(06-21-2022 01:17 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 12:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Academically association with the likes of Drexel, UDel, Hofstra, Stony Brook, Northeastern and Elon is nothing to sneeze at. UDel being the only real potential flight risk and a low one at that. Playing a couple HBCUs can be useful in diversity student recruitment. Overall I think the arguments for the CAA far outweigh the negatives, as these are better name recognition schools. But apparently concerns about needing to improve their athletics to compete and not wanting to allocate much in the way of additional resources to it seems to be the real sticking point.

Well now I feel left out

LOL, if I included everyone the sentence would have been even more of a run on. I mean who among the CAA would they not want to be associated with? I suppose Monmouth and NC A&T are bringing up the rear, but the rest are super good including W&M.

(06-21-2022 01:53 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 01:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 12:14 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(06-20-2022 01:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The CAA is a 7 team basketball division from Boston to Baltimore and a 6 team basketball division from Williamsburg to Charleston joined together by history and FCS football.

The only people who see the CAA that way are constantly disgruntled UNCW fans and posters. First, leave Williamsburg out of this. W&M has rivalries as strong - maybe stronger - with those north of Baltimore (Delaware, Hofstra) than many of those south of it. Second, Elon and Charleston joined to actually be part of conference that stretches up the coast, not restricted in a secondary tier below your Mason Dixon line mentality,

The CAA is an east coast conference with a mid Atlantic core. It’s pretty easy.

Seriously, as much as I admire UNCW, I think you would be so much happier in the Big South. The rest of us enjoy the membership and geography of the league.

Elon and Charleston joined the CAA because there was a mass exodus in the SoCon and the CAA looked like a better bet

No one liked a 1 bid round robin no TV money conference that stretched from Boston to Charleston. It was dumb and the new additions should help minimize travel costs. If there is no money financing an ACC like footprint, there is no point in having one. Divisions are the only way forward for such a geographically spread out CAA

No need to try rewrite history. Elon and Charleston left because they wanted to broaden their appeal up the East Coast. They stated that. They pull students from the northeast. There was no pressure for either to leave the So Con. if playing in a southern only conference was their goal, they would have stayed. It wasn’t.

And you don’t need Divisions. You can pod schedule like the A10. Most would probably prefer that.

I get your angst at UNCW. You don’t like the geographical stretch. That’s fine. I just can’t understand why you don’t leave. You have options - the Big South, ASun, So Con. Everyone else in the CAA is pretty happy and it’s not like there aren’t other schools who would consider taking your spot.

As i get barked at for saying on the UNCW board, the CAA is the best of option available for UNCW at this time. The A10 would be ideal as it's a basketball conference. The CAA evolved into a football focused conference. However the A10 is at best a long term goal.

If the CAA can get to 14 and institute divisional scheduling for Olympic sports that would help. I'm I different as to whether there are hard divisions but reducing travel costs should be a primary goal for all 13 members. This is why the next addition should be at DC or below

(06-21-2022 02:41 PM)sctvman Wrote:  but the CAA would rather get more into TV markets especially for their new media deal.

“New media deal”? More like ANY sort of media deal. The current CAA media deal model is based on schools with a fanbase paying for overpriced and low-quality Flosports streams, then the league buying crappy CBS SPORTS spots with that welfare money. I suppose that could change, but it would seem to me that the sudden massive expansion happened to try to find more subscribers. Flo ain’t a “media deal” just like Facebook wasn’t a media deal for CUSA.

(06-21-2022 03:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 01:53 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 01:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 12:14 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(06-20-2022 01:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The CAA is a 7 team basketball division from Boston to Baltimore and a 6 team basketball division from Williamsburg to Charleston joined together by history and FCS football.

The only people who see the CAA that way are constantly disgruntled UNCW fans and posters. First, leave Williamsburg out of this. W&M has rivalries as strong - maybe stronger - with those north of Baltimore (Delaware, Hofstra) than many of those south of it. Second, Elon and Charleston joined to actually be part of conference that stretches up the coast, not restricted in a secondary tier below your Mason Dixon line mentality,

The CAA is an east coast conference with a mid Atlantic core. It’s pretty easy.

Seriously, as much as I admire UNCW, I think you would be so much happier in the Big South. The rest of us enjoy the membership and geography of the league.

