(05-11-2022 09:20 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:09 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:55 PM)esayem Wrote:  Ragu, you’re warped my friend. Nobody is screwing FSU. What would be the point of that?

To let schools like yours get their way. FSU wants gt and Alford is just making up excuses because he knows it isnt happening. UNC guys are the ones with their heads up their butts acting like the conference doesn't bend over for them at every turn

Can't wait until the super D1 for football happens and all the leachers are pushed down in the pecking order


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I don’t understand why UNC would care about GT-FSU.

Not about just UNC here. I'm saying UNC, Duke and Virginia types will always get their way. It's never a question. You got your divisional pick at 12 and now you'll get your 3 rivals guaranteed

That's why both bc and Syracuse were thrown to FSU and Clemson in what was never a zipper division Everyone knew when Pitt and cuse were added that Pitt would go coastal. Better recruiting area vs a wasteland. It's so predictable

Only so many spots after all these teams get their way. And it would be Fsu getting the short end of the stick again if they are stuck with Syracuse

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I agree the faux zipper is stupid. But to play Devil’s advocate, FSU is located in one of the best — if not the best — recruiting territories in the country. Why does it matter if they smash a northern team at home and away once a year? Theoretically, this enables FSU to schedule tougher competition out of conference, plus they still get Miami, Clemson, and Louisville yearly.

Funny enough, FSU played Syracuse in a home/home in the late 80’s/early 90’s as an Indy.

(05-11-2022 09:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:20 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:11 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 09:09 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:55 PM)esayem Wrote:  Ragu, you’re warped my friend. Nobody is screwing FSU. What would be the point of that?

To let schools like yours get their way. FSU wants gt and Alford is just making up excuses because he knows it isnt happening. UNC guys are the ones with their heads up their butts acting like the conference doesn't bend over for them at every turn

Can't wait until the super D1 for football happens and all the leachers are pushed down in the pecking order


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I don’t understand why UNC would care about GT-FSU.

Not about just UNC here. I'm saying UNC, Duke and Virginia types will always get their way. It's never a question. You got your divisional pick at 12 and now you'll get your 3 rivals guaranteed

That's why both bc and Syracuse were thrown to FSU and Clemson in what was never a zipper division Everyone knew when Pitt and cuse were added that Pitt would go coastal. Better recruiting area vs a wasteland. It's so predictable

Only so many spots after all these teams get their way. And it would be Fsu getting the short end of the stick again if they are stuck with Syracuse

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I agree the faux zipper is stupid. But to play Devil’s advocate, FSU is located in one of the best — if not the best — recruiting territories in the country. Why does it matter if they smash a northern team at home and away once a year? Theoretically, this enables FSU to schedule tougher competition out of conference, plus they still get Miami, Clemson, and Louisville Florida yearly.

Funny enough, FSU played Syracuse in a home/home in the late 80’s/early 90’s as an Indy.

TOO MUCH VITAMIN D

(05-11-2022 08:25 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  ACC Permanent Rival Schedule

The ACC permanent rivals would look like this with composition below:

Team Opponent 1 Opponent 2 Opponent 3
Boston College: Pittsburgh Virginia Syracuse
Clemson: Georgia Tech Florida State NC State
Duke North Carolina Miami Wake Forest
Florida State Miami Georgia Tech Clemson
Georgia Tech Clemson Florida State Virginia Tech
Louisville Wake Forest Pittsburgh Syracuse
Miami Florida State Duke Virginia Tech
North Carolina Duke NC State Virginia
NC State Wake Forest North Carolina Clemson
Pittsburgh Boston College Louisville Syracuse
Syracuse Pittsburgh Louisville Boston College
Virginia North Carolina Boston College Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech Georgia Tech Miami Virginia
Wake Forest Louisville Duke NC State

I like the permanent partners for VT but the 5-5 rotation needs work.
Year1 - Duke Boston College Wake Forest Syracuse Louisville
Year2 - NC State Clemson North Carolina Pittsburgh Florida State

The 2 North Carolina schools in each rotation is ideal if it's one home/one away every year but they put all the toughest games in they year2 rotation. I'm ok with it as it would give VT a chance at the ACCCG every other year but it would be brutal in year2s. You can't have every thing you want, so I'd take it.

