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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-18-2022 07:43 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Maybe this over reach leads to W&M and Delaware bolting for the Patriot League and take Richmond and Villanova along as football affiliates. At this point, it could be preferable with two more weak additions.

Does the Patriot League want Delaware? The Patriot has historically been pretty selective with who they add. Delaware does not fit their profile.

I tend to think, if W&M was going to leave, they would have left already. I wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the schools pushing the hardest for Howard. I really don't see W&M going anywhere.

Delaware has nowhere to go but up. If they're going to ditch the CAA, they have to commit the resources to prove that they are above the CAA.
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(04-17-2022 09:41 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 08:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MEAC needs to think outside the line and invite schools who are interested in D1 in their area who are not HBCU. UNC-Pembroke might be one to look at.

Easier said than done, given that the HBCU identity is central to its mission. It's comparable to asking the Ivy League to seek public schools for expansion (To be fair, one of the Ancient Eight is a public land grant school, but most don't realize it.)

It's only partially so. You aren't paying SUNY costs to go to the statutory colleges
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(04-18-2022 02:49 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Next move Chicago St. to the MEAC just long enough to watch NCCU, Norfolk St. go to the Big South. ASUN could take S.Carolina St. or Big South takes them and Queens for 14.

Any chance Clark Atlanta would join the MEAC?

Delaware St. NEC invite or would the AEC take them for 10? Where does the MAAC stand w/ LeMoyne? Where does the NEC rank their options, LeMoyne, Bentley, Mercyhurst, Delaware St., Morgan St.?

More likely to get the Morehouse/Spelman combo.
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One thing worth considering here....the MEAC doesn't send a team to the FCS Playoff, so falling below the auto-bid cutoff line doesn't matter the same way as it does for other FCS football leagues....
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(04-18-2022 08:59 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  One thing worth considering here....the MEAC doesn't send a team to the FCS Playoff, so falling below the auto-bid cutoff line doesn't matter the same way as it does for other FCS football leagues....

Interesting point

Football counts as one of their sports to meet NCAA minimums. Does the fact that they will be below 6 effect that requirement? That is the big one as they must have football to meet the definition of a D1 conference since they don't have two other non basketball men's team sports (baseball and soccer being the most typical)
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-18-2022 09:02 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 08:59 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  One thing worth considering here....the MEAC doesn't send a team to the FCS Playoff, so falling below the auto-bid cutoff line doesn't matter the same way as it does for other FCS football leagues....

Interesting point

Football counts as one of their sports to meet NCAA minimums. Does the fact that they will be below 6 effect that requirement? That is the big one as they must have football to meet the definition of a D1 conference since they don't have two other non basketball men's team sports (baseball and soccer being the most typical)

Yes, that's why not having 6 in football is so important. It's not about the autobid. It's about remaining compliant as a D1 multisport conference.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-18-2022 08:59 AM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  One thing worth considering here....the MEAC doesn't send a team to the FCS Playoff, so falling below the auto-bid cutoff line doesn't matter the same way as it does for other FCS football leagues....

But who pushed this subject to begin with, withdrawing from the FCS playoff? I thought Howard was one of the more vocal proponents. To ditch the conference now when they can’t really reverse course unless they find new members?
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the MEAC doesn't send a team to the FCS Playoff because the MEAC champion goes to Celebration Bowl… which is very popular and has nice payout. Total $2m. Each conference, SWAC and MEAC gets $1 million a piece. The participating schools get $600,000 of that money plus all revenue they generate from ticket sales.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
The only thing that seems to make sense to me is that the Northern members are preparing to split from the Southern members. I can't figure out how continuing to grow serves any real purpose after the additions SBU, Monmouth, and Hampton.
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The MEAC may not be concerned about an FCS playoff autobid but they do need to meet minimum sports sponsorship requirements for D1. If they fall under 6 football programs then they need a total of 3 men’s team sports where they do.
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(04-18-2022 07:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 09:50 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I really like Howard as an add.

The CAA will be a consistent multi bid league, so having 15 schools doesn't really seem to matter to me.

