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I’m just saying, if the PAC want to increase market share, they need 6-8 Midwest schools to capture that time zone and recruiting base. Adding a few outliers like TCU is another BC/ACC or RU/B1G situation. It’s not going to move the needle much. I’m not saying the per school payout would increase immediately, but over time, they may be able to secure a premium from a streaming provider for having a solid foothold in that region. Ideally, they would have landed the schools that ended up in the SEC, but that’s over and done with. If the goal is to expand the time zone, I’d go for at least 6 schools out there, but probably 8 to preserve the rivalries.
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(04-19-2022 06:21 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 09:25 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 09:32 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 06:25 PM)Crayton Wrote:  A note to Muskie and Stugray, this would be a ‘drop’ to 8 conference games and transforming the 9th game into a Pac-12/Big 12 tilt. This is exactly what Kliavkoff wanted from the Big Ten this year, Notre Dame games would not be affected. Yes, a decade ago the Pac-12 wanted a TENTH game to be against the Big Ten.

The Big Ten is (currently, in their TV negotiations) declining the option of dropping to 8 conference games to join THE Alliance in scheduling. But the Pac-12 still has incentive to follow through. The ACC has no opportunity until 2036. The Big 12 may be their next best hope.

Would a Conference challenge game be more attractive to fans and television than a conference game?

Is someone like Oregon St going to be ok with less visits from USC in exchange for hosting Houston?

Barring a challenge series with the Big 10 (which I think would pull in some dollars), I think the PAC 12 should stick with 9 conference games while the Big 12 should drop down to 8 because where they are going to pull in respect and money is with playing 2 games a year against other P5s.

The more eye rating $$$ popping question here should be; Which of the two matchups between Houston vs USC or USC vs Oregon St. will bring the most interest $$$.

If a USC vs Houston matchup was to be held here in Houston Texas the eyeball interest would be pretty freaking good. The interest wouldn’t be just good here in Houston but the whole state of Texas.

The PAC would benefit more from dropping Oregon State than gaining Houston.

Oregon State just crushed USC at the LA Coliseum in football this year. Oregon State made the Elite 8 in the NCAA basketball tournament in 2021. Oregon State is currently the No. 2 ranked team in the nation in baseball. They won the baseball national championship in 2006, 2007, and 2018. They are doing a $153 million dollar renovation on their football stadium starting this year. An anonymous donor gave Oregon State $50 million to transform the west side of their football stadium. They have had some competitive football teams in the past. The 2000 team that ended up 4th in the nation after beating Notre Dame 41-9 in the Fiesta Bowl and the 2006 team ended USC's 38 game regular season winning streak. They need to be more consistent, but they deserve to be in the Pac-12.
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Seems that the hope is that a west coast team playing a central-time zone team at noon EST will get a bunch of east coast eyeballs to tune in.
Color me skeptical.
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(04-19-2022 01:35 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Seems that the hope is that a west coast team playing a central-time zone team at noon EST will get a bunch of east coast eyeballs to tune in.
Color me skeptical.

Games involving Oregon and USC at noon will pull in a number if we are talking top 10 matchups. No reason why Oregon/OK St or USC/Baylor can’t pull in huge numbers for a Big 12 home team. Then of course 10:15 ET window for traveling Big 12 teams. There is a void to fill, and I think it’s an upgrade vs PAC games against middling B1G schools with a few notable exceptions.
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(04-19-2022 01:35 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Seems that the hope is that a west coast team playing a central-time zone team at noon EST will get a bunch of east coast eyeballs to tune in.
Color me skeptical.
Exactly. This is a marginal improvement but would be a little more sensible if the game for the east coast actually had an east coast school.
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(04-19-2022 01:45 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 01:35 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Seems that the hope is that a west coast team playing a central-time zone team at noon EST will get a bunch of east coast eyeballs to tune in.
Color me skeptical.