Elon and Charleston joined the CAA because there was a mass exodus in the SoCon and the CAA looked like a better bet

No one liked a 1 bid round robin no TV money conference that stretched from Boston to Charleston. It was dumb and the new additions should help minimize travel costs. If there is no money financing an ACC like footprint, there is no point in having one. Divisions are the only way forward for such a geographically spread out CAA

No need to try rewrite history. Elon and Charleston left because they wanted to broaden their appeal up the East Coast. They stated that. They pull students from the northeast. There was no pressure for either to leave the So Con. if playing in a southern only conference was their goal, they would have stayed. It wasn’t.

And you don’t need Divisions. You can pod schedule like the A10. Most would probably prefer that.

I get your angst at UNCW. You don’t like the geographical stretch. That’s fine. I just can’t understand why you don’t leave. You have options - the Big South, ASun, So Con. Everyone else in the CAA is pretty happy and it’s not like there aren’t other schools who would consider taking your spot.

As i get barked at for saying on the UNCW board, the CAA is the best of option available for UNCW at this time. The A10 would be ideal as it's a basketball conference. The CAA evolved into a football focused conference. However the A10 is at best a long term goal.

If the CAA can get to 14 and institute divisional scheduling for Olympic sports that would help. I'm I different as to whether there are hard divisions but reducing travel costs should be a primary goal for all 13 members. This is why the next addition should be at DC or below

A10 stretching from Mass to N Carolina… and to the west St Louis, Ohio, Chicago and Pittsburgh. No divisions. Tourney unit money mostly goes to the bid winners. And that’s your long term goal. Assuming UNCW gets an invite, won’t you be unhappy with the members locations which is way worse and spread out than CAA? What about travel cost in A10?

Get Fairfield or Albany on board and be done it. As many suggested no need for divisions.

IIRC, a while ago Fairfield expressed interest moving from regional to national ranking. I don’t know if they started the process or even realistic, but I suppose they would go from 4th north regional to somewhere around 150 where Quinny is.

(06-21-2022 08:19 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  Get Fairfield or Albany on board and be done it. As many suggested no need for divisions.

IIRC, a while ago Fairfield expressed interest moving from regional to national ranking. I don’t know if they started the process or even realistic, but I suppose they would go from 4th north regional to somewhere around 150 where Quinny is.

Any chance the Howard calculation is the school can hold out for a more attractive option than the CAA?

(06-21-2022 08:36 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:19 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  Get Fairfield or Albany on board and be done it. As many suggested no need for divisions.

IIRC, a while ago Fairfield expressed interest moving from regional to national ranking. I don’t know if they started the process or even realistic, but I suppose they would go from 4th north regional to somewhere around 150 where Quinny is.

Any chance the Howard calculation is the school can hold out for a more attractive option than the CAA?

The CAA is probably their ceiling.

(06-21-2022 12:18 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 11:54 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  

(06-20-2022 09:14 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(06-20-2022 01:54 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  

(06-20-2022 01:37 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  Did you think a Northeastern basketball conference would invite North Carolina A&T to be a regional rival and NET ranking booster?

Do you think a Southern football conference would include Northeastern and Hofstra as full members, and Maine and New Hampshire as football affiliates?

Northeastern and Hofstra had football when they joined. Football drives the bus in the CAA’s realignment decisions. That would be a mistake for Fairfield’s future. Solohawks’ description is less exaggerated than mine though.

Football vs. non-football isn't my issue here. It's your characterization of the CAA as a Southern football conference. The CAA is a Mid-Atlantic all-sports conference, and if anything, has more of a northeast focus in football. There really isn't much that's southern about a conference where Elon and NC A&T are the southernmost football members.

The solution here would be to convince Northeastern, Hofstra, and Drexel to join the Metro Atlantic. The MAAC will almost certainly eclipse the CAA in NET rankings once all the new football members are added. Sure, CAA Football has lots of affiliates in the Northeast, but who’s voting on CAA all-sports adds? A bunch of schools in the Carolinas and Virginia. If the argument that they’re “not Southern” boils down to Towson and Delaware being considered part of Northeastern states, well, is that who Fairfield wants to throw their lot in with? Especially since those schools could be flight risks to join one of the Southern G5 conferences…

So, in this post, you're arguing that:

1. Northeastern, Hofstra, and Drexel should join a conference with a bunch of schools a tenth their size
2. That Delaware is closer to being a Southern school than a Northeastern school
3. That anyone in the "Northeast Corridor" between Washington and Boston could be seen as clearly Southern
4. Fairfield would somehow NOT want to throw their lot with the likes of Delaware or William & Mary instead of Niagara, Rider, Mount St. Mary's, et al
5. Anyone other than Delaware (if that) is a flight risk to a southern G5 conference
   

I mean, this is real fantasy world type-stuff. The CAA is a conference with a Mid-Atlantic core, and two of the lynchpins in the south (W&M, Elon) are in the CAA as opposed to the SoCon because the CAA isn't a Southern-focused conference. Sorry that the past round of realignment solidified the CAA as being ahead of the MAAC in the pecking order, but really, you're grasping at straws here.

