Who does this truly effect?

Fans? I can't see how. What fan goes to the conference HQ?

Athletic Administration from schools? Probably. But are they driving to Conference HQ now? Sure some are, but most are flying. What's the difference flying to Greensboro or Orlando?

I just can't see getting worked up over this.

If moving to Orlando helps us with ESPN, then that could be the difference maker. But I don't see that truly being a big deal either.
UNLESS ... ESPN is planning on relocating the bulk of their operations to a more tax-friendly state ... which I have seen rumored on UConn boards in the past. Then being in Orlando with the bulk of ESPN starts to make more sense.

But in the big picture this is a "ah, whatever" kinda thing.

I'd rather stay in Greensboro than move to Orlando. If those are the three finalists, then it's obviously Charlotte.

(04-16-2022 10:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I'd rather stay in Greensboro than move to Orlando. If those are the three finalists, then it's obviously Charlotte.

^^^ THIS, THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS! ^^^

(04-16-2022 11:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-16-2022 10:02 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I'd rather stay in Greensboro than move to Orlando. If those are the three finalists, then it's obviously Charlotte.

^^^ THIS, THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS! ^^^

Greensboro or Charlotte are fine.

(04-15-2022 04:46 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  Maybe I’m cynical, but this seems like classic corporate headquarters selection playbook…

Orlando seems like a long shot. It’s not centrally located. We don’t have their major Bowl bid. Relations with Disney/ESPN are not that great. Something could change, but it would take a real surprise.

Charlotte makes sense. The ACC has to emphasize football over basketball…and Charlotte hosts the CCG. The ACC has to provide better access to faraway schools…and Charlotte is a transportation hub.

Greensboro has the GOBN. They’ll count on tax breaks, arena enhancements, and the appeal of tradition.

Publicizing the current status is just a means of asking each finalist to sharpen their pencils. It’s time to get best offers.

Otown equidistant between ride or die ...

DO WHATCHA ALWAYS DONE GET WHATCHA ALWAYS GOT

(04-16-2022 10:00 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Who does this truly effect?

Fans? I can't see how. What fan goes to the conference HQ?

Athletic Administration from schools? Probably. But are they driving to Conference HQ now? Sure some are, but most are flying. What's the difference flying to Greensboro or Orlando?

I just can't see getting worked up over this.

If moving to Orlando helps us with ESPN, then that could be the difference maker. But I don't see that truly being a big deal either.
UNLESS ... ESPN is planning on relocating the bulk of their operations to a more tax-friendly state ... which I have seen rumored on UConn boards in the past. Then being in Orlando with the bulk of ESPN starts to make more sense.

But in the big picture this is a "ah, whatever" kinda thing.

Agreed. Personally I like Orlando, I’ve recently become quit fond of Florida. Orlando has a large airport so it is easily accessible from everywhere. Great beaches near by along with amazing attractions. Nothing against NC but I’ll take Florida.


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Given the future of College Sports, the only reason I can see for moving HQ facilities would be for predicted tax and legal concerns.

Any CSN legal scholars know which environment, Florida vs NC, would be a better preference for contract and other civil court liability disputes targeting the conference. Are we sure business friendly Delaware and North Dakota won't come out of left field.

As far as taxes, the ACC is probably operating as a non-profit at this time, but this could change as the business and revenue college sports conferences are further examined. Which state would provide a preferable tax environment.

I really don't see moving the ACC HQ to as Orlando as impressing ESPN/Disney to provide more money to the conference. I am in the camp that Disney is more interested in getting the league to dissolve itself toward end of GOR and inducing desired pieces to join it's SEC league.

(04-17-2022 09:33 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(04-16-2022 10:00 AM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  Who does this truly effect?

Fans? I can't see how. What fan goes to the conference HQ?

Athletic Administration from schools? Probably. But are they driving to Conference HQ now? Sure some are, but most are flying. What's the difference flying to Greensboro or Orlando?

I just can't see getting worked up over this.

If moving to Orlando helps us with ESPN, then that could be the difference maker. But I don't see that truly being a big deal either.
UNLESS ... ESPN is planning on relocating the bulk of their operations to a more tax-friendly state ... which I have seen rumored on UConn boards in the past. Then being in Orlando with the bulk of ESPN starts to make more sense.