Games involving Oregon and USC at noon will pull in a number if we are talking top 10 matchups. No reason why Oregon/OK St or USC/Baylor can’t pull in huge numbers for a Big 12 home team. Then of course 10:15 ET window for traveling Big 12 teams. There is a void to fill, and I think it’s an upgrade vs PAC games against middling B1G schools with a few notable exceptions.

So USC or Oregon gonna play in that time slot every week. They know about that?
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(04-19-2022 01:24 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  Oregon State just crushed USC at the LA Coliseum in football this year. Oregon State made the Elite 8 in the NCAA basketball tournament in 2021. Oregon State is currently the No. 2 ranked team in the nation in baseball. They won the baseball national championship in 2006, 2007, and 2018. They are doing a $153 million dollar renovation on their football stadium starting this year. An anonymous donor gave Oregon State $50 million to transform the west side of their football stadium. They have had some competitive football teams in the past. The 2000 team that ended up 4th in the nation after beating Notre Dame 41-9 in the Fiesta Bowl and the 2006 team ended USC's 38 game regular season winning streak. They need to be more consistent, but they deserve to be in the Pac-12.
The football stadium capacity will be reduced to 39k or less as a result of this renovation. And beating USC isn’t such an impressive feat these days.

Those 4 baseball titles bring OSU’s total NCAA rchampionships to …..4. Better than WSU’s 2 I guess. UW at 9 (over 50 with rowing), Arizona at 19 and ASU/Utah at 24 bring up the rear. Marginally P5/PAC adequate Utah has 4 national titles since joining the PAC (and was a floor routine meltdown away from a 5th this weekend). And I recognize that skiing has no revenue component but our gym team draws 14k+ in attendance/meet so has total season attendance (with higher ticket revenue) to OSU baseball. And Utah is a G5 school trying to fake it until they make it. Having spent a long time as a midmajor, I know one when I see one.
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(04-19-2022 01:07 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 12:49 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I’d like to see a merger with both conferences (sans BYU and East coast Big 12 schools).

1. AU/ASU and CU/Utah rotate between the PAC 8 division and current Big 8/former SWC schools biannually.
2. 9 division games, one cross division game.

I think a PAC 20 would rival every other conference in football and BBall. BYU would be out due to religious affiliations. The PAC should just expand to 20 because adding just a TCU and Houston won’t cut it.
That wouldn’t get votes from Cal, Stanford, or any of the SW schools.

PAC schools care about institutional profile. From an institutional profile standpoint the PAC sans WSU/OSU is AAU (with ASU very near-AAU).

Similar institutions at lesser or equal revenue (possible acquisitions) would be:
AAU: KU, ISU, Rice, Pitt, GT, UNC, Duke, UVA (Pitt, Duke, and UNC being top tier AAU and KU ISU being in the group with tenuous membership)
Near-AAU: NCState, Miami, USF, Cincinnati, VT

That’s heavily weighted toward the East Coast and includes 8 ACC members. So what is the magic number for ACC dissolution? If it’s >2/3 (10) then FSU and Clemson are schools that the PAC presidents would accept in order to associate with UNC, Duke, and Pitt.

From an institution-fit perspective the only skinny merge the presidents would be OK with would be a PAC/ACC merger.

JRJ,

Looking at it from the ACC side of things you would have to shed oregon state and Washington state to make it work with 10 ACC schools. Maybe they could be "encouraged" to take a ND deal. 5 games in football a year, and all the other sports can stay. Maybe guarantee the instate rivals in perpetuity.

With 9 game division schedule, and a cross over game, you would be able to command both coasts. Maybe the champ game alternates between LA and Atl. The winner of champ game likely is a defacto playoff team. Change the bowl selection to stipulate winner of west goes to the rose bowl. Winner of the east goes to the orange

Thoughts?
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(04-19-2022 10:52 AM)Crayton Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 10:15 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Good conversation, love the topic. Whatever is driving this “need for CTZ” games with the PAC, seemed like a disconnect between the schools and its broadcast partners, and maybe through its former commissioner. We seem to know, as fans, that CTZ content will get the conference more desirable slots to the east and more revenue, but the conference/schools aren’t opening their doors for just anyone in the CTZ to join.