(06-22-2022 12:06 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  So, in this post, you're arguing that:

1. Northeastern, Hofstra, and Drexel should join a conference with a bunch of schools a tenth their size

*Now* who’s exaggerating? Hofstra is only slightly larger than the current Metro Atlantic members. Northeastern and Drexel are larger, but there isn’t a single member that Drexel is 10x larger than.

Quote:

That Delaware is closer to being a Southern school than a Northeastern school

Not exactly. I understand it’s considered Mid-Atlantic, which I would note is a hybrid term because the word “Northeastern” alone doesn’t totally fit. It’s a football school that will make football decisions, which also means they’ll always look to their South for options.

Quote:

That anyone in the "Northeast Corridor" between Washington and Boston could be seen as clearly Southern

I just didn’t say that at all, I dunno where this came from. I didn’t use those quote marks, that’s not a term that I would use.

Quote:

Fairfield would somehow NOT want to throw their lot with the likes of Delaware or William & Mary instead of Niagara, Rider, Mount St. Mary's, et al

Now why is that hard to believe? They’re good schools, but they’re going to prioritize football.

Quote:

Anyone other than Delaware (if that) is a flight risk to a southern G5 conference

I did say Delaware is the flight risk. I’m sure Towson would love to stay with them, though they may not get that opportunity—if Delaware even does. The point is, they’ll look, and is that good for Fairfield?

Quote:I mean, this is real fantasy world type-stuff. The CAA is a conference with a Mid-Atlantic core, and two of the lynchpins in the south (W&M, Elon) are in the CAA as opposed to the SoCon because the CAA isn't a Southern-focused conference.

It’s a mix, I understand. It’s still partially that.

Quote:Sorry that the past round of realignment solidified the CAA as being ahead of the MAAC in the pecking order, but really, you're grasping at straws here.

The last round? Yes, almost even but very slightly ahead. The current round? It’ll probably go the other way.

Anyways, my posts won’t change what happens, I’m just trying to offer a perspective to CAA fans who think they can invite and take whoever they want. Those schools may decide otherwise.

(06-21-2022 08:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:36 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:19 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  Get Fairfield or Albany on board and be done it. As many suggested no need for divisions.

IIRC, a while ago Fairfield expressed interest moving from regional to national ranking. I don’t know if they started the process or even realistic, but I suppose they would go from 4th north regional to somewhere around 150 where Quinny is.

Any chance the Howard calculation is the school can hold out for a more attractive option than the CAA?

The CAA is probably their ceiling.

Just wondering, in view of home basketball game with Notre Dame in previous basketball season, and having Yale and Harvard on the 2022 football schedule, whether leadership at Howard has concluded conference affiliation isn't particularly critical to obtaining desired exposure. CAA membership might result in more losses than MEAC membership and, in basketball, is likely to remain a one bid league that in recent years has been netting 15 seeds.

(06-21-2022 08:13 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 03:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 01:53 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 01:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 12:14 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  The only people who see the CAA that way are constantly disgruntled UNCW fans and posters. First, leave Williamsburg out of this. W&M has rivalries as strong - maybe stronger - with those north of Baltimore (Delaware, Hofstra) than many of those south of it. Second, Elon and Charleston joined to actually be part of conference that stretches up the coast, not restricted in a secondary tier below your Mason Dixon line mentality,

The CAA is an east coast conference with a mid Atlantic core. It’s pretty easy.

Seriously, as much as I admire UNCW, I think you would be so much happier in the Big South. The rest of us enjoy the membership and geography of the league.

Elon and Charleston joined the CAA because there was a mass exodus in the SoCon and the CAA looked like a better bet

No one liked a 1 bid round robin no TV money conference that stretched from Boston to Charleston. It was dumb and the new additions should help minimize travel costs. If there is no money financing an ACC like footprint, there is no point in having one. Divisions are the only way forward for such a geographically spread out CAA

No need to try rewrite history. Elon and Charleston left because they wanted to broaden their appeal up the East Coast. They stated that. They pull students from the northeast. There was no pressure for either to leave the So Con. if playing in a southern only conference was their goal, they would have stayed. It wasn’t.

And you don’t need Divisions. You can pod schedule like the A10. Most would probably prefer that.