I would make five pods of three for scheduling, play your pod and two other pods each year. You play every school over a two year period that way.

Howard/NC AT/Hampton

W&M/Richmond/Elon

Towson/Delaware/Nova

SB/Monmouth/Albany

URI/Maine/UNH

You lose out on some rivalries/regional matchups, but for a clunky number like 15, I feel like this actually works pretty well

The biggest matchups you miss put on under this alignment are A&T vs. Elon and Hampton vs Richmond and W&M. They would be every other year instead of every year. But since they aren't happening now at all you aren't losing anything

Well done Denver

Thanks, yeah it gets a bit weird with the southern schools, but the HBCU/non HBCU split seemed like the best compromise.

Geographically, Elon/A&T should be aligned, as should Richmond/WM/Hampton, but then you would put Howard with the NC schools.

Looking at travel for everyone, A&T/Elon/Hampton and Richmond/WM/Howard might make more sense, but that puts Howard in a bit of a weird spot.

You could probably do something where each school has two protected rivals, but I don't know what schools would like better, and the pods seems like a cleaner solution.

WM: Richmond/Hampton

Richmond: Elon/WM

Elon: Richmond/A&T

Hampton: Howard/WM

Howard: Hampton/A&T

A&T: Elon/Howard
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(04-18-2022 08:56 AM)whittx Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 02:49 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  Next move Chicago St. to the MEAC just long enough to watch NCCU, Norfolk St. go to the Big South. ASUN could take S.Carolina St. or Big South takes them and Queens for 14.

Any chance Clark Atlanta would join the MEAC?

Delaware St. NEC invite or would the AEC take them for 10? Where does the MAAC stand w/ LeMoyne? Where does the NEC rank their options, LeMoyne, Bentley, Mercyhurst, Delaware St., Morgan St.?

More likely to get the Morehouse/Spelman combo.

I actually wondered about that but it turns out Spelman dropped intercollegiate athletics 10 years ago
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(04-18-2022 08:53 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 07:43 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Maybe this over reach leads to W&M and Delaware bolting for the Patriot League and take Richmond and Villanova along as football affiliates. At this point, it could be preferable with two more weak additions.

Does the Patriot League want Delaware? The Patriot has historically been pretty selective with who they add. Delaware does not fit their profile.

I tend to think, if W&M was going to leave, they would have left already. I wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the schools pushing the hardest for Howard. I really don't see W&M going anywhere.

Delaware has nowhere to go but up. If they're going to ditch the CAA, they have to commit the resources to prove that they are above the CAA.

I think the PL would jump at Delaware if available. They were once in the same league with Lehigh/Lafayette/Bucknell before they joined the Yankee/CAA.

This is all very fluid though I’m just speculating out what the CAA works would look like IF the expansion went to 16 and split divisions, as some have mentioned and strongly pushed here. I thought the CAA was solid at 12 (with SBU, Monmouth and Hampton adds), just two months ago. I think they should have stopped there.

Now, if the 16 became reality with a south Division, the speculated southern division would include the following:
W&M, Howard, Hampton, Elon, NC Central, UNCW, NC A&T and Charleston.

This group would become W&Ms primary core of athletic partners. There isn’t a single rival in the bunch. There’s not a single member there that W&M has any history beyond near 10 years of competition outside Hampton - and even Hampton has been a more recent opponent. I can’t imagine this would spark fan interest at W&M.

So I just can’t see that W&M would find this at all appealing. If they do, I guess they don’t think any of our past history, athletic rivals, academic associations, etc, mean anything.
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Yeah, I think this will be the final death blow to the MEAC. DSU had contact with the NEC, NCCU with the Big South. Almost certainly NSU and SC State will engage the Big South and ASUN as well, and Morgan State seems logical to engage the NEC. At least three of these will find homes. Which ones find homes may have more to do with the urgency of the school to move than with their relative athletic or academic stature within the group.