If you’re a PAC school, why would you just want to expand just for that dollar? You’re telling your alumni and fans to suck it up and either travel to places with no prior history/connection so you can be seen by non-fans in the east, or you’re telling fans to come out to early morning games.

I'll agree with this. Pac-12 presidents may prefer playing each other at kickoff times suitable for their student body. But they've hired a commissioner to make fiscally prudent decisions.

Even without a challenge series with the Big 12, I think the Pac-12 will be suiting up for 6 pre-Noon PTZ kickoffs every year. Might as well make more money doing it.

I agree regarding the commissioner’s role. The extent of my empathy toward this “need” to move eastward practically ends there with the fans/students, though. Like, I know the PAC thinks it should be making comparable money to the B1G and SEC, but didn’t do any of the work they did. The PAC’s commissioner at the time came to the table with some solutions, including eastward expansion and a Big Ten scheduling alliance, and it didn’t float.

It’s hard to empathize with the conference further, though. Like, do the darned work to get the money these other conferences did. Expand. Tap into new lucrative markets with west coast representation, and schedule stronger OOC across the board? I mean, this last pass with playoff expansion, what does the conference do? Steer it into the dirt. They’re a “choosing beggar” sort out there. Let them lag behind the rest of the major players, I say. Get on the right side of some of these initiatives instead of acting like an Ayn Rand character who won’t compromise even a little.
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(04-19-2022 01:35 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Seems that the hope is that a west coast team playing a central-time zone team at noon EST will get a bunch of east coast eyeballs to tune in.
Color me skeptical.

Again, I don't think it has that much to do with the time slot and more to do with number of TV sets.

Last November ESPN picked Arizona State - Oregon State for their 7:30 game, but if ASU was playing a team with a larger fanbase or if one of the 3 Big 12 contenders (Baylor, OU, OSU) was playing a lesser Pac-12 team, then ESPN would have a stronger game to air and the Pac-12 would have a better schedule to sell.
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(04-19-2022 03:14 PM)LeeNobody Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 01:07 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 12:49 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I’d like to see a merger with both conferences (sans BYU and East coast Big 12 schools).

1. AU/ASU and CU/Utah rotate between the PAC 8 division and current Big 8/former SWC schools biannually.
2. 9 division games, one cross division game.

I think a PAC 20 would rival every other conference in football and BBall. BYU would be out due to religious affiliations. The PAC should just expand to 20 because adding just a TCU and Houston won’t cut it.
That wouldn’t get votes from Cal, Stanford, or any of the SW schools.

PAC schools care about institutional profile. From an institutional profile standpoint the PAC sans WSU/OSU is AAU (with ASU very near-AAU).

Similar institutions at lesser or equal revenue (possible acquisitions) would be:
AAU: KU, ISU, Rice, Pitt, GT, UNC, Duke, UVA (Pitt, Duke, and UNC being top tier AAU and KU ISU being in the group with tenuous membership)
Near-AAU: NCState, Miami, USF, Cincinnati, VT

That’s heavily weighted toward the East Coast and includes 8 ACC members. So what is the magic number for ACC dissolution? If it’s >2/3 (10) then FSU and Clemson are schools that the PAC presidents would accept in order to associate with UNC, Duke, and Pitt.

From an institution-fit perspective the only skinny merge the presidents would be OK with would be a PAC/ACC merger.

JRJ,

Looking at it from the ACC side of things you would have to shed oregon state and Washington state to make it work with 10 ACC schools. Maybe they could be "encouraged" to take a ND deal. 5 games in football a year, and all the other sports can stay. Maybe guarantee the instate rivals in perpetuity.