But in the big picture this is a "ah, whatever" kinda thing.

Agreed. Personally I like Orlando, I’ve recently become quit fond of Florida. Orlando has a large airport so it is easily accessible from everywhere. Great beaches near by along with amazing attractions. Nothing against NC but I’ll take Florida.


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https://twitter.com/noturlibra/status/15...1101777920

no nfl ...
no nhl ...
no mlb ...
no nascar ...

EASE & AMENITY

(04-17-2022 09:55 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Given the future of College Sports, the only reason I can see for moving HQ facilities would be for predicted tax and legal concerns.

Any CSN legal scholars know which environment, Florida vs NC, would be a better preference for contract and other civil court liability disputes targeting the conference. Are we sure business friendly Delaware and North Dakota won't come out of left field.

As far as taxes, the ACC is probably operating as a non-profit at this time, but this could change as the business and revenue college sports conferences are further examined. Which state would provide a preferable tax environment.

I really don't see moving the ACC HQ to as Orlando as impressing ESPN/Disney to provide more money to the conference. I am in the camp that Disney is more interested in getting the league to dissolve itself toward end of GOR and inducing desired pieces to join it's SEC league.

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/14...0876880904

MUSICAL CHAIRS

(04-17-2022 10:55 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 09:55 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Given the future of College Sports, the only reason I can see for moving HQ facilities would be for predicted tax and legal concerns.

Any CSN legal scholars know which environment, Florida vs NC, would be a better preference for contract and other civil court liability disputes targeting the conference. Are we sure business friendly Delaware and North Dakota won't come out of left field.

As far as taxes, the ACC is probably operating as a non-profit at this time, but this could change as the business and revenue college sports conferences are further examined. Which state would provide a preferable tax environment.

I really don't see moving the ACC HQ to as Orlando as impressing ESPN/Disney to provide more money to the conference. I am in the camp that Disney is more interested in getting the league to dissolve itself toward end of GOR and inducing desired pieces to join it's SEC league.

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/14...0876880904

MUSICAL CHAIRS

Yeah I agree no PR person is ever going to flat out say they are going to damage an investment. Why are you trusting any business statements on Twitter.

How many times have businesses said we will continue investment just to change when it suits business. Why do we think Disney is any different.

(04-17-2022 11:06 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 10:55 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 09:55 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Given the future of College Sports, the only reason I can see for moving HQ facilities would be for predicted tax and legal concerns.

Any CSN legal scholars know which environment, Florida vs NC, would be a better preference for contract and other civil court liability disputes targeting the conference. Are we sure business friendly Delaware and North Dakota won't come out of left field.

As far as taxes, the ACC is probably operating as a non-profit at this time, but this could change as the business and revenue college sports conferences are further examined. Which state would provide a preferable tax environment.

I really don't see moving the ACC HQ to as Orlando as impressing ESPN/Disney to provide more money to the conference. I am in the camp that Disney is more interested in getting the league to dissolve itself toward end of GOR and inducing desired pieces to join it's SEC league.

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/14...0876880904

MUSICAL CHAIRS

Yeah I agree no PR person is ever going to flat out say they are going to damage an investment. Why are you trusting any business statements on Twitter.

How many times have businesses said we will continue investment just to change when it suits business. Why do we think Disney is any different.

b/c I delve in reality ...

TRUSTING NATURE

(04-17-2022 11:24 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:06 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 10:55 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 09:55 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Given the future of College Sports, the only reason I can see for moving HQ facilities would be for predicted tax and legal concerns.

Any CSN legal scholars know which environment, Florida vs NC, would be a better preference for contract and other civil court liability disputes targeting the conference. Are we sure business friendly Delaware and North Dakota won't come out of left field.

As far as taxes, the ACC is probably operating as a non-profit at this time, but this could change as the business and revenue college sports conferences are further examined. Which state would provide a preferable tax environment.

I really don't see moving the ACC HQ to as Orlando as impressing ESPN/Disney to provide more money to the conference. I am in the camp that Disney is more interested in getting the league to dissolve itself toward end of GOR and inducing desired pieces to join it's SEC league.

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/14...0876880904

MUSICAL CHAIRS

Yeah I agree no PR person is ever going to flat out say they are going to damage an investment. Why are you trusting any business statements on Twitter.