Pitt's most played ACC teams of all time are:

Syracuse
Miami
BC

(05-11-2022 08:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:29 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Clemson, Duke, VT (would like FSU instead of DUKE, but FSU doesn't want GT)

From the link below:
ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips spoke with a group of reporters late Wednesday afternoon and confirmed there's a desire by many in the conference to switch to a 3-5-5 scheduling format. That would mean each school would have three permanent opponents, five other schools would be part of the schedule for two years, then the other five would come on for two years after that.

That would guarantee every school in the league would face every other school at least twice every four years. In Florida State's case, Miami and Clemson would definitely be permanent opponents, according to FSU athletics director Michael Alford.

"That's for the betterment of college football," he said.

Alford declined to say who he would push for in the third spot, although he did not sound overly interested in nearby Georgia Tech. While many FSU fans would love having the Yellow Jackets on the yearly schedule -- and Atlanta is home to a huge number of Seminole alumni -- Alford said there are other considerations.



https://floridastate.rivals.com/news/div...scheduling

That isn't true. If GT vs FSU doesn't happen it will be gt not wanting FSU on top of having Georgia and Clemson every year. GT doesn't fit in as a 3rd power type team but are a good geographical rivalry that could brew

Alford here is trying to prepare the fans for not getting gt because he knows FSU fans want them as the third team. So he's making up other factor stuff to keep the anger down

It's also a sign fsu is about to get f'd yet again by the acc who will let other teams get their way always
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GT has beaten FSU more often than not when they've played post-divisions. Also, that assertion doesn't jive with the GT AD standing by very hard scheduling: https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/...VC35GN2DQ/

(05-12-2022 08:09 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 07:29 PM)GTFletch Wrote:  Clemson, Duke, VT (would like FSU instead of DUKE, but FSU doesn't want GT)

From the link below:
ACC Commissioner Jim Phillips spoke with a group of reporters late Wednesday afternoon and confirmed there's a desire by many in the conference to switch to a 3-5-5 scheduling format. That would mean each school would have three permanent opponents, five other schools would be part of the schedule for two years, then the other five would come on for two years after that.

That would guarantee every school in the league would face every other school at least twice every four years. In Florida State's case, Miami and Clemson would definitely be permanent opponents, according to FSU athletics director Michael Alford.

"That's for the betterment of college football," he said.

Alford declined to say who he would push for in the third spot, although he did not sound overly interested in nearby Georgia Tech. While many FSU fans would love having the Yellow Jackets on the yearly schedule -- and Atlanta is home to a huge number of Seminole alumni -- Alford said there are other considerations.



https://floridastate.rivals.com/news/div...scheduling

That isn't true. If GT vs FSU doesn't happen it will be gt not wanting FSU on top of having Georgia and Clemson every year. GT doesn't fit in as a 3rd power type team but are a good geographical rivalry that could brew

Alford here is trying to prepare the fans for not getting gt because he knows FSU fans want them as the third team. So he's making up other factor stuff to keep the anger down

It's also a sign fsu is about to get f'd yet again by the acc who will let other teams get their way always
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GT has beaten FSU more often than not when they've played post-divisions. Also, that assertion doesn't jive with the GT AD standing by very hard scheduling: https://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/...VC35GN2DQ/

That's fine. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen it's because GT wants someone else as their 3rd rival after Clemson and Duke. FSU has long pushed for gt being included with them

Yes I know GT has won 4 of 6 lately. And it is 14-11-1 FSU all time.

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(05-12-2022 08:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  That's fine. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen it's because GT wants someone else as their 3rd rival after Clemson and Duke. FSU has long pushed for gt being included with them

Yes I know GT has won 4 of 6 lately. And it is 14-11-1 FSU all time.

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GT's preference is Clemson, FSU, (gap) VT, (big gap) Duke. I don't see Clemson-FSU-Duke (what I think is most likely) as "overloading one school with too many difficult rivals" as mentioned. One juggernaut, one in the same rebuild quagmire we're in, and a doesn't-care-and-has-never-cared-about-FB cupcake.

(05-12-2022 09:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  That's fine. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen it's because GT wants someone else as their 3rd rival after Clemson and Duke. FSU has long pushed for gt being included with them

Yes I know GT has won 4 of 6 lately. And it is 14-11-1 FSU all time.