With 9 game division schedule, and a cross over game, you would be able to command both coasts. Maybe the champ game alternates between LA and Atl. The winner of champ game likely is a defacto playoff team. Change the bowl selection to stipulate winner of west goes to the rose bowl. Winner of the east goes to the orange

Thoughts?
Both conferences would have to vote to dissolve- the PAC in order to drop WSU and OSU and avoid exit fees* and the ACC to drop members and get out of their TV contract. The PAC takes 2/3 to dissolve (9). I can’t find the ACC number but 2/3 is sort of standard (so 10).
*in this scenario the PAC dissolution would not actually happen as a settlement to buy OSU/WSU out of the PAC-N and NCAA credits would probably be reached. The ACC would have to be dissolved to get out of the garbage tv contract.

For regular season scheduling one would take into account that ND would be an affiliate and occupy the 10th game for USC, Stanford, and a handful of Atlantic division schools. I would say ND would be required to play 3 PAC division and 5 Atlantic division games annually. Say ND also plays 2 B1G opponents annually. That leaves 12 B1G and 12 PAC/ACC schools looking for a 10th game. So I would rather see Nebraska-CU, Pitt-PSU, UVA-UMD, Duke-Northwestern play in a B1G-PAC/ACC challenge than any cross-division games. This would also eliminate the possibility of a CCG rematch which is the worst thing in current CFB.

They could also drop down to 9 and kick Utah out if it made business sense. Whatever it takes. I think this is the only path that keeps the middling PAC and ACC schools relevant. Otherwise it’s just USC, UNC, etc getting poached. The bottom end are hosed regardless.
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For post-season this would really set things on their head with a potential clear breakaway of 70ish schools.

If for instance the BigXII picked up the pieces and went to 20 you could see something like:
Round 1:
Rose: B1G vs PAC/ACC champ.
Peach: ACC/PAC/ND at large vs BigXII at large
Sugar: SEC vs BigXII champ
Cotton: SEC at large vs B1G at large
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Vegas: Rose vs Sugar winners
Atlanta: Peach vs Cotton winners
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Back to the Rose Bowl: Vegas vs Atlanta winners
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(04-19-2022 01:24 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 06:21 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 09:25 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 09:32 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 06:25 PM)Crayton Wrote:  A note to Muskie and Stugray, this would be a ‘drop’ to 8 conference games and transforming the 9th game into a Pac-12/Big 12 tilt. This is exactly what Kliavkoff wanted from the Big Ten this year, Notre Dame games would not be affected. Yes, a decade ago the Pac-12 wanted a TENTH game to be against the Big Ten.

The Big Ten is (currently, in their TV negotiations) declining the option of dropping to 8 conference games to join THE Alliance in scheduling. But the Pac-12 still has incentive to follow through. The ACC has no opportunity until 2036. The Big 12 may be their next best hope.

Would a Conference challenge game be more attractive to fans and television than a conference game?

Is someone like Oregon St going to be ok with less visits from USC in exchange for hosting Houston?

Barring a challenge series with the Big 10 (which I think would pull in some dollars), I think the PAC 12 should stick with 9 conference games while the Big 12 should drop down to 8 because where they are going to pull in respect and money is with playing 2 games a year against other P5s.

The more eye rating $$$ popping question here should be; Which of the two matchups between Houston vs USC or USC vs Oregon St. will bring the most interest $$$.

If a USC vs Houston matchup was to be held here in Houston Texas the eyeball interest would be pretty freaking good. The interest wouldn’t be just good here in Houston but the whole state of Texas.

The PAC would benefit more from dropping Oregon State than gaining Houston.