How many times have businesses said we will continue investment just to change when it suits business. Why do we think Disney is any different.

b/c I delve in reality ...

TRUSTING NATURE

Any Ex-jock who gets revenue from Twitter hits by talking to his made up invisible friend BigTenMan and has only been correct once, about a hockey addition, isn't what I would call reality. Corporate actions, for good or ill, are reality. Twitteratti speaking through an imaginary friend is just Howdy Doody time!

(04-17-2022 11:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:24 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:06 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 10:55 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 09:55 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Given the future of College Sports, the only reason I can see for moving HQ facilities would be for predicted tax and legal concerns.

Any CSN legal scholars know which environment, Florida vs NC, would be a better preference for contract and other civil court liability disputes targeting the conference. Are we sure business friendly Delaware and North Dakota won't come out of left field.

As far as taxes, the ACC is probably operating as a non-profit at this time, but this could change as the business and revenue college sports conferences are further examined. Which state would provide a preferable tax environment.

I really don't see moving the ACC HQ to as Orlando as impressing ESPN/Disney to provide more money to the conference. I am in the camp that Disney is more interested in getting the league to dissolve itself toward end of GOR and inducing desired pieces to join it's SEC league.

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/14...0876880904

MUSICAL CHAIRS

Yeah I agree no PR person is ever going to flat out say they are going to damage an investment. Why are you trusting any business statements on Twitter.

How many times have businesses said we will continue investment just to change when it suits business. Why do we think Disney is any different.

b/c I delve in reality ...

TRUSTING NATURE

Any Ex-jock who gets revenue from Twitter hits by talking to his made up invisible friend BigTenMan and has only been correct once, about a hockey addition, isn't what I would call reality. Corporate actions, for good or ill, are reality. Twitteratti speaking through an imaginary friend is just Howdy Doody time!

as opposed to make-believe realignment ...

FEED THE BEAST

(04-17-2022 11:46 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:24 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:06 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 10:55 AM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/flugempire/status/14...0876880904

MUSICAL CHAIRS

Yeah I agree no PR person is ever going to flat out say they are going to damage an investment. Why are you trusting any business statements on Twitter.

How many times have businesses said we will continue investment just to change when it suits business. Why do we think Disney is any different.

b/c I delve in reality ...

TRUSTING NATURE

Any Ex-jock who gets revenue from Twitter hits by talking to his made up invisible friend BigTenMan and has only been correct once, about a hockey addition, isn't what I would call reality. Corporate actions, for good or ill, are reality. Twitteratti speaking through an imaginary friend is just Howdy Doody time!

as opposed to make-believe realignment ...

FEED THE BEAST

Realignment is a fact of life. I believe I have stated numerous times these litttle ditties:

1. My original post here: Realignment is the hostile takeover of a sleepy disorganized cottage industry with a major upside by Corporate America. Everyone scoffed in 2012. They aren't scoffing now.

2. The SEC's original 6 targets in 1990 were Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, a silent partner of Texas (Oklahoma), Clemson, and Florida State. And here we are now with Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina instead of Clemson, and Missouri instead of FSU. 4.5 out of 6 is a pretty decent percentage.

3. A few years back I told you that Time, Economic Disparity and Pressure would bring about further consolidation, it has, is, and will continue to do so. It's not prognostication but rather the incremental advancement of a corporate business plan, and it is as "real" as it gets. It's all part of product placement to drive market interest and enhance the most recognizable brands. In other words Business 101. In the corporate mind a smaller, highly identifiable, and proven market brand playing another maximizes advertising profits and a smaller grouping shrinks overhead.

We won't jump there overnight but I do believe some large quick moves will come now that NIL is here, pay for play on the way, and the NCAA in the crosshairs of the Supreme Court. I think we wind up with 48 schools. I think we could move to a breakaway of 72 or less first as a transitional phase. But the 48 will be clear enough in the next few years which is soon in corporate time. The new B1G media rights deal along with the SEC's will be trigger enough to make it happen.

(04-17-2022 12:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:46 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:24 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:06 AM)AeroWolf Wrote:  Yeah I agree no PR person is ever going to flat out say they are going to damage an investment. Why are you trusting any business statements on Twitter.

How many times have businesses said we will continue investment just to change when it suits business. Why do we think Disney is any different.

b/c I delve in reality ...