I get your angst at UNCW. You don’t like the geographical stretch. That’s fine. I just can’t understand why you don’t leave. You have options - the Big South, ASun, So Con. Everyone else in the CAA is pretty happy and it’s not like there aren’t other schools who would consider taking your spot.

As i get barked at for saying on the UNCW board, the CAA is the best of option available for UNCW at this time. The A10 would be ideal as it's a basketball conference. The CAA evolved into a football focused conference. However the A10 is at best a long term goal.

If the CAA can get to 14 and institute divisional scheduling for Olympic sports that would help. I'm I different as to whether there are hard divisions but reducing travel costs should be a primary goal for all 13 members. This is why the next addition should be at DC or below

A10 stretching from Mass to N Carolina… and to the west St Louis, Ohio, Chicago and Pittsburgh. No divisions. Tourney unit money mostly goes to the bid winners. And that’s your long term goal. Assuming UNCW gets an invite, won’t you be unhappy with the members locations which is way worse and spread out than CAA? What about travel cost in A10?

If you're in a mutilbid league the travel cost is worth it.

Plus the A10 was never a round robin conference.

Again we don't need hard divisons but divisional style scheduling.

A10 does something similar based off what I have read

FWIW, and I'm not saying the Howard report is wrong or anything, but I haven't been able to confirm it, and neither has anybody else in the know that I've talked to.

It could be completely correct! But there are plenty of other reporters sniffing this story and the fact that nobody else has said anything may be notable. Maybe not.

(06-22-2022 07:08 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:13 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 03:42 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 01:53 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 01:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Elon and Charleston joined the CAA because there was a mass exodus in the SoCon and the CAA looked like a better bet

No one liked a 1 bid round robin no TV money conference that stretched from Boston to Charleston. It was dumb and the new additions should help minimize travel costs. If there is no money financing an ACC like footprint, there is no point in having one. Divisions are the only way forward for such a geographically spread out CAA

No need to try rewrite history. Elon and Charleston left because they wanted to broaden their appeal up the East Coast. They stated that. They pull students from the northeast. There was no pressure for either to leave the So Con. if playing in a southern only conference was their goal, they would have stayed. It wasn’t.

And you don’t need Divisions. You can pod schedule like the A10. Most would probably prefer that.

I get your angst at UNCW. You don’t like the geographical stretch. That’s fine. I just can’t understand why you don’t leave. You have options - the Big South, ASun, So Con. Everyone else in the CAA is pretty happy and it’s not like there aren’t other schools who would consider taking your spot.

As i get barked at for saying on the UNCW board, the CAA is the best of option available for UNCW at this time. The A10 would be ideal as it's a basketball conference. The CAA evolved into a football focused conference. However the A10 is at best a long term goal.

If the CAA can get to 14 and institute divisional scheduling for Olympic sports that would help. I'm I different as to whether there are hard divisions but reducing travel costs should be a primary goal for all 13 members. This is why the next addition should be at DC or below

A10 stretching from Mass to N Carolina… and to the west St Louis, Ohio, Chicago and Pittsburgh. No divisions. Tourney unit money mostly goes to the bid winners. And that’s your long term goal. Assuming UNCW gets an invite, won’t you be unhappy with the members locations which is way worse and spread out than CAA? What about travel cost in A10?

Again we don't need hard divisons but divisional style scheduling.

If I’m reading this right, we agree!! This works best for all I think as covered on some other posts. Allows flexibility for those who want to schedule that may not be based solely on geography (W&M vs Hofstra or Delaware as examples).

(06-22-2022 06:58 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:36 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:19 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  Get Fairfield or Albany on board and be done it. As many suggested no need for divisions.

IIRC, a while ago Fairfield expressed interest moving from regional to national ranking. I don’t know if they started the process or even realistic, but I suppose they would go from 4th north regional to somewhere around 150 where Quinny is.

Any chance the Howard calculation is the school can hold out for a more attractive option than the CAA?

The CAA is probably their ceiling.

Just wondering, in view of home basketball game with Notre Dame in previous basketball season, and having Yale and Harvard on the 2022 football schedule, whether leadership at Howard has concluded conference affiliation isn't particularly critical to obtaining desired exposure. CAA membership might result in more losses than MEAC membership and, in basketball, is likely to remain a one bid league that in recent years has been netting 15 seeds.

Is it possible that given the current environment that HBCU schools like Howard have more to gain financially by standing together than assimilating into more main stream conferences?

(06-22-2022 08:15 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 06:58 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:36 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:19 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  Get Fairfield or Albany on board and be done it. As many suggested no need for divisions.