Oregon State just crushed USC at the LA Coliseum in football this year. Oregon State made the Elite 8 in the NCAA basketball tournament in 2021. Oregon State is currently the No. 2 ranked team in the nation in baseball. They won the baseball national championship in 2006, 2007, and 2018. They are doing a $153 million dollar renovation on their football stadium starting this year. An anonymous donor gave Oregon State $50 million to transform the west side of their football stadium. They have had some competitive football teams in the past. The 2000 team that ended up 4th in the nation after beating Notre Dame 41-9 in the Fiesta Bowl and the 2006 team ended USC's 38 game regular season winning streak. They need to be more consistent, but they deserve to be in the Pac-12.

Exactly!! I didn't bring these points up, but they are valid as well. I remember that the last really good football coach Oregon State had was Dennis Erickson. I was hoping he would make a return to Corvallis after getting canned by the 49ers, but he didn't. It would be nice if Erickson went back to Oregon State as like an advisor to the coach role, and fundraise for them too!!!
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(04-19-2022 11:00 AM)johnintx Wrote:  
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(04-19-2022 09:55 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Given Oregon State's proximity to Portland, I'm surprised that charters don't fly there instead of Eugene.

I'd be interested in seeing a list like this for the G5.

Oregon State is 35 miles from the Eugene airport, and 95 miles from the Portland airport. It's a tough trip, regardless.

Interesting!! I didn't know that!!

Yes. Oregon State and U of O are pretty close together (almost too close together), both west of the mountains and within a couple of hours of the majority of the population of the state.

Washington State, on the other hand...Pullman is about as remote as it gets. The Palouse is beautiful in its own kind of way, but Pullman isn't close to anything...except Moscow, Idaho.

A little similar to how UNC, Duke, and NC State are, IMO, with Chapel Hill being a suburb of Raleigh-Durham. The main difference between those comparisons is that UNC and NC State are located in a big metro area, and Oregon and Oregon State are in or near just a decent sized city.
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(04-19-2022 06:51 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 01:24 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 06:21 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 09:25 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 09:32 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Would a Conference challenge game be more attractive to fans and television than a conference game?

Is someone like Oregon St going to be ok with less visits from USC in exchange for hosting Houston?

Barring a challenge series with the Big 10 (which I think would pull in some dollars), I think the PAC 12 should stick with 9 conference games while the Big 12 should drop down to 8 because where they are going to pull in respect and money is with playing 2 games a year against other P5s.

The more eye rating $$$ popping question here should be; Which of the two matchups between Houston vs USC or USC vs Oregon St. will bring the most interest $$$.

If a USC vs Houston matchup was to be held here in Houston Texas the eyeball interest would be pretty freaking good. The interest wouldn’t be just good here in Houston but the whole state of Texas.

The PAC would benefit more from dropping Oregon State than gaining Houston.

Oregon State just crushed USC at the LA Coliseum in football this year. Oregon State made the Elite 8 in the NCAA basketball tournament in 2021. Oregon State is currently the No. 2 ranked team in the nation in baseball. They won the baseball national championship in 2006, 2007, and 2018. They are doing a $153 million dollar renovation on their football stadium starting this year. An anonymous donor gave Oregon State $50 million to transform the west side of their football stadium. They have had some competitive football teams in the past. The 2000 team that ended up 4th in the nation after beating Notre Dame 41-9 in the Fiesta Bowl and the 2006 team ended USC's 38 game regular season winning streak. They need to be more consistent, but they deserve to be in the Pac-12.

Exactly!! I didn't bring these points up, but they are valid as well. I remember that the last really good football coach Oregon State had was Dennis Erickson. I was hoping he would make a return to Corvallis after getting canned by the 49ers, but he didn't. It would be nice if Erickson went back to Oregon State as like an advisor to the coach role, and fundraise for them too!!!

Erickson has a lot of miles on him at this point. That said, I don’t think Whittingham ever turns the corner and wins a PAC title without DE though. He recruited Zach Moss and Tyler Huntley who finally made the offense something less than pathetic.