TRUSTING NATURE

Any Ex-jock who gets revenue from Twitter hits by talking to his made up invisible friend BigTenMan and has only been correct once, about a hockey addition, isn't what I would call reality. Corporate actions, for good or ill, are reality. Twitteratti speaking through an imaginary friend is just Howdy Doody time!

as opposed to make-believe realignment ...

FEED THE BEAST

Realignment is a fact of life. I believe I have stated numerous times these litttle ditties:

1. My original post here: Realignment is the hostile takeover of a sleepy disorganized cottage industry with a major upside by Corporate America. Everyone scoffed in 2012. They aren't scoffing now.

2. The SEC's original 6 targets in 1990 were Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, a silent partner of Texas (Oklahoma), Clemson, and Florida State. And here we are now with Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina instead of Clemson, and Missouri instead of FSU. 4.5 out of 6 is a pretty decent percentage.

3. A few years back I told you that Time, Economic Disparity and Pressure would bring about further consolidation, it has, is, and will continue to do so. It's not prognostication but rather the incremental advancement of a corporate business plan, and it is as "real" as it gets. It's all part of product placement to drive market interest and enhance the most recognizable brands. In other words Business 101. In the corporate mind a smaller, highly identifiable, and proven market brand playing another maximizes advertising profits and a smaller grouping shrinks overhead.

We won't jump there overnight but I do believe some large quick moves will come now that NIL is here, pay for play on the way, and the NCAA in the crosshairs of the Supreme Court. I think we wind up with 48 schools. I think we could move to a breakaway of 72 or less first as a transitional phase. But the 48 will be clear enough in the next few years which is soon in corporate time. The new B1G media rights deal along with the SEC's will be trigger enough to make it happen.

https://twitter.com/ClemsonCameron/statu...6621628416

a prolific writer ...
I’ll give you that ...
tl;dr (too long didn’t read)
countless hours devoted ...
various scenarios suggested ...
never coming to fruition ...
dead end ...

WHAT’S IT’S ALL ABOUT ALFIE

(04-17-2022 12:56 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 12:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:46 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:24 AM)green Wrote:  b/c I delve in reality ...

TRUSTING NATURE

Any Ex-jock who gets revenue from Twitter hits by talking to his made up invisible friend BigTenMan and has only been correct once, about a hockey addition, isn't what I would call reality. Corporate actions, for good or ill, are reality. Twitteratti speaking through an imaginary friend is just Howdy Doody time!

as opposed to make-believe realignment ...

FEED THE BEAST

Realignment is a fact of life. I believe I have stated numerous times these litttle ditties:

1. My original post here: Realignment is the hostile takeover of a sleepy disorganized cottage industry with a major upside by Corporate America. Everyone scoffed in 2012. They aren't scoffing now.

2. The SEC's original 6 targets in 1990 were Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, a silent partner of Texas (Oklahoma), Clemson, and Florida State. And here we are now with Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina instead of Clemson, and Missouri instead of FSU. 4.5 out of 6 is a pretty decent percentage.

3. A few years back I told you that Time, Economic Disparity and Pressure would bring about further consolidation, it has, is, and will continue to do so. It's not prognostication but rather the incremental advancement of a corporate business plan, and it is as "real" as it gets. It's all part of product placement to drive market interest and enhance the most recognizable brands. In other words Business 101. In the corporate mind a smaller, highly identifiable, and proven market brand playing another maximizes advertising profits and a smaller grouping shrinks overhead.

We won't jump there overnight but I do believe some large quick moves will come now that NIL is here, pay for play on the way, and the NCAA in the crosshairs of the Supreme Court. I think we wind up with 48 schools. I think we could move to a breakaway of 72 or less first as a transitional phase. But the 48 will be clear enough in the next few years which is soon in corporate time. The new B1G media rights deal along with the SEC's will be trigger enough to make it happen.

https://twitter.com/ClemsonCameron/statu...6621628416

a prolific writer ...
I’ll give you that ...
tl;dr (too long didn’t read)
countless hours devoted ...
various scenarios suggested ...
never coming to fruition ...
dead end ...

