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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
Howard is a good add. Adds DC. Prestigious school. I hope thats the last one. Let’s stop at 14. I preferred 12…. but I think adding the best HBCUs from CAA footprint is not the worst idea. I am hoping this would attract better media deal. No need for any further expansion. Now CAA can be divided nicely North/South divisions.

I highly doubt there will be a split for AQ. More likely it’s a safety cushion in case Delaware goes fbs… or another school goes to A10. And for split you don’t need a shell conference if I’m not mistaken. 7 or 8 members who have played for a while can split together similar to Catholic 7 from Old BE. Unless rules have changed.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-17-2022 03:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I think the CAA will not mind the formation of AEC football, might well encourage it to remove their New England wing for a tighter geographic footprint. Bryant (AEC with Big South football) plus CAAF members Albany, Maine, New Hampshire and Rhode Island (A-10 member) are the obvious core of such an AEC group. Whatever, they'll likely continue divisions for a bit more regional scheduling.

Pods in general are silly --of course some proponents on this board always have to bring them up--. But in theory you could do shadow pods in basketball. With 15 teams you have 14 games playing everyone in a single round robin, play 4 in your pod of 5 for a 2nd game to finish an 18 game schedule.

I don't see that happening. Far more likely everyone will designate two rivals. Hampton, Howard and NC A&T will almost certainly want each other as built in rivals, never mind being in different "pods," with strong arguments for better attendance. Also playing a rotation of the other 10 schools a 2nd time improves cohesion. So I expect this to be the scheduling choice

The question is does AEC football start because the CAA decides to pull their football teams out of the football conference that shares their name (and only ask Villanova and Richmond to be affiliates or would the AEC do it on it’s own volition?

If something does happen within CAA Football and an AEC football forms I think it will be because CAA forced them out and they had no choice.

With that said, AEC football could look something like this:

Bryant
Rhode Island*
Maine
New Hampshire
Albany
Robert Morris*

Plus any orphaned MEAC schools they might want like Del St and Morgan St.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
I wonder what caused Howard’s change of heart. They’ve been the glue holding the league together and it look like that as long as they stayed, the other 7 would too.

Did they get wind that the Big South was working NC Central and Norfolk St hard so they could preserve their football league rather than be the junior partner of the OVC alliance?
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-17-2022 07:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 03:07 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I think the CAA will not mind the formation of AEC football, might well encourage it to remove their New England wing for a tighter geographic footprint. Bryant (AEC with Big South football) plus CAAF members Albany, Maine, New Hampshire and Rhode Island (A-10 member) are the obvious core of such an AEC group. Whatever, they'll likely continue divisions for a bit more regional scheduling.

Pods in general are silly --of course some proponents on this board always have to bring them up--. But in theory you could do shadow pods in basketball. With 15 teams you have 14 games playing everyone in a single round robin, play 4 in your pod of 5 for a 2nd game to finish an 18 game schedule.

I don't see that happening. Far more likely everyone will designate two rivals. Hampton, Howard and NC A&T will almost certainly want each other as built in rivals, never mind being in different "pods," with strong arguments for better attendance. Also playing a rotation of the other 10 schools a 2nd time improves cohesion. So I expect this to be the scheduling choice

The question is does AEC football start because the CAA decides to pull their football teams out of the football conference that shares their name (and only ask Villanova and Richmond to be affiliates or would the AEC do it on it’s own volition?

If something does happen within CAA Football and an AEC football forms I think it will be because CAA forced them out and they had no choice.

With that said, AEC football could look something like this:

Bryant
Rhode Island*
Maine
New Hampshire
Albany
Robert Morris*

Plus any orphaned MEAC schools they might want like Del St and Morgan St.

AEC football should happen.

If AEC football was going to happen, it would have already happened.

AEC football is not going to happen.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-17-2022 07:36 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  Howard is a good add. Adds DC. Prestigious school. I hope thats the last one. Let’s stop at 14. I preferred 12…. but I think adding the best HBCUs from CAA footprint is not the worst idea. I am hoping this would attract better media deal. No need for any further expansion. Now CAA can be divided nicely North/South divisions.

I highly doubt there will be a split for AQ. More likely it’s a safety cushion in case Delaware goes fbs… or another school goes to A10. And for split you don’t need a shell conference if I’m not mistaken. 7 or 8 members who have played for a while can split together similar to Catholic 7 from Old BE. Unless rules have changed.

The rules don't allow a split

The only way it is currently feasible is if the CAA can aquire the MEAC conference shell
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
MEAC needs to think outside the line and invite schools who are interested in D1 in their area who are not HBCU. UNC-Pembroke might be one to look at.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-17-2022 08:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MEAC needs to think outside the line and invite schools who are interested in D1 in their area who are not HBCU. UNC-Pembroke might be one to look at.

Easier said than done, given that the HBCU identity is central to its mission. It's comparable to asking the Ivy League to seek public schools for expansion (To be fair, one of the Ancient Eight is a public land grant school, but most don't realize it.)
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
I really like Howard as an add.

The CAA will be a consistent multi bid league, so having 15 schools doesn't really seem to matter to me.

I would make five pods of three for scheduling, play your pod and two other pods each year. You play every school over a two year period that way.