Plus WSU could claim him also. In DE’s own words: “I got more hats than anybody,” Erickson joked. “I think I’m damn near around the whole Pac-12 with hats.”
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(04-19-2022 05:30 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
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(04-19-2022 01:07 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 12:49 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I’d like to see a merger with both conferences (sans BYU and East coast Big 12 schools).

1. AU/ASU and CU/Utah rotate between the PAC 8 division and current Big 8/former SWC schools biannually.
2. 9 division games, one cross division game.

I think a PAC 20 would rival every other conference in football and BBall. BYU would be out due to religious affiliations. The PAC should just expand to 20 because adding just a TCU and Houston won’t cut it.
That wouldn’t get votes from Cal, Stanford, or any of the SW schools.

PAC schools care about institutional profile. From an institutional profile standpoint the PAC sans WSU/OSU is AAU (with ASU very near-AAU).

Similar institutions at lesser or equal revenue (possible acquisitions) would be:
AAU: KU, ISU, Rice, Pitt, GT, UNC, Duke, UVA (Pitt, Duke, and UNC being top tier AAU and KU ISU being in the group with tenuous membership)
Near-AAU: NCState, Miami, USF, Cincinnati, VT

That’s heavily weighted toward the East Coast and includes 8 ACC members. So what is the magic number for ACC dissolution? If it’s >2/3 (10) then FSU and Clemson are schools that the PAC presidents would accept in order to associate with UNC, Duke, and Pitt.

From an institution-fit perspective the only skinny merge the presidents would be OK with would be a PAC/ACC merger.

JRJ,

Looking at it from the ACC side of things you would have to shed oregon state and Washington state to make it work with 10 ACC schools. Maybe they could be "encouraged" to take a ND deal. 5 games in football a year, and all the other sports can stay. Maybe guarantee the instate rivals in perpetuity.

With 9 game division schedule, and a cross over game, you would be able to command both coasts. Maybe the champ game alternates between LA and Atl. The winner of champ game likely is a defacto playoff team. Change the bowl selection to stipulate winner of west goes to the rose bowl. Winner of the east goes to the orange

Thoughts?
Both conferences would have to vote to dissolve- the PAC in order to drop WSU and OSU and avoid exit fees* and the ACC to drop members and get out of their TV contract. The PAC takes 2/3 to dissolve (9). I can’t find the ACC number but 2/3 is sort of standard (so 10).
*in this scenario the PAC dissolution would not actually happen as a settlement to buy OSU/WSU out of the PAC-N and NCAA credits would probably be reached. The ACC would have to be dissolved to get out of the garbage tv contract.

For regular season scheduling one would take into account that ND would be an affiliate and occupy the 10th game for USC, Stanford, and a handful of Atlantic division schools. I would say ND would be required to play 3 PAC division and 5 Atlantic division games annually. Say ND also plays 2 B1G opponents annually. That leaves 12 B1G and 12 PAC/ACC schools looking for a 10th game. So I would rather see Nebraska-CU, Pitt-PSU, UVA-UMD, Duke-Northwestern play in a B1G-PAC/ACC challenge than any cross-division games. This would also eliminate the possibility of a CCG rematch which is the worst thing in current CFB.

They could also drop down to 9 and kick Utah out if it made business sense. Whatever it takes. I think this is the only path that keeps the middling PAC and ACC schools relevant. Otherwise it’s just USC, UNC, etc getting poached. The bottom end are hosed regardless.

An interesting thing to note is the degree to which the ACC SEC rivalry games would be very valuable to a potential merger. They may be more valuable than cross-divisional games. Assuming the season stays at 12 games, it might be worthwhile to only have divisional games and the championship serving as a de-facto play in game to the playoffs. In this scenario the ACC and Pac Union would likely be an equal power player in a power 3. It would be difficult for the Big 12 to get a playoff spot. I actually think there would be a lot of pressure to stay at a 4 team playoff. ND has a path to the playoff. B1G and SEC have a guaranteed playoff slot, and all of the p3 have a shot to get a second.
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(04-19-2022 02:11 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 01:35 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Seems that the hope is that a west coast team playing a central-time zone team at noon EST will get a bunch of east coast eyeballs to tune in.
Color me skeptical.
Exactly. This is a marginal improvement but would be a little more sensible if the game for the east coast actually had an east coast school.

