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The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
(05-02-2022 04:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  None of them will wind up in the Big 12...

You may not think so, but a lot of Big 12 seem to think they will, according to a poll on their CSN message board.

Here's the link:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-944465.html
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
(05-02-2022 04:49 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 04:03 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  None of them will wind up in the Big 12...

You may not think so, but a lot of Big 12 seem to think they will, according to a poll on their CSN message board.

Here's the link:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-944465.html
That's not an overwhelming vote for expansion.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
(05-02-2022 04:46 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 12:56 PM)e-parade Wrote:  All 3 of them? I'm not sure why the B12 would want to go to 15 (unless you're predicting someone else leaves in this as well).

The idea was based on the statement last September by one of the Big 12 search committee members who said he thought the Big 12 would be likely to add Memphis, SMU, USF, and Boise State.

Ah okay. That makes more sense then.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
I really don’t understand Army’s not wanting to be football only in the AAC. Look at their schedule! (If Army had football in AAC this year) They’d just have to drop like 4 games with SBC and just 1 of the following 5: Wake, UMASS, UCONN, Colgate and Nova.

Army can’t live without the 4 SBC games and Nova (or Colgate) on a given year???
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
(05-02-2022 04:46 PM)Milwaukee Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 12:56 PM)e-parade Wrote:  All 3 of them? I'm not sure why the B12 would want to go to 15 (unless you're predicting someone else leaves in this as well).

The idea was based on the statement last September by one of the Big 12 search committee members who said he thought the Big 12 would be likely to add Memphis, SMU, USF, and Boise State.

And those 4 make the most sense to me if B12 decided to go to 16 teams.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
If they took all 3, the AAC would be in real trouble. I’d assume the B12 in that scenario took 1 from the MWC as well and the might have the upper hand in poaching the AAC of western teams. FIU simply isn’t investing in athletics to a point where I can see them as desirable. I’d say 1 or all 3 of WKU, MT & LT.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
Georgia State and Old Dominion or James Madison--- two of three are in metro MARKETS.

WKU would be nice-- but VERY unlikely (no MARKET).
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The more UPHEAVAL--- the BETTER for WKU to have a chance at the SBC or less likely the AAC.

And before you ask-- NO-- a lot of WKU fans are NOT thrilled with the MAC possibility.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
(05-02-2022 06:10 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Georgia State and Old Dominion or James Madison--- all three are in metro MARKETS.

WKU would be nice-- but VERY unlikely (no MARKET).

Not familiar with Harrisonburg, VA?

I doubt we’re interested in that conference, we’ve been down that road before.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
(05-02-2022 06:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 06:10 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Georgia State and Old Dominion or James Madison--- two of three are in metro MARKETS.

WKU would be nice-- but VERY unlikely (no MARKET).

Not familiar with Harrisonburg, VA?

I doubt we’re interested in that conference, we’ve been down that road before.

Corrected.

If the media deal is high enough ODU would be gone to join NAVY, Charlotte and ECU before hanging up the phone. REALITY.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
I voted MAC or Sun Belt but honestly I'm not sure if anyone would have a reason to move at that point. The luster from the AAC is gone as it is. If you get rid of those 3 they'll probably just need to stay at 11.
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(05-02-2022 06:54 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  I voted MAC or Sun Belt but honestly I'm not sure if anyone would have a reason to move at that point. The luster from the AAC is gone as it is. If you get rid of those 3 they'll probably just need to stay at 11.

Depends on how much media money ESPN will toss at all those metro markets.
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(05-02-2022 02:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  A few thoughts:

* If Memphis, SMU and USF moved to the Big 12 with, say, Boise, I seriously doubt the AAC would be able to "poach" the Mountain West (so forget Colorado State and Air Force).

* UConn and Army would not want to be associated with any part of this hypothetical AAC. Furthermore, either Dakota school paired with a school that does not offer football (say NDSU and Dayton, for example) ... not going to happen. Dayton, Saint Louis, VCU, etc. will never be joining any future AAC. Too much instability.

* Given the AAC has made clear it wants high-enrollment universities located within large and growing cities, I could see Georgia State and Old Dominion. Then as a wildcard: UMass. With these three universities, the American would be back up to 14 schools (after the losses of SMU, USF and UM), Temple would have a geographic rival in UMass, and the overall "theme" of the AAC would remain intact. That AAC would actually be rather solid with that group of schools, just was it will be with the incoming six.

I think ODU burned some western bridges while in C-USA, and Rice, North Texas and UTSA would all vote “No” on adding the Monarchs. UAB might also be a “No”.

