(04-23-2022 10:41 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The weird thing is that USF didn't need to "block" UCF to stop them from getting into the Big East. The Big East after 2004 was a precarious balancing act of eight "all-sport" (i.e. "Schools that offered football") schools--Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF--and eight "Basketball" schools that didn't--Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, Saint John's, Villanova, Notre Dame, Marquette, and DePaul. Each of the two factions were terrified that the other would gain more power by adding a similar school to their block. So, there was NO way UCF...an "All Sports" school was ever going to be added without a corresponding "Basketball" member, which would have pushed the total conference to an unwieldy 18.

Add into that the simple fact that the Big East prioritized Basketball History in all of it's additions (including the adds from the original CUSA in 2004...with the glaring omission of South Florida, who was added because they were in Florida) and UCF never had a real shot at joining the BE. Sorry, it is what it is. I guess you can go on hating Judy Genshaft, but UCF wasn't EVER going to be added to the BE...until things started to come apart...and then they were brought in.

As for "saving" the Big East? Only Notre Dame could have done that by bringing their football on board. And Notre Dame was never going to do that for a variety of reasons. And, if Notre Dame had switched from a "Basketball" to an "All Sports" member of the conference, then I suspect either one of the other FB members would have not been added (coming down to between UL and UC and that means probably UC would have been left out). Notre Dame would have had to do that in 2004 to "Save" the Conference...and, of course, they didn't.

Bingo, but doesn’t fit what they want to see. Notre Dame joining was the only way Big East would have survived

(04-24-2022 10:11 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(04-23-2022 10:41 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The weird thing is that USF didn't need to "block" UCF to stop them from getting into the Big East. The Big East after 2004 was a precarious balancing act of eight "all-sport" (i.e. "Schools that offered football") schools--Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF--and eight "Basketball" schools that didn't--Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, Saint John's, Villanova, Notre Dame, Marquette, and DePaul. Each of the two factions were terrified that the other would gain more power by adding a similar school to their block. So, there was NO way UCF...an "All Sports" school was ever going to be added without a corresponding "Basketball" member, which would have pushed the total conference to an unwieldy 18.

Add into that the simple fact that the Big East prioritized Basketball History in all of it's additions (including the adds from the original CUSA in 2004...with the glaring omission of South Florida, who was added because they were in Florida) and UCF never had a real shot at joining the BE. Sorry, it is what it is. I guess you can go on hating Judy Genshaft, but UCF wasn't EVER going to be added to the BE...until things started to come apart...and then they were brought in.

As for "saving" the Big East? Only Notre Dame could have done that by bringing their football on board. And Notre Dame was never going to do that for a variety of reasons. And, if Notre Dame had switched from a "Basketball" to an "All Sports" member of the conference, then I suspect either one of the other FB members would have not been added (coming down to between UL and UC and that means probably UC would have been left out). Notre Dame would have had to do that in 2004 to "Save" the Conference...and, of course, they didn't.

Bingo, but doesn’t fit what they want to see. Notre Dame joining was the only way Big East would have survived

It is all a matter of degrees. Judy blocked UCF as a football only addition. Getting football stabilized and getting a new TV deal was the only way the BE was going to survive. Would the addition of UCF save the Big East? Nobody knows, but we get to speculate because that is what message boards are for. But from what I recall she (or her along with another pres or 2) was suggesting JMU and/or UMass instead. That was extremely short sighted and did not sit well with some of the other football schools.

Is some of this a UCF fantasy? Maybe. But it happened and it makes for a really good karma is a ***** story. But then there was so much back then that still sits in craw of UCF fans. It is why you will continue to see the comments from UCF fans no matter how much "obsession chatter" you post.

(04-25-2022 07:30 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 10:11 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(04-23-2022 10:41 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The weird thing is that USF didn't need to "block" UCF to stop them from getting into the Big East. The Big East after 2004 was a precarious balancing act of eight "all-sport" (i.e. "Schools that offered football") schools--Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF--and eight "Basketball" schools that didn't--Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, Saint John's, Villanova, Notre Dame, Marquette, and DePaul. Each of the two factions were terrified that the other would gain more power by adding a similar school to their block. So, there was NO way UCF...an "All Sports" school was ever going to be added without a corresponding "Basketball" member, which would have pushed the total conference to an unwieldy 18.

Add into that the simple fact that the Big East prioritized Basketball History in all of it's additions (including the adds from the original CUSA in 2004...with the glaring omission of South Florida, who was added because they were in Florida) and UCF never had a real shot at joining the BE. Sorry, it is what it is. I guess you can go on hating Judy Genshaft, but UCF wasn't EVER going to be added to the BE...until things started to come apart...and then they were brought in.

As for "saving" the Big East? Only Notre Dame could have done that by bringing their football on board. And Notre Dame was never going to do that for a variety of reasons. And, if Notre Dame had switched from a "Basketball" to an "All Sports" member of the conference, then I suspect either one of the other FB members would have not been added (coming down to between UL and UC and that means probably UC would have been left out). Notre Dame would have had to do that in 2004 to "Save" the Conference...and, of course, they didn't.