Howard/NC AT/Hampton

W&M/Richmond/Elon

Towson/Delaware/Nova

SB/Monmouth/Albany

URI/Maine/UNH

You lose out on some rivalries/regional matchups, but for a clunky number like 15, I feel like this actually works pretty well
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-17-2022 09:41 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 08:55 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  MEAC needs to think outside the line and invite schools who are interested in D1 in their area who are not HBCU. UNC-Pembroke might be one to look at.

Easier said than done, given that the HBCU identity is central to its mission. It's comparable to asking the Ivy League to seek public schools for expansion (To be fair, one of the Ancient Eight is a public land grant school, but most don't realize it.)

Cornell is land grant, but it's private. It receives government funding yet operates independent of the legislature. It's odd.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-17-2022 09:50 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I really like Howard as an add.

The CAA will be a consistent multi bid league, so having 15 schools doesn't really seem to matter to me.

I would make five pods of three for scheduling, play your pod and two other pods each year. You play every school over a two year period that way.

Howard/NC AT/Hampton

W&M/Richmond/Elon

Towson/Delaware/Nova

SB/Monmouth/Albany

URI/Maine/UNH

You lose out on some rivalries/regional matchups, but for a clunky number like 15, I feel like this actually works pretty well

That’s a nice set up that I think keeps the most people happy. In essence, everyone gets 2 protected rivals like in the Big Sky.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
If the MEAC drops to five in football the conference will be in trouble because they don’t sponsor any other men’s sports besides basketball. If you don’t have football, you need two team sports other than basketball. They are down to four in baseball, which Howard doesn’t sponsor.

A quick fix could be to get one of the Big South football teams to affiliate with them instead of the OVC.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
When A&T joined I saw this clip from their AD’s presentation to the executive board
[Image: CAADivisions.jpg?resize=1200%2C555&ssl=1]
Source :You can see the image here halfway down the article.

South had 5 and North had 7. With A&T and Howard, south is now 7 and done. CAA is not expanding to 16.
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(04-17-2022 09:50 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I really like Howard as an add.

The CAA will be a consistent multi bid league, so having 15 schools doesn't really seem to matter to me.

If you are discussing men's basketball if the CAA wasn't a multi-bid conference before the realignment its not going to be one now.
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(04-18-2022 12:07 AM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
(04-17-2022 09:50 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I really like Howard as an add.

The CAA will be a consistent multi bid league, so having 15 schools doesn't really seem to matter to me.

If you are discussing men's basketball if the CAA wasn't a multi-bid conference before the realignment its not going to be one now.

I’m pretty sure he was referencing to 15 schools CAA football which consistently gets multiple bids to FCS playoffs.
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(04-17-2022 11:21 PM)ibby10 Wrote:  When A&T joined I saw this clip from their AD’s presentation to the executive board
[Image: CAADivisions.jpg?resize=1200%2C555&ssl=1]
Source :You can see the image here halfway down the article.

South had 5 and North had 7. With A&T and Howard, south is now 7 and done. CAA is not expanding to 16.

Oops. Sorry to Albany, I guess.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
Next move Chicago St. to the MEAC just long enough to watch NCCU, Norfolk St. go to the Big South. ASUN could take S.Carolina St. or Big South takes them and Queens for 14.

Any chance Clark Atlanta would join the MEAC?

Delaware St. NEC invite or would the AEC take them for 10? Where does the MAAC stand w/ LeMoyne? Where does the NEC rank their options, LeMoyne, Bentley, Mercyhurst, Delaware St., Morgan St.?
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
I still think somebody’s rolling out of CAA. I can’t imagine this these adds going over well for literally everyone, CAA and CAAF.

I also wonder how Hampton would really feel about this. Wasn’t Howard part of the ringleaders in complaining about how Hampton left the conference and should pay an exit fee, and then had this group of MEAC schools back out on scheduling Hampton? Then again, given this CAA, that kind of petty nonsense will fit right in at a place that invalidates student athletes from programs leaving the conference.
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Maybe this over reach leads to W&M and Delaware bolting for the Patriot League and take Richmond and Villanova along as football affiliates. At this point, it could be preferable with two more weak additions.
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-17-2022 09:50 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  I really like Howard as an add.

The CAA will be a consistent multi bid league, so having 15 schools doesn't really seem to matter to me.

I would make five pods of three for scheduling, play your pod and two other pods each year. You play every school over a two year period that way.

Howard/NC AT/Hampton

W&M/Richmond/Elon

Towson/Delaware/Nova

SB/Monmouth/Albany

URI/Maine/UNH

You lose out on some rivalries/regional matchups, but for a clunky number like 15, I feel like this actually works pretty well

The biggest matchups you miss put on under this alignment are A&T vs. Elon and Hampton vs Richmond and W&M. They would be every other year instead of every year. But since they aren't happening now at all you aren't losing anything

Well done Denver
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RE: Howard to CAA in 23-24?
(04-17-2022 12:47 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Also, huge props to HBCU Gameday, who's now broke:
1) FAMU/BCU to SWAC
2) NC A&T to CAA
3) Howard to CAA

IIRC, some CAA fan on here said HBCU Gameday was just looking for clicks. In reality, HBCU Gameday has an established track record second to few.

Whoever said that was insane. HBCU Gameday is ran by HBCU grads who have worked both in athletics and in media at HBCUs. Their reporters and writers are all HBCU grads who are either former student athletes or administrators. They're locked in.
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