to SI's Ross Dellenger, every conference is considering eliminating divisions.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RossDellenger..._bwqUqAAAA

I believe the NCAA Council plans to meet next week and if this is approved as expected, the MAC could move to eliminate its football divisions and vote to add WKU as its 13th member.
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(05-09-2022 09:03 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  According to SI's Ross Dellenger, every conference is considering eliminating divisions.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RossDellenger..._bwqUqAAAA

I believe the NCAA Council plans to meet next week and if this is approved as expected, the MAC could move to eliminate its football divisions and vote to add WKU as its 13th member.

Why?

That's still a stupid number of teams for a conference. WKU would still be leaving their big rival behind and joining without any other southern schools. They'd still be leaving without getting the buy outs. They'd presumably still be on the hook for a long commitment.

I doubt the only thing preventing the MAC from taking WKU only was the fear of uneven divisions.
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