IIRC, a while ago Fairfield expressed interest moving from regional to national ranking. I don’t know if they started the process or even realistic, but I suppose they would go from 4th north regional to somewhere around 150 where Quinny is.

Any chance the Howard calculation is the school can hold out for a more attractive option than the CAA?

The CAA is probably their ceiling.

Just wondering, in view of home basketball game with Notre Dame in previous basketball season, and having Yale and Harvard on the 2022 football schedule, whether leadership at Howard has concluded conference affiliation isn't particularly critical to obtaining desired exposure. CAA membership might result in more losses than MEAC membership and, in basketball, is likely to remain a one bid league that in recent years has been netting 15 seeds.

Is it possible that given the current environment that HBCU schools like Howard have more to gain financially by standing together than assimilating into more main stream conferences?

I agree with Sitting Bull

As long as no one else jumps, it works out much better for Howard to be the King of an 8 team HBCU MEAC. The farthest trip will be Orangeburg, SC (8 hours with stops, straight down I95).

(06-22-2022 08:08 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  FWIW, and I'm not saying the Howard report is wrong or anything, but I haven't been able to confirm it, and neither has anybody else in the know that I've talked to.

It could be completely correct! But there are plenty of other reporters sniffing this story and the fact that nobody else has said anything may be notable. Maybe not.

Every article I’ve read keeps citing the HERO Sports reporter, but there’s
nothing independently confirming that report.

Also, if Howard was leaving, they wouldn’t do it the week of Juneteenth for unnecessary additional negative publicity. They’d wait another week.

(06-22-2022 05:50 AM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  

(06-22-2022 12:06 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  Sorry that the past round of realignment solidified the CAA as being ahead of the MAAC in the pecking order, but really, you're grasping at straws here.

The last round? Yes, almost even but very slightly ahead. The current round? It’ll probably go the other way.

Anyways, my posts won’t change what happens, I’m just trying to offer a perspective to CAA fans who think they can invite and take whoever they want. Those schools may decide otherwise.

You know, I had typed out responses to a lot of your post. But in the end, if you believe this, it's all pointless. The MAAC lost Monmouth and added Mount St. Mary's. And you think the MAAC came out almost even?

(06-22-2022 06:58 AM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:44 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:36 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 08:19 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  Get Fairfield or Albany on board and be done it. As many suggested no need for divisions.

IIRC, a while ago Fairfield expressed interest moving from regional to national ranking. I don’t know if they started the process or even realistic, but I suppose they would go from 4th north regional to somewhere around 150 where Quinny is.

Any chance the Howard calculation is the school can hold out for a more attractive option than the CAA?

The CAA is probably their ceiling.

Just wondering, in view of home basketball game with Notre Dame in previous basketball season, and having Yale and Harvard on the 2022 football schedule, whether leadership at Howard has concluded conference affiliation isn't particularly critical to obtaining desired exposure. CAA membership might result in more losses than MEAC membership and, in basketball, is likely to remain a one bid league that in recent years has been netting 15 seeds.

It's below the CAA athletically (at least in football and basketball) but if the goal is to play games against the Ivies then Howard should join the Patriot League instead.

(06-22-2022 01:19 PM)jcohen42 Wrote:  You know, I had typed out responses to a lot of your post. But in the end, if you believe this, it's all pointless. The MAAC lost Monmouth and added Mount St. Mary's. And you think the MAAC came out almost even?

Yes. Monmouth is a football school that made a football decision, moving to a conference that reaches further to the South. The MAAC could have just stayed at 10 and been fine, but the Mount is a consistently good basketball program and gets the MAAC closer to those Mid-Atlantic metro regions that are certainly good for recruiting. Monmouth and Stony Brook are decent basketball adds, but Hampton and North Carolina A&T? There’s no definitive pecking order here, just different priorities.

(06-21-2022 07:07 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(06-21-2022 02:41 PM)sctvman Wrote:  but the CAA would rather get more into TV markets especially for their new media deal.

“New media deal”? More like ANY sort of media deal. The current CAA media deal model is based on schools with a fanbase paying for overpriced and low-quality Flosports streams, then the league buying crappy CBS SPORTS spots with that welfare money. I suppose that could change, but it would seem to me that the sudden massive expansion happened to try to find more subscribers. Flo ain’t a “media deal” just like Facebook wasn’t a media deal for CUSA.

It feels like there's a huge disconnect between fans and admins with the Flo Sports deal, I hope that when it's up the ADs listen to the fan bases and the conference switches to ESPN+