WHAT’S IT’S ALL ABOUT ALFIE

And it's all a gloss filled with inaccuracies. And I know. Backing twitter with twitter. How circular. I knew Schiller and Kramer, and had family present. Believe what you will, but what happened and what was reported are two different worlds and then what people conjecture over what was reported is a new depth of dung altogether.

As to scenarios suggested, that merely draws traffic and drives posts. SOP. I've consistently said Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M. I never said Missouri. And now that the West is done we'll wait. The New ACC has always been ESPN's creation. They'll unmake it if they wish.

Quote:Roy Kramer, commissioner of the expansion- minded Southeastern Conference, visited the University of Miami campus Tuesday to explore the possibility of inviting the Hurricanes to join the league.

Kramer met for about an hour and a half with university President Edward T. Foote, Athletic Director Sam Jankovich, university administrators and athletic staff members.

'This is part of a long-term investigation by the University of Miami,' Foote said. 'Roy called last Friday to set up the meeting. We had a wide-ranging discussion of the ramifications of joining the Southeastern Conference.' ...

'We wouldn't be here if we weren't serious,' Kramer said.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/09/18/...653630400/

SPEAK YOUR LANGUAGE

The last time this conference catered towards the Florida schools it didn’t work out and we ended up in Charlotte. Let’s stay in Greensboro or cut to the chase and move to the Queen City.

(04-17-2022 01:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 12:56 PM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 12:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:46 AM)green Wrote:  

(04-17-2022 11:32 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Any Ex-jock who gets revenue from Twitter hits by talking to his made up invisible friend BigTenMan and has only been correct once, about a hockey addition, isn't what I would call reality. Corporate actions, for good or ill, are reality. Twitteratti speaking through an imaginary friend is just Howdy Doody time!

as opposed to make-believe realignment ...

FEED THE BEAST

Realignment is a fact of life. I believe I have stated numerous times these litttle ditties:

1. My original post here: Realignment is the hostile takeover of a sleepy disorganized cottage industry with a major upside by Corporate America. Everyone scoffed in 2012. They aren't scoffing now.

2. The SEC's original 6 targets in 1990 were Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, a silent partner of Texas (Oklahoma), Clemson, and Florida State. And here we are now with Arkansas, Texas A&M, Texas, Oklahoma, South Carolina instead of Clemson, and Missouri instead of FSU. 4.5 out of 6 is a pretty decent percentage.

3. A few years back I told you that Time, Economic Disparity and Pressure would bring about further consolidation, it has, is, and will continue to do so. It's not prognostication but rather the incremental advancement of a corporate business plan, and it is as "real" as it gets. It's all part of product placement to drive market interest and enhance the most recognizable brands. In other words Business 101. In the corporate mind a smaller, highly identifiable, and proven market brand playing another maximizes advertising profits and a smaller grouping shrinks overhead.

We won't jump there overnight but I do believe some large quick moves will come now that NIL is here, pay for play on the way, and the NCAA in the crosshairs of the Supreme Court. I think we wind up with 48 schools. I think we could move to a breakaway of 72 or less first as a transitional phase. But the 48 will be clear enough in the next few years which is soon in corporate time. The new B1G media rights deal along with the SEC's will be trigger enough to make it happen.

https://twitter.com/ClemsonCameron/statu...6621628416

a prolific writer ...
I’ll give you that ...
tl;dr (too long didn’t read)
countless hours devoted ...
various scenarios suggested ...
never coming to fruition ...
dead end ...

WHAT’S IT’S ALL ABOUT ALFIE

And it's all a gloss filled with inaccuracies. And I know. Backing twitter with twitter. How circular. I knew Schiller and Kramer, and had family present. Believe what you will, but what happened and what was reported are two different worlds and then what people conjecture over what was reported is a new depth of dung altogether.

As to scenarios suggested, that merely draws traffic and drives posts. SOP. I've consistently said Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M. I never said Missouri. And now that the West is done we'll wait. The New ACC has always been ESPN's creation. They'll unmake it if they wish.

I know what you’ve said, and that’s great, but you plug FSU in the SEC East and Miami in the West in 1990 and the SEC would have been PLENTY happy.

(04-17-2022 04:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  The last time this conference catered towards the Florida schools it didn’t work out and we ended up in Charlotte. Let’s stay in Greensboro or cut to the chase and move to the Queen City.

https://twitter.com/ByTimReynolds/status...4527710216

BUSINESS AS USUAL