Bingo, but doesn’t fit what they want to see. Notre Dame joining was the only way Big East would have survived

It is all a matter of degrees. Judy blocked UCF as a football only addition. Getting football stabilized and getting a new TV deal was the only way the BE was going to survive. Would the addition of UCF save the Big East? Nobody knows, but we get to speculate because that is what message boards are for. But from what I recall she (or her along with another pres or 2) was suggesting JMU and/or UMass instead. That was extremely short sighted and did not sit well with some of the other football schools.

Is some of this a UCF fantasy? Maybe. But it happened and it makes for a really good karma is a ***** story. But then there was so much back then that still sits in craw of UCF fans. It is why you will continue to see the comments from UCF fans no matter how much "obsession chatter" you post.

And you guys on here repeating the same line won’t change the outcome. The facts are that if the other football schools felt adding ucf would save the Big East p, they would had overrule Genshaft. They didn’t. We also know that the main schools that blocked the ESPN deal were the ones talking to ACC. After Miami, VTech and BC all left for ACC, it was only a matter of time because Pitt and Cuse would rather follow them that stay with what remained of the BE and the only addition that would change that was ND. And if ND didn’t come in when UM, VTech and BC were there, they weren’t coming after they left.

But as I have said, we can argue on the past, won’t change anything. Funny that you guys keep harping on so many USF followers living in the 2007 years and Leavitt, but many of your own fan base keep living on the Genshaft blocking ucf from the Big East.

Time for everyone to move on and focus on present and future.

(04-25-2022 08:30 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(04-25-2022 07:30 AM)Noise Penalty Wrote:  

(04-24-2022 10:11 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(04-23-2022 10:41 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The weird thing is that USF didn't need to "block" UCF to stop them from getting into the Big East. The Big East after 2004 was a precarious balancing act of eight "all-sport" (i.e. "Schools that offered football") schools--Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, UConn, Rutgers, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF--and eight "Basketball" schools that didn't--Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, Saint John's, Villanova, Notre Dame, Marquette, and DePaul. Each of the two factions were terrified that the other would gain more power by adding a similar school to their block. So, there was NO way UCF...an "All Sports" school was ever going to be added without a corresponding "Basketball" member, which would have pushed the total conference to an unwieldy 18.

Add into that the simple fact that the Big East prioritized Basketball History in all of it's additions (including the adds from the original CUSA in 2004...with the glaring omission of South Florida, who was added because they were in Florida) and UCF never had a real shot at joining the BE. Sorry, it is what it is. I guess you can go on hating Judy Genshaft, but UCF wasn't EVER going to be added to the BE...until things started to come apart...and then they were brought in.

As for "saving" the Big East? Only Notre Dame could have done that by bringing their football on board. And Notre Dame was never going to do that for a variety of reasons. And, if Notre Dame had switched from a "Basketball" to an "All Sports" member of the conference, then I suspect either one of the other FB members would have not been added (coming down to between UL and UC and that means probably UC would have been left out). Notre Dame would have had to do that in 2004 to "Save" the Conference...and, of course, they didn't.

Bingo, but doesn’t fit what they want to see. Notre Dame joining was the only way Big East would have survived

It is all a matter of degrees. Judy blocked UCF as a football only addition. Getting football stabilized and getting a new TV deal was the only way the BE was going to survive. Would the addition of UCF save the Big East? Nobody knows, but we get to speculate because that is what message boards are for. But from what I recall she (or her along with another pres or 2) was suggesting JMU and/or UMass instead. That was extremely short sighted and did not sit well with some of the other football schools.

Is some of this a UCF fantasy? Maybe. But it happened and it makes for a really good karma is a ***** story. But then there was so much back then that still sits in craw of UCF fans. It is why you will continue to see the comments from UCF fans no matter how much "obsession chatter" you post.

And you guys on here repeating the same line won’t change the outcome. The facts are that if the other football schools felt adding ucf would save the Big East p, they would had overrule Genshaft. They didn’t. We also know that the main schools that blocked the ESPN deal were the ones talking to ACC. After Miami, VTech and BC all left for ACC, it was only a matter of time because Pitt and Cuse would rather follow them that stay with what remained of the BE and the only addition that would change that was ND. And if ND didn’t come in when UM, VTech and BC were there, they weren’t coming after they left.

But as I have said, we can argue on the past, won’t change anything. Funny that you guys keep harping on so many USF followers living in the 2007 years and Leavitt, but many of your own fan base keep living on the Genshaft blocking ucf from the Big East.

Time for everyone to move on and focus on present and future.

Now where is the fun in that? If you can't gloat over your rival when they hit bottom then when can you gloat? Eventually things generally come around and we will have to take lumps again. When that happens You have to roll with the punches in bad times. If you show weakness it just gets worse.

Besides, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I for one would not support any UCF administrator from blocking usf to the B12 in the same way. There is room enough for everyone

2007 was a fun season. UC on the verge of a great run. Mauk battling through injuries to have an incredibly QB season. BK getting the machine ready to run through the Big East the next two season.

Good times had by all!

Damn.....look at that crowd......like a legit packed house

If there are two schools that should be next on the P5 beat from the East it's ECU and USF. Perhaps Boise State and SDSU from the West. UNLV could possibly also build up well enough to make it.