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GT's preference is Clemson, FSU, (gap) VT, (big gap) Duke. I don't see Clemson-FSU-Duke (what I think is most likely) as "overloading one school with too many difficult rivals" as mentioned. One juggernaut, one in the same rebuild quagmire we're in, and a doesn't-care-and-has-never-cared-about-FB cupcake.

I didn't say GT has dodged FSU. I said FSU has long campaigned to get GT in their division. GT has liked the coastal.

It's not dodging but the school hasn't campaigned to get FSU as an annual rivalry.

If both wanted it , it would happen now especially with this setup. The Alford stuff quoted is not him saying they don't want gt. . It's him doing admin speak for the acc because I don't think FSU will get their wish

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I realized nobody paid attention during geography class, but if we try to minimize travel distance, we might get something like this:

Syracuse: BC, Pitt, Louisville
BC: Syracuse, Pitt, UVA
Pitt: Syracuse, BC, Louisville
Louisville: Syracuse, Pitt, VT
UVA: BC, VT, UNC
VT: Louisville, UVA, Wake
Wake: VT, Duke, NC State
Duke: Wake, UNC, GT
UNC: UVA, Duke, NC State
NC State: Wake, UNC, Miami
Clemson: GT, FSU, Miami
GT: Duke, Clemson, FSU
FSU: Clemson, GT, Miami
Miami: NC State, Clemson, FSU

Obviously, some of these are not obvious; my reasoning is outlined here:
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2022/...tance.html

(05-12-2022 10:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I realized nobody paid attention during geography class, but if we try to minimize travel distance, we might get something like this:

Syracuse: BC, Pitt, Louisville
BC: Syracuse, Pitt, UVA
Pitt: Syracuse, BC, Louisville
Louisville: Syracuse, Pitt, VT
UVA: BC, VT, UNC
VT: Louisville, UVA, Wake
Wake: VT, Duke, NC State
Duke: Wake, UNC, GT
UNC: UVA, Duke, NC State
NC State: Wake, UNC, Miami
Clemson: GT, FSU, Miami
GT: Duke, Clemson, FSU
FSU: Clemson, GT, Miami
Miami: NC State GT, Clemson, FSU

Obviously, some of these are not obvious; my reasoning is outlined here:
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2022/...tance.html

GPS TRACKING

(05-12-2022 09:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  That's fine. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen it's because GT wants someone else as their 3rd rival after Clemson and Duke. FSU has long pushed for gt being included with them

Yes I know GT has won 4 of 6 lately. And it is 14-11-1 FSU all time.

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GT's preference is Clemson, FSU, (gap) VT, (big gap) Duke. I don't see Clemson-FSU-Duke (what I think is most likely) as "overloading one school with too many difficult rivals" as mentioned. One juggernaut, one in the same rebuild quagmire we're in, and a doesn't-care-and-has-never-cared-about-FB cupcake.

How about Miami? Is there a possibility Miami-Atlantla becoming a real rivalry?

(05-11-2022 09:09 PM)esayem Wrote:  Part of me thinks let’s just go regionally because the schedule is going to be better anyway you slice it.

Yanks: BC, SU, Pitt, Louisville

Tobacco: UVa, VaTech, Wake, UNC, Duke, State

Palmetto: Clemson, GaTech, FSU, Miami


UVa - VT, UNC, Duke
VT - UVa, Wake, State
Wake - State, Duke, VT
UNC - Duke, UVa, State
Duke - UNC, Wake, UVa
State - Wake, UNC, VT

This would really simplify the scheduling process.

The Tobacco schools get BC/Pitt or SU/UofL, rotate one of their non-permanent Tobacco opponents, and Clemson/Miami or GT/FSU

The others get rotate 3/3 from Tobacco and 2/2 from either Yank or Palmetto plus their three regional permanents.


Yanks: feel free to come up with a more suitable name!

A slighted modified version of this would be each Palmetto team has one Tobacco rival. Then it would be like this:

UVa - VT, UNC, FSU
VT - UVa, Wake, Miami
Wake - State, Duke, VT
UNC - Duke, UVa, State
Duke - UNC, Wake, GT
State - Wake, UNC, Clemson

GT - Clemson, Miami, Duke
Clemson - GT, FSU, NCSU
FSU - Miami, Clemson, UVa
Miami- FSU, GT, VT

(05-12-2022 11:15 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 09:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  That's fine. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen it's because GT wants someone else as their 3rd rival after Clemson and Duke. FSU has long pushed for gt being included with them

Yes I know GT has won 4 of 6 lately. And it is 14-11-1 FSU all time.