MEAC members have long lost their faith in the commissioner. The exodus was only put off by the personal intervention of Howard's President, and his efforts to hold the conference together. But with his departure, and the failure of the search committee to find new members, that respite is about to end. 2022-23 is very likely the last year of the MEAC.
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So if the MEAC goes belly up, does their charter become a commodity that can be sold or transferred to another bid of institutions?
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(04-18-2022 12:14 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 08:53 AM)jcohen42 Wrote:  
(04-18-2022 07:43 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Maybe this over reach leads to W&M and Delaware bolting for the Patriot League and take Richmond and Villanova along as football affiliates. At this point, it could be preferable with two more weak additions.

Does the Patriot League want Delaware? The Patriot has historically been pretty selective with who they add. Delaware does not fit their profile.

I tend to think, if W&M was going to leave, they would have left already. I wouldn't be surprised if they were one of the schools pushing the hardest for Howard. I really don't see W&M going anywhere.

Delaware has nowhere to go but up. If they're going to ditch the CAA, they have to commit the resources to prove that they are above the CAA.

I think the PL would jump at Delaware if available. They were once in the same league with Lehigh/Lafayette/Bucknell before they joined the Yankee/CAA.

This is all very fluid though I’m just speculating out what the CAA works would look like IF the expansion went to 16 and split divisions, as some have mentioned and strongly pushed here. I thought the CAA was solid at 12 (with SBU, Monmouth and Hampton adds), just two months ago. I think they should have stopped there.

Now, if the 16 became reality with a south Division, the speculated southern division would include the following:
W&M, Howard, Hampton, Elon, NC Central, UNCW, NC A&T and Charleston.

This group would become W&Ms primary core of athletic partners. There isn’t a single rival in the bunch. There’s not a single member there that W&M has any history beyond near 10 years of competition outside Hampton - and even Hampton has been a more recent opponent. I can’t imagine this would spark fan interest at W&M.

So I just can’t see that W&M would find this at all appealing. If they do, I guess they don’t think any of our past history, athletic rivals, academic associations, etc, mean anything.

I think that's 100% fair from a W&M perspective. If I were y'all, I would probably want Patriot League myself. But most of the evidence suggests that it's just not on the table. Perhaps a regime change would change that.
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I could *maybe* see Morgan/DSU going NEC for football only, and NCCU/NSU/SCST going ASun/Big South football only. Then, the MEAC just becomes a non football conference? I'm sure the NCAA would give the MEAC a waiver to get in compliance about the number of team sports offered, though the MEAC would need several schools to start up soccer or something (and they need to find a few baseball programs).

Matt did have an interesting point that the auto-bid matters a little less, but I'm sure a lot of stuff is up in flux with the Celebration Bowl.
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In regards to the PL, I don't really think it makes sense for W&M. We may not have big rivalries with a lot of our conference mates, but we certainly don't have rivalries with Bucknell and Colgate.
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(04-18-2022 01:30 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I could *maybe* see Morgan/DSU going NEC for football only, and NCCU/NSU/SCST going ASun/Big South football only. Then, the MEAC just becomes a non football conference? I'm sure the NCAA would give the MEAC a waiver to get in compliance about the number of team sports offered, though the MEAC would need several schools to start up soccer or something (and they need to find a few baseball programs).

Matt did have an interesting point that the auto-bid matters a little less, but I'm sure a lot of stuff is up in flux with the Celebration Bowl.

If Howard is gone, I think everyone who can get out will jump on whatever raft they can get.

I think that probably means 2 to the Big South and 2 to the NEC on a full member basis.

If the last 3 want to cling to D1 they might be able to restock from D2 by welcoming any taker willing to come, but I could also see what’s left just consolidate into the existing HBCU D2 leagues
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(04-18-2022 01:31 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  In regards to the PL, I don't really think it makes sense for W&M. We may not have big rivalries with a lot of our conference mates, but we certainly don't have rivalries with Bucknell and Colgate.

Here’s the breakdown by league on all sports based on a “divisional” view for W&M:

CAA: Howard, Hampton, Elon, UNCW, NC A&T, Charleston, and say NC Central.

Patriot: American, Navy, Loyola MD, Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Army.

I’m not sure I see a big issue on rivalries though a major difference in association and prestige, particularly with the service academies. The Patriot list looks a lot more like the list of schools we compete for athletes.
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