IMO everyone has missed one of the key reasons why expansion into the central time zone could be very impactful for the conference.

Eyeballs for late games.

It's already been mentioned here but who watches The PAC after dark? Diehards and Pacific/Mountain people. You know who doesn't? Central and East coast time zone people which makes up two thirds of the population.

I agree that East coast teams would be most impactful but IMO 4-8 Central time zone teams that bring in eyes that wouldn't normally pay attention to the PAC is a game changer.

Just one mans thoughts.
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(04-19-2022 02:17 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  So USC or Oregon gonna play in that time slot every week. They know about that?

Once a year with the setup I laid out. Or rather once every other year in a 20 team league with a 10 game schedule. No reason why they can’t pull it off every two years. PAC West games obviously would never be played in that slot. Just the single crossover game that alternates.

Even foregoing alignment, it is very feasible doing a 10 year case study by mapping out these games for future slates.
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(04-19-2022 05:22 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 01:35 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Seems that the hope is that a west coast team playing a central-time zone team at noon EST will get a bunch of east coast eyeballs to tune in.
Color me skeptical.

Again, I don't think it has that much to do with the time slot and more to do with number of TV sets.

Last November ESPN picked Arizona State - Oregon State for their 7:30 game, but if ASU was playing a team with a larger fanbase or if one of the 3 Big 12 contenders (Baylor, OU, OSU) was playing a lesser Pac-12 team, then ESPN would have a stronger game to air and the Pac-12 would have a better schedule to sell.

That was the Pac-12 after dark game on ESPN. That is a 10:30 East Coast starting time. ASU and Oregon State were both bowl teams, so it was a good matchup. But it was not a matchup that the east coast was going to be interested in. That day, the Pac-12 had UCLA-USC at 1:00 pm Pacific time on Fox and Oregon-Utah at 4:30 pm Pacific time on ABC. They got 4 of their 12 teams in prime time on Fox and ABC. The ASU-OSU game at 10:30 PM in the east ended up with better ratings than the Texas-WVU game and the Baylor-Kansas State game, both played earlier in the day. Oregon State beat Arizona State in that November game, 24-10.
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(04-19-2022 08:53 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 05:22 PM)Crayton Wrote:  
(04-19-2022 01:35 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  Seems that the hope is that a west coast team playing a central-time zone team at noon EST will get a bunch of east coast eyeballs to tune in.
Color me skeptical.

Again, I don't think it has that much to do with the time slot and more to do with number of TV sets.

Last November ESPN picked Arizona State - Oregon State for their 7:30 game, but if ASU was playing a team with a larger fanbase or if one of the 3 Big 12 contenders (Baylor, OU, OSU) was playing a lesser Pac-12 team, then ESPN would have a stronger game to air and the Pac-12 would have a better schedule to sell.

That was the Pac-12 after dark game on ESPN. That is a 10:30 East Coast starting time. ASU and Oregon State were both bowl teams, so it was a good matchup. But it was not a matchup that the east coast was going to be interested in. That day, the Pac-12 had UCLA-USC at 1:00 pm Pacific time on Fox and Oregon-Utah at 4:30 pm Pacific time on ABC. They got 4 of their 12 teams in prime time on Fox and ABC. The ASU-OSU game at 10:30 PM in the east ended up with better ratings than the Texas-WVU game and the Baylor-Kansas State game, both played earlier in the day. Oregon State beat Arizona State in that November game, 24-10.

Well, I did not do my homework. That is a pretty great slate of games for the Pac-12. I guess my only point that still stands is that... an alliance would not affect time slot issues.
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