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GT's preference is Clemson, FSU, (gap) VT, (big gap) Duke. I don't see Clemson-FSU-Duke (what I think is most likely) as "overloading one school with too many difficult rivals" as mentioned. One juggernaut, one in the same rebuild quagmire we're in, and a doesn't-care-and-has-never-cared-about-FB cupcake.

How about Miami? Is there a possibility Miami-Atlantla becoming a real rivalry?

No. Miami's fanbase may be the least liked among GT fans in the conference. They have the same t-shirt fan behavior problem U[sic]GA does. There's little cultural overlap between the two. GT doesn't even recruit much in Miami-Dade.

(05-12-2022 10:41 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 10:21 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I realized nobody paid attention during geography class, but if we try to minimize travel distance, we might get something like this:

Syracuse: BC, Pitt, Louisville
BC: Syracuse, Pitt, UVA
Pitt: Syracuse, BC, Louisville
Louisville: Syracuse, Pitt, VT
UVA: BC, VT, UNC
VT: Louisville, UVA, Wake
Wake: VT, Duke, NC State
Duke: Wake, UNC, GT
UNC: UVA, Duke, NC State
NC State: Wake, UNC, Miami
Clemson: GT, FSU, Miami
GT: Duke, Clemson, FSU
FSU: Clemson, GT, Miami
Miami: NC State GT, Clemson, FSU

Obviously, some of these are not obvious; my reasoning is outlined here:
https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2022/...tance.html

GPS TRACKING

I assumed the feeling wasn't mutual and GT really wants Clemson, FSU, and Duke.
That said, Raleigh (NC State) is just one mile further away from Miami than Clemson.

(05-12-2022 10:05 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 09:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  That's fine. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen it's because GT wants someone else as their 3rd rival after Clemson and Duke. FSU has long pushed for gt being included with them

Yes I know GT has won 4 of 6 lately. And it is 14-11-1 FSU all time.

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GT's preference is Clemson, FSU, (gap) VT, (big gap) Duke. I don't see Clemson-FSU-Duke (what I think is most likely) as "overloading one school with too many difficult rivals" as mentioned. One juggernaut, one in the same rebuild quagmire we're in, and a doesn't-care-and-has-never-cared-about-FB cupcake.

I didn't say GT has dodged FSU. I said FSU has long campaigned to get GT in their division. GT has liked the coastal.

It's not dodging but the school hasn't campaigned to get FSU as an annual rivalry.

If both wanted it , it would happen now especially with this setup. The Alford stuff quoted is not him saying they don't want gt. . It's him doing admin speak for the acc because I don't think FSU will get their wish

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I think GT would be peachy would swapping Miami for FSU. I don't think FSU would like what it lost in the Atlantic though (Clemson). Other than FSU missing the Coastal is almost ideal. The problem is moving FSU over breaks too many other things.

(05-11-2022 10:54 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(05-11-2022 08:25 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  ACC Permanent Rival Schedule

The ACC permanent rivals would look like this with composition below:

Team Opponent 1 Opponent 2 Opponent 3
Boston College: Pittsburgh Virginia Syracuse
Clemson: Georgia Tech Florida State NC State
Duke North Carolina Miami Wake Forest
Florida State Miami Georgia Tech Clemson
Georgia Tech Clemson Florida State Virginia Tech
Louisville Wake Forest Pittsburgh Syracuse
Miami Florida State Duke Virginia Tech
North Carolina Duke NC State Virginia
NC State Wake Forest North Carolina Clemson
Pittsburgh Boston College Louisville Syracuse
Syracuse Pittsburgh Louisville Boston College
Virginia North Carolina Boston College Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech Georgia Tech Miami Virginia
Wake Forest Louisville Duke NC State

I like the permanent partners for VT but the 5-5 rotation needs work.
Year1 - Duke Boston College Wake Forest Syracuse Louisville
Year2 - NC State Clemson North Carolina Pittsburgh Florida State

The 2 North Carolina schools in each rotation is ideal if it's one home/one away every year but they put all the toughest games in they year2 rotation. I'm ok with it as it would give VT a chance at the ACCCG every other year but it would be brutal in year2s. You can't have every thing you want, so I'd take it.