I say make a run at Georgia State first.
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(05-02-2022 02:05 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the 3 biggest markets. Buffalo, Conn, UMass

Hampton Roads is bigger than all of them.
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(05-02-2022 06:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 06:10 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Georgia State and Old Dominion or James Madison--- all three are in metro MARKETS.

WKU would be nice-- but VERY unlikely (no MARKET).

Not familiar with Harrisonburg, VA?

I doubt we’re interested in that conference, we’ve been down that road before.

He said all caps MARKETS. Bowling Green is about the same as East Quiet Zone.
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(05-02-2022 06:52 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 06:34 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-02-2022 06:10 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Georgia State and Old Dominion or James Madison--- two of three are in metro MARKETS.

WKU would be nice-- but VERY unlikely (no MARKET).

Not familiar with Harrisonburg, VA?

I doubt we’re interested in that conference, we’ve been down that road before.

Corrected.

If the media deal is high enough ODU would be gone to join NAVY, Charlotte and ECU before hanging up the phone. REALITY.

If, in this scenario, USF, SMU and Memphis depart, the AAC would still have from its "old core" Tulsa, Wichita, Tulane, Navy, East Carolina and Temple. That's a very solid group, with a respectable combo of football, basketball, baseball and academics. At the minimum, Old Dominion would have to consider an AAC invite.
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Texas State.

Cuts down travel to places like Boone, Conway, Harrisonburg, Jonesboro

Baseball you'd have two eastern trips from among: Greenville, Charlotte, Birmingham, and Fort Lauderdale. A shorter league schedule opens up more OOC games. Maybe a series against UT or A&M or Houston.

Remember that the Sun Belt just kicked UT Arlington out.
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RE: The most likely replacement members if Memphis, USF, & SMU end up in the Big 12.
What people here constantly forget:

1. Georgia State isn't interested in the AAC, per Matt Brown's tweet in 2021.

2. ODU was working closely with other G5 schools (including Marshall) for years to be in a regional conference. AAC is not regional. The SBC East was their solution.

3. ESPN is not going to approve transitions from one ESPN-owned conference (SBC, MAC) to another ESPN-owned conference (AAC). They want new properties.


If new members go to the AAC, they'll have to come from the Mountain West or C-USA. I highly doubt the Mountain West teams will want to join after Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and some combo of Memphis/USF/SMU leave the AAC. They didn't join the AAC when those teams were in it, and it's extremely doubtful that they see UAB/FAU/UTSA/Rice/Charlotte/North Texas as an upgrade.

The obvious candidates here are FIU and MTSU. Both belong to a non-ESPN conference, and both are in large markets. FIU has the 5th largest enrollment in the United States (as of Fall 2021 semester). MTSU claims the Nashville market, the 35th largest U.S. metropolitan area (as of July 2021).

It's also possible that the AAC stays at 12 if they lose 2, but from ESPN's standpoint: if the properties are available, why not grab them?
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It looks like it may depend on whether FOX wants to expand...


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(05-02-2022 09:38 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  What people here constantly forget:

1. Georgia State isn't interested in the AAC, per Matt Brown's tweet in 2021.

2. ODU was working closely with other G5 schools (including Marshall) for years to be in a regional conference. AAC is not regional. The SBC East was their solution.

3. ESPN is not going to approve transitions from one ESPN-owned conference (SBC, MAC) to another ESPN-owned conference (AAC). They want new properties.


If new members go to the AAC, they'll have to come from the Mountain West or C-USA. I highly doubt the Mountain West teams will want to join after Cincinnati, Houston, UCF, and some combo of Memphis/USF/SMU leave the AAC. They didn't join the AAC when those teams were in it, and it's extremely doubtful that they see UAB/FAU/UTSA/Rice/Charlotte/North Texas as an upgrade.

The obvious candidates here are FIU and MTSU. Both belong to a non-ESPN conference, and both are in large markets. FIU has the 5th largest enrollment in the United States (as of Fall 2021 semester). MTSU claims the Nashville market, the 35th largest U.S. metropolitan area (as of July 2021).

It's also possible that the AAC stays at 12 if they lose 2, but from ESPN's standpoint: if the properties are available, why not grab them?

What some SBC people constantly forget:

ANY SBC school (example-- ODU, Ga. St.) would jump to the AAC with regional rivals NAVY, UAB, Charlotte, ECU, Temple etc. along with tripling their media deal. And again-- sounds pretty regional to me.
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