I wasn't aware the league has published who the 3 permanent partners would be for each school, much less what the 5-5 rotation would be. Does he know more than we do?

(05-12-2022 10:05 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 09:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  That's fine. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen it's because GT wants someone else as their 3rd rival after Clemson and Duke. FSU has long pushed for gt being included with them

Yes I know GT has won 4 of 6 lately. And it is 14-11-1 FSU all time.

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GT's preference is Clemson, FSU, (gap) VT, (big gap) Duke. I don't see Clemson-FSU-Duke (what I think is most likely) as "overloading one school with too many difficult rivals" as mentioned. One juggernaut, one in the same rebuild quagmire we're in, and a doesn't-care-and-has-never-cared-about-FB cupcake.

I didn't say GT has dodged FSU. I said FSU has long campaigned to get GT in their division. GT has liked the coastal.

It's not dodging but the school hasn't campaigned to get FSU as an annual rivalry.

If both wanted it , it would happen now especially with this setup. The Alford stuff quoted is not him saying they don't want gt. . It's him doing admin speak for the acc because I don't think FSU will get their wish

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How often does FSU play GT now? If they'd like to play them more often, how many times have they scheduled them OOC? In this model they play them every other year, and if they mutually want it, they could be every year just by playing OOC in the out years.

Picking the teams that each school plays every year is complex enough but I don't think we've discussed the complexity of deciding on a school's rotation with the other 10 teams. There won't be divisions so each school will have its own rotation and each school will have its own preferences. For instance, Duke would prefer to have things arranged so that we have a home game three years out of four with either Clemson, NCSU or Va. Tech since they can fill up Wallace Wade Stadium, which is an issue for Duke. We'd prefer to not play Clemson the same year as we play Notre Dame. That will probably be a common request but not easy to accommodate for everyone. Each school will have its own preferences. It's going to be three dimensional chess to work this out for each school.

(05-12-2022 01:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 10:05 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 09:22 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(05-12-2022 08:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  That's fine. I'm just saying if it doesn't happen it's because GT wants someone else as their 3rd rival after Clemson and Duke. FSU has long pushed for gt being included with them

Yes I know GT has won 4 of 6 lately. And it is 14-11-1 FSU all time.

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GT's preference is Clemson, FSU, (gap) VT, (big gap) Duke. I don't see Clemson-FSU-Duke (what I think is most likely) as "overloading one school with too many difficult rivals" as mentioned. One juggernaut, one in the same rebuild quagmire we're in, and a doesn't-care-and-has-never-cared-about-FB cupcake.

I didn't say GT has dodged FSU. I said FSU has long campaigned to get GT in their division. GT has liked the coastal.

It's not dodging but the school hasn't campaigned to get FSU as an annual rivalry.

If both wanted it , it would happen now especially with this setup. The Alford stuff quoted is not him saying they don't want gt. . It's him doing admin speak for the acc because I don't think FSU will get their wish

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How often does FSU play GT now? If they'd like to play them more often, how many times have they scheduled them OOC? In this model they play them every other year, and if they mutually want it, they could be every year just by playing OOC in the out years.

Ok? Not sure what the point of your post is. We all know all of that ...

But cool story

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(05-12-2022 01:12 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Picking the teams that each school plays every year is complex enough but I don't think we've discussed the complexity of deciding on a school's rotation with the other 10 teams. There won't be divisions so each school will have its own rotation and each school will have its own preferences. For instance, Duke would prefer to have things arranged so that we have a home game three years out of four with either Clemson, NCSU or Va. Tech since they can fill up Wallace Wade Stadium, which is an issue for Duke. We'd prefer to not play Clemson the same year as we play Notre Dame. That will probably be a common request but not easy to accommodate for everyone. Each school will have its own preferences. It's going to be three dimensional chess to work this out for each school.

As a Clemson fan, I would prefer to not have Miami and VT in the same year, assuming neither of them are one of our three primary rivals. It would be nice to have one or the other on the schedule every year as a primetime TV matchup. I guess it would also be nice to avoid having away games at BC and at Syracuse in the same year. Similarly, maybe avoid away games at VT and at UVA in the same year, and maybe avoid away games at FSU and at Miami in the same year. Those are all just minor wish list things though that are primarily for the benefit of fans that travel to away games.